[marketing-dev] Re: ping
:-) I am. My strategies are, obviously, to invoke the established stakeholders—IBM, Red Hat, to name but two, but also Google—in the gambit. But the issue is even more interesting than money alone. Much of the secret of OOo's sauce lies not in the recipe, which is open, but in the makers, who are like chefs the world round, only more so. And with Oracle's renunciation, they are obviously affected. How, it's not clear. But if I were in the team, I'd be no doubt updating my résumé—and be fending off hot solicitations. In short, time is of the essence. LibreOffice, TDF, do not have the full resources to continue, let alone advance OOo. They can differentiate it, which is to be lauded, but they have their own uncertainties. They do not appeal, too, to enterprises; we do. Enterprises can be public sector or private. They have the same concerns: reliability, predictability, stability, and super-good QA. That all takes money not just in the present but in the future. So, these are not trivial points. I've been working sub rosa because that's the way this is done. And even so, I've been pretty much shut out of a lot of discourse. Oracle has been absolutely mum about OOo's copyright and development future, though I've asked. They are surely in talks with the usual suspects, at least, I hope so. But the discussions are hardly including the OOo community—not me, at least, and not really any I know involved with OOo. What I'll do is what I promised earlier: write an open letter to Edward Screven, the Oracle VP who issued the announcement 15 April. And I also would very much appreciate it, and I think the entire OOo community would, too, if IBM and other stakeholders, such as Google and Red Hat execcs-I'll spare names—would engage the community representatives, in the plural or even singular, to proceed. What counts here is not my presence or participation per se, that's irrelevant and immaterial, but the continuation of OOo as that set of tools enterprises and users the world round expect to be there, as a community thing is. So, we are doing things. And I just wish I could speak more, or write more on this. I also wish I had more to speak, write, say. But you see the issues. They are not secret, they are not hard to comprehend, they are not hard to digest. We need not just the funds but the chefs, and we need not jus to continue status quo—that did not work, obviously—but to re-do things, re-set things, improve: no one liked the old logistics of power, all wanted change. This is our opportunity, and let's begin with the reconciliation, with the stakeholders, so that we can continue working on this. And one more point: OOo makes money. It makes money not just for the ecosystem stakeholders, like Ian, Jean, and many many others, including me, now—but for the stakeholders, in much the same way that an Eclipse like platform or Apache does. By providing the source technology that creates new markets. -louis On 2011-05-18, at 19:21 , Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Thu, 2011-05-19, Ian Lynch wrote: > >> if we need 10m per year lets work out strategies to generate it. >> > > +1 > > --Jean > > > -- > - > To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org > with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
On Thu, 2011-05-19, Ian Lynch wrote: > if we need 10m per year lets work out strategies to generate it. > +1 --Jean -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
On 18 May 2011 23:38, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: > > > I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but wouldn't it > be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice people? A split > community was never an ideal situation from a simple logical point of view. > Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about possibilities > without any commitment on either side can't do any harm. Maybe this is > already happening? > > Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of stiff > difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced OOo as a > revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of reconciliation. > > To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, not > irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by the larger > community. > > What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is of some > debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. We need, that is, far > more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single company can probably provide. > Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, > distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of > legacy. > > Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still needs > huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. It's about > needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, working on the > code, so that it can be reliably produced, and satisfy the most demanding > expectations. > > Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to represent OOo > at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I can, as energetically > as I can, to the world. I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do > have my share of doubts; but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, > its goal, of providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools > there are to the most people. > This is good to hear, and if we need 10m per year lets work out strategies to generate it. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
Hi, On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: > I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but wouldn't it be > an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice people? A split community > was never an ideal situation from a simple logical point of view. Ok, there > are emotional wounds to heal but talking about possibilities without any > commitment on either side can't do any harm. Maybe this is already happening? Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of reconciliation. To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by the larger community. What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single company can probably provide. Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of legacy. Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and satisfy the most demanding expectations. Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I can, as energetically as I can, to the world. I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of doubts; but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there are to the most people. -louis > > On 13 May 2011 03:40, Gozarks wrote: > Clarification please, re: license, copyright, resources... who owns > all this stuff now? Thanks, ~Christine > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts > wrote: > > I would love for there to be clarity. I am not alone. The burden of > > providing that clarification, however, does not rest with us who have no > > knowledge but on those who do. > > > > The areas where some clarity would be useful (to put it mildly) include: > > license, ownership of copyright, developer resources, and so on and so > > forth. > > > > It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology have that > > much greater insight. They do not. They may have more activity, but absent > > the energy of production, there is no production of energy. > > > > Louis > > > > > > On 2011-05-12, at 22:17 , Peter Junge wrote: > > > >> On 12.05.2011 10:01, Andy Brown wrote: > >>> Peter Junge wrote: > pong > > On 05/11/2011 09:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > ping > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > >>> > >>> > >>> Is this what we have been reduced to? > >>> > >> > >> Maybe that's one of the sad conclusion. A bit more clarity about the > >> future could certainly help ... > >> > >> Peter > >> -- > >> - > >> To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > >> For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org > >> with Subject: help > > > > -- > > - > > To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > > For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org > > with Subject: help > > > -- > - > To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org > with Subject: help > > -- > Ian > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications > The Schools ITQ > > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > You have received this email from the following company: The Learning > Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 > 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. > > -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: openoffice.ca about to expire
Hi all, I replied to Mike directly. BTW, distressingly enough, but also practically, my normal contact information is widely available not just from spammers but also from our friend Google search. Cheers Louis PS: YES I think we ought to secure the domain in Canada, land of persistent winter. On 2011-05-16, at 24:41 , Mike Gifford wrote: > My main concern is that it becomes a porn portal. > > Louis Suárez-Potts was quite interested in > the domain at one point. But he didn't respond to my earlier request to have > it transferred from us. > > I don't think there's much official OOo support in Canada. Maybe in the > Ubuntu crowd. Not that there aren't a lot of people using it. More and more > it is becoming common to find someone using this tool. > > It's possible that the http://www.documentfoundation.org are interested in > it. > > Mike > > On 2011-05-15, at 9:07 PM, Peter Junge wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> thanks for the offer. I would doubt (but someone may correct me) that Oracle >> has interest in that domain. There are several registered trademarks called >> Open Office, Openoffice etc. on this planet, which have nothing to do with >> OOo. OOo has the one and only trademark OpenOffice.org, which is registered >> by Oracle. Hence, openoffice.ca may be a legal pitfall to some extend. Isn't >> there a Canadian OOo community which might be interested? At least Louis >> lives in Canada. >> >> Best regards, >> Peter >> >> Am 14.05.2011 05:09, schrieb Mike Gifford: >>> Hello, >>> >>> We're wanting to transfer the domain name for openoffice.ca to someone >>> within the OpenOffice, but am really not sure who I should transfer >>> ownership to. I'd rather it not just be part of Oracle, but not sure if >>> there's an alternative. >>> >>> Anyways, would appreciate some thoughts on this. >>> >>> Mike > > -- > Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Inc. > Free Software for Social Change -> http://openconcept.ca > http://twitter.com/mgifford | http://delicious.com/mgifford > > -- > - > To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org > with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
