Re: [DISCUSS] graduation

2016-07-29 Thread Daniel Dekany 
BTW, a thing why being stuck in the incubator is a problem is that we
have to include "-incubating" in the version, and I don't know how
many percentage of the users will use such a release. Many do imply
that it's some kind of beta release, so for them 2.3.23 is the last
release. (Certainly most won't read the disclaimer or the release
notes. On search.maven.org they see that 2.3.23 is the last without
funny suffix, and that's it.)


Friday, July 29, 2016, 4:50:10 PM, jean-frederic clere wrote:

> On 07/26/2016 07:32 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> Basically, if the Apache officers look at the project and see that I'm
>> the only one who lifts any substantial weight here, they certainly
>> won't let the project graduate. If the project can't graduate for very
>> long, it will be terminated (called "retirement"). Well, I guess as
>> far as the project produces releases, it can hand around in the
>> incubator for quite while, but not forever...
>
>
> Very long can be very long, I think until the project it active and the
> mentors are there it can go on... There is clutch since 2010, so no
> worries here.
>
> But the goal is to graduate, so yes everyone is welcome to help, let's grow!
>
> Cheers
>
> Jean-Frederic
>

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Re: Freemarker OSGI MANIFEST.MF

2016-07-29 Thread Daniel Dekany 
Friday, July 29, 2016, 5:06:49 PM, Christoph Rüger wrote:

> I just asked a friend who is a Eclipse contributor and very familiar with
> OSGI practises.
> Here is a rough translation of his anwer:
>
> *bndtools takes the "generate Manifest" approach. *
> *Eclipse on the other hand takes "Manifest first" approach. *
> *You cannot mix the two, because Eclipse needs the manifest file, bndtools
> doesn't. *

Maintaining the OSGi manifest manually sounds quite impractical to me
though, so it's only half of the story. The other half is certainly
BundlerEclipse, though it won't be good for us anyway.

> *One possible way could be to do the following in Eclipse:*
> *Maybe create a separate ant-target which you add to the builders in
> eclipse. This ant target could copy the generated MANIFEST.MF file into the
> Eclipse Workspace project under META-INF/MANIFEST.MF instead of putting it
> only in the jar file. *

Sure, that's a possibility. Even right now, you expected to run `ant
ide-dependencies`. That could be generalized to `ide-preparations` or
somethingm which call ide-dependnecies and then also calls bnd to
generates the metainf somewhere where Eclipse finds it but the Ant
build ignores it. And then of course it has to be added to the
gitignore.

> I will try to investigate how I can modify the bnd ant-target so that the
> MANIFEST.MF file is generated but not only in the JAR but also as a
> separate file so that I do the copying.

The important thing is that it must not affect the jar that Ant
builds. That is, the metainfest generated by the Ant build must win.

> If you have ideas or tips, let me know.
>
>
> 2016-07-28 20:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Dekany :
>
>> Ah, I see... and I don't know the answer. I have never developed
>> FreeMarker itself while trying to depend on it via OSGi inside the
>> IDE. Generating the OSGi manifest from a "template" (in this case with
>> bnd) is quite normal though. Quick googling reveals that
>> BundlorEclipse supports such a thing, but it works by regenerating the
>> existing MAINFEST.MF (so it's not compatible with out current build),
>> and also it uses Bundlor not Bnd.
>>
>>
>> Thursday, July 28, 2016, 10:06:35 AM, Christoph Rüger wrote:
>>
>> > I expected the MANIFEST.MF as part of the freemarker source-code
>> > which I have cloned/branched from github before.
>> >
>> > I realize I should get familiar with bnd / bndtools. I noticed the
>> > .bnd file which creates the MANIFEST.MF file during the build.
>> >
>> > I need to find out how I can use bndtools in eclipse so that I have
>> > a proper OSGI-Bundle at development time.
>> > Because I need the META-INF/MANIFEST.MF in Eclipse at development
>> > time so that other bundles in the same Eclipse Project recognize my
>> Freemarker Workspace project.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2016-07-28 8:54 GMT+02:00 Daniel Dekany :
>> > The OSGi container should automatically use the MANIFEST.MF in the
>> > jar. That's why it's there. Or how do you do this with other 3rd party
>> > OSGi-ready jar-s?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thursday, July 28, 2016, 12:08:42 AM, Christoph Rüger wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I just started trying to be a Freemarker contributor for the first time
>> >> today
>> >> I got Eclipse setup and running I could work on a first idea regarding
>> >> error handling. Not much, just some debugging, making a change, see if
>> it
>> >> compiles and has an effect. All fine so far.
>> >>
>> >> In the freemarker.jar (2.3.25) from maven central there is a
>> >> META-INF/MANIFEST.MF with all the required OSGI Bundle headers. Seems
>> that
>> >> this gets generated by bndtools. As I am not familiar with bndtools yet
>> I
>> >> just hard-copied that folder (META-INF/MANIFEST.MF) manually into my
>> >> Eclipse freemarker project, so that our other OSGI bundles can see and
>> >> import this bundle as a dependency.
>> >> This works fine.
>> >>
>> >> *My question(s): *
>> >> 1. What would be a better way instead of copying the MANIFEST.MF from
>> the
>> >> .jar file.
>> >> 2. Anybody using freemarker in an OSGI context and also working with
>> >> freemarker source?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Christoph
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks,
>> >  Daniel Dekany
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>
>
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Re: Freemarker OSGI MANIFEST.MF

2016-07-29 Thread Christoph Rüger 
I just asked a friend who is a Eclipse contributor and very familiar with
OSGI practises.
Here is a rough translation of his anwer:

*bndtools takes the "generate Manifest" approach. *
*Eclipse on the other hand takes "Manifest first" approach. *
*You cannot mix the two, because Eclipse needs the manifest file, bndtools
doesn't. *

*One possible way could be to do the following in Eclipse:*
*Maybe create a separate ant-target which you add to the builders in
eclipse. This ant target could copy the generated MANIFEST.MF file into the
Eclipse Workspace project under META-INF/MANIFEST.MF instead of putting it
only in the jar file. *

I will try to investigate how I can modify the bnd ant-target so that the
MANIFEST.MF file is generated but not only in the JAR but also as a
separate file so that I do the copying.
If you have ideas or tips, let me know.


2016-07-28 20:34 GMT+02:00 Daniel Dekany :

> Ah, I see... and I don't know the answer. I have never developed
> FreeMarker itself while trying to depend on it via OSGi inside the
> IDE. Generating the OSGi manifest from a "template" (in this case with
> bnd) is quite normal though. Quick googling reveals that
> BundlorEclipse supports such a thing, but it works by regenerating the
> existing MAINFEST.MF (so it's not compatible with out current build),
> and also it uses Bundlor not Bnd.
>
>
> Thursday, July 28, 2016, 10:06:35 AM, Christoph Rüger wrote:
>
> > I expected the MANIFEST.MF as part of the freemarker source-code
> > which I have cloned/branched from github before.
> >
> > I realize I should get familiar with bnd / bndtools. I noticed the
> > .bnd file which creates the MANIFEST.MF file during the build.
> >
> > I need to find out how I can use bndtools in eclipse so that I have
> > a proper OSGI-Bundle at development time.
> > Because I need the META-INF/MANIFEST.MF in Eclipse at development
> > time so that other bundles in the same Eclipse Project recognize my
> Freemarker Workspace project.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-07-28 8:54 GMT+02:00 Daniel Dekany :
> > The OSGi container should automatically use the MANIFEST.MF in the
> > jar. That's why it's there. Or how do you do this with other 3rd party
> > OSGi-ready jar-s?
> >
> >
> > Thursday, July 28, 2016, 12:08:42 AM, Christoph Rüger wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I just started trying to be a Freemarker contributor for the first time
> >> today
> >> I got Eclipse setup and running I could work on a first idea regarding
> >> error handling. Not much, just some debugging, making a change, see if
> it
> >> compiles and has an effect. All fine so far.
> >>
> >> In the freemarker.jar (2.3.25) from maven central there is a
> >> META-INF/MANIFEST.MF with all the required OSGI Bundle headers. Seems
> that
> >> this gets generated by bndtools. As I am not familiar with bndtools yet
> I
> >> just hard-copied that folder (META-INF/MANIFEST.MF) manually into my
> >> Eclipse freemarker project, so that our other OSGI bundles can see and
> >> import this bundle as a dependency.
> >> This works fine.
> >>
> >> *My question(s): *
> >> 1. What would be a better way instead of copying the MANIFEST.MF from
> the
> >> .jar file.
> >> 2. Anybody using freemarker in an OSGI context and also working with
> >> freemarker source?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Christoph
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >  Daniel Dekany
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>


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