Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Daniel Carrera wrote: Personally I think that Jacqueline should state the reasons for sacking Ryan. Other project volunteers need to know know what actions can lead to dismissal. The MarCons would be especially interested. +1 --Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: As I said before, the CC was setup to be the mediating body for community issues including the actions of any project lead. Yes, I know Louis and Jacqueline are themselves members of the CC, but the CC has nine members in total. Thus, I will wait for the outcome of the next CC meeting. Are you saying that the CC is planing to evaluate the actions of Louis and Jacqueline regarding Ryan's dismissal? I don't think that's in the agenda. Personally I think that Jacqueline should state the reasons for sacking Ryan. Other project volunteers need to know know what actions can lead to dismissal. The MarCons would be especially interested. Daniel. -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ \/_/I am not over-weight, I am under-tall. / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
As I said before, the CC was setup to be the mediating body for community issues including the actions of any project lead. Yes, I know Louis and Jacqueline are themselves members of the CC, but the CC has nine members in total. Thus, I will wait for the outcome of the next CC meeting. Erwin Daniel Carrera wrote: Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Since I don't know all the details about this incident I will try to stay neutral by saying that my understanding is that any elected project lead is empowered to do whatever he or she thinks is necessary to run the project. Does that extend to sacking MarCons without giving prior warning or stating reasons publically? Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Will OOo be at SCALE 4x?
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: On 1/2/06 1:03 AM Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Has a decision been made about whether OOo will have a booth at SCALE 4x in LA Feb 11-12? Sort of. AFAIK, there is no money involved from OOo to go there. I tend to think this conference has wider appeal than the DLS and is promising and is not committing us to effectively advertising a company's event. But it's up to those who are able to go there to be there. But that's the usual story. The discussion on the conference too place earlier last year on [EMAIL PROTECTED] See http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=events&by=thread&from=992219 Yes, I know about both of those discussions, but the last I recall seeing there was no statement that anyone was actually *doing* anything about organising a booth at SCALE 4x (quite apart from any expenses involved). So my question to this list is: *Is* someone organising a booth for OOo? I certainly am not, because I'm organising the booth for the OpenDocument Fellowship. If OOo is *not* going to have a booth, I'd like to ask for volunteers to help staff the ODF booth. Booth beings can get in free to SCALE 4x (thanks to SCALE's policy on this), but no other financial assistance is available. A reminder on dates: SCALE 4x is being held 11-12 February (a weekend) at the Los Angeles Airport Radisson Hotel. Regards, Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Since I don't know all the details about this incident I will try to stay neutral by saying that my understanding is that any elected project lead is empowered to do whatever he or she thinks is necessary to run the project. Does that extend to sacking MarCons without giving prior warning or stating reasons publically? Daniel. -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ \/_/I am not over-weight, I am under-tall. / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Will OOo be at SCALE 4x?
Hi On 1/2/06 1:03 AM Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > Has a decision been made about whether OOo will have a booth at > SCALE 4x in LA Feb 11-12? Sort of. AFAIK, there is no money involved from OOo to go there. I tend to think this conference has wider appeal than the DLS and is promising and is not committing us to effectively advertising a company's event. But it's up to those who are able to go there to be there. But that's the usual story. The discussion on the conference too place earlier last year on [EMAIL PROTECTED] See http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=events&by=thread&from=992219 -louis > Jean > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] [Fwd: OOoCon 2006 - Call for Location - Draft in Wiki]
FYI Please reply to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list! Thanks, Erwin --- Begin Message --- Hi all, As you most likely know, a close to final draft of the call for location for OOoCon 2006 is available in our Wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoCon_2006_Call_for_Location I haven't seen a lot feedback yet. Therefore, I wanted to ask one more time for comments and edits. What should be the deadline? What needs to be changed, added or removed from the draft? Who can help with getting submitted proposals online for the voting? What mechanisms do we want to distribute/publish the call for location? I will also forward this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Erwin --- End Message --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Claus Agerskov wrote: First of all I agree with what Ian Lynch replied. On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote: Claus Agerskov wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote: The OpenOffice.org project guidelines suggest communications of these types of decisions privately, and I remember you yourself said praise on-list and critique off-list. Yes critique - but telling MarCons to leave their position is not critism but kicking them out. Ryan started this thread of his own volition. I did not ask him to resign or kick him out. I sent him a private message revoking his MarCon role. How whould you feel if your role was revoked? If you only criticise off list then only the one who is criticised will see what is criticizable so the rest of the project members does not learn from it. And the rest of the project members can't respond if your critism is wrong. I agree with you. And I'm in a somewhat of a dilemma. You are saying that any critique is to be public, whereas others and the OpenOffice.org guidelines are saying that it is to be private. I prefer any communication to be public, especially difficult or awkward situations. For example, there has been some email conversations in which I have been cc'd in that I would have prefered not to. Statements about other community members that I consider to be scandalous if not libelous, but because private messages or marked as in-confidence, I have no easy way of verifying or doing anything about it. And to be quite honest would have preferred to be not involved. I quite understand people stating in their sigs, reply to the list only. I can see that your own role are on stake if you are not following the guidelines. But how do we change the guidelines (and where are they by the way? You can view criticizable behavior as a bug - and in open source projects bugs are discussed openly. I agree with you, but others state otherwise. It seems that the ones in charge does not have a clue on open source projects and how they should be ran. I will only now consider public critique to Ryan at his request. When you become a member of an open source project you will be a target of public critic - escpecially from you peers. And I'm ok with that, but I'm not ok with what people consider all is wrong with the OOo MP is my problem. I am not the MP. No you and John are project leaders - and as you have acted on your own without your co-leader will be seen as a formal act of OOo MP - so in this case you act as the (only) formal leader of OOo MP. Then others of OOo MP react - and their oponions are also a part of OOo MP. The Project Leads are responsible for the recruitment of and liaison with MarCons. Usually, potential candidates contact us, as two did earlier this week. The "What Do MarCons Do?" is a minimum, and I'm happy to say that most of the MarCons exceed these requirements. And where did Ryan not meet the "What Do MarCons Do?"? http://ooosmp.homelinux.org/GoalsandObjectives/MarketingProject That is up to Ryan to say if he wishes. No - it is up to you to tell what is the reason for revoking Ryan's MarCon role. It is not his. (And why is the formal guidelines for the OpenOffice.org Marketing Project on a different domain than openoffice.org - the it does not look formal - I could write something on ooo.chbs.dk/marketing and state that this is formal OpenOffice.org Marketing Project guidelines). The most enjoyable New Year greetings Do you really think that the guidelines that have been estabilished for this community are being followed, I have been using using OOo for about 3 years now, joined the marketing project in Sep or Oct of 2004. In that time Louis has been the Community Manager and a member of the CC. If I recall correctly the CC are elected every 12 months and are discouraged from serving successive terms, but yet as far back as Feb of 2004 Louis has held this position, which is closing in on at least 2 years or more. I do not know how long Jaqueline has been the MP Lead but it is as long as I have been with the project. Yes she revoked Ryan's role, she has that ability but the Project also has the power to vote her off as lead according to what I have read, but yet when someone suggested that she and Louis step down, it was called a personal attack. I see it as the first step in letting them know that people are not happy with the way things are going. Gee I wonder how long after I send this before I get the email, but I will let you know. I think that if we are going to site the guidelines as reason to do things, then those guidelines should be followed. James Walker Central US MarCon
Re: [Marketing] PlexNex: "Microsoft's File Format Lock Slackens"
Dnia 02-01-2006, pon o godzinie 23:38 -0800, Edward Buck napisał(a): > It seems to me that Microsoft has finally gotten macro viruses under > control. But is it possible for OOo to claim that it's more secure than > MS Office? If so, we should be marketing the hell out of that. :-) > IMO, nothing moves software better than security issues. > Regards, > Ed On a partially sponsored meeting (only partially, because there is a little interest in open software in Polish market, because still, although it is 21c. not many bosses know what a computer is and keep it at the secretary's desk because it attracts customers' attention. Many of the company owners think that a free software is an illegal copy or a demo version of some sort :S When I once said "free software" to one, he turned purple, then green, then red and responded "no, we have everything genuine here". Too bad that many of these bosses also think that the software is genuine if they can obtain it on a bazaar) I told the guests of my meeting that OpenOffice.org is very safe, because it asks for every document's script to run or not, and if somebody is suspicious about the script, he can always check the document in any text editor, because it's an Open Document compressed in a zip format :) They enjoyed the idea. Really. Konrad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Hi, On 1/3/06 4:31 AM Claus Agerskov wrote: > First of all I agree with what Ian Lynch replied. > Ian asked Laurent, CCR, to send his post to the council, and he did, via the agenda@ list. [0] Adam Moore also sent a post via Laurent to the agenda list, as did Jean Weber, regarding more news on Team OpenOffice.org e.V. [1] (BTW, the agenda list is wide open to all and posts to it for the CC agenda will be discussed by the CC.) Given that all these issues are now to be set before the council, I'd ask that you consider holding fire until the CC meeting is concluded. I had been hoping for a meeting this week, but a good portion of the CC is still on vacation or can't make it. The next meeting, I am hoping it will be next week, either Wednesday or Thursday. Ciao, Louis [0] http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=agenda&msgNo=2374 [1] http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=agenda&msgNo=2373 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Goodbye and Good Luck
Since I don't know all the details about this incident I will try to stay neutral by saying that my understanding is that any elected project lead is empowered to do whatever he or she thinks is necessary to run the project. In cases of disagreement between different parties, the Community Council is supposed to be the mediating body. If issues are caused or heavily influenced by Sun, the Sun Community Council representative is supposed to "escalate" the issue. If that does not help or if people do not trust that representative, an email can be send to "Ombudsman at Sun dot com": http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=open_source_ombudsman Best regards, Erwin Claus Agerskov wrote: First of all I agree with what Ian Lynch replied. On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote: Claus Agerskov wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote: The OpenOffice.org project guidelines suggest communications of these types of decisions privately, and I remember you yourself said praise on-list and critique off-list. Yes critique - but telling MarCons to leave their position is not critism but kicking them out. Ryan started this thread of his own volition. I did not ask him to resign or kick him out. I sent him a private message revoking his MarCon role. How whould you feel if your role was revoked? If you only criticise off list then only the one who is criticised will see what is criticizable so the rest of the project members does not learn from it. And the rest of the project members can't respond if your critism is wrong. I agree with you. And I'm in a somewhat of a dilemma. You are saying that any critique is to be public, whereas others and the OpenOffice.org guidelines are saying that it is to be private. I prefer any communication to be public, especially difficult or awkward situations. For example, there has been some email conversations in which I have been cc'd in that I would have prefered not to. Statements about other community members that I consider to be scandalous if not libelous, but because private messages or marked as in-confidence, I have no easy way of verifying or doing anything about it. And to be quite honest would have preferred to be not involved. I quite understand people stating in their sigs, reply to the list only. I can see that your own role are on stake if you are not following the guidelines. But how do we change the guidelines (and where are they by the way? You can view criticizable behavior as a bug - and in open source projects bugs are discussed openly. I agree with you, but others state otherwise. It seems that the ones in charge does not have a clue on open source projects and how they should be ran. I will only now consider public critique to Ryan at his request. When you become a member of an open source project you will be a target of public critic - escpecially from you peers. And I'm ok with that, but I'm not ok with what people consider all is wrong with the OOo MP is my problem. I am not the MP. No you and John are project leaders - and as you have acted on your own without your co-leader will be seen as a formal act of OOo MP - so in this case you act as the (only) formal leader of OOo MP. Then others of OOo MP react - and their oponions are also a part of OOo MP. The Project Leads are responsible for the recruitment of and liaison with MarCons. Usually, potential candidates contact us, as two did earlier this week. The "What Do MarCons Do?" is a minimum, and I'm happy to say that most of the MarCons exceed these requirements. And where did Ryan not meet the "What Do MarCons Do?"? http://ooosmp.homelinux.org/GoalsandObjectives/MarketingProject That is up to Ryan to say if he wishes. No - it is up to you to tell what is the reason for revoking Ryan's MarCon role. It is not his. (And why is the formal guidelines for the OpenOffice.org Marketing Project on a different domain than openoffice.org - the it does not look formal - I could write something on ooo.chbs.dk/marketing and state that this is formal OpenOffice.org Marketing Project guidelines). The most enjoyable New Year greetings - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
