Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello, It looks like we need to talk about what compatibility could mean for Tobago. We are compatible to JSF since Tobago runs on top of MyFaces and the Sun RI. We invested some time to be compatible to Facelets. Most of the Shale stuff works with Tobago, too. Other compatibility issues are: - using Tobago controls on Tomahawk pages (an HTML page with Tomahawk and standard HTML controls) In general there are issues with renderkit ids if I remember correctly. Tobago is not (only) a HTML renderkit. On a normal JSF page a Tobago control is missing its layout and theme context. It should be possible to provide this -- using a theme which fits to the rest of the page and giving Tobago a rectangular area to layout within. - using Tomahawk controls (or controls from other renderkits) on Tobago pages Again I think we have problems with different renderkit ids. Additionally Tobago needs to know about the size of the control and needs some means to adapt the size for layouting. And the page developer needs to customize the CSS of the control which fits to the Tobago theme. Making the included control respond to theme changes might be pretty complicated. Best regards, Arvid Martin Marinschek wrote: +1 from me for a release of Tobago. In any case - are there any new efforts to make Tobago more compatible to the rest of the JSF world? We've all put a bit of effort into compatibility in tomahawk and impl, and I'd like to see some effort in the tobago code base as well... regards, Martin On 9/13/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this intended to be a Java 1.5-only release for examples? I get this error when trying to run the examples under java 1.4.2. java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/apache/myfaces/tobago/webapp/TobagoServletContextListener (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello Mike, the examples are 1.5 only. A JDK 1.4 version would be produce a very big pom. The retrotranslated version of Tobago is new in this release. If I get more feedback from the community may be I will setup JDK 1.4 examples. Regards Bernd Mike Kienenberger wrote: Is this intended to be a Java 1.5-only release for examples? I get this error when trying to run the examples under java 1.4.2. java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/apache/myfaces/tobago/webapp/TobagoServletContextListener (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello, here are the results of the Tobago Release Vote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/200609.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 non-binding (idus, weber, lofwyr, bommel) +1 binding (matzew, baranda, mmarinschek, grantsmith) I will prepare everything for the release. I will try to fix the case-insensitive filesystem issue in the distribution as suggested by Mike, but not in the maven aritifacts. Thanks for pointing out this issue. I would prefer that everyone would install a case sensitive filesystem, but this is only a wish :-) Regards Bernd Mike Kienenberger wrote: On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I can't resolve the case-insensitive filesystem issue until a mayor release of Tobago. I think this is only a documentation issue and the documentation is generated by a maven-plugin. The only fast solution would be to delete the documentation from the distribution or write a own plugin for the documentation. The other solution would be to delete the deprecated tag but this requires a mayor release. It can be far simpler than that -- just go in and delete the deprecated file version from the zip file distribution. The other problem is that the deprecated version is the only one that can be extracted with winzip. So extracting both files gives two copies of the deprecated one.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really.But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member.Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release.FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. RegardsBerndCraig Matthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :)Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed.(I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
+1 for the release! Although it also concerns me a bit the lack of knowledge/interest of most of the myfaces committers in tobago, Cheers! Bruno On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member. Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release. FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. Regards Bernd Craig Matthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes ... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :) Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed. (I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Testing this now. One thing I noticed: http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.zip has both menuRadio.html and menuradio.html in the same directory. This doesn't work on case-insensitive filesystems like windows. The two files appear to have different sizes in the zip file, and winzip generates an overwrite warning when I attempt to unpack them. On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
+1 for release if the case-insensitve filesystem issue is resolved...On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Not really.But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member.Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release. RegardsBerndMatthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :)Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed.(I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy-- Grant Smith
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
This is not realy a issue, the files are part of the autogenerated tlddoc. the radiomenu.html is the description of the deprecated tc:radiomenu tag which was renamed to tc:radioMenu. the attributes are the same, if you compare these two pages in a browser the only diffrence are the line: Deprecated. Will be removed in a future version at the top of menuradio.html. 2006/9/13, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 for release if the case-insensitve filesystem issue is resolved... On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member. Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release. Regards Bernd Matthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes ... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :) Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed. (I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy -- Grant Smith
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Thanks for your vote, but I can't resolve the case-insensitive filesystem issue until a mayor release of Tobago. I think this is only a documentation issue and the documentation is generated by a maven-plugin. The only fast solution would be to delete the documentation from the distribution or write a own plugin for the documentation. The other solution would be to delete the deprecated tag but this requires a mayor release. Can you remove you condition from your vote, please. Regards Bernd Grant Smith wrote: +1 for release if the case-insensitve filesystem issue is resolved... On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member. Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release. Regards Bernd Matthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes ... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :) Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed. (I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Consider the condition removed. Binding +1.On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your vote,but I can't resolve the case-insensitive filesystem issue until a mayor release of Tobago.I think this is only a documentation issue and the documentation isgenerated by a maven-plugin. The only fast solution would be to deletethe documentation from the distribution or write a own plugin for the documentation. The other solution would be to delete the deprecated tagbut this requires a mayor release.Can you remove you condition from your vote, please.RegardsBerndGrant Smith wrote: +1 for release if the case-insensitve filesystem issue is resolved... On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. But I need a vote from 2 other pmc member. Can you encourage 2 pmc member to vote for the release. Regards Bernd Matthias Wessendorf wrote: too late ? +1 ... sorry for the delay, Bernd On 9/13/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The relevant sections are: http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes ... and 'Binding Votes' at the top of the page, which doesn't have an anchor. I see you found the 'majority approval' section. :)Release votes are similar to that, except that releases can't be vetoed.(I've never seen a release that had a -1, though... usually the release manager will stop the vote and fix the problem.) Thanks, -- Wendy -- Grant Smith
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I can't resolve the case-insensitive filesystem issue until a mayor release of Tobago. I think this is only a documentation issue and the documentation is generated by a maven-plugin. The only fast solution would be to delete the documentation from the distribution or write a own plugin for the documentation. The other solution would be to delete the deprecated tag but this requires a mayor release. It can be far simpler than that -- just go in and delete the deprecated file version from the zip file distribution. The other problem is that the deprecated version is the only one that can be extracted with winzip. So extracting both files gives two copies of the deprecated one.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Is this intended to be a Java 1.5-only release for examples? I get this error when trying to run the examples under java 1.4.2. java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/apache/myfaces/tobago/webapp/TobagoServletContextListener (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release.
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
+1 from me for a release of Tobago. In any case - are there any new efforts to make Tobago more compatible to the rest of the JSF world? We've all put a bit of effort into compatibility in tomahawk and impl, and I'd like to see some effort in the tobago code base as well... regards, Martin On 9/13/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this intended to be a Java 1.5-only release for examples? I get this error when trying to run the examples under java 1.4.2. java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/apache/myfaces/tobago/webapp/TobagoServletContextListener (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) On 9/13/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can download the tobago examples from http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/myfaces-tobago-example-1.0.8-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz the 1.0.8-SNAPSHOT is the next release Mike Kienenberger wrote: See this thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-users/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/13/06, L Frohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering the same thing, why isn't Tobago being merged into Tomahawk? -Original Message- From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: MyFaces Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8 On 9/13/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, this is the kind of thing that motivates a MyFaces committer is a MyFaces committer, as opposed to trying to segregate folks only interested in Tobago. On the other hand, the fact that only a small number of folks in the MyFaces committer community seem interested in Tobago is a danger signal. I wasn't around with Tobago joined up, but my experience so far is that it's almost impossible to be both a Tobago and a Tomahawk user/developer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have time to work with two incompatible frameworks. I tried to start a dialog a while back on merging Tobago and Tomahawk (or at least making them more compatible) but nothing really came of it. If Tobago and Tomahawk aren't going to be made compatible with each other, I think perhaps that Tobago should become its own top-level project. Yes, there are some parts that overlap (like the proposed commons jar for non-rendering code), but not enough that I feel qualified as a PMC member to vote on a Tobago release. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello, the 72 hours are ago. Here are the results of the Tobago Release Vote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/200609.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (idus, weber, lofwyr, bommel) I'll prepare everything for the release. Regards Bernd Bernd Bohmann wrote: Here is my +1 Regards Bernd Udo Schnurpfeil wrote: +1 my stuff works. Volker Weber schrieb: Hi, i prefer to have a branch to vote on, but the current nightly (09-Sep-2006 17:56) has my +1 to be the release version. regards Volker 2006/9/9, Arvid Hülsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 Looks good -- my small test application works. Best regards, Arvid Bernd Bohmann wrote: Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 72 hours are ago. Here are the results of the Tobago Release Vote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/200609.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (idus, weber, lofwyr, bommel) I'll prepare everything for the release. According to the team list page [1], none of the votes came from PMC members. I'm sure the page is out of date since idus (Arvid) and lofwyr (Udo) are not even listed as committers, but it's the only list I have to go by. Can you please re-state the vote results in terms of binding +1's from PMC members and non-binding votes from other community members? [1] http://myfaces.apache.org/team-list.html Thanks! -- Wendy
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The tobago team list is: http://myfaces.apache.org/tobago/team-list.html Regards Bernd Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 72 hours are ago. Here are the results of the Tobago Release Vote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/200609.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (idus, weber, lofwyr, bommel) I'll prepare everything for the release. According to the team list page [1], none of the votes came from PMC members. I'm sure the page is out of date since idus (Arvid) and lofwyr (Udo) are not even listed as committers, but it's the only list I have to go by. Can you please re-state the vote results in terms of binding +1's from PMC members and non-binding votes from other community members? [1] http://myfaces.apache.org/team-list.html Thanks!
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Ok, found it a release needs a Majority Approval [1] [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval Any of the PMC interested about voting for the 1.0.8 Tobago release? Regards Bernd Bernd Bohmann wrote: Thanks Wendy, but I think the vote closed after 72 hours and I get 4 +1(non-binding). Is this not lasy consens [1][2]? [1] http://www.apache.de/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus [2] http://www.apache.de/foundation/voting.html The tobago team list is: http://myfaces.apache.org/tobago/team-list.html Regards Bernd Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/12/06, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 72 hours are ago. Here are the results of the Tobago Release Vote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/200609.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (idus, weber, lofwyr, bommel) I'll prepare everything for the release. According to the team list page [1], none of the votes came from PMC members. I'm sure the page is out of date since idus (Arvid) and lofwyr (Udo) are not even listed as committers, but it's the only list I have to go by. Can you please re-state the vote results in terms of binding +1's from PMC members and non-binding votes from other community members? [1] http://myfaces.apache.org/team-list.html Thanks!
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
+1 my stuff works. Volker Weber schrieb: Hi, i prefer to have a branch to vote on, but the current nightly (09-Sep-2006 17:56) has my +1 to be the release version. regards Volker 2006/9/9, Arvid Hülsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 Looks good -- my small test application works. Best regards, Arvid Bernd Bohmann wrote: Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Here is my +1 Regards Bernd Udo Schnurpfeil wrote: +1 my stuff works. Volker Weber schrieb: Hi, i prefer to have a branch to vote on, but the current nightly (09-Sep-2006 17:56) has my +1 to be the release version. regards Volker 2006/9/9, Arvid Hülsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 Looks good -- my small test application works. Best regards, Arvid Bernd Bohmann wrote: Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
[VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
+1 Looks good -- my small test application works. Best regards, Arvid Bernd Bohmann wrote: Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Tobago 1.0.8
Hi, i prefer to have a branch to vote on, but the current nightly (09-Sep-2006 17:56) has my +1 to be the release version. regards Volker 2006/9/9, Arvid Hülsebus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 Looks good -- my small test application works. Best regards, Arvid Bernd Bohmann wrote: Hello, Please vote on releasing Apache Tobago 1.0.8. The current nightly build should be the 1.0.8 release. http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ [+1] Make the 1.0.8 release of Tobago [+0] I don't care [-1] No... and this is why... Current release notes http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310273styleName=Htmlversion=12310900 Regards Bernd
