[l10n-dev] Re: Any News on OOo Pootle?

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Bauer

Mathias,

While that's nice, that mostly misses the point of imacat's and my 
earlier question.


Let me put it this way, neither imacat nor me are interested in the 
politics of what may or may not be going on. All we want to know is when 
Pootle is coming back (if), or if any more systems are expected to go down.


If the outlook is not good, then how are people who were working on 
Pootle going to get a hold of the translation work done so far?


Whatever the argument or problem, it's not fair to take that out on the 
volunteer translators who just want to ensure their locales have an 
office suite.


Michael

31/05/2011 08:43, sgrìobh Mathias Bauer:

Hi,

On 31.05.2011 02:39, imacat wrote:

Dear all,

 It seems OOo Pootle has been down for a week.  Is there any news on
this?  Now mercurial source server is down, too.  Will OOo binary
archive be shut down, too?


hg.services.openoffice.org seems to be O.K.

Regards,
Mathias



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[l10n-dev] Re: Any News on OOo Pootle?

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Bauer
Bully for hg... true, I suppose but in the long run not much use with 
Pootle down, the Extensions down and various other things intermittent.


I wish someone who *does* deal with these issues would tell is what's 
going on. It's ... discourteous, to say the least.


Michael

31/05/2011 18:03, sgrìobh Mathias Bauer:

Hi Michael,

Sure. But it was not my intention to hit that point.

I'm not involved in the Pootle maintenance, so I can't give you a good 
answer about it. I really just wanted to correct the wrong assumption 
that hg.services.openoffice.org might be down.


Regards,
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[l10n-dev] Updating existing translations

2011-05-16 Thread Michael Bauer
I have (another) question. I've completed the cleanup/retranslation for 
my locale of the files from accessability to extenstions, that's some 
20,000 words. There's a lot of strings cropping up now that I'm sure 
I've done before. Is there some way I can use those 20,000 words I've 
done so far to check against other files that are yet to be done, for 
example the sc folder, and add any matches?


Please bear in mind when making a suggestion that I'm on Windows and 
that I'm not a programmer, so keep it simple please :)


Cheers,

Michael


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[l10n-dev] Re: Scottish Gaelic (gd) as a locale

2011-04-17 Thread Michael Bauer

Unfortunately the this URL part on that page had an URL with the old
syntax that didn't lead to the correct submission form, corrected now.

I seem to be a real dab hand at finding stuff like that ;)



If the fall back doesn't work for some reason, registering the spell
checker for 'gd' and 'gd-GB' should do.

Ok, thanks, I'll double check.

One remaining question then - I'm also signed up with CLDR (sort of) to 
provide an XML for gd with a bit more than the minimal dataset I just 
did (cause i was in a hurry). Does stuff I will submit to CLDRG in 
future filter through to here automatically or is it best to submit on 
both sites? I'm just slightly worried because CLDR in my experience to 
date works *very* slowly.


Slàn,

Michael

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[l10n-dev] Re: Scottish Gaelic (gd) as a locale

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Bauer

Hello all

14/04/2011 13:26, Sgrìobh Eike Rathke:


There's Gaelic (Scotland) in the character attribution, also available
under Tools-Language-For Selection/Paragraph. It is not available as
locale and (default) document language because we have no locale data
for gd-GB, but that was the same with OOo3.0.1

For how to contribute locale data please see
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_submit_new_Locale_Data

   Eike
Well, gd or gd-GB is all the same really. Or paraphrasing, are you 
saying the spellchecker isn't working because it's identifying itself as 
gd and OO is expecting gd-GB or the other way round? If that's the case, 
fixing the spellchecker is easy enough but OO needs to be tweaked to 
understand that there's no difference between the too. At a massively 
long shot there might one day be gd-CA but I really doubt that.


Does that warrant submitting a new locale cause it's not really new.

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Ah another sore point. I've tried. I went to 
http://l10n.openoffice.org/mailing-lists.html and sent an email to 
dev-subscr...@l10n.openoffice.org but no response. For some reason OO 
really doesn't like my email. Clicking on the Direct Link on that page 
(http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList) leads to a 
dead page.


If someone could add my manually, I'd be much obliged.

Cheers

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[l10n-dev] Re: Scottish Gaelic (gd) as a locale

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Bauer

Ok, thanks to whoever sorted out my subscription problem!

Assuming that the locale data is needed anyway, I've gone ahead and 
created a file and submitted it in a bug 
(http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117857)


I hope it's in the right section, hard to tell.

Cheers,

Michael

14/04/2011 13:26, Sgrìobh Eike Rathke:


For how to contribute locale data please see
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_submit_new_Locale_Data

   Eike

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[l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) as a locale

2011-04-13 Thread Michael Bauer
I have quite a big problem that I cannot find a solution to and I'm 
beginning to suspect it has something to do with someone misinterpreting 
Gaelic as being Irish.


I've just upgraded from an older version (3.01 the last Scots Gaelic 
release (http://gd.openoffice.org/), I'm working on the new one but not 
there yet) and for the life of me cannot find a way of telling it that 
the document is in Scots Gaelic (gd). There's Irish alright but they're 
not the same. Neither Select Language for Document/Paragraph etc nor the 
Locale Settings nor the Default Language offers Scots Gaelic which means 
that spellchecking (yes, there is an oxt 
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/faclair-afb) in 
that language is now no longer working, which is a pain. I could go back 
to the older version of OO which DID list Scots Gaelic but I'd rather not.


I'm either not seeing something or someone broke something I think.

Cheers,

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[l10n-dev] Re: Scottish Gaelic (gd) as a locale

2011-04-13 Thread Michael Bauer
I just went onto the main page (http://www.openoffice.org/) and hit 
download, so it's whatever is on offer there.


Michael

13/04/2011 13:29, Sgrìobh Rafaella Braconi:

Hi Michael,
Which version did you use to upgrade? Can you point me to the 
language pack /install set you used for the upgrade?


thanks,
Rafaella


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Re: [l10n-dev] OpenOffice.org 3.3

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Bauer
Just in case you're waiting for word from every locale; Scots Gaelic 
(gd) isn't going to make this release but I hope to be there for the 
next one. There were, sadly, just too many missing strings and some 
other stuff got in the way.


Best,

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Re: [l10n-dev] Terminology Projects

2011-01-26 Thread Michael Bauer



25/01/2011 15:51, Sgrìobh Dwayne Bailey:


Yes its the right place.  You need to have Gaelic enabled as a 
language within terminology.  You can take any existing terminology 
resource in PO, TMX, TBX whatever Pootle support and upload it within 
your language in the terminology project.


Ok, I use an online dictionary for that so I'd have to do that from 
scratch. Who can enable Scots Gaelic (gd) for me?


le meas,

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Re: [l10n-dev] Terminology Projects

2011-01-25 Thread Michael Bauer

Dwayne,

Thanks!

1) Terminology - works in Pootle
If you place any terminology file(s) in the Terminology project on 
Pootle then this will happen: any word or substring that appears in 
the current unit that is also in Terminology will appear on the left 
of your editing widget.  This is mostly to ensure consistency in 
terminology choice across the project.


I'd recommend that every language on Pootle do this.
Ok, makes sense, happy to do that - but how or rather where exactly? Is 
that the same as the Glossary (which is the closest thing to a 
Terminology project I can find)? 
(http://pootle.services.openoffice.org/gd/openoffice_org/terminology_manage.html)



So please play with it an give us your feedback.


Ok I will when I can scrape some time!

Michael

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Re: [l10n-dev] Terminology Projects

2011-01-25 Thread Michael Bauer

Dwayne,


But you can also place files in the top level project called 
'Terminology' which will also be used.
Yes but *where*? The closes I can see is something for Sinhala? 
http://pootle.services.openoffice.org/projects/terminology/


Is that the right place and if so, how exactly do I go about doing one 
for Gaelic?


Thanks

Michael


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[l10n-dev] Terminology Projects

2011-01-24 Thread Michael Bauer
Question about terminology projects/TM on Pootle. If I start such a 
thing for my locale, will it then make suggestions live i.e. if I 
translate string ab cd de, and then ab cd de comes up again, it will 
automatically suggest that as a match or will it only do that after a 
build has been created or released or some such thing?


If it does work live, how do I go about setting one up for Scots Gaelic 
(gd)? It says request from an admin but it doesn't specify too clearly 
which admin :)


Cheers,

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Re: [l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) localisation

2011-01-18 Thread Michael Bauer

18/01/2011 13:32, Sgrìobh F Wolff:

If it improved quickly, I guess it will get even better. Chrome has some
font issues; I'm guessing it will just disappear one of these days. The
releases of Pootle we make now, only affect people installing this in
future, targeting even later usage.

I just had a new idea: adding both.  This way people can make the choice
per application they are translating. It seems that only mobile
applications might need the wrong character.  What do you think about
that idea?
That get's messy I think. Let's go with the wrong character for now. 
I'll keep testing and when it's broadly ok, it'll be a simple case of 
replacing them all.



Perfect. I can upload it soon. Just say - do you feel it is ready for
general use for localisers? The beta warning is very bold here :-)


I hope to do an update of that soon, taking off the beta warning. 
Probably sensible to wait until then. Does that go into the system under 
a GNU license too or how does that work?


le meas,

Michael


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Re: [l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) localisation

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Bauer
The preferred name is Scottish Gaelic (Gaelic is ambiguous as you say, 
referring to Scots, Irish and Manx Gaelic).


Special characters would be the vowels with grave Àà Òò Ùù Èè Ìì and the 
Tironian ampersand. Now technically that's ⁊ at U+204A but practically 
speaking, people often use ┐ at U+2510 because it's visually usually the 
same but is more commonly represented in fonts. 204A would be better but 
I can live with 2510. What do you think?


What sort of customisations for Virtaal are you talking about? I've not 
used it much so not sure what's possible etc.


Cheers,

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Re: [l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) localisation

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Bauer

Is there a specific reason you mention them in this order? I usually try
to sort alphabetically or in order of frequency if it is obvious (for
example I usually list the capitals last).  Where shall we position the
Tironian ampersand (when we decide which one to use :-)?
Errr, no, sorry, they just group that way phonologically in Gaelic, 
alphabetically is fine.

As a total outsider it seems as if 204A could hold some advantages, but
in terms of the practicalities I can't cast a judgement. The ideal would
be if we gradually do things better, but it is hard to convince people
to improve font support for small languages. It is a common problem in
Africa for languages needing extra diacritics. Now if you could get some
government to mandate language support for imported products, it might
just get fixed quite quickly :-)
Ya that would be the thing. I did a test page and a straw poll on my 
Facebook account. Last time I ran a test, virtually everyone had boxes 
but this time, only about half reported probles and then usually linked 
to Google Chrome; interestingly cross-OS support has improved. What 
worries me is that mobile devices can't handle 204A at all by the looks 
of it, whereas most seem to do the other one fine. So I think we'll go 
with the second-best option for now; I'll monitor development and when I 
can see a majority of platforms supporting 204A, we can make the change. 
For now, it's more important that it displays, rather than encoding purity.



Similar things to what would help improving OpenOffice.org. We can use
a spell checker and autocorrect data exactly as they are used in
OpenOffice.org.  I guess Kevin Scannel is the best person to talk to
with regards to spell checkers.  I can help you build the necessary
autocorrect files - we have some scripts to take a spreadsheet of
incorrect -  correct columns and generate the file needed for Virtaal
and OpenOffice.org.
There already is one: 
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/faclair-afb (though 
the server seems to be down just now). Is there some way we can utilise 
that?

Another interesting feature of Virtaal is Autoterm, where translators
can automatically obtain the common FOSS glossary. Read more here:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/autoterm

Sounds good, I'll check it out.

Thanks for all your help!

Michael
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Re: [l10n-dev] The localization process will be changed into a continuous process soon

2010-12-13 Thread Michael Bauer

Sorry, you're right, my mistake!

Michael

13/12/2010 11:55, Sgrìobh Ivo Hinkelmann:

Hi Michael,

gd is part of the Pootle system, why you want provide your own file by 
this URL list? We can only use one sdf file, from pootle or from this 
list.


Cheers,
Ivo

Michael Bauer wrote:

gd too please.

Michael



while looking through all active languages in Pavels list I saw 
that some are using Pootle. I will fetch those from Pootle instead:

pootle: ga cy et lt da lv uz sk bg vi ku bn

I will still fetch all those by URL:
non pootle: sl fi mk el nb nn km be-BY ro


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Re: [l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) localisation

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Bauer

Hi Rimas,

Yes, I'm using Pootle; and yes, the plural rules are missing but Frank 
Mau is dealing with that aspect. The below rules are the slightly more 
complicated version of this ruleset: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Localization_and_Plurals#Plural_rule_.234_%284_forms%29


We ended up formulating the more complicated ones because of something 
about the way Wikipedia handles plurals in its localisation project.


I'll wait and see what Frank comes back saying but thanks for the 
suggestion anyway!


Michael


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Re: [l10n-dev] Scottish Gaelic (gd) localisation

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Bauer

Great, thanks!

Can I ask though what format strings within Pootle should take? For 
example regarding that ...there is/are only '$count$' parameter(s) 
allowed string. 4 forms separated by semicolons as on Mozilla i.e. 
...'$count$' pharamadair...;...'$count$' pharamadair...;...'$count$' 
paramadairean...;...'$count$' paramadair...


Or some other way? Whatever the format, I assume I can only use it in 
strings with the $count$ placeholder?


Michael

08/12/2010 22:24, Sgrìobh Frank Mau:

Yes correct, these


  Plural rule #/*4*/ (4 forms)

*Families*: Celtic (Scottish Gaelic)
*is 1 or 11*: 1, 11
*is 2 or 12*: 2, 12
*others between 3 and 19*: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16, 
17, 18, 19
*everything else*: 0, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 
32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 
49, 50, 51, …


rules are in place for Celtic on OpenOffice.org Pootle server.
Cheers,
Frank





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Re: [l10n-dev] -- New Pootle server available --

2010-11-08 Thread Michael Bauer

Ok, I see Gaelic but it's empty.

I located the 3.01 strings in po format that Kevin Scannell from the 
Irish team extracted for me and uploaded them to my site on 
www.akerbeltz.org/gd.zip


Could an admin upload these please, to save me a little typing? ;) I've 
looked but I cannot locate a way for doing that myself.


Thanks

Michael


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Re: [l10n-dev] Update: New Pootle server

2010-11-02 Thread Michael Bauer
That might explain why I haven't had any response yet about getting 
Scots Gaelic onto Pootle, perhaps everyone was busy with the move.


Could an admin add Scots Gaelic on the new site please? I've taken over 
the Gaelic team but need help getting set up. The latest set of 
translations we can get our hands on is on Pavel's site 
(http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/build/Files/Gaelic/) 
but I need someone to set it up as a locale and move those files there.


Cheers,

Michael

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[l10n-dev] Gaelic (gd) again

2010-11-01 Thread Michael Bauer

A chàirdean,

I think I possible posted to the gd development list the other week. Not 
so smart.


I've taken onboard the Gaelic team which had fallen dormant and would 
like to steam ahead but need a hand getting set up. The latest set of 
translations we can get our hands on is on Pavel's site 
(http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/build/Files/Gaelic/) 
but I need someone to set up Gaelic as a locale on Pootle and move those 
files there.


Any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Michael


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