Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
Hello Don, DC Parris wrote: Greetings! I am responding to an article that claims Microsoft invests $50b/year in RD - as if the libre software community doesn't invest in RD. I believe it does. Can the OOo team help me quantify what gets invested in RD? I am also contacting some other major projects, but would like to get some input from the folks at OOo. I think you may want to differentiate between hard budget spending in the context of a corporate RD effort and the way RD wors in FOSS communities. You can for instance ask to Sun, Novell, or Red Hat how much they are spending for desktop Linux (OOo only would be too narrow for real RD), but that would really be the visible edge of the iceberg. Also, note that innovation happens elsewhere and that many new successful FOSS projects started out of nothing and became funded and populated by people paid by companies. I think Beagle is a good example of that, but I may be wrong. Hope this helps, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 23:41 -0500, DC Parris wrote: Greetings! I am responding to an article that claims Microsoft invests $50b/year in RD - as if the libre software community doesn't invest in RD. I believe it does. Can the OOo team help me quantify what gets invested in RD? I am also contacting some other major projects, but would like to get some input from the folks at OOo. Don To compare like with like, you may need to look at developer manhours per annum generated by Microsoft compared to the open-source community... John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
On Tue, January 10, 2006 13:42, John McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 23:41 -0500, DC Parris wrote: Greetings! I am responding to an article that claims Microsoft invests $50b/year in RD - as if the libre software community doesn't invest in RD. I believe it does. Can the OOo team help me quantify what gets invested in RD? I am also contacting some other major projects, but would like to get some input from the folks at OOo. Don To compare like with like, you may need to look at developer manhours per annum generated by Microsoft compared to the open-source community... John Here's the general gist - which I have communicated to most of the folks I've contacted: The gist of my article is that RD for GNU/Linux and FOSS has to be considered on a different basis than Microsoft's approach. As an example, Microsoft may well spend $50 billion/year in RD. Against the backdrop of what they distribute, it seems like they're throwing money away. After $50b, a WMF vulnerability puts 600 million users at risk. On the FOSS side of the house, no single company has a need to invest $50 billion/year because they are essentially getting free RD, and much of that goes unaccounted for. Don -- DC Parris http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ Hey man, whatever pickles your file! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
On Jan 11, 2006, at 02:24, Steven Shelton wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: I was with you at the beginning of that, Don, but I'm surprised to hear you saying free RD given what you've written on LXer recently. It's not free/gratis. It costs every one of us time, many of us money as well. As the cost of the R D is not bourne by a single entity, you're right that it's pointless to try to estimate a dollar value for it unless you also establish the exchange rate. But it's not free/gratis. Each community member invests according to their ability and goals, and they do so because they expect to see a return on that investment on their own terms and timescale. I think that what he was saying is that it's free to the company that takes advantage of it, not to the people who actually do the RD. While there are contexts in which it's perhaps reasonable to say that, *in the context Don is discussing* I'd assert that's missing the point. That only works if you think you're an island[1]. Each of us has to put in effort, and each of us will yield a return. Saying that compared to Microsoft's $50bn investment all of F/OSS is free both perpetuates the abuse of the word free and perpetuates the idea that open source is about freeloading. It only matters in Don's original context though. Not worth an argument :-) S. [1] http://polyticks.com/home/Visions/NoManIsl.htm smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
Simon Phipps wrote: I was with you at the beginning of that, Don, but I'm surprised to hear you saying free RD given what you've written on LXer recently. It's not free/gratis. It costs every one of us time, many of us money as well. As the cost of the R D is not bourne by a single entity, you're right that it's pointless to try to estimate a dollar value for it unless you also establish the exchange rate. But it's not free/gratis. Each community member invests according to their ability and goals, and they do so because they expect to see a return on that investment on their own terms and timescale. I think that what he was saying is that it's free to the company that takes advantage of it, not to the people who actually do the RD. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Extras installer
Hello Louis! Thanks to Alex, Mike! and everyone else! I think getting an installer for the extras would be terrific, and would be happy to post it to a to-dos page on the distribution project. Cheers Louis -- I did two task about this... The first was an installer (created with INNOSETUP) that installed my Gallery collection (2400 object), Hungarian templates and Impress background (100+), documentations, marketing matedials... It is in Hungarian and English language but I can localize it inta any language supported of InnoSetup. We can build a big pack for all language in one installer, or a smaller for one language per installer... Currently it doesn't have any download, but if you interested in I can up somewhere. Another way is via integrating into OOo's installer. We have finished the build of Hungarian OpenOffice.org version, then we started a pack called OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.1.. This Premium version contains everything from the separate plus 90+ fonts from Larabie (available also from FontOOo)... We worked together with SUN's engineers to extend the installer... Now, after the release of 2.0.1 We're working on Gallery internationalize by converting our gallery to localizable gallery (it is almost ready)... So if you interested in this version of extra installer you can download it from here (WinLin): http://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/2.0.1_Premium/ It is only in Hungarian this time but you can find out the new entries under Kiegészítők... After the installation no one hold you to install your language's langpack for 2.0.1... If you interested in this modification I can upload the source of modification to our ftp server... Thanks, -- KAMI E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 59211086 My favorites / Kedvenceim: http://www.openoffice.org/ -- HU sub : http://hu.openoffice.org/ Sablonok : http://hu.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=456 Gallery / Képtár : http://hu.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=377 Tankönyv : http://hu.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=313 http://www.mozilla.org/ -- HU sub : http://mozilla.fsf.hu/ Externsions / Kiterjesztések : http://mozilla.fsf.hu/extensions/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
Hi Don, DC Parris wrote: Greetings! I am responding to an article that claims Microsoft invests $50b/year in RD - as if the libre software community doesn't invest in RD. I believe it does. Can the OOo team help me quantify what gets invested in RD? I am also contacting some other major projects, but would like to get some input from the folks at OOo. Don Thinking in percentages, I always get the impression that MS works with the 20-80 rule: 20% quality, 80% marketing. Seeing the rare ocurence of OOo-advertising, 90-10 at least is appropriate for OOo, IMHO. Greetings, Cor -- - - - - - - - - - - -Cor Nouws- - www.nouenoff.nl - - - - - OOo - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
