Re: MINA at JavaOne 2008 - idea wanted
Yeah I am in agreement with Mike. An architectural overview...and an example (heck use AHC vs HttpClient) and show how it scales. That will get ooohs and ahhhs. Jeff Mike Heath wrote: One of the problems I've had when promoting MINA is that most Java developers don't understand the scalability implications of the thread-per-connection architecture. If I jump right in with how cool MINA is with its separation of concerns, futures, filters, event mechanism, simplifies packet fragmentation problems, etc., the audience either gets lost or replies with something like, Using InputStreamsis just as flexible as filters but doesn't come with all the difficulties of having to build a state machine. MINA just makes things complicated! However, if I start out showing how quickly I get an OOM exception when using a thread-per-connection architecture and then show how I can handle thousands of connections in MINA without consuming loads of memory, the audience is able to better understand the main problem that MINA solves. Showing how painful it is to use NIO directly is fairly simple at this point. The important part is making sure the audience understands the need for the functionality that NIO has to offer. Once the audience understands the problems MINA solves, I've found they're usually much more receptive to the coolness that MINA has to offer. Just my $0.02. -Mike 이희승 (Trustin Lee) wrote: Hi, I was invited as a speaker of JavaOne 2008 and will speak about Apache MINA there. Please feel free to contact me to give me some idea about what you want to hear about MINA if you have any plan to attend this year's JavaOne. Cheers, Trustin
Re: MINA at JavaOne 2008 - idea wanted
One of the problems I've had when promoting MINA is that most Java developers don't understand the scalability implications of the thread-per-connection architecture. If I jump right in with how cool MINA is with its separation of concerns, futures, filters, event mechanism, simplifies packet fragmentation problems, etc., the audience either gets lost or replies with something like, Using InputStreamsis just as flexible as filters but doesn't come with all the difficulties of having to build a state machine. MINA just makes things complicated! However, if I start out showing how quickly I get an OOM exception when using a thread-per-connection architecture and then show how I can handle thousands of connections in MINA without consuming loads of memory, the audience is able to better understand the main problem that MINA solves. Showing how painful it is to use NIO directly is fairly simple at this point. The important part is making sure the audience understands the need for the functionality that NIO has to offer. Once the audience understands the problems MINA solves, I've found they're usually much more receptive to the coolness that MINA has to offer. Just my $0.02. -Mike 이희승 (Trustin Lee) wrote: Hi, I was invited as a speaker of JavaOne 2008 and will speak about Apache MINA there. Please feel free to contact me to give me some idea about what you want to hear about MINA if you have any plan to attend this year's JavaOne. Cheers, Trustin
Re: MINA at JavaOne 2008 - idea wanted
I think it would be also interesting to discuss the higher-level appeal of MINA. For anyone not familiar with it at the talk, I think the amazing thing about MINA is how easily you can create really robust, high performance clients and servers for any protocol extremely quickly -- the advantages of the abstractions in the API. It gives developers incredible latitude to implement existing protocols and/or to create completely new ones. That's a huge gift and a major boost for maximizing the creative potential of developers on the Internet. -Adam On Feb 12, 2008 3:47 AM, Julien Vermillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:18:52 -0500 이희승 (Trustin Lee) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was invited as a speaker of JavaOne 2008 and will speak about Apache MINA there. Please feel free to contact me to give me some idea about what you want to hear about MINA if you have any plan to attend this year's JavaOne. Cheers, Trustin I have no plan to attend to JavaOne :) but here want I would like to hear : # 2.0 new features and API # presentation of new Apache apps using MINA : - FTPServer - AHC - Aweb - ... -- http://www.littleshoot.org Open Source, Open Standards, Open Data
Re: MINA at JavaOne 2008 - idea wanted
Jeff Genender wrote: Yeah I am in agreement with Mike. An architectural overview...and an example (heck use AHC vs HttpClient) and show how it scales. That will get ooohs and ahhhs. Jeff +1, using a protocol that a lot of developers people are actually familiar with would help a lot. -Mike Mike Heath wrote: One of the problems I've had when promoting MINA is that most Java developers don't understand the scalability implications of the thread-per-connection architecture. If I jump right in with how cool MINA is with its separation of concerns, futures, filters, event mechanism, simplifies packet fragmentation problems, etc., the audience either gets lost or replies with something like, Using InputStreamsis just as flexible as filters but doesn't come with all the difficulties of having to build a state machine. MINA just makes things complicated! However, if I start out showing how quickly I get an OOM exception when using a thread-per-connection architecture and then show how I can handle thousands of connections in MINA without consuming loads of memory, the audience is able to better understand the main problem that MINA solves. Showing how painful it is to use NIO directly is fairly simple at this point. The important part is making sure the audience understands the need for the functionality that NIO has to offer. Once the audience understands the problems MINA solves, I've found they're usually much more receptive to the coolness that MINA has to offer. Just my $0.02. -Mike 이희승 (Trustin Lee) wrote: Hi, I was invited as a speaker of JavaOne 2008 and will speak about Apache MINA there. Please feel free to contact me to give me some idea about what you want to hear about MINA if you have any plan to attend this year's JavaOne. Cheers, Trustin
