Re: Eclipse as a dependency
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.comwrote: On 2009-09-25, at 10:47 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.com wrote: I wouldn't recommend using that. Let the Eclipse folks do it properly. They want to do it so we should help them in whatever capacity we can. Having read through the bug report provided by Jesse ( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283745) I get the feeling that they are not keen to provide any resources to support this, because it diverts resources from other entire community activities. I know there are enough people in the Maven community that would like to see this done, so I expect it will fall on us to do the implementation work. Please don't start making unfounded assumptions, it really doesn't help. What we really need is someone from the Eclipse side who is willing to spend time explaining, guiding and providing advice to get this done. Does anyone have the necessary contacts at Eclipse to get such a person? Yes, I talk to folks on the board on a pretty regular basis. I also talk to Mike Milinkovich and he wants to generally help setup proper Maven repositories at Eclipse. Folks like Oisin O'Hurley and Jeff McAffer have also expressed an interest in helping. Sonatype is actually a member, and Webtide is also at Eclipse with Jetty and they build with Maven so it's all getting done. You have to understand that Eclipse is far more rigorous with releases and generally the planning of their infrastructure. If artifacts are produced for a Maven repository it will be done with the knowledge and input of all the projects at Eclipse. And their infrastructure people know that this requires proper support, dedicated hardware and interoperability plans between Maven repositories and P2 repositories. Just dumping a bunch of translated artifacts doesn't really help anyone in the long term. Ok, I dont mean to sound unhelpful. What I mean was that since the pain is felt more keenly by the Maven community it is more likely that we will scratch the itch first. What I would like to do is to get some visibility into who is working on this, what are the issues and what can we do to help. Are you able to provide any more enlightenment?
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
On 2009-09-27, at 3:01 AM, Barrie Treloar wrote: Ok, I dont mean to sound unhelpful. What I mean was that since the pain is felt more keenly by the Maven community it is more likely that we will scratch the itch first. Which is exactly what's happening. The Jetty developers have a need at Eclipse to build with Maven which is where the drive has come from. What I would like to do is to get some visibility into who is working on this, what are the issues and what can we do to help. Are you able to provide any more enlightenment? All in public view: bug 283745 Participate as you like. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl --
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
On 2009-09-27, at 9:54 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On 2009-09-27, at 3:01 AM, Barrie Treloar wrote: Ok, I dont mean to sound unhelpful. What I mean was that since the pain is felt more keenly by the Maven community it is more likely that we will scratch the itch first. Which is exactly what's happening. The Jetty developers have a need at Eclipse to build with Maven which is where the drive has come from. What I would like to do is to get some visibility into who is working on this, what are the issues and what can we do to help. Are you able to provide any more enlightenment? All in public view: bug 283745 Sorry, here's the full link. https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283745 Participate as you like. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
On 2009-09-25, at 10:47 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.comwrote: I wouldn't recommend using that. Let the Eclipse folks do it properly. They want to do it so we should help them in whatever capacity we can. Having read through the bug report provided by Jesse ( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283745) I get the feeling that they are not keen to provide any resources to support this, because it diverts resources from other entire community activities. I know there are enough people in the Maven community that would like to see this done, so I expect it will fall on us to do the implementation work. Please don't start making unfounded assumptions, it really doesn't help. What we really need is someone from the Eclipse side who is willing to spend time explaining, guiding and providing advice to get this done. Does anyone have the necessary contacts at Eclipse to get such a person? Yes, I talk to folks on the board on a pretty regular basis. I also talk to Mike Milinkovich and he wants to generally help setup proper Maven repositories at Eclipse. Folks like Oisin O'Hurley and Jeff McAffer have also expressed an interest in helping. Sonatype is actually a member, and Webtide is also at Eclipse with Jetty and they build with Maven so it's all getting done. You have to understand that Eclipse is far more rigorous with releases and generally the planning of their infrastructure. If artifacts are produced for a Maven repository it will be done with the knowledge and input of all the projects at Eclipse. And their infrastructure people know that this requires proper support, dedicated hardware and interoperability plans between Maven repositories and P2 repositories. Just dumping a bunch of translated artifacts doesn't really help anyone in the long term. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
The Eclipse folks are working themselves on making the Eclipse bundles available in a Maven repository. On 2009-09-25, at 6:59 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283745 -- jesse mcconnell jesse.mcconn...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 09:46, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.com wrote: The Eclipse folks are working themselves on making the Eclipse bundles available in a Maven repository. On 2009-09-25, at 6:59 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
Try http://repo2.maven.org/eclipse/ Regards, Garvin LeClaire garvin.lecla...@gmail.com On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
I wouldn't recommend using that. Let the Eclipse folks do it properly. They want to do it so we should help them in whatever capacity we can. On 2009-09-25, at 8:18 AM, Garvin LeClaire wrote: Try http://repo2.maven.org/eclipse/ Regards, Garvin LeClaire garvin.lecla...@gmail.com On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
Sounds, good. I just used mvnrepository.com to do a quick search and saw a number of pieces for eclipse deployed. I don't know if the needed package is there, but it may be a start. Regards, Garvin LeClaire garvin.lecla...@gmail.com On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: I wouldn't recommend using that. Let the Eclipse folks do it properly. They want to do it so we should help them in whatever capacity we can. On 2009-09-25, at 8:18 AM, Garvin LeClaire wrote: Try http://repo2.maven.org/eclipse/ Regards, Garvin LeClaire garvin.lecla...@gmail.com On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: No idea in the dev list ? Sent from my iPhone On 25 sept. 2009, at 11:00, Emmanuel Hugonnet ehsavoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a small Maven plugin which uses the Eclipse code formatter to format my code. I would like to release it but the available librairies of Eclipse are quite old and I don't want my users to have Eclipse installed (that's the whole point of the plugin). Is there a repository with Eclipse jars somewhere ? I think that m2eclipse/tycho should be using them but I can't seem to find the jars. What's the policy concerning these jars ? Thans, Emmanuel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Eclipse as a dependency
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.comwrote: I wouldn't recommend using that. Let the Eclipse folks do it properly. They want to do it so we should help them in whatever capacity we can. Having read through the bug report provided by Jesse ( https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283745) I get the feeling that they are not keen to provide any resources to support this, because it diverts resources from other entire community activities. I know there are enough people in the Maven community that would like to see this done, so I expect it will fall on us to do the implementation work. What we really need is someone from the Eclipse side who is willing to spend time explaining, guiding and providing advice to get this done. Does anyone have the necessary contacts at Eclipse to get such a person?
