Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Brett Porter wrote: When we implement something like , so that these can say "treat me like the real one if it ever turns up", then this is probably a reasonably expedient way. The meaning of is really "i am the real one, but an equivalent _will_ show up". I'd much rather they use a private repo where they can do what they want until they get it into ibiblio. I think that's a better solution. WDYT? That's probably the best solution. Anyone can still build against a project hosted repository and it stays out of the ibiblio population. Then the project can take whatever measures to get the real dependencies to ibiblio but everything can still function. Sounds like a good concept to promote. - Brett Jason van Zyl wrote: Brett Porter wrote: That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the servicemix groupId. This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. Projects are always going to do this for the sake of expediency and under the license they can. They obviously did this as not to claim to have provided the official JARs which I think is correct and being a good citizen. This is going to happen again I'm sure because projects don't want to push the official project JARs into the repository. For highly used components do we just push them in, maybe a flag on the dependency to indicate this scenerio? We definitely prefer that projects themselves issue to the repository but this isn't always going to happen and we should probably account for it. Jason van Zyl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
When we implement something like , so that these can say "treat me like the real one if it ever turns up", then this is probably a reasonably expedient way. I'd much rather they use a private repo where they can do what they want until they get it into ibiblio. I think that's a better solution. WDYT? - Brett Jason van Zyl wrote: > Brett Porter wrote: >> That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the servicemix >> groupId. >> >> This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to >> express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get >> two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. > > Projects are always going to do this for the sake of expediency and > under the license they can. > > They obviously did this as not to claim to have provided the official > JARs which I think is correct and being a good citizen. This is going to > happen again I'm sure because projects don't want to push the official > project JARs into the repository. For highly used components do we just > push them in, maybe a flag on the dependency to indicate this scenerio? > > We definitely prefer that projects themselves issue to the repository > but this isn't always going to happen and we should probably account for > it. > > Jason van Zyl > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Brett Porter wrote: That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the servicemix groupId. This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. Projects are always going to do this for the sake of expediency and under the license they can. They obviously did this as not to claim to have provided the official JARs which I think is correct and being a good citizen. This is going to happen again I'm sure because projects don't want to push the official project JARs into the repository. For highly used components do we just push them in, maybe a flag on the dependency to indicate this scenerio? We definitely prefer that projects themselves issue to the repository but this isn't always going to happen and we should probably account for it. Jason van Zyl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Brett Porter wrote on Monday, March 06, 2006 2:44 PM: > You're new to this, aren't you? Everything's Maven's fault! :) Ups. Right, sorry, I forgot! Damn Maven gets anything wrong ... :D > Yes, you are right. Anyway, I've pinged a couple of the guys on the > project. Just like the jMock guys always pretend, it is helping a dev to get their architecture right, Maven is doing the same for deps - a whole new use case ;-) - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
You're new to this, aren't you? Everything's Maven's fault! :) Yes, you are right. Anyway, I've pinged a couple of the guys on the project. - Brett Jörg Schaible wrote: > Brett Porter wrote on Monday, March 06, 2006 2:29 PM: > >> That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the >> servicemix groupId. >> >> This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to >> express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get >> two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. > > Well, - apart from wasted space on ibiblio - this is ServiceMix' problem. Any > application using ServiceMix and OSCi will have the same problem, wether they > use Maven or something else to build their app. As soon as one of their > customers has another 3rdParty component with an OSCi dependency (or one of > all the other assimilated packages), this customer will get in trouble. > > - Jörg > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Brett Porter wrote on Monday, March 06, 2006 2:29 PM: > That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the > servicemix groupId. > > This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to > express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get > two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. Well, - apart from wasted space on ibiblio - this is ServiceMix' problem. Any application using ServiceMix and OSCi will have the same problem, wether they use Maven or something else to build their app. As soon as one of their customers has another 3rdParty component with an OSCi dependency (or one of all the other assimilated packages), this customer will get in trouble. - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
That's exactly the problem in this case - they're all in the servicemix groupId. This becomes harmful in transitive dependencies, as there's no way to express equivalence. So if you depend on OSGi and ServiceMix, you get two copies of OSGi, and all its dependencies. - Brett Jason van Zyl wrote: > Brett Porter wrote: >> Sure, but they don't really need to redistribute half of eclipse >> themselves. > > How about a simple rule of not allowing the deployment of anything > outside that projects groupId. In the case of external dependencies I'm > not sure what the best route is because one project could potentially > harm another project where snapshots are involved or simply accidentally > where an artifact is named incorrectly and overwrites a correctly > deployed version. > > In this case we could make projects use their groupId so those > externally pulled in deps can't pollute the repository it only affects > that project. I think this would be a decent compromise as it lets > projects redistribute according to the license covering the artifacts > but they can't harm others. I'm not sure we can easily enforce this now > but something the repository manager could do. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Brett Porter wrote: Sure, but they don't really need to redistribute half of eclipse themselves. How about a simple rule of not allowing the deployment of anything outside that projects groupId. In the case of external dependencies I'm not sure what the best route is because one project could potentially harm another project where snapshots are involved or simply accidentally where an artifact is named incorrectly and overwrites a correctly deployed version. In this case we could make projects use their groupId so those externally pulled in deps can't pollute the repository it only affects that project. I think this would be a decent compromise as it lets projects redistribute according to the license covering the artifacts but they can't harm others. I'm not sure we can easily enforce this now but something the repository manager could do. - Brett Carlos Sanchez wrote: servicemix is in progress of migrating to m2 and theri artifacts will be at org.apache.servicemix groupid On 3/5/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moderation is something we'd all like. Getting there. This is not pretty. I will find out what's going on. - Brett Giorgio Gallo wrote: Hi! I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). This email is to let you know i stumbled into http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I could give you my word as a Spaniard. No good. I've known too many Spaniards. -- The Princess Bride - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
we'll make sure they don't do ;) the version in svn is becoming clear On 3/5/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, but they don't really need to redistribute half of eclipse themselves. > > - Brett > > Carlos Sanchez wrote: > > servicemix is in progress of migrating to m2 and theri artifacts will > > be at org.apache.servicemix groupid > > > > On 3/5/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Moderation is something we'd all like. Getting there. > >> > >> This is not pretty. I will find out what's going on. > >> > >> - Brett > >> > >> Giorgio Gallo wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from > >>> http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find > >>> anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. > >>> > >>> Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). > >>> > >>> This email is to let you know i stumbled into > >>> http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far > >>> too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). > >>> > >>> I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain > >>> and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > I could give you my word as a Spaniard. > > No good. I've known too many Spaniards. > > -- The Princess Bride > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- I could give you my word as a Spaniard. No good. I've known too many Spaniards. -- The Princess Bride - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Sure, but they don't really need to redistribute half of eclipse themselves. - Brett Carlos Sanchez wrote: > servicemix is in progress of migrating to m2 and theri artifacts will > be at org.apache.servicemix groupid > > On 3/5/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Moderation is something we'd all like. Getting there. >> >> This is not pretty. I will find out what's going on. >> >> - Brett >> >> Giorgio Gallo wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from >>> http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find >>> anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. >>> >>> Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). >>> >>> This email is to let you know i stumbled into >>> http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far >>> too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). >>> >>> I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain >>> and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > -- > I could give you my word as a Spaniard. > No good. I've known too many Spaniards. > -- The Princess Bride > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
servicemix is in progress of migrating to m2 and theri artifacts will be at org.apache.servicemix groupid On 3/5/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moderation is something we'd all like. Getting there. > > This is not pretty. I will find out what's going on. > > - Brett > > Giorgio Gallo wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from > > http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find > > anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. > > > > Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). > > > > This email is to let you know i stumbled into > > http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far > > too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). > > > > I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain > > and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- I could give you my word as a Spaniard. No good. I've known too many Spaniards. -- The Princess Bride - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
Moderation is something we'd all like. Getting there. This is not pretty. I will find out what's going on. - Brett Giorgio Gallo wrote: > Hi! > > I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from > http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find > anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. > > Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). > > This email is to let you know i stumbled into > http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far > too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). > > I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain > and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [M2 REPO] mess in /servicemix
The Codehaus Jira, Project Maven Evangelism (MEV) is the place to file bugs with comments like these: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MEV "This is a mess" is probably not going to result in a good fix. From the page: "Please note that we don't have full knowledge of the projects whose jars are in the repository, so if you don't provide a solution we won't be able to fix issues that require project knowledge and we'll be forced to close your issue as incomplete." As for wishing you could "moderate" the m2 repo, I'm sure you're not alone. Wayne On 3/1/06, Giorgio Gallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > I'm sorry to write at an inappropriate address (got this from > http://maven.apache.org/project-faq.html) - I just couldn't find > anything like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar. > > Please forward to a more appropriate one (if there is one). > > This email is to let you know i stumbled into > http://www.ibiblio.org/maven2/servicemix/ and - I fear - there is far > too mutch stuff in there (eg: eclipse components, xalan, xerces, ...). > > I would also like to suggest creating some kind of facility to mantain > and "moderate" the m2 repo (I'm ready to help if needed). > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
