Re: [Fwd: Re: [commons-site] Alternate Horizontal Project Navigation]
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:55, Mark R. Diggory wrote: I thought it'd be good to forward this onto you Crazy Maven Developers. What do you think about horizontal project navigation: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html What you have in the tabs across the top is akin to what I would like to see as the first entries on the left in the navigation. Maybe we can have the umbrella navi somehow tabbed somewhere in the banner/breadcrumb and the Project Navigation on the left, I'll play with it a little more. I honestly don't much like the tabs and like the navigation in the nav bar on the left or in the breadcrumb bar. But, experimentation may show alternatives can capture the project/subproject navigation issue better. I think having navigation in the body of the page with the content isn't a good thing. I've also heard this on the Commons list and do agree. I think people will naturally look to the upper left (as the majority of people dealing with computer stuff use English as the primary language which reads left to right) to find things of importance and that's where I would honestly like to see the things of navigational importance go. yep I've given up on trying to make the sites all look exactly the same as far as colour and general style but I would really, really not like to see each project start changing the navigation style. I realize the currently generated site is lacking in terms of ease of use but I would like to incorporate any ideas like you have into the standard xdoc plugin so that the sites being generated remain functioning the same at least in terms of navigational style. I do agree in having sensible and consistent defaults, but people (especially developers) always tend to want to customize and enjoy a tools that can be customized and expanded upon. -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Re: [commons-site] Alternate Horizontal Project Navigation]
I thought it'd be good to forward this onto you Crazy Maven Developers. What do you think about horizontal project navigation: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Original Message Ok I added the following: 1.) first three navi levels stay the same height if content present or not. 2.) nested custom project documentation menus under About Project (requires special formating (and menu/@type=tab attribute to be visible there). 3.) disabled Development Process button (working on removing it). As an example of three levels being filled: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Tim O'Brien wrote: I think this helps. Although the About Math tab should have a blank subtab for consistency. ...now the left nav - it is s busy. Tim Mark R. Diggory wrote: I worked out the kinks on an alternate project navigation, please have a look and comment: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/project-info.html Pro's 1.) Navigation better integrated into page layout. 2.) Horizontal positioning at top of page more traditional for navigation. 3.) Strong CSS control over look and feel, 0% javascript 4.) Clearly separates Shared Commons Navigation from Individual Project Navigation. Con's 1.) Limits number of items on a level to the width of the page (although it does provide wrapping when items are greater than width). 2.) Currently limited to menus nested three levels deep. (but easily extendable to more). 3.) Currently doesn't integrate custom project navigation. (but could easily be adapted for such support, I had initially included it, but encountered small issues with merging two separate menu sets). I think its important to clearly separate the Projects Navigation from the overall shared Commons Navigation, I believe positioning them in very separate locations of the site gives the user a much clearer path and ease in determining the level of the site they are within. -Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [commons-site] Alternate Horizontal Project Navigation]
Personally, I like how it works with an umbrella project (Jakarta), but really don't like the current contrast of the menus. It's hard to read, and hard to visually pull out the link breaks. But I'd say it's really close to being a nice alternative. Just my 2c. -john On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:55, Mark R. Diggory wrote: I thought it'd be good to forward this onto you Crazy Maven Developers. What do you think about horizontal project navigation: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Original Message Ok I added the following: 1.) first three navi levels stay the same height if content present or not. 2.) nested custom project documentation menus under About Project (requires special formating (and menu/@type=tab attribute to be visible there). 3.) disabled Development Process button (working on removing it). As an example of three levels being filled: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Tim O'Brien wrote: I think this helps. Although the About Math tab should have a blank subtab for consistency. ...now the left nav - it is s busy. Tim Mark R. Diggory wrote: I worked out the kinks on an alternate project navigation, please have a look and comment: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/project-info.html Pro's 1.) Navigation better integrated into page layout. 2.) Horizontal positioning at top of page more traditional for navigation. 3.) Strong CSS control over look and feel, 0% javascript 4.) Clearly separates Shared Commons Navigation from Individual Project Navigation. Con's 1.) Limits number of items on a level to the width of the page (although it does provide wrapping when items are greater than width). 2.) Currently limited to menus nested three levels deep. (but easily extendable to more). 3.) Currently doesn't integrate custom project navigation. (but could easily be adapted for such support, I had initially included it, but encountered small issues with merging two separate menu sets). I think its important to clearly separate the Projects Navigation from the overall shared Commons Navigation, I believe positioning them in very separate locations of the site gives the user a much clearer path and ease in determining the level of the site they are within. -Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- John Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommonJava Open Components Project http://www.commonjava.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [commons-site] Alternate Horizontal Project Navigation]
Can you make any recommendations on colors for tab background or fonts that would be better? I'm think of maybe using the h1 background color for the active tabs (blue) with the h2 class as the bgcolor for inactive tabs. I also was going to use a css property to place a pipe delimiter between the menu options, I glad someone else recognized value in this as well. -Mark John Casey wrote: Personally, I like how it works with an umbrella project (Jakarta), but really don't like the current contrast of the menus. It's hard to read, and hard to visually pull out the link breaks. But I'd say it's really close to being a nice alternative. Just my 2c. -john On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:55, Mark R. Diggory wrote: I thought it'd be good to forward this onto you Crazy Maven Developers. What do you think about horizontal project navigation: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Original Message Ok I added the following: 1.) first three navi levels stay the same height if content present or not. 2.) nested custom project documentation menus under About Project (requires special formating (and menu/@type=tab attribute to be visible there). 3.) disabled Development Process button (working on removing it). As an example of three levels being filled: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Tim O'Brien wrote: I think this helps. Although the About Math tab should have a blank subtab for consistency. ...now the left nav - it is s busy. Tim Mark R. Diggory wrote: I worked out the kinks on an alternate project navigation, please have a look and comment: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/project-info.html Pro's 1.) Navigation better integrated into page layout. 2.) Horizontal positioning at top of page more traditional for navigation. 3.) Strong CSS control over look and feel, 0% javascript 4.) Clearly separates Shared Commons Navigation from Individual Project Navigation. Con's 1.) Limits number of items on a level to the width of the page (although it does provide wrapping when items are greater than width). 2.) Currently limited to menus nested three levels deep. (but easily extendable to more). 3.) Currently doesn't integrate custom project navigation. (but could easily be adapted for such support, I had initially included it, but encountered small issues with merging two separate menu sets). I think its important to clearly separate the Projects Navigation from the overall shared Commons Navigation, I believe positioning them in very separate locations of the site gives the user a much clearer path and ease in determining the level of the site they are within. -Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: [commons-site] Alternate Horizontal Project Navigation]
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:55, Mark R. Diggory wrote: I thought it'd be good to forward this onto you Crazy Maven Developers. What do you think about horizontal project navigation: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html What you have in the tabs across the top is akin to what I would like to see as the first entries on the left in the navigation. I honestly don't much like the tabs and like the navigation in the nav bar on the left or in the breadcrumb bar. I think having navigation in the body of the page with the content isn't a good thing. I think people will naturally look to the upper left (as the majority of people dealing with computer stuff use English as the primary language which reads left to right) to find things of importance and that's where I would honestly like to see the things of navigational importance go. I've given up on trying to make the sites all look exactly the same as far as colour and general style but I would really, really not like to see each project start changing the navigation style. I realize the currently generated site is lacking in terms of ease of use but I would like to incorporate any ideas like you have into the standard xdoc plugin so that the sites being generated remain functioning the same at least in terms of navigational style. -Mark Original Message Ok I added the following: 1.) first three navi levels stay the same height if content present or not. 2.) nested custom project documentation menus under About Project (requires special formating (and menu/@type=tab attribute to be visible there). 3.) disabled Development Process button (working on removing it). As an example of three levels being filled: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/userguide/index.html -Mark Tim O'Brien wrote: I think this helps. Although the About Math tab should have a blank subtab for consistency. ...now the left nav - it is s busy. Tim Mark R. Diggory wrote: I worked out the kinks on an alternate project navigation, please have a look and comment: http://www.apache.org/~mdiggory/commons/math/project-info.html Pro's 1.) Navigation better integrated into page layout. 2.) Horizontal positioning at top of page more traditional for navigation. 3.) Strong CSS control over look and feel, 0% javascript 4.) Clearly separates Shared Commons Navigation from Individual Project Navigation. Con's 1.) Limits number of items on a level to the width of the page (although it does provide wrapping when items are greater than width). 2.) Currently limited to menus nested three levels deep. (but easily extendable to more). 3.) Currently doesn't integrate custom project navigation. (but could easily be adapted for such support, I had initially included it, but encountered small issues with merging two separate menu sets). I think its important to clearly separate the Projects Navigation from the overall shared Commons Navigation, I believe positioning them in very separate locations of the site gives the user a much clearer path and ease in determining the level of the site they are within. -Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://maven.apache.org happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come and sit softly on your shoulder ... -- Thoreau - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
