Re: html5 lib
Hi, Current location of the code is : http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/ and subprojects: * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/ What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ? * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/ http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/I remember I've read about a decision not adding another top level folder (not 100% sure). Is that so? Cheers, Ali On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.orgwrote: +1 let me use that... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (-- MFCOMMONS). Regards, Jakob Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -) :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: html5 lib
Hi Ali, +1 to What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ? * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/ but myfaces-shared-html5 should be a module of myfaces shared itself (like shared-impl and shared-tomahawk). Regards, Jakob 2011/3/8 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr: Hi, Current location of the code is : http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/ and subprojects: * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/ What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ? * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/ * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/ I remember I've read about a decision not adding another top level folder (not 100% sure). Is that so? Cheers, Ali On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: +1 let me use that... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (-- MFCOMMONS). Regards, Jakob Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -) :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter:
Re: html5 lib
Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (-- MFCOMMONS). Regards, Jakob Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -) :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at
Re: html5 lib
+1 let me use that... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (-- MFCOMMONS). Regards, Jakob Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -) :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Subject: Re: html5 lib To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Subject: Re: html5 lib To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
+1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Subject: Re: html5 lib To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -) :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a new jira project regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Question: Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5) Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ? I personally don't mind having a new project for it.. -M On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Nope On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this? Cheers,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, For example, for the hx:video component there is a fallback facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc. Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project. How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called Modernizr [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff. Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children. [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr Greetings,Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Subject: Re: html5 lib To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions
Re: html5 lib
Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at
Re: html5 lib
Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: html5 lib
Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture': The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers. Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case? How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI. LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org Subject: Re: html5 lib To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM Hi, totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ? Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed. -M On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful. What do you think about that? Greetings, Ali On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only after a successful vote). Regards, Jakob 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: hi, where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code? Like what folder etc ? It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper (release often - release early) -M -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
