Re: Self-organized meet-ups / workshops at Apache Con 2005

2005-05-18 Thread Ferdinand Soethe

David Crossley wrote:

 Has anyone asked for a Birds-of-a-Feather session?
 I am not sure if non-registrants are allowed there, but maybe.
 Whatever, it would be a good chance for an extra meeting.

I'm not familiar with them. What are they for and who would you ask
about having one and inviting non-registrants.

--
Ferdinand Soethe



Re: About unknow libraries within lib/core

2005-05-18 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
David Crossley wrote:
 
 
 How do we know that users are not taking advantage of those
 jars for other purposes?
 
Well, we do not know that, I guess that testing. We only can claim
support for funcionality that is documented. And xsp is not documented
as feature in our documentation, so I think that it should not been there.

We had a discussion about including libraries, and I was the one that
support adding them on forrest, so people could use them out of the box.
 But now I see that from the other point of view.  For the standard
distribution, you need only those libraries that are neede, if you want
to custom forrest for other purposed, then cp
$COCOON_HOME/lib/optional/castor*.jar $FORREST_HOME/lib/core is not a
bit problem ¿right?

 I notice that you moved Chaperon jar too. It too can
 be used for far more than the wiki capabilities.

I know, but within forrest we are only using for wiki, if someone want
it for more, it can be copy that library back.


Sorry for the noise, I am trying to tidy up where our libraries come
from, so upgrade from cocoon is easier..

Cheers,
cheche


Re: Self-organized meet-ups / workshops at Apache Con 2005

2005-05-18 Thread Ferdinand Soethe

Thanks for explaining the fluffy things :-)

David Crossley wrote:

 I don't know who to ask about either question.
 Start at http://www.apachecon.com/html/contact.html

well I'm still wayting for a response to questions that I asked in
March, but I'll give it another try.

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Ferdinand Soethe



BOF for Forrest

2005-05-18 Thread Ferdinand Soethe

Hi,

what is the procedure to apply for a room for additional and BOF
meeting at ApacheCon. We'd like to have a BOF on Forrest and possibly
one other meeting.

Is it possible for non-registrants to participate
in these?

--
Ferdinand Soethe



Apache mail problem (Was Re: Self-organized meet-ups / workshops at Apache Con 2005)

2005-05-18 Thread Ferdinand Soethe

Thorsten Scherler wrote:

 @all I think apache mail suffers from a worm called sober. The next
 attack is expected to happen in 10 days (around 26/27 May). It is once
 again a windows only thing. More information (in German) can be found
 http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,356236,00.html.

If Thorsten is correct about this (is he?), it is about time to start thinking
about solutions. Don't know about you (except for Nicola Ken who only
reads mail once a day :-) but I'm not too happy about these delays and
the perspective for this to happen a couple of times each month.

--
Ferdinand Soethe



Re: Self-organized meet-ups / workshops at Apache Con 2005

2005-05-18 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 10:54 +0200, Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
 
 
 
 Thorsten Scherler wrote:
 
  More or less. ;-) If I should explain a wee bit the plugin basics I used
  for the view package then I guess +1 hour would be fine.
 
 Better make it two then (You'll need one hour just to answer all my stupid
 beginners questions :-))
 

You mean in total 4 hours? 

...then I guess everybody will bring his laptop to the workshop? ;-)

...and if Ross can come to the workshop he can help talking about the
plugins as well. ;-)


salu2
-- 
thorsten

Together we stand, divided we fall! 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)



Re: Raw and process content directories

2005-05-18 Thread David Crossley
Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
 Maybe this has gotten lost in all the mail delays. Can anybody pls
 comment so that I can close FOR-470.
 
 Thanks,
 Ferdinand Soethe
 
 I wrote:
 
  Just to make sure I have this right before I rewrite any more
  documentation:
 
  In /docs/upgrading_07.html#raw I found:
 
  In 0.6 version, the raw content was placed in the
  src/documentation/content/ directory and potential sub-directories.
  In the generated site, these links would automatically function. Any
  linked file with .html extension was not processed and not adorned
  with Forrest skin and navigation menus.
 
  In 0.7 version, any file that is linked to, needs to be placed in
  the content/xdocs/ directory structure. Any linked file with .html
  extension is now processed and is adorned with Forrest skin and
  navigation menus.
 
  If you need to include files that are not linked to, then place them
  in the src/documentation/content/ directories as with the 0.6
  version.
 
  So does
 
   any file that is linked to, needs to be placed in
the content/xdocs/
 
  really mean that I will get an error if I place
  a file that is linked to in the content-directory.

Try it.

  Or does it mean can now be placed in either xdocs or content
  directory at my disgression depending on wether I want processing to
  happen or not.

  If you need to link to html files but want them to be un-processed,
  then place them in the src/documentation/content/ directories and
  add an entry to conf/cli.xconf to exclude them from processing. An
  FAQ describes the use of Cocoon's cli.xconf
 
  This last para seems to confirm the first version because otherwise I
  could just place the file into content rather than writing an
  exclusion rule.
 
  Thanks for making that clear.

What FOR-470 is really about is needing someone to revise
the self-documenting samples in the seed site. That would
soon find out which methods work. Then clarify the upgrading_07
doc.

Sorry, if i am going to try and explain it then i would rather
go and do the job myself, because, like you i do not fully
understand the ramifications of changing the behaviour from
0.6 version. The only way is to go and fix the seed site.

--David


Re: Raw and process content directories

2005-05-18 Thread Ferdinand Soethe

David Crossley wrote:

 Sorry, if i am going to try and explain it then i would rather
 go and do the job myself, because, like you i do not fully
 understand the ramifications of changing the behaviour from
 0.6 version. The only way is to go and fix the seed site.

OK, I didn't realize that nobody really knows, so I figured rather then
testing against an unknown standard I'd rather ask.

Will try and see what I get.

--
Ferdinand Soethe



Re: About unknow libraries within lib/core

2005-05-18 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
Ross Gardler wrote:
 Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
 For the standard
 distribution, you need only those libraries that are neede, if you want
 to custom forrest for other purposed, then cp
 $COCOON_HOME/lib/optional/castor*.jar $FORREST_HOME/lib/core is not a
 bit problem ¿right?
 
 
 I'm -1 on that method of extension, we should allow projects to have a
 lib directory. Extension jars go in there under the users control.

That was just an example. customatize per-installation or per project is
up to the sysadmin on that box... The point is that both are allow

Cheers,
Cheche



[JIRA] Commented: (FOR-500) ensure that all supporting libraries have a corresponding license

2005-05-18 Thread issues
The following comment has been added to this issue:

 Author: Juan Jose Pablos
Created: Wed, 18 May 2005 5:41 PM
   Body:
I have added a few, but I am not able to find these ones:
commons-jci-r159148.jar
excalibur-pool-api-2.0.0.jar
excalibur-pool-impl-2.0.0.jar
excalibur-pool-instrumented-2.0.0.jar

and I am not sure about this:
oreilly.codepolicy.txt
oreilly.permission.txt
w3c-dtd-license.txt
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Key: FOR-500
Summary: ensure that all supporting libraries have a corresponding license
   Type: Task

 Status: Unassigned
   Priority: Blocker

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Core operations
   Fix Fors:
 0.7-dev
   Versions:
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: David Crossley

Created: Tue, 17 May 2005 7:25 PM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 5:41 PM

Description:
Some old libraries and some of the recently updated libraries do not have an 
updated license file.


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[JIRA] Commented: (FOR-336) Table alignment problem with pelt and IE

2005-05-18 Thread issues
The following comment has been added to this issue:

 Author: Addison Berry
Created: Wed, 18 May 2005 7:37 PM
   Body:
It looks like it has to do with the table being 100% (#content table in 
basics.css).  I switched it to 99% to see and that eleiminates the problem of 
dropping it below the menu, but then, of course the table is only 99%.  I'm 
sure it is IE being stupid and I'm sure there is a fix out there.  I'll see if 
I can track down the IE hack to correct this.

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Key: FOR-336
Summary: Table alignment problem with pelt and IE
   Type: Bug

 Status: Unassigned
   Priority: Minor

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Skins (general issues)
   Versions:
 0.6
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: Stefano Mancarella

Created: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 8:51 AM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 7:37 PM
Environment: Forrest 0.6
Internet Explorer 6.0

Description:
There's a strange (css?) problem using tables with the pelt skin and viewing 
the result in IE.
If a page contains a table, the table itself always starts below the menu in IE.
So if the table is among the first elements of the page and the menu is long, 
the result is a blank space before the table itself.
To reproduce the problem do a forrest seed, add a table to index.xml (just 
below the body tag) and see the result in IE.

The problem doesn't show up in browsers of the Mozilla family, so maybe it's 
due to a bug in IE.

Tested with both 0.6 and trunk.


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[JIRA] Updated: (FOR-336) Table alignment problem with pelt and IE

2005-05-18 Thread issues
The following issue has been updated:

Updater: Addison Berry (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
   Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 7:40 PM
Comment:
This is a page with the table set to 99%.
Changes:
 Attachment changed to screenshot-ie99.jpg
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Key: FOR-336
Summary: Table alignment problem with pelt and IE
   Type: Bug

 Status: Unassigned
   Priority: Minor

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Skins (general issues)
   Versions:
 0.6
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: Stefano Mancarella

Created: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 8:51 AM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 7:40 PM
Environment: Forrest 0.6
Internet Explorer 6.0

Description:
There's a strange (css?) problem using tables with the pelt skin and viewing 
the result in IE.
If a page contains a table, the table itself always starts below the menu in IE.
So if the table is among the first elements of the page and the menu is long, 
the result is a blank space before the table itself.
To reproduce the problem do a forrest seed, add a table to index.xml (just 
below the body tag) and see the result in IE.

The problem doesn't show up in browsers of the Mozilla family, so maybe it's 
due to a bug in IE.

Tested with both 0.6 and trunk.


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[JIRA] Commented: (FOR-500) ensure that all supporting libraries have a corresponding license

2005-05-18 Thread issues
The following comment has been added to this issue:

 Author: David Crossley
Created: Wed, 18 May 2005 8:21 PM
   Body:
The orielly.* and W3C DTD ones are okay as is (see the mail archives).

Found the excalibur pool license at archive.apache.org

Found the commons-jci at Jakarta Commons in sandbox.
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Key: FOR-500
Summary: ensure that all supporting libraries have a corresponding license
   Type: Task

 Status: Unassigned
   Priority: Blocker

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Core operations
   Fix Fors:
 0.7-dev
   Versions:
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: David Crossley

Created: Tue, 17 May 2005 7:25 PM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 8:21 PM

Description:
Some old libraries and some of the recently updated libraries do not have an 
updated license file.


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[JIRA] Commented: (FOR-336) Table alignment problem with pelt and IE

2005-05-18 Thread issues
The following comment has been added to this issue:

 Author: Addison Berry
Created: Wed, 18 May 2005 9:24 PM
   Body:
Ok, this is simpler and hides from Moz properly.

#content table {
  border: 0;
  width: 100%;
}
/*Hack to get IE to render the table at 100%*/
* html #content table { margin-left: -3px; }

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Key: FOR-336
Summary: Table alignment problem with pelt and IE
   Type: Bug

 Status: Unassigned
   Priority: Minor

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Skins (general issues)
   Versions:
 0.6
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: Stefano Mancarella

Created: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 8:51 AM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 9:24 PM
Environment: Forrest 0.6
Internet Explorer 6.0

Description:
There's a strange (css?) problem using tables with the pelt skin and viewing 
the result in IE.
If a page contains a table, the table itself always starts below the menu in IE.
So if the table is among the first elements of the page and the menu is long, 
the result is a blank space before the table itself.
To reproduce the problem do a forrest seed, add a table to index.xml (just 
below the body tag) and see the result in IE.

The problem doesn't show up in browsers of the Mozilla family, so maybe it's 
due to a bug in IE.

Tested with both 0.6 and trunk.


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Chaperon jar is required by core (Was: svn commit: r170628)

2005-05-18 Thread David Crossley
The chaperon jar is required by the core, so i have moved it back.
Please, please move one jar and test, next jar, test.

Can anyone see why Chaperon is required in the core?
Here is output from doing 'forrest run' without Chaperon.
Doing 'forrest' is okay no errors.

--
12:49:39.622 WARN!! Error for /index.html
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
net/sourceforge/chaperon/process/LexicalProcessor
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:539)
at 
java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:123)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:251)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:55)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:194)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:187)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:289)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:274)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:235)
at org.mortbay.http.ContextLoader.loadClass(ContextLoader.java:207)
at org.mortbay.http.ContextLoader.loadClass(ContextLoader.java:171)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.ComponentEnvironment.loadClass(ComponentEnvironment.java:59)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.AbstractComponentHandler.getComponentHandler(AbstractComponentHandler.java:73)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.getComponentHandler(CoreServiceManager.java:585)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.addComponent(CoreServiceManager.java:474)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.container.CocoonServiceManager.addComponent(CocoonServiceManager.java:58)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.DefaultServiceSelector.configure(DefaultServiceSelector.java:121)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.sitemap.ComponentsSelector.configure(ComponentsSelector.java:121)
at 
org.apache.avalon.framework.container.ContainerUtil.configure(ContainerUtil.java:240)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.DefaultServiceSelector$Factory.setupInstance(DefaultServiceSelector.java:212)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.ComponentFactory.newInstance(ComponentFactory.java:109)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.ThreadSafeComponentHandler.doInitialize(ThreadSafeComponentHandler.java:52)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.AbstractComponentHandler.initialize(AbstractComponentHandler.java:265)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.AbstractComponentHandler.getComponentHandler(AbstractComponentHandler.java:121)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.getComponentHandler(CoreServiceManager.java:585)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.addComponent(CoreServiceManager.java:474)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.container.CocoonServiceManager.addComponent(CocoonServiceManager.java:58)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.parseConfiguration(CoreServiceManager.java:637)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.core.container.CoreServiceManager.configure(CoreServiceManager.java:175)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.sitemap.SitemapLanguage.createServiceManager(SitemapLanguage.java:80)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.DefaultTreeBuilder.build(DefaultTreeBuilder.java:328)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.TreeProcessor.buildConcreteProcessor(TreeProcessor.java:401)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.TreeProcessor.setupConcreteProcessor(TreeProcessor.java:348)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.components.treeprocessor.TreeProcessor.process(TreeProcessor.java:247)
at org.apache.cocoon.Cocoon.process(Cocoon.java:503)
at 
org.apache.cocoon.servlet.CocoonServlet.service(CocoonServlet.java:1097)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at 
org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle(ServletHolder.java:354)
at 
org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.WebApplicationHandler.dispatch(WebApplicationHandler.java:294)
at 
org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.handle(ServletHandler.java:567)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpContext.handle(HttpContext.java:1808)
at 
org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.WebApplicationContext.handle(WebApplicationContext.java:525)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpContext.handle(HttpContext.java:1758)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpServer.service(HttpServer.java:879)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpConnection.service(HttpConnection.java:790)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpConnection.handleNext(HttpConnection.java:952)
at org.mortbay.http.HttpConnection.handle(HttpConnection.java:807)
at 

[JIRA] Closed: (FOR-336) Table alignment problem with pelt and IE

2005-05-18 Thread issues
Message:

   The following issue has been closed.

   Resolver: David Crossley
   Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:06 PM

Addison, thanks for your contribution. Your tweak is now added to the trunk 
(i.e. 0.7-dev).
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Key: FOR-336
Summary: Table alignment problem with pelt and IE
   Type: Bug

 Status: Closed
   Priority: Minor
 Resolution: FIXED

Project: Forrest
 Components: 
 Skins (general issues)
   Fix Fors:
 0.7-dev
   Versions:
 0.6
 0.7-dev

   Assignee: 
   Reporter: Stefano Mancarella

Created: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 8:51 AM
Updated: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:06 PM
Environment: Forrest 0.6
Internet Explorer 6.0

Description:
There's a strange (css?) problem using tables with the pelt skin and viewing 
the result in IE.
If a page contains a table, the table itself always starts below the menu in IE.
So if the table is among the first elements of the page and the menu is long, 
the result is a blank space before the table itself.
To reproduce the problem do a forrest seed, add a table to index.xml (just 
below the body tag) and see the result in IE.

The problem doesn't show up in browsers of the Mozilla family, so maybe it's 
due to a bug in IE.

Tested with both 0.6 and trunk.


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