Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

[Masatake Iwasaki]

>   - HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>   - Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step 
up and

>   propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.

+1 to retire.

As Billie pointed out, htrace does not need active and growing community
since it is a library providing minimal functionality.
If we need to revive the development for users, I'm happy to work on it.

If HTrace become subproject of any other project, I'm happy to be on board.

Masatake


On 3/13/18 13:27, lewis john mcgibbney wrote:

Hi Folks,
The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.

The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.

[4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
Sean Busbey
Jake Farrell
Mike Drob
Michael Stack

[0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)

I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
following taking place

- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and
propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.

I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of the
above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.

Lewis

[0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:


Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis

===

HTrace

HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.

HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.

Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1. -
   2. -
   3. -

Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?

The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.

How has the community developed since the last report?

It has not.

How has the project developed since the last report?

It has not.

How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.

   [X] Initial setup
   [X] Working towards first release
   [X] Community building
   [ ] Nearing graduation
   [X] Other: No actiity.

Date of last release:

   2016-03-04

When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?

   2016-10-03

Signed-off-by:

   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
  Comments:
   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack

--
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

[Billie Rinaldi]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
> this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
> list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
> It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
> ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
>
> The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
>
> [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> Sean Busbey
> Jake Farrell
> Mike Drob
> Michael Stack
>
> [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
>
> I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
> is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> following taking place
>
>- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and
>propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
>
> I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of the
> above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace


I noticed Mike Drob had not been added to the roster, so I added him. This
used to require a pull request to infra, but since we've waited so long it
is now just a few clicks in whimsy.


>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> prevalent
> > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > Lewis
> >
> > ===
> >
> > HTrace
> >
> > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > written in java.
> >
> > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> >
> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> >
> >   1. -
> >   2. -
> >   3. -
> >
> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > aware of?
> >
> > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> >
> > How has the community developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How has the project developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> >
> >   [X] Initial setup
> >   [X] Working towards first release
> >   [X] Community building
> >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> >
> > Date of last release:
> >
> >   2016-03-04
> >
> > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> >
> >   2016-10-03
> >
> > Signed-off-by:
> >
> >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> >  Comments:
> >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> not
> >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> the
> > podling.
> >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> >
> > --
> > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

[Billie Rinaldi]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Christopher  wrote:

> If this vote (or a decision from IPMC) successfully retires the project,
> does it go to the attic? Or is that only for retired TLPs? If not, where
> does it go?
>

>From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html: "Retiring a
podling is analogous to moving a top-level Apache project to the Attic, but
podlings receive a lower level of ongoing support — for example, podling
websites are deleted outright rather than munged to indicate retired
status."


>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:27 AM lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> > would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> > clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> > According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> > VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> > not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging.
> At
> > this stage I think that we should most likely consult the
> general@incubator
> > list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
> > It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> > this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for
> HTrace's
> > ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
> >
> > The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
> >
> > [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > Sean Busbey
> > Jake Farrell
> > Mike Drob
> > Michael Stack
> >
> > [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> >
> > I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that
> this
> > is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> > subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> > sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> > following taking place
> >
> >- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
> >- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up
> and
> >propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
> >
> > I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of
> the
> > above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> > [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > prevalent
> > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > > Lewis
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > HTrace
> > >
> > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > > written in java.
> > >
> > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > >
> > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> > >
> > >   1. -
> > >   2. -
> > >   3. -
> > >
> > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > aware of?
> > >
> > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> like
> > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > >
> > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > >
> > >   [X] Initial setup
> > >   [X] Working towards first release
> > >   [X] Community building
> > >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> > >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> > >
> > > Date of last release:
> > >
> > >   2016-03-04
> > >
> > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > >
> > >   2016-10-03
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by:
> > >
> > >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> > not
> > >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> > the
> > > podling.
> > >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > >