Re: MXNet website redesign

[Sally Khudairi]

Thanks, Seb. 

That is correct: I misunderstood the situation and thought that there
already was buy-in from within the pPMC, which is why this came across
as a foregone conclusion.
My apologies to all for inadvertently skewing the communications.

Kind regards, 
Sally

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2017, at 13:28, Seb Kiureghian wrote:
> Isabel, thanks for the feedback. I was following Sally's suggestions
> with respect to wording and there seems to have been a
> miscommunication.> 
> To clarify - The design is only a proposal and has not yet been
> adopted. It has been posted on the /master subpage only for ease
> of access.> 
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm
>  wrote:>> Hi,
>> 
>>  First of all, great to read there are people with interest and time
>>  to update the website.>>
>>
>>  Am 12. September 2017 19:00:21 MESZ schrieb Seb Kiureghian
>>  :
>>  >The pPMC would like to update the website.
>>
>> This wording is worrying to me. It sounds like a decision was made
>> out of sight of the public project community, that is out of sight
>> of dev@>> 
>>  The only way to grow your community and make it possible for
>>  outsiders is to have  conversations leading up to decisions like
>>  these here on dev@. Maybe I missed those, happy for any pointers.>>
>>
>>  Isabel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail
>>  gesendet.

Re: MXNet website redesign

[Henri Yandell]

Clarifying as I think Isabel was too gentle :)

Before coming to Apache, there had been much talk of redoing the website,
perhaps via a dayjob contribution. I double checked at ApacheCon with Sally
that that was sane (corporate contribution of a website design).

The evolution of that conversation is that Seb & Dom (as part of their
dayjob at Amazon) have a proposal for a new look and feel. They would like
feedback. There is no pPMC activity here Dom/Seb, this is you personally
proposing a website redesign to the MXNet PPMC, of which you are not a part.

Currently the MXNet committers/PPMC are very strongly code-focused. As an
Amazon employee, I love that we (Amazon) have non-coders interested in
working on the project. I dream of a day where project managers, web
designers, tech editors, paper writing scientists and evangelists are able
to be committers too. We (Apache) want that - Apache committers should be a
diverse bunch, not just coders.

This kind of pain point is going to happen. Apache have a general
too-code-focused culture, which we (Apache) acknowledge. Until we (MXNet)
are more open to adding non-coding committers (in deed as well as word),
trying to contribute outside of coding is like trying to move a Snorlax[1].

Hen

1 - https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Snorlax_(Pok%C3%A9mon)


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Dominic Divakaruni <
dominic.divakar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this: >The pPMC would like to update the website.
>
> is just to say that, the project's mentors reached out to the folks who
> helped with the infra migration with a reminder about the website updates
> that are needed.
>
> I don't believe that a decision was made out of sight. Though I do fully
> agree that this reminder and the follow on website design should have been
> discussed on dev@ first.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all, great to read there are people with interest and time to
> > update the website.
> >
> >
> > Am 12. September 2017 19:00:21 MESZ schrieb Seb Kiureghian <
> > sebou...@gmail.com>:
> > >The pPMC would like to update the website.
> >
> > This wording is worrying to me. It sounds like a decision was made out of
> > sight of the public project community, that is out of sight of dev@
> >
> > The only way to grow your community and make it possible for outsiders is
> > to have  conversations leading up to decisions like these here on dev@.
> > Maybe I missed those, happy for any pointers.
> >
> >
> > Isabel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Dominic Divakaruni
> 206.475.9200 Cell
>

Re: MXNet website redesign

[Dominic Divakaruni]

I think this: >The pPMC would like to update the website.

is just to say that, the project's mentors reached out to the folks who
helped with the infra migration with a reminder about the website updates
that are needed.

I don't believe that a decision was made out of sight. Though I do fully
agree that this reminder and the follow on website design should have been
discussed on dev@ first.


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First of all, great to read there are people with interest and time to
> update the website.
>
>
> Am 12. September 2017 19:00:21 MESZ schrieb Seb Kiureghian <
> sebou...@gmail.com>:
> >The pPMC would like to update the website.
>
> This wording is worrying to me. It sounds like a decision was made out of
> sight of the public project community, that is out of sight of dev@
>
> The only way to grow your community and make it possible for outsiders is
> to have  conversations leading up to decisions like these here on dev@.
> Maybe I missed those, happy for any pointers.
>
>
> Isabel
>
>
>
>
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
>



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Dominic Divakaruni
206.475.9200 Cell

Re: MXNet website redesign

[Isabel Drost-Fromm]

Hi,

First of all, great to read there are people with interest and time to update 
the website.


Am 12. September 2017 19:00:21 MESZ schrieb Seb Kiureghian :
>The pPMC would like to update the website.

This wording is worrying to me. It sounds like a decision was made out of sight 
of the public project community, that is out of sight of dev@

The only way to grow your community and make it possible for outsiders is to 
have  conversations leading up to decisions like these here on dev@. Maybe I 
missed those, happy for any pointers.


Isabel




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MXNet website redesign

[Seb Kiureghian]

Hello Apache MXNet dev@ community,

The pPMC would like to update the website. Amazon has offered to contribute
resources and I'm acting as a liaison to gather feedback from the
community. The new design is currently on the /master page:
https://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/versions/master/



We appreciate your support and look forward to sharing our progress with
you. Please don't be shy to share your feedback or any items on your wish
list. I've also opened a Github issue
.


Thanks,

Seb