[Marketing] Re:[Marketing] ISO 26300 icon
Hello Konrad, > Hey I have another question regarding the Open Document and ISO > things. > I would like to put an icon on the site showing that Open > Document is an > ISO 26300 standard. I think that ISO gives such icons to the > creators of > these standards? Indeed, but then the ISO will gave it to the OASIS ODF TC... There is one official ODF logo that has been drawn by the OASIS and that needs some little work but it should be available at least for the OOoCON... Best, Charles. Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34 /mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] ISO 26300 icon
Hey I have another question regarding the Open Document and ISO things. I would like to put an icon on the site showing that Open Document is an ISO 26300 standard. I think that ISO gives such icons to the creators of these standards? Cheers, Konrad -- http://www.konrad.stobiecki.pl http://pl.openoffice.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Draft OpenOffice.org Solutions page / Input welcome!
Shouldn't that list also include: i) IME's; ii) Translation Tools --- both machine & human; Which ones come to your mind? Cheers, Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Draft OpenOffice.org Solutions page / Input welcome!
Sophie Gautier wrote: > May be PortableOOo and the Framakey ... should be somewhere too, Shouldn't that list also include: i) IME's; ii) Translation Tools --- both machine & human; xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Presentation of the OOo 2.0 localization into Catalan
Hi all, Next Tuesday, May the 16th there will be the official presentation of the OOo 2.0 localization into Catalan in Barcelona. The act will take place at University of Barcelona, Sala de Juntes del Rectorat, at 11:00 am. With speeches of the following people: - Jordi Matas, from the University of Barcelona. - Miquel Pueyo, person in charge of the promotion of the Catalan language in the Catalonia's Government. - Josep Fígols, from Sun Microsystems. - Jesús Corrius, Catalan Native Lang and L10N Project Leader. There will also be a demo of the new features in OOo 2.0. Of course, everybody here is invited :) Regards, -- Jesús Corrius http://www.corrius.org/bloc/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 15:07 -0400, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: [snip] > BTW, I'd really rather we work together on Why.Ooo. Lots to do there. > Also, lots to do with adding content to the new wiki I created on > Migration Documents. I agree with Louis that this issue is at a tangent to the current tasks of the MP which is what we should focus on here. However, I am aware that the whole ODF/ISO issue has arisen since we produced the Strategic Marketing Plan, and I would be quite happy for the issue to continue to be discussed on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list - if anyone has any energy left to continue... John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 23:09, Graham wrote: > Alex Fisher wrote: > > While you're at it Alex, not sure if you got my mail of a couple of > weeks ago. But could you pull the "Blond & Bloke PC support" from the > New Zealand list. The site has been dead for months now. Will be done (actually has been done, just need to upload the updated file)... > > Cheers > GL -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
Hi, :)) it's not too bad anyway. To end up with this thread, I just want to say that my suggestions come from my experience with customers. The sad thing is that they are not always logic... Best, Charles. > Hi Charles, > > I hope you don't mid that I mail you *off-list*. Since the subject is a > little controversial, I'd rather ask my things in this way. > > To have a look in the mirror, try to understand others point of view, I > would like to put it as follows, so that you can (if you will like to) > explain. > > a - Organizations hate to switch, also theire office-application. > b - When they switch, they expect savings (less licence-costs). > c - So when the (sometimes) big horde of macro's is taken (and the > interaction between orther apps, i.e. CRM's etc.) they will be glad when > exchanging their docs with others, isn't a (big) problem. > d - Thus the question is: does a good ODF plugin serve this goal? > > Would you prefer, I'll put this on-list, so that you can react there. > > Greetings, > Cor > > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I agree with Jacqueline here. While I believe that the theory according > > to which ODF, if implemented inside MS Office, would help the adoption > > of OOo, is tempting, it is jut not what I hear from customers, members > > of the administrations, and CIOs of the private sector. To them it would > > be, in contrary, their best excuse for *not going OOo*, actually. > > Remember, people hate to change. CIOs do even more :) . Office suites > > are a crucial part of the infrastructure they have to deal with and at > > the same time, it's a commodity. You can tell them whatever you want and > > show them the fanciest technology, at the end of the day their job is to > > keep the IT working, if not the entire corporate processes running from > > the production facilities to the accounting dept. > > > > So I think it should be clear that, despite the respect we have of the > > OD fellowship's work, the interests of the two, OOo and the fellowship > > converge on many points but do not match exactly. > > > > I don't see how this statement could be hostile toward one or another, > > by the way. But it may be good and useful to draw lines, sometimes. > > > > Besides, I don't think that allowing MS to have access to ODF is a good > > thing. Let's isolate them increasingly rather than give them the stick > > they'll use to beat us down and the whole community. > > > > Me, I'd rather have no ODF plugin for MS Office, unless it's an absolute > > customer's requirement. As I said, customers hate to change, and the > > more they stick with MS Office the happier they will be. When you prove > > them that OOo is as feature rich than MS Office, they'll tell you that > > macros can't be implemented in a similar way. When macros don't matter > > after all, they'll tell you about the format. And so at that point, I'd > > rather go on showing them what is possible and what brings them value > > with OOo and ODF. But an ODF plugin, whatever the technological interest > > it might create, is not wishable, for OOo, for SO, for KOffice, for > > Workplace and for FOSS in general. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Charles. > > > >> > >> It is not so much inside and outside, but the fact that we are here to > >> promote and encourage the use of OpenOffice.org, which I would think is > >> just one of tools in the OpenDocument Fellowship toolbox. Another is > >> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060505081533186 > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -- > Cor Nouws > www.bsooo.nl - www.nouenoff.nl > Free your files > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34 /mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: On 2006-05-09, at 15:00 , Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Charles, I hope you don't mid that I mail you *off-list*. Since the subject is a little controversial, I'd rather ask my things in this way. Hi Uhm, offlist, onlist, hey, what's the diff :-) Oops, little mistake. Well, see what it brings. Ciao, BTW, I'd really rather we work together on Why.Ooo. Lots to do there. Also, lots to do with adding content to the new wiki I created on Migration Documents. Agree. I'll join in a few weeks. Greetings, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cor Nouws www.bsooo.nl - www.nouenoff.nl Free your files - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
On 2006-05-09, at 15:00 , Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Charles, I hope you don't mid that I mail you *off-list*. Since the subject is a little controversial, I'd rather ask my things in this way. Hi Uhm, offlist, onlist, hey, what's the diff :-) Ciao, BTW, I'd really rather we work together on Why.Ooo. Lots to do there. Also, lots to do with adding content to the new wiki I created on Migration Documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
Hi Charles, I hope you don't mid that I mail you *off-list*. Since the subject is a little controversial, I'd rather ask my things in this way. To have a look in the mirror, try to understand others point of view, I would like to put it as follows, so that you can (if you will like to) explain. a - Organizations hate to switch, also theire office-application. b - When they switch, they expect savings (less licence-costs). c - So when the (sometimes) big horde of macro's is taken (and the interaction between orther apps, i.e. CRM's etc.) they will be glad when exchanging their docs with others, isn't a (big) problem. d - Thus the question is: does a good ODF plugin serve this goal? Would you prefer, I'll put this on-list, so that you can react there. Greetings, Cor Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, I agree with Jacqueline here. While I believe that the theory according to which ODF, if implemented inside MS Office, would help the adoption of OOo, is tempting, it is jut not what I hear from customers, members of the administrations, and CIOs of the private sector. To them it would be, in contrary, their best excuse for *not going OOo*, actually. Remember, people hate to change. CIOs do even more :) . Office suites are a crucial part of the infrastructure they have to deal with and at the same time, it's a commodity. You can tell them whatever you want and show them the fanciest technology, at the end of the day their job is to keep the IT working, if not the entire corporate processes running from the production facilities to the accounting dept. So I think it should be clear that, despite the respect we have of the OD fellowship's work, the interests of the two, OOo and the fellowship converge on many points but do not match exactly. I don't see how this statement could be hostile toward one or another, by the way. But it may be good and useful to draw lines, sometimes. Besides, I don't think that allowing MS to have access to ODF is a good thing. Let's isolate them increasingly rather than give them the stick they'll use to beat us down and the whole community. Me, I'd rather have no ODF plugin for MS Office, unless it's an absolute customer's requirement. As I said, customers hate to change, and the more they stick with MS Office the happier they will be. When you prove them that OOo is as feature rich than MS Office, they'll tell you that macros can't be implemented in a similar way. When macros don't matter after all, they'll tell you about the format. And so at that point, I'd rather go on showing them what is possible and what brings them value with OOo and ODF. But an ODF plugin, whatever the technological interest it might create, is not wishable, for OOo, for SO, for KOffice, for Workplace and for FOSS in general. Hope this helps, Charles. It is not so much inside and outside, but the fact that we are here to promote and encourage the use of OpenOffice.org, which I would think is just one of tools in the OpenDocument Fellowship toolbox. Another is http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060505081533186 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cor Nouws www.bsooo.nl - www.nouenoff.nl Free your files - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
On 5/9/06, Charles-H. Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I think it should be clear that, despite the respect we have of the OD fellowship's work, the interests of the two, OOo and the fellowship converge on many points but do not match exactly. This is killing me. Why is it an OD Fellowship thing? I would appreciate it if people would stop putting anything some members of the OD Fellowship say as an OD Fellowship thing. If anyone else here is a member of another group should we automatically take their ideas as reflective of that other group? -- Adam Moore Founding Member http://www.opendocumentfellowship.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
Hi, On 2006-05-09, at 08:30 , Alex Fisher wrote: On Tuesday 09 May 2006 21:05, Steven Shelton wrote: Alex Fisher wrote: Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) [snip]> If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do something to make things right with the customer. Perhaps the best move at this point would be for either myself or Louis (in his "official" capacity as Community Manager) to forward the original email along with a request for comment to Cosmi (or perhaps a phone call if that's possible). Let's get more information from the buyer, first. If they refuse or simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo project. It taints everyone. From the comments in the next post in this thread, it sounds like we have the same situation as we had (have?) with Luxuriosity Office. Ach. -louis Ciao Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
Alex Fisher wrote: While you're at it Alex, not sure if you got my mail of a couple of weeks ago. But could you pull the "Blond & Bloke PC support" from the New Zealand list. The site has been dead for months now. Cheers GL -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 21:05, Steven Shelton wrote: > Alex Fisher wrote: > > Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an > > actual chain of office supply stores. > > Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they > probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) > [snip]> > If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, > tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do > something to make things right with the customer. Perhaps the best move at this point would be for either myself or Louis (in his "official" capacity as Community Manager) to forward the original email along with a request for comment to Cosmi (or perhaps a phone call if that's possible). > If they refuse or > simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is > using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo > project. It taints everyone. From the comments in the next post in this thread, it sounds like we have the same situation as we had (have?) with Luxuriosity Office. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
All, Isn't COSMI the same company that has been selling the rebranded OOo at different outlets (I seem to recall Best Buy being one of them as well), but when people try to get support COSMI just refers them to the OOo users mailing list? IIRC, there have been several instances on that list where people bought the OOo product and had a product and COSMI failed to support it. Seems like the conclusion over there was that there was nothing to do to stop COSMI from reselling OOo, but the users list would "refuse"(kind of a gentleman's agreement not to help by those who are most knowledgeable of OOo) to answer questions from anyone getting OOo via that route, referring them back to COSMI. Jeff Causey On Tuesday May 09 2006 07:05, Steven Shelton wrote: > Alex Fisher wrote: > > Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an > > actual chain of office supply stores. > > Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they > probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) > > > OTOH, Cosmi is listed. Checking their site, they are selling re-branded > > OO.o in various incarnations. None of their products are actually branded > > as OO.o. The only result I could get from searching their site for > > "openoffice" was an entry in their FAQ. > > > > so that leaves the question - de-list them, or modify the entry to > > indicate that they are selling a re-branded version? (It would appear > > that they are selling the latest version from their on-line store). > > > > As for the original person's problem I suspect that the shop they went to > > was selling very old stock. They should take it back and request a > > refund, since that version of OO.o produced very poor HTML (and that's > > being polite), hence is not suitable for the stated purpose (building > > websites). > > If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, > tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do > something to make things right with the customer. If they refuse or > simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is > using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo > project. It taints everyone. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Publicity strategy
Hello, I agree with Jacqueline here. While I believe that the theory according to which ODF, if implemented inside MS Office, would help the adoption of OOo, is tempting, it is jut not what I hear from customers, members of the administrations, and CIOs of the private sector. To them it would be, in contrary, their best excuse for *not going OOo*, actually. Remember, people hate to change. CIOs do even more :) . Office suites are a crucial part of the infrastructure they have to deal with and at the same time, it's a commodity. You can tell them whatever you want and show them the fanciest technology, at the end of the day their job is to keep the IT working, if not the entire corporate processes running from the production facilities to the accounting dept. So I think it should be clear that, despite the respect we have of the OD fellowship's work, the interests of the two, OOo and the fellowship converge on many points but do not match exactly. I don't see how this statement could be hostile toward one or another, by the way. But it may be good and useful to draw lines, sometimes. Besides, I don't think that allowing MS to have access to ODF is a good thing. Let's isolate them increasingly rather than give them the stick they'll use to beat us down and the whole community. Me, I'd rather have no ODF plugin for MS Office, unless it's an absolute customer's requirement. As I said, customers hate to change, and the more they stick with MS Office the happier they will be. When you prove them that OOo is as feature rich than MS Office, they'll tell you that macros can't be implemented in a similar way. When macros don't matter after all, they'll tell you about the format. And so at that point, I'd rather go on showing them what is possible and what brings them value with OOo and ODF. But an ODF plugin, whatever the technological interest it might create, is not wishable, for OOo, for SO, for KOffice, for Workplace and for FOSS in general. Hope this helps, Charles. It is not so much inside and outside, but the fact that we are here to promote and encourage the use of OpenOffice.org, which I would think is just one of tools in the OpenDocument Fellowship toolbox. Another is http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060505081533186 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
Alex Fisher wrote: Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) OTOH, Cosmi is listed. Checking their site, they are selling re-branded OO.o in various incarnations. None of their products are actually branded as OO.o. The only result I could get from searching their site for "openoffice" was an entry in their FAQ. so that leaves the question - de-list them, or modify the entry to indicate that they are selling a re-branded version? (It would appear that they are selling the latest version from their on-line store). As for the original person's problem I suspect that the shop they went to was selling very old stock. They should take it back and request a refund, since that version of OO.o produced very poor HTML (and that's being polite), hence is not suitable for the stated purpose (building websites). If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do something to make things right with the customer. If they refuse or simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo project. It taints everyone. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media & Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 13:40, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: > hi, > > On 2006-05-07, at 21:29 , KADObytes Administration wrote: > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > Sorry, but I do not know, who I would have to contact! > > > > > > > > I just bought a CD-Rom in the OfficeDepot in my location. It was > > called Web > > Page Creator and the developer is COSMI. > > > > I was surprised, when I installed the software, because I got > > nothing but > > OpenOffice.org in version 1.0.2. > > This is serious, as things go, and we can respond by de-listing the > vendor from the CDROM page and generally warning buyers to beware and > notify us if there are improprieties. > Am cc'ing Alex Fisher, who can help. > > > Alex: would you be able to de-list the company, if it is listed? Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. OTOH, Cosmi is listed. Checking their site, they are selling re-branded OO.o in various incarnations. None of their products are actually branded as OO.o. The only result I could get from searching their site for "openoffice" was an entry in their FAQ. so that leaves the question - de-list them, or modify the entry to indicate that they are selling a re-branded version? (It would appear that they are selling the latest version from their on-line store). As for the original person's problem I suspect that the shop they went to was selling very old stock. They should take it back and request a refund, since that version of OO.o produced very poor HTML (and that's being polite), hence is not suitable for the stated purpose (building websites). > > Best, > > Louis > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Uwe Wresch > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/
Re: [Marketing] Draft OpenOffice.org Solutions page / Input welcome!
Hi Erwin, Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Hi all, Since many (potential) OpenOffice.org users are looking for complementary tools and applications (both open source and commercial), I put together a draft OpenOffice.org Solutions page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Solutions I've added Dmaths and Lodel. May be PortableOOo and the Framakey (http://www.framakey.org/En/Index) should be somewhere too, but I don't know where :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
