Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Nguyen Vu Hung, 06-09-2010 15:36: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Vikram Gaur wrote: Hi All, Community should have another derivative with all features and compatibilities Could anyone explain that is there any legal issue forking OOo? There is no "legal" issue. But forks shouldn't be made except when there is no other solution. As long as you submit all of your changes to existing code back, you are not a fork. Even if you call it a different name and use an own structure. That's why go-oo and other editions are not forks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Ian, 05-09-2010 17:56: And perhaps if Go-OO harbors enough supporters, it may branch off Oracle completely. Possibly, but for true independence and a chance of competing it needs an income and I don't see much evidence of capability in generating it at a level that will compete with the resource input of Oracle. So the community is largely in Oracle's hands and will be for the foreseeable future. In reality it doesn't make much sense to worry about Oracle while it puts a lot of resource into development. If it stops doing that then there is nothing much to lose from forking. We don't need to fork that right now, but we should invest more on attracting investments. That will make it easy if we have to fork in the future and will help the project, anyway. I believe that some players will focus on online office suites and the other won't help OOo if it's required to sign JCA/SCA. Google, IBM, Novel both contribute to OOo, but each one could expend ten times more, if that would benefite them. We should focus on certification, donations, etc., as ways of making it easier to maintain the project without depending on some big player. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] "Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive"
Cor Nouws, 29-08-2010 05:53: Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote (26-08-10 17:41) There is an issue with the JCA/SCA. Some people complained when it was still Sun, but with Oracle it's worse. Can you pls. tell why it's worse? It is something I missed. Sun opened Solaris development, Oracle is closing the development. They will develop parts of it on a closed basis, only integrating the code some time after selling binaries of Solaris. Even delayed, they said will still contributing with CDDL, but is not guaranteed everything will be CDDL. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] "Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive"
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Well Google didn't use open source to start with. When Java was > "liberated" it created an OpenJDK platform. Danger (the original > company that created android) forked J2ME which is NOT free. So they > had that risk from the start, they just bet that Sun would never sue > them for that. Regardless the licence of dalkiv, it is NOT a fork of J2ME. There is a GPL licence for J2ME but a big issue. For exceptions, you have to inherit from Exception. On OpenJDK, "Exception" is not GPL. That's good because it allows closed source to run on top of OpenJDK. But with J2ME, "Exception" is GPL. That means any program using any exception running on an LPGLed version of J2ME would have to be GPL. That would kill little companies and persons putting paid programs on the market place. So Google built a JVM from scratch. The issue with Oracle is software patents, not copyrights. It looks like there are some weak calls on copying code, api or docs. The issue with open source on this case is that even someone using OpenJDK may suffer from patent attack from Oracle. That's it. OpenJDK is not a full compliant specification. So, using thie "open source" piece you can suffer from patent attack. Another interesting news is that OpenSolaris won't get the code from Oracle in real time. As the licence allows, Oracle will release a binary with the new development being closed and releasing the code on CDDL months latter. That's not desired and this model is what I though Oracle could use for OOo. Release an paid binary and releases the LGPL code months latter. > Well OpenOffice.org is also carry by Novell, IBM and other companies, > however that is not the point. OpenOffice.org is not modifying Java > and forking it, also there is really no connection between Google's > success and Oracle lawsuit. Neither OpenSolaris was. And what happened? The community will have to fork or use another alternative (which is more likely to happen, because there is a project similar). I agreed with Cor, Sun spent a lot of money on OOo and other open source projects. But be aware Sun failed to monetize. Oracle bought Sun. Oracle changed the way they treat OpenSolaris (which won't be named so anymore), with intention to monetize. So... they spend a lot of money per year with OOo... how much they get in revenue? There is no guarantee they will never change the way they treat OOo. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] "Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive"
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now > Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, > several new versions a year, as much as you want? There is an issue with the JCA/SCA. Some people complained when it was still Sun, but with Oracle it's worse. All code contributed to the project is shared with Oracle. Oracle owns it and can use all the code in a closed source project. That means Oracle can use the LPGLed code and dual licence it in a closed way, without asking anyone. So, if Oracle loses money, it can make something like it's doing with OpenSolaris. It won't "kill" the project, but can invest heavily on features only on the StarOffice side. Porting to the OOo suite (LGPLing it) months latter or not porting some parts at all. Who will want to contribute to someone who makes money from your work, for free? Even in the actual scenario, some pleople may consider contributing code to the Oracle. Giving your code for free in such a way you can't regret or revoke. Just a consideration about open source licences. You can open source it, but it still YOUR code. It never will become anyone codes. The other people can use, alter, distribute, even they can use a COMPATIBLE licence if you let. The JCA/SCA means the code is not only yours, it's Oracle's code too. The same way you can close the source of your code or dual licence (tri-licence, et all), Oracle can do it too. It can close the source and *sell* the closed source to third parties. While LPGL means the LPGLed code will be free forever, they can get the LGPLed code and not contribute with LGPL anymore (since they OWN the code and can relicence it). So, after that point, they can make all efforts on the closed side and open the source if and when they want. So... considering the contributors on code inside and outside Oracle, what would happen to the project? Being an open project means we should have no fear on opening it all and investing on an OOo Foundation. Where some kind of JCA would still be applicable, but with the owner clearly not going to close the source. Not leveraging on JCA/SCA with Oracle to contribute, would free the contributors and would increase true community participation. There is a lot of people from the community which contribute to the project even with the JCA, but there are some people who doesn't. Also being free from Oracle would make it easier to fix on the community needings and that kind of "open" development would attract more contributors. Just my 2 cents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] 356,800 green workstations running BrOffice.org
Alexandro Colorado, 28-02-2009 16:11: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:00:38 -0600, Lars Noodén wrote: It appears that the computers in Brazil are using BrOffice.org. (I contacted Userful and got an answer) Someone more familiar with that package can say about how closely that counts as an OOo deployment. Regards -Lars BrOffice is OpenOffice.org in Brazil, howeve due to some trademark issues in that country OpenOffice could not be used by the brazilian project. Claudio Filho is one of the project leads of that project. I am not sure however what is the difference between actually running BrOffice and running the localized OpenOffice.org version from Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora/etc. Both just replace the branding (OpenOffice.org). However OOo provides a new package, while on Ubuntu and such the changes are more supperficial. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] 356,800 green workstations running BrOffice.org
Lars Noodén, 28-02-2009 16:00: It appears that the computers in Brazil are using BrOffice.org. (I contacted Userful and got an answer) Someone more familiar with that package can say about how closely that counts as an OOo deployment. The support for rebranding OpenOffice.org to BrOffice.org is included on the OOo codebase and those packages are built by Sun. That's just a matter of rebranding, because we are not allowed to use OpenOffice.org here. That counts 100% as OpenOffice.org. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] A different Market focus
Linda Tarrant, 03-02-2009 17:56: How do I get off this email list??? I've unsubscribed over and over!!! Linda First, you have to make sure you send the message from the same email address you receive the email from the list and you have to reply the confirmation mail. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [Marketing] Malta MarCon
Florian Effenberger, 11-01-2008 16:34: Hi Italo, Try also [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the possible variables, I've found only a text version of his email address with spaces. thank you very much, will do so! globalnet.mt is not a registered domain. global.net.mt is a registered domain and is a mail service provider. So, try the global.net.mt variants. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] "OOo" vs."OO.o"
Steven Shelton, 29-11-2007 17:26: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote: OOo is better to spell than OO.o. It is also easier to type... Plus, sentences look kinda funny when they end with OO.o. O.o is a emoticon on east asia style that means shocked. Chatzilla (Mozilla's IRC client) uses O.o and o.O for confused. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] "OOo" vs."OO.o"
Graham Lauder, 27-11-2007 19:36: On Wednesday 28 November 2007 04:05:35 Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi, what do we prefer to abridge OpenOffice.org? OOo or OO.o just curious Matthias I use OOo for ease of typing as much as anything However OO.o gives better results in Google Interesting, if completely irrelevant. :) OOo is better to spell than OO.o. It is also easier to type... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Asrail's intro
I'm here for a while but I would like to put some info about me on the list. My name is Caio Tiago Oliveira de Sousa, I'm Brazilian, computing science student (formerly graphics design student), lover of accessibility. I'm working as web-designer at UFBA (Federal University of Bahia), the same one where I study computing. I'm involved with OOo for a while, being co-lead of the QA project right now. As a former graphics design student I'm quite interested on such area. My OOo account name is asrail. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
