Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Community doesn't include Flex support, you need the Ultimate, see [1] for feature comparison. Ultimate edition comes with 30-days free trial, see [2]. [1] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html [2] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html 2013/2/12 Jagan Langa Sami Durai jaga...@sybrant.com I thought to try the IDEA for my flex development, after seeing a lot of discussions in this group and in linkedlin about the comparison between IDEA and FB. I'm using FB for past 5 years (From FB3 to FB4.7). I really don't know where to start in IDEA. I downloaded the community version and installed it. after that I don't see any options to create a flex project. or options to add a plugin to support flex project. My Doubts are, 1. Can I create flex project in community version..? 2. Is there a trial version available for flex development ? 3. When compared to the cost of the FB4.7 and IDEA seems equal. How do you guys(IDEA team) believe that you can attract the developers and most importantly the Management peoples or the clients who is familiar (almost addicted) with FB? 4. I don't see any dedicated page/product for IDEA for Flex in the IDEA product page, do i really missed that page in their products page..? On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Charles Monteiro char...@nycsmalltalk.orgwrote: that was certainly the case for me, the only thing that FB has over IDEA in my opinion is the Designer and that's gone. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Hi, I'm the author of that blog post. Marketing guys asked me not to give numbers, but I hope they do not read this mailing list :). So I can say that IntelliJ IDEA has several thousand of active ActionScript/Flex developers who agreed to send anonymous usage statistics to JetBrains and they run/debug Flash apps hundreds of thousands times a month. Unfortunately we do not know percentage of IntelliJ IDEA users who agree to send anonymous statistics. If it is 10% then we have tens of thousands of Flash developers, if it is 1% - there are hundreds of thousands of them (which I doubt :) ). So, assuming that this percentage is constant, we can only analyze trends. Just checked statistics for January 2013 - there's incredible 35% growth compared to December 2012! According to the feedback my personal opinion is that most of new users are not technology newbies, but they are looking for an alternative IDE. -- Alexander Doroshko IntelliJ IDEA Flash Team Lead http://www.jetbrains.com Develop with pleasure! On 09.01.2013 22:06, Omar Gonzalez wrote: It's nice to see it on the uprise, but there's no numbers. They could be talking 10-20 users per month or thousands. Not to be a negative nancy but I wonder what the actual numbers are. -omar On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: They are seeing the use of Flash/Flex actually go up since the beginning of last year... http://blogs.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-**doing/ http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-doing/ It might be a fact that people are dumping FB, or it might be a sign that the community is getting stronger... Either way, I'm glad that we are actually registering on their map ;) Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads? -Nick -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road -- * Regards, S. Jagan Langa* *|* *Team Lead* *Sybrant Technologies Pvt Ltd* * * ‘Shriram The Gateway (SEZ)’, Block A1, 3rd Floor, 16 GST Road, Perungalathur, Chennai - 600 063, India India | USA | Germany | China Mobile: +91 98430 50897 Skype: seesamjagan
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Reply Inline: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jagan Langa Sami Durai jaga...@sybrant.com wrote: I thought to try the IDEA for my flex development, after seeing a lot of discussions in this group and in linkedlin about the comparison between IDEA and FB. I'm using FB for past 5 years (From FB3 to FB4.7). I really don't know where to start in IDEA. I downloaded the community version and installed it. after that I don't see any options to create a flex project. or options to add a plugin to support flex project. My Doubts are, 1. Can I create flex project in community version..? No. Their plugin requires the IDEA Ultimate version. 2. Is there a trial version available for flex development ? A 30 day trial is available. The trial is the fully capable version, time limited at 30 days. 3. When compared to the cost of the FB4.7 and IDEA seems equal. How do you guys(IDEA team) believe that you can attract the developers and most importantly the Management peoples or the clients who is familiar (almost addicted) with FB? Use it for 30 days and see if you can stand to run FB again. I can't. The only reason why I was going back to FB for a while was for the design view (sometimes it is easier to lay things out on the the screen instead of count pixels before you do the coding). Since DV is dead and gone, there was no reason to keep FB around other than to test things for the SDK. 4. I don't see any dedicated page/product for IDEA for Flex in the IDEA product page, do i really missed that page in their products page..? They support hundreds of languages and plugins. Flex isn't as popular as it was, but it is VERY well supported. Because the structure is close to Java and others, they are able to do some really nice parsing on your code which makes it 20 steps ahead of the other guys. Oh, and its not based on Eclipse... So there's that too. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Charles Monteiro char...@nycsmalltalk.orgwrote: that was certainly the case for me, the only thing that FB has over IDEA in my opinion is the Designer and that's gone. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Hi, I'm the author of that blog post. Marketing guys asked me not to give numbers, but I hope they do not read this mailing list :). So I can say that IntelliJ IDEA has several thousand of active ActionScript/Flex developers who agreed to send anonymous usage statistics to JetBrains and they run/debug Flash apps hundreds of thousands times a month. Unfortunately we do not know percentage of IntelliJ IDEA users who agree to send anonymous statistics. If it is 10% then we have tens of thousands of Flash developers, if it is 1% - there are hundreds of thousands of them (which I doubt :) ). So, assuming that this percentage is constant, we can only analyze trends. Just checked statistics for January 2013 - there's incredible 35% growth compared to December 2012! According to the feedback my personal opinion is that most of new users are not technology newbies, but they are looking for an alternative IDE. -- Alexander Doroshko IntelliJ IDEA Flash Team Lead http://www.jetbrains.com Develop with pleasure! On 09.01.2013 22:06, Omar Gonzalez wrote: It's nice to see it on the uprise, but there's no numbers. They could be talking 10-20 users per month or thousands. Not to be a negative nancy but I wonder what the actual numbers are. -omar On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: They are seeing the use of Flash/Flex actually go up since the beginning of last year... http://blogs.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-**doing/ http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-doing/ It might be a fact that people are dumping FB, or it might be a sign that the community is getting stronger... Either way, I'm glad that we are actually registering on their map ;) Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads? -Nick -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road -- * Regards, S. Jagan Langa* *|* *Team Lead* *Sybrant Technologies Pvt Ltd* * * ‘Shriram The Gateway (SEZ)’, Block A1, 3rd Floor, 16 GST Road, Perungalathur, Chennai - 600 063, India India | USA | Germany | China Mobile: +91 98430 50897 Skype:
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 Some documentation resources: - Feature overview [4] - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines | ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5] - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features') - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8] - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module. Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly. -- Alexander Doroshko IntelliJ IDEA Flash Team Lead http://www.jetbrains.com Develop with pleasure! [1] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html [2] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html [3] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/index.jsp [4] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/flex_ide.html [5] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/actionscript-flex-and-air.html [6] http://tv.jetbrains.net/tags/john-lindquist [7] http://wiki.jetbrains.net/intellij/Developing,_running_and_packaging_AIR_mobile_applications_for_Android [8] http://wiki.jetbrains.net/intellij/Working_with_Flexmojos_projects_in_IntelliJ_IDEA [9] http://devnet.jetbrains.net/community/idea/ideacommunity [10] http://youtrack.jetbrains.net On 12.02.2013 16:32, Jagan Langa Sami Durai wrote: I thought to try the IDEA for my flex development, after seeing a lot of discussions in this group and in linkedlin about the comparison between IDEA and FB. I'm using FB for past 5 years (From FB3 to FB4.7). I really don't know where to start in IDEA. I downloaded the community version and installed it. after that I don't see any options to create a flex project. or options to add a plugin to support flex project. My Doubts are, 1. Can I create flex project in community version..? 2. Is there a trial version available for flex development ? 3. When compared to the cost of the FB4.7 and IDEA seems equal. How do you guys(IDEA team) believe that you can attract the developers and most importantly the Management peoples or the clients who is familiar (almost addicted) with FB? 4. I don't see any dedicated page/product for IDEA for Flex in the IDEA product page, do i really missed that page in their products page..?
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
That info could tip me over to IDEA - was thinking i needed commercial license but looks like personal is ok for me On 12/02/2013 13:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote: Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 Some documentation resources: - Feature overview [4] - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines | ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5] - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features') - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8] - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module. Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly. -- Lee Burrows ActionScripter
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Hi Alexander, Very good set of links, is there a page somewhere where those informations are listed, if it's the case I would like to add it to my favorites. Thanks, -Fred -Message d'origine- From: Alexander Doroshko Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:19 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains Sorry, forgot one more important link. Developers familiar with Eclipse and Eclipse-based products should first of all take a look at the page 'IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse Terminology' [1] and keep a link to 'Basic Concepts' [2]. [1] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-eclipse-terminology.html [2] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/basic-concepts.html On 12.02.2013 17:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote: Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 Some documentation resources: - Feature overview [4] - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines | ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5] - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features') - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8] - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module. Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly.
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
A blog post would be great, I was about to make one myself. brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: I'm afraid there's not. Looks like I need to make a blog post summarizing info for IntelliJ IDEA newcomers. On 12.02.2013 19:12, Frédéric THOMAS wrote: Hi Alexander, Very good set of links, is there a page somewhere where those informations are listed, if it's the case I would like to add it to my favorites. Thanks, -Fred -Message d'origine- From: Alexander Doroshko Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:19 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains Sorry, forgot one more important link. Developers familiar with Eclipse and Eclipse-based products should first of all take a look at the page 'IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse Terminology' [1] and keep a link to 'Basic Concepts' [2]. [1] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-** eclipse-terminology.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-eclipse-terminology.html [2] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/basic-concepts.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/basic-concepts.html On 12.02.2013 17:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote: Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 Some documentation resources: - Feature overview [4] - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines | ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5] - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features') - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8] - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module. Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly.
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I'd love to host this information on either our Wiki or website too. -Nick On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Two blog posts would definitely be better than one :) On 12.02.2013 19:37, Avi Kessner wrote: A blog post would be great, I was about to make one myself.
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Well, bad formatting aside, (it's been a while since I blogged) I put up a blog post which can be seen here: http://inspiredflash.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/finally-some-tools-to-go-from.html If anyone would like me to alter any of the post, or found I didn't properly credit someone, please let me know. brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: I'm afraid there's not. Looks like I need to make a blog post summarizing info for IntelliJ IDEA newcomers. On 12.02.2013 19:12, Frédéric THOMAS wrote: Hi Alexander, Very good set of links, is there a page somewhere where those informations are listed, if it's the case I would like to add it to my favorites. Thanks, -Fred -Message d'origine- From: Alexander Doroshko Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:19 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains Sorry, forgot one more important link. Developers familiar with Eclipse and Eclipse-based products should first of all take a look at the page 'IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse Terminology' [1] and keep a link to 'Basic Concepts' [2]. [1] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-** eclipse-terminology.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-eclipse-terminology.html [2] http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/basic-concepts.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/basic-concepts.html On 12.02.2013 17:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote: Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 Some documentation resources: - Feature overview [4] - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines | ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5] - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features') - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8] - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module. Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly.
[OT] Aligning commercial interests with Apache Flex (was) RE: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Hi, - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition only [1] - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period. - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can apply for a free license [3] - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699 -- Alexander Doroshko IntelliJ IDEA Flash Team Lead IMO, this high volume list is not the best way to approach developers with offers for a new IDE. There are several ways I can think of that would help this project while also aligning with your commercial interests / offers, though. I think Apache Flex needs evangelism. I would suggest contacting each Apache Flex UGM listed here [1] and offer to send or have one of your JetBrains evangelists present training on the use of your IDE to each of the Apache Flex User groups globally. I am the UGM for RIA5280 I would love to host your presenter. The topic is up to you - but consider just explaining to my developers how to use your IDE with Apache Flex 4.9. Many involved in the project would like to be able to show commercial applications (reference customers) who used the Apache Flex 4.9 SDK to develop their applications. We would like to show applications built with AF4.9 here [2]. IMO, there is no harm if your team helped create these case studies which promote that the application was built using the JetBrains IDE ItelliJ, too. We know we also lack documentation that shows very small code snippets and examples of how each feature / command in the SDK is used. This type of full featured toolkit documentation / training would really help new developers and technologists to feel comfortable starting a new project in Apache Flex. If you have an interest, this is also a way for your team to take screen clips while coding using the IntelliJ IDE and describe how each part of the SDK is used. Here is a recent message on this topic [3]. Again, this reference documentation could showcase the IntelliJ IDE and also help complete examples for each part of the ASDOCS documentation. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/FLEX/user-groups.html [2] http://flex.apache.org/ [3] http://markmail.org/thread/ttstwwnhrgkzjehd
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Feel free to ping me for any kind of assistance and for pushing your favorite bugs/features that you want to be fixed/implemented. Alexander On 08.02.2013 16:13, Avi Kessner wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
Thanks for your support. I'm one of those who use it every day and in all honesty, since I've started using it about a year ago, there are very few bugs or issues I run across that I'd even be willing to report :) Your team has been extremely responsive to getting those issues fixed and making the features work well. -Nick On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Feel free to ping me for any kind of assistance and for pushing your favorite bugs/features that you want to be fixed/implemented. Alexander On 08.02.2013 16:13, Avi Kessner wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE
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@Avi It took me about a week to get my productiveness back to the level it was when I used FB. After that it only kept going up :) Incidentally, one of the many advantages of IntelliJ is the help you can get from people like Alexander (as he just proved). As an example, I just recently filed this bug: http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-100427. Alexander found me a On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Feel free to ping me for any kind of assistance and for pushing your favorite bugs/features that you want to be fixed/implemented. Alexander On 08.02.2013 16:13, Avi Kessner wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE
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a workaround in a matter of minutes. (sorry, hit the send button while typing the previous mail) Max On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Maxime Cowez maxime.co...@gmail.com wrote: @Avi It took me about a week to get my productiveness back to the level it was when I used FB. After that it only kept going up :) Incidentally, one of the many advantages of IntelliJ is the help you can get from people like Alexander (as he just proved). As an example, I just recently filed this bug: http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-100427. Alexander found me a On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Feel free to ping me for any kind of assistance and for pushing your favorite bugs/features that you want to be fixed/implemented. Alexander On 08.02.2013 16:13, Avi Kessner wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE
Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains
that was certainly the case for me, the only thing that FB has over IDEA in my opinion is the Designer and that's gone. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: I can say that I keep wanting to try the jetbrains IDE but haven't found the time to wrap my head around the different workflow. From everything I hear, once you get used to it, it's a superior IDE brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Alexander Doroshko alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote: Hi, I'm the author of that blog post. Marketing guys asked me not to give numbers, but I hope they do not read this mailing list :). So I can say that IntelliJ IDEA has several thousand of active ActionScript/Flex developers who agreed to send anonymous usage statistics to JetBrains and they run/debug Flash apps hundreds of thousands times a month. Unfortunately we do not know percentage of IntelliJ IDEA users who agree to send anonymous statistics. If it is 10% then we have tens of thousands of Flash developers, if it is 1% - there are hundreds of thousands of them (which I doubt :) ). So, assuming that this percentage is constant, we can only analyze trends. Just checked statistics for January 2013 - there's incredible 35% growth compared to December 2012! According to the feedback my personal opinion is that most of new users are not technology newbies, but they are looking for an alternative IDE. -- Alexander Doroshko IntelliJ IDEA Flash Team Lead http://www.jetbrains.com Develop with pleasure! On 09.01.2013 22:06, Omar Gonzalez wrote: It's nice to see it on the uprise, but there's no numbers. They could be talking 10-20 users per month or thousands. Not to be a negative nancy but I wonder what the actual numbers are. -omar On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: They are seeing the use of Flash/Flex actually go up since the beginning of last year... http://blogs.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-**doing/ http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-doing/ It might be a fact that people are dumping FB, or it might be a sign that the community is getting stronger... Either way, I'm glad that we are actually registering on their map ;) Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads? -Nick -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road
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Great new! thanks to share Nicholas :) 2013/1/9 Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as They are seeing the use of Flash/Flex actually go up since the beginning of last year... http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-doing/ It might be a fact that people are dumping FB, or it might be a sign that the community is getting stronger... Either way, I'm glad that we are actually registering on their map ;) Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads? -Nick -- Carlos Rovira Director de Tecnología M: +34 607 22 60 05 F: +34 912 94 80 80 http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es http://www.avant2.es
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21% for Maven is awesome! Can't wait for 100% ;) On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.aswrote: They are seeing the use of Flash/Flex actually go up since the beginning of last year... http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/01/how-is-flash-doing/ It might be a fact that people are dumping FB, or it might be a sign that the community is getting stronger... Either way, I'm glad that we are actually registering on their map ;) Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads? -Nick -- Best regards, Sergey Egorov
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On 1/9/13 5:12 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: True -- but we do tunnel all of our downloads through the mirror.cgi, which then refers to the mirrors. It wouldn't be complete (some people may download directly from the mirrors), but it would be a fun stat to see how we are doing as a community. Last time I asked, I think the answer was that Apache does not track any stats on page hits. Since we generally run a cgi for the downloads, how hard would it be to add one of those page hit counters to it? -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
