Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Apr 15, 2016 5:17 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Are you asking Alex to reveal what he discussed internally?
>
> Up to him. For change like this I like to see someone from Adobe Legal
send to the dev or private list requesting the changes to be made. That way
we have a clear email trail. I’m guessing that probably won’t happen. Meh /
whatever.

Still don't get your point.   What difference does it make if Alex posts it
or someone from Adobe legal team posts?

>
> > The way I see it, it was Alex with his Adobe hat on making this post on
the
> > Apache Flex dev list.  It doesn't get more transparent that that.
>
> There should be no Adobe hats on this list at all. Companies are not
members of Apache communities, individuals are. [1][2]

You asked Adobe legal to post on this list.  How do you square that with
this?

Thanks,
Om

>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#corporate-membership <
http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#corporate-membership>
> 2. http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#hats <
http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#hats>
>
>

Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Are you asking Alex to reveal what he discussed internally? 

Up to him. For change like this I like to see someone from Adobe Legal send to 
the dev or private list requesting the changes to be made. That way we have a 
clear email trail. I’m guessing that probably won’t happen. Meh / whatever.

> The way I see it, it was Alex with his Adobe hat on making this post on the
> Apache Flex dev list.  It doesn't get more transparent that that.

There should be no Adobe hats on this list at all. Companies are not members of 
Apache communities, individuals are. [1][2]

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://apache.org/foundation/faq.html#corporate-membership 

2. http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#hats 

Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Are you asking Alex to reveal what he discussed internally?  I don't think
that is quite right.

The way I see it, it was Alex with his Adobe hat on making this post on the
Apache Flex dev list.  It doesn't get more transparent that that.

Thanks,
Om

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Why is it odd?  He is an Adobe employee.  He has made a public request
> on the dev list.
>
> It’s unclear what the changes will be or even why they need to be made.
> Remember if it’s not on the list it didn’t happen. The PMC and perhaps
> Apache legal may also have something to say about this.
>
> As this conversation around this has happened off list and there's no
> record of it. There's no way we can look back on to see what was decided or
> what the proposed changes are. Although I’ll guess we’ll see some of that
> when the commits happen.
>
> I don’t think this is any way a big deal but let err on the side of being
> a little more open and transparent please.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>

Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Why is it odd?  He is an Adobe employee.  He has made a public request on the 
> dev list.

It’s unclear what the changes will be or even why they need to be made. 
Remember if it’s not on the list it didn’t happen. The PMC and perhaps Apache 
legal may also have something to say about this.

As this conversation around this has happened off list and there's no record of 
it. There's no way we can look back on to see what was decided or what the 
proposed changes are. Although I’ll guess we’ll see some of that when the 
commits happen.

I don’t think this is any way a big deal but let err on the side of being a 
little more open and transparent please.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > It turns out that the new people in place at Adobe want us to make
> changes to the text used in the
> > Installer and other scripts that ask the user to accept Adobe licenses
>
> Can you give a bit more information on what changes they have requested?
> (on @private if needed) It seems a little odd to me me that they have1
> asked you to make the changes rather than involve the Flex PMC this.
>

Why is it odd?  He is an Adobe employee.  He has made a public request on
the dev list.
What exactly is the problem here?

Thanks,
Om


>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [Maven][Installer][Flex][FlexJS] Legal Stuff

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> It turns out that the new people in place at Adobe want us to make changes to 
> the text used in the
> Installer and other scripts that ask the user to accept Adobe licenses

Can you give a bit more information on what changes they have requested? (on 
@private if needed) It seems a little odd to me me that they have1 asked you to 
make the changes rather than involve the Flex PMC this.

Thanks,
Justin