Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
I'll be the dissenting opinion :) Personally, I don't like INFO as its too verbose and it is not consistent across projects. If we moved it I would prefer WARN rather than INFO but it largely depends on who we feel the largest user population is.. I'm more concerned about people's impression of G from a performance perspective. Although, I'll concede that production and performance related deployments are probably in the minority relative to the number of developers. I would think changing this would make most sense for 2.1 rather in the 2.0.x stream but it probably won't make a big difference. So, my net, is I like it where it is but won't blow a gasket on changing it. On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near- term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
I agree that we should change it from ERROR to INFO. I think any change in log4j is on the fly, i.e. you can change it any time and you don't have to restart the server to pick up the change. Lin Prasad Kashyap wrote: I don't mind if INFO is the default log level. It would be nice if we can also change it 1. during Geronimo startup. 2. during runtime. Possible ? Cheers Prasad On 9/11/07, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
[DISCUSS] Default server log level
The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near- term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Right now users can add -v or -vv to the command line to control the logging level. How would this proposal affect those command line flags? Best wishes, Paul
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? I agree with your proposal for a default of INFO and your assertion about our target users and what they most likely want. I also personally prefer to have too much info rather than too little ... so I'm all in favor of the change. Joe
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
I don't mind if INFO is the default log level. It would be nice if we can also change it 1. during Geronimo startup. 2. during runtime. Possible ? Cheers Prasad On 9/11/07, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
Are you refering to console output or what is captured in the log file? --jason -Original Message- From: Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:27:20 To:Geronimo Dev dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Default server log level The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Paul McMahan wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near- term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Right now users can add -v or -vv to the command line to control the logging level. How would this proposal affect those command line flags? -v and -vv only impact CONSOLE logging, not log FILE logging. That could be changed, I guess... IMO, a threshold setting of ERROR for CONSOLE is good. I'd prefer to see the FILE threshold set to INFO. --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Jason Dillon wrote: Are you refering to console output or what is captured in the log file? Heh. Come on, read my mind... :-P I'm referring to the log FILE. I'm fine with our current CONSOLE behavior... --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Jason Dillon wrote: Are you refering to console output or what is captured in the log file? Heh. Come on, read my mind... :-P Um, ya... :-P I'm referring to the log FILE. I'm fine with our current CONSOLE behavior... Aighty, thats what I figured, but just wanted to be clear. I think changing the file appender to INFO is perfectly fine and reasonable... desirable even. --jason
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
I agree, that changing the file logging level to INFO is more usable for the majority of our users. -Donald Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [DISCUSS] Default server log level
I very much favor and endorse changing the file logging level to INFO. Ted Kirby On 9/11/07, Donald Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, that changing the file logging level to INFO is more usable for the majority of our users. -Donald Kevan Miller wrote: The intent of this thread is to discuss the default log level for the Geronimo server. I'd like to limit the discussion to the near-term (e.g. Geronimo 2.0.x). IMO, we need a good overhaul of our logging code. I'd like to see more structure and consistency in our logging. However, that's not a 2.0.x issue. The current default log level for a Geronimo 2.0.1 server is ERROR. IMO, this is too restrictive. I think we should set the default to INFO. This will make our server logging more verbose. However, I'd rather have too much information, rather than too little. I think our default target audience should be application developers and new users evaluating Geronimo. Currently, these users are forced to configure log levels to INFO, so that they can obtain necessary information for building and deploying applications on Geronimo. This information should be available by default, not requiring configuration... Users who want to limit the logging output can reconfigure the default logging levels, once they are more comfortable with Geronimo. Comments? --kevan
