Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Hi Austin, Yeah… see convo on private. Was planning on community VOTE next week. Or you can initiate. Joshua Poore > On Oct 25, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Austin Bennett > wrote: > > Looks like community consensus is for graduation. > > Is next step a formal vote? Or, something else? > > I am happy to check with incubator, etc on working through steps, in the > event nobody else wants to drive this. > > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:35 AM Rob Foley wrote: >> >> I'm also in favor of graduation. >> >> Rob >> >>> On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote: >>> +1 >>> >>> Graduation a great step, I am in favor. >>> >>> I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and >> contributors >>> ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help >> that - >>> as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson >> wrote: >>> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor. - Gedd On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore wrote: > Hi All, > > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level >> project. > > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020. > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z < > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z> > > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been >> in > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. >> Flagon > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated. > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can > improve. However, the following is true: > > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the > years > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: > >> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > < > >> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out) > > The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. > > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31 > OCT 2022. > > Best, > > Josh >>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Looks like community consensus is for graduation. Is next step a formal vote? Or, something else? I am happy to check with incubator, etc on working through steps, in the event nobody else wants to drive this. On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:35 AM Rob Foley wrote: > I'm also in favor of graduation. > > Rob > > On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote: > > +1 > > > > Graduation a great step, I am in favor. > > > > I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and > contributors > > ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help > that - > > as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson > wrote: > > > >> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor. > >> - Gedd > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities > >>> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level > project. > >>> > >>> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in > >> 2020. > >>> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we > >>> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on > >>> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread: > >>> > >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z < > >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z> > >>> > >>> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been > in > >>> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. > Flagon > >>> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have > >> graduated. > >>> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community > >> can > >>> improve. However, the following is true: > >>> > >>> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation > >>> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation > >>> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the > >>> years > >>> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: > >>> > >> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > >>> < > >>> > >> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > >>> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on > >>> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out) > >>> > >>> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the > >>> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to > >>> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. > >>> > >>> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the > >> 31 > >>> OCT 2022. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Josh >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
+1 Graduation a great step, I am in favor. I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and contributors ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help that - as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism. On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson wrote: > This is great to hear! Strongly in favor. > - Gedd > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities > > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project. > > > > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in > 2020. > > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we > > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on > > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread: > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z < > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z> > > > > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in > > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon > > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have > graduated. > > > > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community > can > > improve. However, the following is true: > > > > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation > > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation > > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the > > years > > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: > > > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > < > > > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > > > > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on > > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out) > > > > The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the > > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to > > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. > > > > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the > 31 > > OCT 2022. > > > > Best, > > > > Josh >
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
This is great to hear! Strongly in favor. - Gedd On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore wrote: > Hi All, > > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project. > > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020. > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z < > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z> > > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated. > > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can > improve. However, the following is true: > > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the > years > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > < > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out) > > The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. > > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31 > OCT 2022. > > Best, > > Josh
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Hi Josh, In short… yes. I firmly Believe the project should graduate. Please carry my +1 through to a VOTE thread. Thanks lewismc On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 20:42 Joshua Poore wrote: > Hi All, > > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project. > > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020. > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z > > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated. > > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can > improve. However, the following is true: > > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the > years > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out) > > The project and the community, like software, are never done. *So the > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. * > > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31 > OCT 2022. > > Best, > > Josh > -- http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/ http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
