Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Jorge Schrauwen]

Well I'm on vacation so thats why I don't reply much.

But i do agree that it does more than just just HTTP.

this will be even more true if mod_ftp gets out of incubator.

So I'm not really for the HTTP in de name.

On 8/10/06, Colm MacCarthaigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
> joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?

Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
somehow.

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Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Roy T. Fielding]

On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:


Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus.  Please vote  
for what
you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create  
from
the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/ 
httpd/

repository (vote for one);

This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't  
asking you to

choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.

 httpdfielding (implicit)
 Apache httpd
 Apache httpd Server
 Apache HTTP Server   wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime
 Apache   niq (implicit)


Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like  
joining the fray

when Roy and Will go at it?

In any case, although I don't disagree with niq that almost  
everyone knows this
as 'Apache', that isn't/cannot be our product name, and I think  
just about all
here would agree.  The clever Apache Web Server was interesting,  
but in the
archives that was considered/eliminated on several occasions in the  
past.


I think it would have been more effective to place a list of product
names in STATUS and let people vote for the ones they like, dislike,
or don't care.  That way we wouldn't be limited to the list you gave.

I've been too busy this month to care -- I came back from vacation to
find that our entire office needs to move down the street within the
next three weeks and the new office needs power, phones, network wires,
and all that other stuff designed and installed before move-in.

Roy

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Colm MacCarthaigh]

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
> joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?

Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
somehow.

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Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Ruediger Pluem]

On 08/10/2006 09:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> 
>>Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus.  Please vote for what
>>you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
>>the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
>>repository (vote for one);
>>
>>This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking you to
>>choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
>>


>> Apache HTTP Server   wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime

+1

Regards

Rüdiger

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[William A. Rowe, Jr.]

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> 
> Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus.  Please vote for what
> you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
> the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
> repository (vote for one);
> 
> This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking you to
> choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
>
>  httpdfielding (implicit)
>  Apache httpd
>  Apache httpd Server
>  Apache HTTP Server   wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime
>  Apache   niq (implicit)

Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like joining the fray
when Roy and Will go at it?

In any case, although I don't disagree with niq that almost everyone knows this
as 'Apache', that isn't/cannot be our product name, and I think just about all
here would agree.  The clever Apache Web Server was interesting, but in the
archives that was considered/eliminated on several occasions in the past.

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Jorge Schrauwen]

 [ ]  httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd Server
 [ ]  Apache HTTP Server
 [X]  Other: Apache Server


I went for Apache Server,
As of now it can do more than just http requests.

Look at the mod_ftpd for examle (not the one in incubator!!)

So Apache Server seems good to me... and this also takes into account
any futare protocal from core seperation.


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Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Maxime Petazzoni]

Hi,

As most of the things I had to say on this topic have been said
already, let's just vote :

>  [ ]  httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd Server
>  [X]  Apache HTTP Server
>  [ ]  Other: 

Regards,
- Maxime

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Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Steffen]

Apache HTTP Server

I assume that the D stands  for Deamon, and that is a specific term used in 
the *nix world. In eg. Windows Apache is named an Service or Application.


Steffen

ps.
But still I opt for Apache Web Server, it is all what it does.


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From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Subject: Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions



William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:


 [ ]  httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd Server
 [X]  Apache HTTP Server
 [ ]  Other: 

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Jean-frederic Clere]

Steffen wrote:


I opt for:  Apache Web Server


No: Tomcat is also an Apache web server (via its DefaultServlet).

Cheers

Jean-Frederric



Apache is more then only based on the HTTP protocol/specification , 
other official protocols/specifcations are used by Apache , eg. TLS, zlib


Steffen

- Original Message - From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 21:54
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:



 [ ]  httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd Server
 [X]  Apache HTTP Server
 [ ]  Other: 

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Nick Kew]

On Saturday 29 July 2006 21:28, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Steffen wrote:
> > I opt for:  Apache Web Server
>
> The vote thread asks for feedback on -shipping- versions, that is,
> the names we use today.

The only word we have today that qualifies as a name is Apache.
Adding stop words to that will make no difference to the world at large.

Steffen's suggestion is one of many that's in widespread use,
and is a good description.

> This could be one of the suggestions on the 
> -other- thread discussing what the 'next version' will be called.

No, it doesn't introduce a new name that anyone will use.

-- 
Nick Kew

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[William A. Rowe, Jr.]

Steffen wrote:
> I opt for:  Apache Web Server

The vote thread asks for feedback on -shipping- versions, that is,
the names we use today.  This could be one of the suggestions on the
-other- thread discussing what the 'next version' will be called.

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Steffen]

I opt for:  Apache Web Server

Apache is more then only based on the HTTP protocol/specification , other 
official protocols/specifcations are used by Apache , eg. TLS, zlib


Steffen

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From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 21:54
Subject: Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions



William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:


 [ ]  httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd Server
 [X]  Apache HTTP Server
 [ ]  Other: 

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Sander Temme]

On Jul 29, 2006, at 11:54 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:


 [ ]  httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd
 [ ]  Apache httpd Server
 [X]  Apache HTTP Server
 [ ]  Other: 


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Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[William A. Rowe, Jr.]

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> 
>  [ ]  httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd Server
>  [X]  Apache HTTP Server
>  [ ]  Other: 

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[André Malo]

* William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> >> I tried to yesterday, but it is nigh impossible without a single
> >> unique word to search for.  Maybe we should just hold another vote.
> >
> > It's hellish to search for, yes.  The topic is raised every once in a
> > while and nobody stops to say "Wait, we create the 'httpd' program
> > guys!"  So I'd totally disagree with you that it's not consensus.  But
> > I'll agree it has changed over the years by lazy consensus.
>
> Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus.  Please vote for what
> you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
> the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
> repository (vote for one);

A new thread would have been nice...

>  [ ]  httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd Server
>  [ ]  Apache HTTP Server
^X
>  [ ]  Other: 
>
> This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking
> you to choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.

nd
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# André Malo,  #

Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions

[Guy Hulbert]

I don't think I'm eligible to vote but I would point out that in the
third name the 'd' in 'httpd' is redundant if you append 'Server'.

On Sat, 2006-29-07 at 13:54 -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>  [ ]  httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd
>  [ ]  Apache httpd Server
>  [ ]  Apache HTTP Server
>  [ ]  Other: 

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