Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Christine Louise Beems wrote: I suspected that an MS-employee had seeded this 'complaint' before I read Leif's synopsis of what had transpired. That was my first impression as well. It's also my second and subsequent impressions, having given it some thought over the last few days. I would guess that if you scratch the surface, you will find a rat of some kind underneath, based on what I've seen around Europe first hand, what I've heard of second hand and what I've followed through OpenDocument Format discussions around the world. The attack, though almost certainly instigated by Microsoft activists, is carried out not by Microsofters directly nor by the rat (or as they say, 'fox'[1]) directly either but by proxies and probably intended to try to create a conflict where none exists and, almost certainly, to waste time. If time must be wasted, then bring in others who are not directly needed for the OOo deployment and have them respond. But don't respond to the proxies, but to the source of the problem instead if the agent provacteur cannot be readily collared. One response would be to look at the book keeping or other practices. Bring in some white collar crime experts. Deployment of Microsoft products usually indicates other 'irregularities', low hanging fruit would include illegal tenders and misappropriation of funds. I did a lot of reading in white collar crime and even consulted some experts. One characteristic is that when one person gets away with something that person tends to try to get away with more. Eventually more people are involved either by invitation or coercion or as copycats. However, do that Danish-style. Going forward means figuring out how to facilitate OOo deployment, not letting Microsofters draw the debate into *anything* else. So any solution should avoid conflict or even criticism of the proxies and not go on the defensive. Alexandro's proposal would be one possible solution that addresses the attack while still going forward: Alexandro Colorado wrote: At the same time, this could be a great "seed" project to certify the students and teachers in OOo for a simbolic ammount that will also help finalize the efforts on certification that we are already working at. So far there has been some interest in Spain to participate in an early version of the certification and apply it to their training programs for the municipalities. Well I think that this is a great opportunity to offer services and enhance the BizDev project into opportunities that allow this kind of situations to not be recurrent. We know that OOo and FLOSS doesn't always have a straightforward way to provide services. This however could change by somehow of partnership program where OOo associates can engage into solution based projects/services. We already launched this in OOoES for over a year and have gather a good network of professionals around it. I am very involved with migrators in OOo ES and have developed a framework to interact with the usual scenario of lack of sensibility, however if there most be a straight forward way to provide support like online training, documentation, migration kits and sustainable manner, the complains will considerably find themselves with very weak case. On the side this could be a way to enhance the presence of OOo as a way to create businesses. I would love to hear from OOo businesses in Denmark like: ProFOSS Xcompetence A/S BlueTel Data Aps Casalogic And have somehow of deal where OOo can develop an exchange with this companies and at the same time assist their local educational needs. Regards, /Lars [1] "Find and Lean on your insider friend, ‘the fox’. Having a trusted MSfriend in the account is critical. Some people (unix Bigots) can think of lots of reasons to not have a MS solution. MS folks may not be the strongest voice but they are true believers (Protect them, make them look good). " http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09346.pdf See also http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/?page=ComesExhN01 http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2007021720190018 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Gabriel Gurley's OpenOffice 3.0 Moodle course is at http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 It would need to be translated I suppose. I'm going to make an application to the EU in February for funding comprehensive support the OOo certification project, this year we got 276,000 Euro for an Open Source project so it is not impossible. Unfortunately it would be a two year project starting October 2010. We can launch it on OOo's birthday :-) Per Ian's citation and suggestion regarding my learning materials, please let me know if I can be of any assistance as well. My open licensed learning materials include the Moodle course package that I an cited, as well as an eBook. Paperback copies of the learning materials are also available through educational book distributors throughout the world. Best regards, Gabriel Gabriel Gurley Educator and Author Contributor - OpenOffice.org Education, Certification and Documentation Projects Web: http://www.gabrielgurley.com/ Web: http://documentation.openoffice.org/conceptualguide/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Christine Louise Beems wrote: > I suspected that an MS-employee had seeded this 'complaint' before I > read Leif's synopsis of what had transpired. That was my first impression as well. It's also my second and subsequent impressions, having given it some thought over the last few days. I would guess that if you scratch the surface, you will find a rat of some kind underneath, based on what I've seen around Europe first hand, what I've heard of second hand and what I've followed through OpenDocument Format discussions around the world. The attack, though almost certainly instigated by Microsoft activists, is carried out not by Microsofters directly nor by the rat (or as they say, 'fox'[1]) directly either but by proxies and probably intended to try to create a conflict where none exists and, almost certainly, to waste time. If time must be wasted, then bring in others who are not directly needed for the OOo deployment and have them respond. But don't respond to the proxies, but to the source of the problem instead if the agent provacteur cannot be readily collared. One response would be to look at the book keeping or other practices. Bring in some white collar crime experts. Deployment of Microsoft products usually indicates other 'irregularities', low hanging fruit would include illegal tenders and misappropriation of funds. I did a lot of reading in white collar crime and even consulted some experts. One characteristic is that when one person gets away with something that person tends to try to get away with more. Eventually more people are involved either by invitation or coercion or as copycats. However, do that Danish-style. Going forward means figuring out how to facilitate OOo deployment, not letting Microsofters draw the debate into *anything* else. So any solution should avoid conflict or even criticism of the proxies and not go on the defensive. Alexandro's proposal would be one possible solution that addresses the attack while still going forward: Alexandro Colorado wrote: > At the same time, this could be a great "seed" project to certify the > students and teachers in OOo for a simbolic ammount that will also > help finalize the efforts on certification that we are already > working at. So far there has been some interest in Spain to > participate in an early version of the certification and apply it to > their training programs for the municipalities. Regards, /Lars [1] "Find and Lean on your insider friend, ‘the fox’. Having a trusted MSfriend in the account is critical. Some people (unix Bigots) can think of lots of reasons to not have a MS solution. MS folks may not be the strongest voice but they are true believers (Protect them, make them look good). " http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09346.pdf See also http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/?page=ComesExhN01 http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2007021720190018 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Hi Leif, We all see the problems. People don't like change. Only one thing we need to do is to give them brainwashing convincing advice, why they should use the OOo rather than the MS Office? I believe they have nothing to do with the Open Source stuff. However, this is a really good practice to ask the problems from pupils. Let's wait and see what the problems are. Maybe, we should let them know we are working hard to contribute, to improve and we do have the bright future. Cheers Chao from Redflag -- From: "leif" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:41 AM To: Subject: Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students" Hi all, I had a meeting with the CIO at the municipality this morning. Yesterday he had a meeting with representatives for the children and teachers. There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They are still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to use a new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project. We agreed that I will help the CIO to find some training material that can be distributed. The pupils will make a follow up soon, to point out what the problems are. I will get that list and pass it on to the developers. best regards, Leif Lodahl Per Eriksson skrev: Hi Leif, Thank you for the clearifications. When the meeting is done, could you please summarize what that community can do to help in this matter? Best Regards Per Eriksson leif skrev 2010-01-09 13:00: The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where backing up the decision. The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a child. It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org or the children. It's about information and instructions. The information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. Best regards, Leif Lodahl Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org John McCreesh skrev: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ian wrote: On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 19:41 +0100, leif wrote: Hi all, I had a meeting with the CIO at the municipality this morning. Yesterday he had a meeting with representatives for the children and teachers. There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They are still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to use a new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project. We agreed that I will help the CIO to find some training material that can be distributed. Gabriel Gurley's OpenOffice 3.0 Moodle course is at http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 It would need to be translated I suppose. I'm going to make an application to the EU in February for funding comprehensive support the OOo certification project, this year we got 276,000 Euro for an Open Source project so it is not impossible. Unfortunately it would be a two year project starting October 2010. We can launch it on OOo's birthday :-) At the same time, this could be a great "seed" project to certify the students and teachers in OOo for a simbolic ammount that will also help finalize the efforts on certification that we are already working at. So far there has been some interest in Spain to participate in an early version of the certification and apply it to their training programs for the municipalities. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 19:41 +0100, leif wrote: > Hi all, > I had a meeting with the CIO at the municipality this morning. > > Yesterday he had a meeting with representatives for the children and > teachers. > > There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They > are still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to > use a new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new > computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project. > > We agreed that I will help the CIO to find some training material that > can be distributed. Gabriel Gurley's OpenOffice 3.0 Moodle course is at http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 It would need to be translated I suppose. I'm going to make an application to the EU in February for funding comprehensive support the OOo certification project, this year we got 276,000 Euro for an Open Source project so it is not impossible. Unfortunately it would be a two year project starting October 2010. We can launch it on OOo's birthday :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Hi leif, leif wrote: > Hi all, > > There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They > are still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to > use a new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new > computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project. How about giving the students a disk with OpenOffice.org so that it could be installed on their home computers? That would help remove part of the problem. The availability of training materials would then be added to that to "convert" them to OO.o. Just a thought. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Hi all, I had a meeting with the CIO at the municipality this morning. Yesterday he had a meeting with representatives for the children and teachers. There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They are still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to use a new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project. We agreed that I will help the CIO to find some training material that can be distributed. The pupils will make a follow up soon, to point out what the problems are. I will get that list and pass it on to the developers. best regards, Leif Lodahl Per Eriksson skrev: Hi Leif, Thank you for the clearifications. When the meeting is done, could you please summarize what that community can do to help in this matter? Best Regards Per Eriksson leif skrev 2010-01-09 13:00: The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where backing up the decision. The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a child. It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org or the children. It's about information and instructions. The information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. Best regards, Leif Lodahl Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org John McCreesh skrev: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
I suspected that an MS-employee had seeded this 'complaint' before I read Leif's synopsis of what had transpired. Remember that posting a while back about MS seeking folks to work on countering OOo's encroachment into (what they think of as) 'their' marketshare? Whether this particular 'school children complain' thread is part of a purposefuly (viral campaign) marketing strategy or simply the reactive disenfranchisement of an isolated vendor, we can (sadly) probably expect to see more of this as it is 'the game' in the closed-source universe. And it is stuff like this that we (as OOo marketing) must be aware of, on the look-out for, and have a pre-thought (strategic) 'plan of action' so that when something like this arises we have already positioned ourselves to utilize such events (some would say 'attacks') as springboard-opportunities to leverage beneficial brand-name building from 'complaints'. ~Christine - Original Message ----- From: "leif" To: Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students" The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where backing up the decision. The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a child. It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org or the children. It's about information and instructions. The information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. Best regards, Leif Lodahl Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org John McCreesh skrev: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:00 +0100, leif wrote: > The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement > OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from > the beginning backed up by the local politicians. > I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well > known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him > that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him > on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. You might like to point out that we have UK government accredited certification that is backed by an EU Transfer of Innovation grant that has already certificated several thousand primary school children in the UK and South Africa. Assessment criteria for the lowest level certificate are at http://theingots.org/community/Bronze1 We are building open source web based supporting materials eg http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/puzzle/start.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/ship/ship.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/pexeso/pexeso.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/domino/domino.htm We are planning to apply for funding to do a similar treatment specific to OOo as part of the certification project. We are also about to meat with EPICT who I believe have quite a significant presence in Danish teacher certification for ICT. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Hi Leif, Thank you for the clearifications. When the meeting is done, could you please summarize what that community can do to help in this matter? Best Regards Per Eriksson leif skrev 2010-01-09 13:00: The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where backing up the decision. The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a child. It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org or the children. It's about information and instructions. The information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. Best regards, Leif Lodahl Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org John McCreesh skrev: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where backing up the decision. The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a child. It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org or the children. It's about information and instructions. The information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. Best regards, Leif Lodahl Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org John McCreesh skrev: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 10:47 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm mainly thinking a couple of things: > > Appearently problems regarding support for other file formats is still > creating problems for people. I however do know that the Hamburg team is > working on it. We could ask developers to please prioritize on things > like interop with older binary formats, but still it's the developers' call. > > When reading the text, it also mentions problems with exams, worries for > the future, and the product packaging. > * Exams: Do we have a team working with leading exam institutes in the > office productivity spectrum to discuss our product? We have an OOo certification project. I also run a UK government accredited awarding body and meet regularly with other IT exam providers. There are two types of IT qualification, one is directly targeted on vendor products eg Microsoft MOUS etc, the other is generic qualifications that are more about transferable skills and don't specify the use of particular products eg INGOTs. To an extent ICDL is generic but it has been strongly associated with MS Office for many years and the vast majority of supporting materials are targeted on MS Office. We are planning an EU funded project to support OOo certification. This will be based on generic assessment criteria but with specific support for OOo so that we have a comparable "vendor" certification that is compatible with the European Qualifications Framework (EQF). In the UK, government funding is dependent on qualifications meeting certain criteria - they must be endorsed by a Sector Skills Council as supporting the sector qualifications strategy and that means the assessment has to be compatible with the National Occupational Standards. In the UK this has been aligned with the EQF but it could be different in other countries. There is an EU directive for all countries to align their qualifications to the EQF by 2010 but that deadline is not likely to be met. In schools in the UK a compulsory move to OOo would cause some problems because some things would no doubt break. OTOH there is more encouragement to make that change and in setting up the INGOTs we provided an alternative accredited qualification that is designed to be independent of proprietary software and encourages learning about the importance of open systems. This means both teachers and students can use MS Office but they will learn enough to make informed decisions about alternatives in the future. Then it is up to them. Personally I think this is a better and more "educational" approach, but a lot depends on how centrally controlled the education system is. IN the UK individual schools make purchasing decisions - although that is changing to more local groups of schools with IT. In a country where central government decrees what software is purchased for all schools its all or nothing. Of course central purchasing will also show clearly the huge amounts of money that can be saved by considering the cost of licenses collectively. > * Product packaging: provide something like a "Works better together" > (taken from Amazon :)) which would make examples of software that works > excellent with ours? > > Best Regards > > Per Eriksson > > John McCreesh skrev 2010-01-09 10:33: > > "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish > > Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools > > on to FOSS productivity software?" > > > > http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm > > > > John > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
Hi John, I'm mainly thinking a couple of things: Appearently problems regarding support for other file formats is still creating problems for people. I however do know that the Hamburg team is working on it. We could ask developers to please prioritize on things like interop with older binary formats, but still it's the developers' call. When reading the text, it also mentions problems with exams, worries for the future, and the product packaging. * Exams: Do we have a team working with leading exam institutes in the office productivity spectrum to discuss our product? * Product packaging: provide something like a "Works better together" (taken from Amazon :)) which would make examples of software that works excellent with ours? Best Regards Per Eriksson John McCreesh skrev 2010-01-09 10:33: "Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"
"Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software?" http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project co-Lead - OpenOffice.org The 2010 office software of choice - http://why.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
