Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

Question is how far you want to go in such a contest?

There's NETBEANS-146 (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-146)
which lists all art work which needs to be touched in order for a complete
re-branding to take place.

By this, you'll learn that Platform and IDE has different splashes, updater
has its own splash and so on. On top of this, there's also art work in the
IDE's installer. (not listed in NETBEANS-146 because it isn't donated yet).

IMO all of this should have a coherent graphical expression, i.e. use same
base logo (the new one), same color scheme, same fonts, etc.

I think the minimum to ask for in such a contest is two splash screens, one
for Platform and another for IDE. But that would still leave 'open' the
other art work. On the other hand we do not want to create too high a
barrier for such a contest. So I'm torn.


/Lars




On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 20:47 Antonio  wrote:
>
> > +1 This is a great idea!
> >
>
> Yep, +1.  With the necessary parts to make a new hero image for the website
> too - we'd ideally keep those in sync.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[Antonio]

Hi all,

José Rodriguez from the users mailing list notes that the 
"incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip" files from [1] 
(dist.apache.org) and [2] (http://www-eu.apache.org) have different MD5 
signatures.


A quick review shows that the files are indeed different:

"dist" zip file ([1])::
- File timestamps 2018 jan 10
- No "licenses" directory
- LICENSE file is 57kb

"eu zip" file ([2]) also downloaded from the Apache mirror system::
- File timestamps 2018 feb 02
- "licenses" directory
- LICENSE file is 245,1 kb

I think the one being distributed through the mirror system is the 
proper one, isn't it? Also I thought that the file hosted at "dist" was 
automatically distributed to mirrors, wasn't it?


I don't think we should raise a ticket against Apache security, should we?

Cheers,
Antonio

[1]
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[2]
http://www-eu.apache.org/dist/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip


On 08/03/18 20:21, John McDonnell wrote:

Apologies for the spam, cross posting to dev.

@Antonio, do you know if the link on the website for NetBeans 9.0 Beta 
is correct?  Looking at this thread, the signature doesn't match the 
RC3.0 thread we voted on.  If we have a small typo we should try to 
catch this early in the NetCat phase.


Regards

John


On 8 March 2018 at 07:47, John McDonnell > wrote:


Hi Leo,

I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step...

But

I'm looking at a different file then you:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(you)

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(me)

@Geertjan, the vote thread you referenced earlier, we voted on the
link I used - and got a good signature, so I think that's okay.  But
the website points to a different URL (The one Leo checked).  I
suspect that the website is using the wrong URL, but before I jump
to that conclusion, just curious after the successful vote would you
have moved theartefact to the location on the website?

Regards

John


On 8 March 2018 at 01:50, Leo Donahue > wrote:

Hi John,

I noticed that you didn't issue:  gpg --import KEYS

I tried again, using wget to download the binary zip file, same
result.  I have also tried different mirrors.  I guess I will
just build from source, I was just being lazy.

(The --list-keys command illustrates I don't already have the
KEYS file imported)

leo@vmw01:~$ *gpg --list-keys*
leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
*
--2018-03-07 18:40:53--
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS

Resolving dist.apache.org 
(dist.apache.org )... 209.188.14.144
Connecting to dist.apache.org 
(dist.apache.org
)|209.188.14.144|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 7594 (7.4K) [text/plain]
Saving to: ‘KEYS’

KEYS 
100%[===>] 
  7.42K  --.-KB/s    in 0s


2018-03-07 18:40:54 (42.0 MB/s) - ‘KEYS’ saved [7594/7594]

leo@vmw01:~$ *wget

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc

*
--2018-03-07 18:41:11--

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc


Resolving dist.apache.org 
(dist.apache.org )... 209.188.14.144
Connecting to dist.apache.org 
(dist.apache.org
)|209.188.14.144|:443... connected.
HTTP request 

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 20:47 Antonio  wrote:

> +1 This is a great idea!
>

Yep, +1.  With the necessary parts to make a new hero image for the website
too - we'd ideally keep those in sync.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Antonio]

+1 This is a great idea!

On 08/03/18 20:13, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Hi all!

Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would
include a new splash screen.

I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along well,
we could propose various splash screen designs, featuring our new logo and
maybe some of the styles and colors from the website, followed by a vote
thread?

Just an idea,

Gj



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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Delfi Ramirez]

Hi all

In agreed with Mathias and others, and taking in consideration the 
specific end purpose use of SVN i would not remove,  support of 
Subversion in Net beans.


IF it depends on this solely opinion, being an outlier too.

cheers


On 08/03/2018 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
here.


Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion 
support from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS 
projects and of course older internal projects for corporations use 
Subversion. So I think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans 
would be a bad overall move.


Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases 
I use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. 
So I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs 
to interact with source code control.


Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


Forwarded message:


From: Claus Lüthje 
To: Eduard 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100

Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
is slower …


Claus


Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.

--
Eduard

David Heffelfinger wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

David

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Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[John McDonnell]

The way I understand it, the artefact we voted on, that has a good
signature.  The one on the website that results in the bad signature.  So
either the website isn't pointing to the correct artefact, or something has
gone wrong somewhere.

John

On 8 March 2018 at 20:11, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Yes, I think we need to sort out what's going on here.
>
> Though if it turns out there's a problem with the signing of the Beta, I
> think that means we need to be all the more careful and really verify
> everything in that regard (maybe have a dedicated signature verification
> team) for the final release.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:21 PM, John McDonnell 
> wrote:
>
> > Apologies for the spam, cross posting to dev.
> >
> > @Antonio, do you know if the link on the website for NetBeans 9.0 Beta is
> > correct?  Looking at this thread, the signature doesn't match the RC3.0
> > thread we voted on.  If we have a small typo we should try to catch this
> > early in the NetCat phase.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 8 March 2018 at 07:47, John McDonnell 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Leo,
> >>
> >> I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step...
> >>
> >> But
> >>
> >> I'm looking at a different file then you:
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> >> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbea
> >> ns-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(you)
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> >> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-ne
> >> tbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(me)
> >>
> >> @Geertjan, the vote thread you referenced earlier, we voted on the link
> I
> >> used - and got a good signature, so I think that's okay.  But the
> website
> >> points to a different URL (The one Leo checked).  I suspect that the
> >> website is using the wrong URL, but before I jump to that conclusion,
> just
> >> curious after the successful vote would you have moved the artefact to
> >> the location on the website?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 March 2018 at 01:50, Leo Donahue  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi John,
> >>>
> >>> I noticed that you didn't issue:  gpg --import KEYS
> >>>
> >>> I tried again, using wget to download the binary zip file, same result.
> >>> I have also tried different mirrors.  I guess I will just build from
> >>> source, I was just being lazy.
> >>>
> >>> (The --list-keys command illustrates I don't already have the KEYS file
> >>> imported)
> >>>
> >>> leo@vmw01:~$ *gpg --list-keys*
> >>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
> >>> *
> >>> --2018-03-07 18:40:53--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> >>> dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
> >>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
> >>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
> >>> connected.
> >>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> >>> Length: 7594 (7.4K) [text/plain]
> >>> Saving to: ‘KEYS’
> >>>
> >>> KEYS  100%[=
> >>> ==>]   7.42K  --.-KB/s
> >>> in 0s
> >>>
> >>> 2018-03-07 18:40:54 (42.0 MB/s) - ‘KEYS’ saved [7594/7594]
> >>>
> >>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/
> incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-
> beta-bin.zip.asc
> >>>  netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/
> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc>*
> >>> --2018-03-07 18:41:11--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> >>> dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubat
> >>> ing-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
> >>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
> >>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
> >>> connected.
> >>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> >>> Length: 819 [text/plain]
> >>> Saving to: ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc’
> >>>
> >>> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin 100%[=
> >>> ==>] 819  --.-KB/s
> >>> in 0s
> >>>
> >>> 2018-03-07 18:41:11 (16.4 MB/s) - ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-
> beta-bin.zip.asc’
> >>> saved [819/819]
> >>>
> >>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
> >>> http://apache.cs.utah.edu/incubator/netbeans/incubating-
> netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-
> 9.0-beta-bin.zip
> >>>  netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-
> 9.0-beta-bin.zip>*
> >>> --2018-03-07 18:41:41--  http://apache.cs.utah.edu/incu
> >>> 

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Yes, I think we need to sort out what's going on here.

Though if it turns out there's a problem with the signing of the Beta, I
think that means we need to be all the more careful and really verify
everything in that regard (maybe have a dedicated signature verification
team) for the final release.

Gj

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:21 PM, John McDonnell 
wrote:

> Apologies for the spam, cross posting to dev.
>
> @Antonio, do you know if the link on the website for NetBeans 9.0 Beta is
> correct?  Looking at this thread, the signature doesn't match the RC3.0
> thread we voted on.  If we have a small typo we should try to catch this
> early in the NetCat phase.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
> On 8 March 2018 at 07:47, John McDonnell  wrote:
>
>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step...
>>
>> But
>>
>> I'm looking at a different file then you:
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
>> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbea
>> ns-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(you)
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
>> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-ne
>> tbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(me)
>>
>> @Geertjan, the vote thread you referenced earlier, we voted on the link I
>> used - and got a good signature, so I think that's okay.  But the website
>> points to a different URL (The one Leo checked).  I suspect that the
>> website is using the wrong URL, but before I jump to that conclusion, just
>> curious after the successful vote would you have moved the artefact to
>> the location on the website?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 8 March 2018 at 01:50, Leo Donahue  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I noticed that you didn't issue:  gpg --import KEYS
>>>
>>> I tried again, using wget to download the binary zip file, same result.
>>> I have also tried different mirrors.  I guess I will just build from
>>> source, I was just being lazy.
>>>
>>> (The --list-keys command illustrates I don't already have the KEYS file
>>> imported)
>>>
>>> leo@vmw01:~$ *gpg --list-keys*
>>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>>> *
>>> --2018-03-07 18:40:53--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
>>> dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
>>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
>>> connected.
>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>>> Length: 7594 (7.4K) [text/plain]
>>> Saving to: ‘KEYS’
>>>
>>> KEYS  100%[=
>>> ==>]   7.42K  --.-KB/s
>>> in 0s
>>>
>>> 2018-03-07 18:40:54 (42.0 MB/s) - ‘KEYS’ saved [7594/7594]
>>>
>>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>>> *
>>> --2018-03-07 18:41:11--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
>>> dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubat
>>> ing-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
>>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
>>> connected.
>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>>> Length: 819 [text/plain]
>>> Saving to: ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc’
>>>
>>> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin 100%[=
>>> ==>] 819  --.-KB/s
>>> in 0s
>>>
>>> 2018-03-07 18:41:11 (16.4 MB/s) - 
>>> ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc’
>>> saved [819/819]
>>>
>>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
>>> http://apache.cs.utah.edu/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
>>> *
>>> --2018-03-07 18:41:41--  http://apache.cs.utah.edu/incu
>>> bator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/
>>> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
>>> Resolving apache.cs.utah.edu (apache.cs.utah.edu)... 155.98.64.87
>>> Connecting to apache.cs.utah.edu (apache.cs.utah.edu)|155.98.64.87|:80...
>>> connected.
>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>>> Length: 167193685 (159M) [application/zip]
>>> Saving to: ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip’
>>>
>>> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin 100%[=
>>> ==>] 159.45M  8.14MB/s
>>> in 31s
>>>
>>> 2018-03-07 

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Javier Ortiz 
wrote:

> Yeah, the current one for sure doesn't go along the new logo. Is branding
> part of this first release?
>


Sure, why not? If we have a new logo and a new website, the next step if a
new splash screen.

Gj





>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would
> > include a new splash screen.
> >
> > I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along
> well,
> > we could propose various splash screen designs, featuring our new logo
> and
> > maybe some of the styles and colors from the website, followed by a vote
> > thread?
> >
> > Just an idea,
> >
> > Gj
> >
>

Re: New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Javier Ortiz]

Yeah, the current one for sure doesn't go along the new logo. Is branding
part of this first release?



On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would
> include a new splash screen.
>
> I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along well,
> we could propose various splash screen designs, featuring our new logo and
> maybe some of the styles and colors from the website, followed by a vote
> thread?
>
> Just an idea,
>
> Gj
>

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[John McDonnell]

Apologies for the spam, cross posting to dev.

@Antonio, do you know if the link on the website for NetBeans 9.0 Beta is
correct?  Looking at this thread, the signature doesn't match the RC3.0
thread we voted on.  If we have a small typo we should try to catch this
early in the NetCat phase.

Regards

John


On 8 March 2018 at 07:47, John McDonnell  wrote:

> Hi Leo,
>
> I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step...
>
> But
>
> I'm looking at a different file then you:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-
> netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(you)
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-
> netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip(me)
>
> @Geertjan, the vote thread you referenced earlier, we voted on the link I
> used - and got a good signature, so I think that's okay.  But the website
> points to a different URL (The one Leo checked).  I suspect that the
> website is using the wrong URL, but before I jump to that conclusion, just
> curious after the successful vote would you have moved the artefact to
> the location on the website?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
> On 8 March 2018 at 01:50, Leo Donahue  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I noticed that you didn't issue:  gpg --import KEYS
>>
>> I tried again, using wget to download the binary zip file, same result.
>> I have also tried different mirrors.  I guess I will just build from
>> source, I was just being lazy.
>>
>> (The --list-keys command illustrates I don't already have the KEYS file
>> imported)
>>
>> leo@vmw01:~$ *gpg --list-keys*
>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>> *
>> --2018-03-07 18:40:53--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
>> dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
>> connected.
>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>> Length: 7594 (7.4K) [text/plain]
>> Saving to: ‘KEYS’
>>
>> KEYS  100%[=
>> ==>]   7.42K  --.-KB/sin
>> 0s
>>
>> 2018-03-07 18:40:54 (42.0 MB/s) - ‘KEYS’ saved [7594/7594]
>>
>> leo@vmw01:~$ *wget
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>> *
>> --2018-03-07 18:41:11--  https://dist.apache.org/repos/
>> dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubat
>> ing-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>> Resolving dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)... 209.188.14.144
>> Connecting to dist.apache.org (dist.apache.org)|209.188.14.144|:443...
>> connected.
>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>> Length: 819 [text/plain]
>> Saving to: ‘incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc’
>>
>> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin 100%[=
>> ==>] 819  --.-KB/sin
>> 0s
>>
>> 2018-03-07 18:41:11 (16.4 MB/s) - 
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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Fabrizio Giudici]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 20:11:14 +0100, Wade Chandler  
 wrote:



+1


+1

As others, I have customers using it with some projects, and they will  
probably stay with SVN for those projects until they die...


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New NetBeans splash screen? :-)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all!

Now that we have a new logo and new website — a next logical step would
include a new splash screen.

I.e., parallel to the NetCAT program getting started and moving along well,
we could propose various splash screen designs, featuring our new logo and
maybe some of the styles and colors from the website, followed by a vote
thread?

Just an idea,

Gj

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Wade Chandler]

> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Glenn Holmer  wrote:
> 
> On 03/08/2018 09:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans.
>> CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years
>> now, is IMHO not something we should give high priority.
> 
> +1
> 


+1

===

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e: cons...@wadechandler.com
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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Matthias Bläsing]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 08.03.2018, 14:33 + schrieb Mark Struberg:
> tons of companies and projects are still using SVN. Also new
> projects. 
> While git is great, it is also very easy to destroy a GIT repo.This
> is a major reason why some companies still prefer SVN.The other
> argument is security. SVN is strictly centralised and file based. So
> you cannot take the whole projects offline (sometimes that is bad,
> sometimes good) and you can set the access to very specific portions
> of the code. 
> So I'd highly recommend not removing the SVN support.

I work for one such company. There are various reasons: central backup,
convenience, "it works", "I don't want to learn another VCS". In sum:
if there are no strong reasons to remove subversion I would not even
think about it.

Greetings

Matthias

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Re: AW: Possible Removal of SVN

[Dave Irving]

Still using this actively at work.

Dave Irving


On 08/03/18 15:23, Christian Lenz wrote:

I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and 
GIT are the most big Players.
And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we are 
not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove ClearCase 
because it is not developed further (Last update 2014, says wiki) But SVN was 
the latest update last year, mercurial this year.

I had to work with SVN too and it was great with NetBeans, if this will be 
removed, what I should I do then? Switching to IntelliJ?

As Oracle decided to remove Ruby and UML Support from NetBeans, as you can see 
it now, those Projects are Kind of dead. Ruby is I think working okish but not 
that full Feature as it should be. And UML, yeah there is easyUML but it is not 
that good atm for years.

Oracle decided to remove the JS Support think 5 years or so too, because of 
what? The usage wasn’t so good?. After years it came back. Not that perfect but 
good enough to work with. I didn’t like the choice that Ruby, JS (Which is now 
in again, hooray) and UML was removed from the IDE.

On the contrary, NetBeans should Support a lot of more stuff inside the core 
with the ability to decide yes I want that Feature or not. A lot of stuff is 
still missing like Go, Kotlin (Not workable I think but I will see it later), 
Galen, Rust, etc.

We should clearly discuss such big Change and my 2 cents are, please, don’t do 
that.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:09
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN

Hi there,

As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing
issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD,
as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:

There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about
removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic
here.

Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support
from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of
course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I
think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad
overall move.

Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and
Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects
located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I
use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So
I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to
interact with source code control.

Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


Forwarded message:


From: Claus Lüthje 
To: Eduard 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100

Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality
is slower …

Claus


Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly
reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
--
Eduard

David Heffelfinger wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:



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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[mark stephens]

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 16:57, Antonio  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I agree with all points. I'd add an additional one, though:
> 
> 4. Apache NetBeans Days held in Spain should offer a beverage and tapas.

It is a rule it always rains when we have the UK one….

Regards,

MArk
> 
> Thanks,
> Antonio
> 
> On 08/03/18 13:26, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
>> defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be
>> able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>> I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events which
>> happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part of
>> that class:
>> 1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
>> NetBeans.
>> 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
>> 3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.
>> Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:
>> https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html
>> Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
>> foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of any
>> kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
>> we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.
>> Thanks,
>> Gj
> 
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[Antonio]

Hi all,

I agree with all points. I'd add an additional one, though:

4. Apache NetBeans Days held in Spain should offer a beverage and tapas.

Thanks,
Antonio

On 08/03/18 13:26, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Hi all,

Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be
able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E

I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events which
happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part of
that class:
1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
NetBeans.
2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.

Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:

https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html

Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of any
kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.

Thanks,

Gj



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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Jan Lahoda]

FWIW, IIRC, NetBeans is using different backends to work with SVN
repositories, and one of the backends is has a license[1] that is
possibly/probably incompatible with an Apache project, so that one was
excluded:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/commit/e32f86aeecc1b0bb890ff95ed7e1c31c6da25cb6

Other (2) backends remain. The backends are AFAIK pluggable, so it should
be possible to install the excluded backend as a separate module.

Jan

[1] the licenses are in libs.svnClientAdapter.svnkit/external


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Antonio  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing
> issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD, as
> an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
>
>> There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about
>> removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic here.
>>
>> Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support
>> from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of
>> course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I think
>> removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad overall move.
>>
>> Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and
>> Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects located
>> on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I use the
>> command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So I know that
>> I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to interact with
>> source code control.
>>
>> Paul Franz
>> Senior Principal Applications Engineer
>> Oracle Transportation Management
>>
>>
>> Forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Claus Lüthje 
>>> To: Eduard 
>>> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
>>>
>>> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
>>> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality is
>>> slower …
>>>
>>> Claus
>>>
>>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :

 I'm using SVN.

 I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce
 the usefulnes of NB for me.
 --
 Eduard

 David Heffelfinger wrote:

> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  > wrote:
>
>
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[Geertjan Wielenga]

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, mark stephens 
wrote:

> As one of the NetBeans Day UK organisers, I like Geertjan’s definition but
> think 2 clarifications would help.
>
> 1. Does ALL the content have to be NetBeans or the vast majority?



NetBeans is a tool, like a hammer. If there were to be a Hammer Day, the
content except for the keynote, would not be about hammers at all. The
content would be about making tables, about making doors, etc etc, but all
with hammers as the tool.

For that reason, NetBeans Day has content about all kinds of things, e.g.,
Spring Boot, JavaScript, though what they have in common is that if there
is a demo, NetBeans is used for that.

Gj



>
> In the past we have had a very small minority of talks at NetBeans day
> which have of a more general nature but fit in well with the general theme
> (ie design patterns in Java).
>
> Personally just feel we need to be clear if event is totally exclusive or
> not to provide a clear guide.
>
> 2. I think we should also clarify if we are allowed to charge or have
> sponsorship for the events. At UK, we have had sponsors so we can run a
> free event with food.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> MArk
>
> > On 8 Mar 2018, at 12:26, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
> > defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to
> be
> > able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02
> de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events
> which
> > happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part
> of
> > that class:
> > 1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
> > NetBeans.
> > 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
> > 3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.
> >
> > Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:
> >
> > https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html
> >
> > Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
> > foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of
> any
> > kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
> > we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
>
>

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Glenn Holmer]

On 03/08/2018 09:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans.
> CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years
> now, is IMHO not something we should give high priority.

+1

-- 
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AW: Possible Removal of SVN

[Christian Lenz]

Ok, thx for clarification.

Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:44
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN

Just for the record, Oracle did not remove Ruby and UML support from
NetBeans. Sun did that. Was there a mean spirited nefarious reason behind
doing that? No, simply a problem of not having enough resources to do
everything and needing to prioritize and make choices.

I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans.
CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years
now, is IMHO not something we should give high priority.

Gj

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN
> and GIT are the most big Players.
> And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we
> are not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove
> ClearCase because it is not developed further (Last update 2014, says wiki)
> But SVN was the latest update last year, mercurial this year.
>
> I had to work with SVN too and it was great with NetBeans, if this will be
> removed, what I should I do then? Switching to IntelliJ?
>
> As Oracle decided to remove Ruby and UML Support from NetBeans, as you can
> see it now, those Projects are Kind of dead. Ruby is I think working okish
> but not that full Feature as it should be. And UML, yeah there is easyUML
> but it is not that good atm for years.
>
> Oracle decided to remove the JS Support think 5 years or so too, because
> of what? The usage wasn’t so good?. After years it came back. Not that
> perfect but good enough to work with. I didn’t like the choice that Ruby,
> JS (Which is now in again, hooray) and UML was removed from the IDE.
>
> On the contrary, NetBeans should Support a lot of more stuff inside the
> core with the ability to decide yes I want that Feature or not. A lot of
> stuff is still missing like Go, Kotlin (Not workable I think but I will see
> it later), Galen, Rust, etc.
>
> We should clearly discuss such big Change and my 2 cents are, please,
> don’t do that.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Antonio
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:09
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN
>
> Hi there,
>
> As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing
> issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD,
> as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
> > There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about
> > removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic
> > here.
> >
> > Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support
> > from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of
> > course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I
> > think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad
> > overall move.
> >
> > Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and
> > Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects
> > located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I
> > use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So
> > I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to
> > interact with source code control.
> >
> > Paul Franz
> > Senior Principal Applications Engineer
> > Oracle Transportation Management
> >
> >
> > Forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: Claus Lüthje 
> >> To: Eduard 
> >> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
> >>
> >> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
> >> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality
> >> is slower …
> >>
> >> Claus
> >>
> >>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
> >>>
> >>> I'm using SVN.
> >>>
> >>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly
> >>> reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
> >>> --
> >>> Eduard
> >>>
> >>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>  Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
>  David
> 
>  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan   > wrote:
> 
> 
> >
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> 

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Just for the record, Oracle did not remove Ruby and UML support from
NetBeans. Sun did that. Was there a mean spirited nefarious reason behind
doing that? No, simply a problem of not having enough resources to do
everything and needing to prioritize and make choices.

I agree completely Subversion should stay as a standard part of NetBeans.
CVS, on the other hand, which has been a separate module for several years
now, is IMHO not something we should give high priority.

Gj

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN
> and GIT are the most big Players.
> And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we
> are not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove
> ClearCase because it is not developed further (Last update 2014, says wiki)
> But SVN was the latest update last year, mercurial this year.
>
> I had to work with SVN too and it was great with NetBeans, if this will be
> removed, what I should I do then? Switching to IntelliJ?
>
> As Oracle decided to remove Ruby and UML Support from NetBeans, as you can
> see it now, those Projects are Kind of dead. Ruby is I think working okish
> but not that full Feature as it should be. And UML, yeah there is easyUML
> but it is not that good atm for years.
>
> Oracle decided to remove the JS Support think 5 years or so too, because
> of what? The usage wasn’t so good?. After years it came back. Not that
> perfect but good enough to work with. I didn’t like the choice that Ruby,
> JS (Which is now in again, hooray) and UML was removed from the IDE.
>
> On the contrary, NetBeans should Support a lot of more stuff inside the
> core with the ability to decide yes I want that Feature or not. A lot of
> stuff is still missing like Go, Kotlin (Not workable I think but I will see
> it later), Galen, Rust, etc.
>
> We should clearly discuss such big Change and my 2 cents are, please,
> don’t do that.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Antonio
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:09
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN
>
> Hi there,
>
> As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing
> issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD,
> as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
> > There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about
> > removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic
> > here.
> >
> > Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support
> > from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of
> > course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I
> > think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad
> > overall move.
> >
> > Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and
> > Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects
> > located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I
> > use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So
> > I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to
> > interact with source code control.
> >
> > Paul Franz
> > Senior Principal Applications Engineer
> > Oracle Transportation Management
> >
> >
> > Forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: Claus Lüthje 
> >> To: Eduard 
> >> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
> >>
> >> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
> >> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality
> >> is slower …
> >>
> >> Claus
> >>
> >>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
> >>>
> >>> I'm using SVN.
> >>>
> >>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly
> >>> reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
> >>> --
> >>> Eduard
> >>>
> >>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>  Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
>  David
> 
>  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan   > wrote:
> 
> 
> >
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[mark stephens]

As one of the NetBeans Day UK organisers, I like Geertjan’s definition but 
think 2 clarifications would help.

1. Does ALL the content have to be NetBeans or the vast majority?

In the past we have had a very small minority of talks at NetBeans day which 
have of a more general nature but fit in well with the general theme (ie design 
patterns in Java).

Personally just feel we need to be clear if event is totally exclusive or not 
to provide a clear guide.

2. I think we should also clarify if we are allowed to charge or have 
sponsorship for the events. At UK, we have had sponsors so we can run a free 
event with food.

Kind Regards,

MArk 

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 12:26, Geertjan Wielenga  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
> defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be
> able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.
> 
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> 
> I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events which
> happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part of
> that class:
> 1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
> NetBeans.
> 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
> 3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.
> 
> Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:
> 
> https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html
> 
> Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
> foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of any
> kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
> we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gj

AW: Possible Removal of SVN

[Christian Lenz]

Offtopic, we should also Support TFS (Team foundation Server from MicroSoft).

Von: Christian Lenz
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:23
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: AW: Possible Removal of SVN

I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and 
GIT are the most big Players.
And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we are 
not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove ClearCase 
because it is not developed further (Last update 2014, says wiki) But SVN was 
the latest update last year, mercurial this year.

I had to work with SVN too and it was great with NetBeans, if this will be 
removed, what I should I do then? Switching to IntelliJ?

As Oracle decided to remove Ruby and UML Support from NetBeans, as you can see 
it now, those Projects are Kind of dead. Ruby is I think working okish but not 
that full Feature as it should be. And UML, yeah there is easyUML but it is not 
that good atm for years.

Oracle decided to remove the JS Support think 5 years or so too, because of 
what? The usage wasn’t so good?. After years it came back. Not that perfect but 
good enough to work with. I didn’t like the choice that Ruby, JS (Which is now 
in again, hooray) and UML was removed from the IDE.

On the contrary, NetBeans should Support a lot of more stuff inside the core 
with the ability to decide yes I want that Feature or not. A lot of stuff is 
still missing like Go, Kotlin (Not workable I think but I will see it later), 
Galen, Rust, etc.

We should clearly discuss such big Change and my 2 cents are, please, don’t do 
that.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:09
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN

Hi there,

As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing 
issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD, 
as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
> There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
> removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
> here.
> 
> Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support 
> from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of 
> course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I 
> think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad 
> overall move.
> 
> Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
> Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
> located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I 
> use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So 
> I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to 
> interact with source code control.
> 
> Paul Franz
> Senior Principal Applications Engineer
> Oracle Transportation Management
> 
> 
> Forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Claus Lüthje 
>> To: Eduard 
>> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
>>
>> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
>> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
>> is slower …
>>
>> Claus
>>
>>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
>>>
>>> I'm using SVN.
>>>
>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
>>> reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
>>> -- 
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
 Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

 David

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:


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AW: Possible Removal of SVN

[Christian Lenz]

I’m really against the idea to remove such a big Feature. Mercurial, SVN and 
GIT are the most big Players.
And first we should often see what happens on other IDEs. Yes I know, we are 
not IntelliJ but this is a big Player and they only decided to remove ClearCase 
because it is not developed further (Last update 2014, says wiki) But SVN was 
the latest update last year, mercurial this year.

I had to work with SVN too and it was great with NetBeans, if this will be 
removed, what I should I do then? Switching to IntelliJ?

As Oracle decided to remove Ruby and UML Support from NetBeans, as you can see 
it now, those Projects are Kind of dead. Ruby is I think working okish but not 
that full Feature as it should be. And UML, yeah there is easyUML but it is not 
that good atm for years.

Oracle decided to remove the JS Support think 5 years or so too, because of 
what? The usage wasn’t so good?. After years it came back. Not that perfect but 
good enough to work with. I didn’t like the choice that Ruby, JS (Which is now 
in again, hooray) and UML was removed from the IDE.

On the contrary, NetBeans should Support a lot of more stuff inside the core 
with the ability to decide yes I want that Feature or not. A lot of stuff is 
still missing like Go, Kotlin (Not workable I think but I will see it later), 
Galen, Rust, etc.

We should clearly discuss such big Change and my 2 cents are, please, don’t do 
that.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 16:09
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Possible Removal of SVN

Hi there,

As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing 
issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD, 
as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
> There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
> removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
> here.
> 
> Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support 
> from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of 
> course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I 
> think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad 
> overall move.
> 
> Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
> Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
> located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I 
> use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So 
> I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to 
> interact with source code control.
> 
> Paul Franz
> Senior Principal Applications Engineer
> Oracle Transportation Management
> 
> 
> Forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Claus Lüthje 
>> To: Eduard 
>> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
>>
>> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
>> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
>> is slower …
>>
>> Claus
>>
>>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
>>>
>>> I'm using SVN.
>>>
>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
>>> reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
>>> -- 
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
 Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

 David

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:


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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Antonio]

Hi there,

As far as I remember the support of svn in NetBeans was due to licensing 
issues. This has nothing to do with who uses subversion or not. FreeBSD, 
as an example, has been using/is using subversion successfully for years.


Kind regards,
Antonio

On 08/03/18 15:29, Paul Franz wrote:
There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
here.


Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support 
from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of 
course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I 
think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad 
overall move.


Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I 
use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So 
I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to 
interact with source code control.


Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


Forwarded message:


From: Claus Lüthje 
To: Eduard 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100

Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
is slower …


Claus


Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.

--
Eduard

David Heffelfinger wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:





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Re: Problem Reporter

[Sven Reimers]

Hi,

I think this is just a service so it could run on the netbeans-vm similiar
tp Synergy?

But the implementation will need work to be compatible with new environment
at apache..

is the code part of the donation?

@jarda should know?

Sven

Am 08.03.2018 15:54 schrieb "Neil C Smith" :

> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 14:41 Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, we haven’t migrated the Exception Reporter to Apache yet (and don’t
> > really know how).
> >
>
> Should we just (temporarily) replace with an action that open JIRA with the
> external browser API?
>
> Mental note - must have a look through that list of URL's in the IDE from
> website discussions, and maybe post here.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>

Re: Problem Reporter

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 14:41 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> No, we haven’t migrated the Exception Reporter to Apache yet (and don’t
> really know how).
>

Should we just (temporarily) replace with an action that open JIRA with the
external browser API?

Mental note - must have a look through that list of URL's in the IDE from
website discussions, and maybe post here.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Problem Reporter

[Geertjan Wielenga]

No, we haven’t migrated the Exception Reporter to Apache yet (and don’t
really know how).

Gj

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Mark Struberg  wrote:

> Hi folks!
> Just a random user question from me this time ;)
>
> I was using the installing NetBeans on my Linux desktop and tried using
> the internal search line.And got a problem reported
> (ClassNotFoundException: javax.help.search.SearchEngine).
> The 'Report Problem' dialogue and stuff still seems to work via the
> netbeans.org page.I somehow was not able to create an account over there.
> Is this broken or did I do something wrong?
> LieGrue,strub
>

Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Scott Palmer]

I agree that it is too early to remove support for Subversion.
I also agree that the best alternative to it is Mercurial. (It’s like Git meant 
for use by for humans ;-))
I would hate to see support for either dropped.

Scott

> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Paul Franz  wrote:
> 
> There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
> removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic here.
> 
> Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support from 
> NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of course 
> older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I think removing 
> support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad overall move.
> 
> Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
> Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects located 
> on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I use the 
> command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So I know that I 
> am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to interact with source 
> code control.
> 
> Paul Franz
> Senior Principal Applications Engineer
> Oracle Transportation Management
> 
> 
> Forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Claus Lüthje 
>> To: Eduard 
>> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
>> 
>> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
>> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality is 
>> slower …
>> 
>> Claus
>> 
>>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
>>> 
>>> I'm using SVN.
>>> 
>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
>>> usefulnes of NB for me.
>>> -- 
>>> Eduard
>>> 
>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
 Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
 
 David

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Re: Possible Removal of SVN

[Mark Struberg]

tons of companies and projects are still using SVN. Also new projects. 
While git is great, it is also very easy to destroy a GIT repo.This is a major 
reason why some companies still prefer SVN.The other argument is security. SVN 
is strictly centralised and file based. So you cannot take the whole projects 
offline (sometimes that is bad, sometimes good) and you can set the access to 
very specific portions of the code. 
So I'd highly recommend not removing the SVN support.
 
LieGrue,strub

On Thursday, 8 March 2018, 15:29:43 CET, Paul Franz  
wrote:  
 
 There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
here.

Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support 
from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of 
course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I 
think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad 
overall move.

Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I 
use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So 
I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to 
interact with source code control.

Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


Forwarded message:

> From: Claus Lüthje 
> To: Eduard 
> Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100
>
> Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
> I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
> is slower …
>
> Claus
>
>> Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :
>>
>> I'm using SVN.
>>
>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
>> reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.
>> -- 
>> Eduard
>>
>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>>> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT 
>>> organizers.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>

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Problem Reporter

[Mark Struberg]

Hi folks!
Just a random user question from me this time ;)

I was using the installing NetBeans on my Linux desktop and tried using the 
internal search line.And got a problem reported (ClassNotFoundException: 
javax.help.search.SearchEngine).
The 'Report Problem' dialogue and stuff still seems to work via the 
netbeans.org page.I somehow was not able to create an account over there. Is 
this broken or did I do something wrong?
LieGrue,strub

Possible Removal of SVN

[Paul Franz]

There has been a discussion going on in the NetBeans Users list about 
removing support for SVN. And it was recommended to bring up the topic 
here.


Just to give me 2 cents into the thought of removing Subversion support 
from NetBeans. I am against it just because older FLOSS projects and of 
course older internal projects for corporations use Subversion. So I 
think removing support for Subversion from NetBeans would be a bad 
overall move.


Just so that you have a little background on me. I use ClearCase and 
Subversion for the corporation I work for. For my personal projects 
located on BitBucket I use Mercurial. And for most part in both cases I 
use the command-line for most of my source code control interaction. So 
I know that I am an outlier, but my fellow developers need to GUIs to 
interact with source code control.


Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


Forwarded message:


From: Claus Lüthje 
To: Eduard 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:24 +0100

Many customers I worked with here in Switzerland still use SVN, too.
I completely understand the urge to leave SVN for eg Git, but reality 
is slower …


Claus


Am 08.03.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Eduard :

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
reduce the usefulnes of NB for me.

--
Eduard

David Heffelfinger wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT 
organizers.


David

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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 12:26 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> ...
> 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
> ...
>
> Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:
>
> https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html
> ...

If no one objects within 24 hours,
> we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.
>

Thanks Geertjan.  Two comments from my own experiences of NetBeans Days,
not meant as objections.

* I still think we need another wording for (or clarification on) "no
commercial sponsors".  I get the reasoning behind it, and obviously needs
to be in line with the longer #3 on that page, but surely we wouldn't want
to discourage commercial companies from hosting or helping organise these?

* Perhaps #2 could be NetBeans or a NetBeans-derived technology?  RCP demos
are cool too! ;-)

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Neil
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Re: Netbeans presentation in Hong Kong

[Enrico Scantamburlo]

I did this some years ago
https://www.slideshare.net/scanti/studio-sl-jug

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Peter Cheung  wrote:

> Dear All
>
> I will hold a 30 mins talk about netbeans plugin development in Hong
> Kong (http://codeaholics.io), is there any good powerpoint i can have a
> look. I want to know what points can attract people to use/extend netbeans.
>
>
> Thanks
> From Peter
>

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[Michael Nascimento]

NetBeans Days are always exciting and it'll be great to call them
Apache NetBeans Days now. NetBeans is embracing the Apache way.
Congrats to the community!

Regards,
Michael

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
> defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be
> able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events which
> happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part of
> that class:
> 1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
> NetBeans.
> 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
> 3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.
>
> Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:
>
> https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html
>
> Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
> foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of any
> kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
> we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj

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Re: AW: Automating website publishing

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 11:29 Thilina Ranathunga  wrote:

> At this stage, the site is getting updates frequently (say, Multiple
> commits/pull requests per day). So, I assume "c) Each X days" would be good
> in the current situation.
>

Why?  Having run a range of sites for clients and personally off a similar
arrangement, I don't see the issue with having multiple builds happen in a
day.  I'd much rather people can immediately check any applied changes have
built and applied correctly to the live site.

Just as a point of comparison, GitHub pages has a limit of 10 builds per
hour, Netlify of 3 builds per minute - multiple builds in a day doesn't
seem like we're asking a lot from the infrastructure.

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[LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

Following the mentor advice below, we need documented consensus on what
defines an 'Apache NetBeans Day', i.e., the requirements for an event to be
able to be named 'Apache NetBeans Day'.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/afc1177e52a4436b99a40b73128c02de7a33af580b5aca444adc074d@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E

I propose that Apache NetBeans Days are defined as a class of events which
happen regularly, with a clear definition of what makes an event be part of
that class:
1. Have its opening keynote focus on the current state and roadmap of
NetBeans.
2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans.
3. Must be discussed/notified via the Apache NetBeans dev mailing list.

Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined:

https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html

Following Apache lazy consensus (https://www.apache.org/
foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus), i.e., no voting or responses of any
kind are needed, except if you object. If no one objects within 24 hours,
we'll assume lazy consensus and implement the above proposal.

Thanks,

Gj

Re: AW: Automating website publishing

[Thilina Ranathunga]

My suggestion is,

At this stage, the site is getting updates frequently (say, Multiple
commits/pull requests per day). So, I assume "c) Each X days" would be good
in the current situation.
Once when the site is more stable and rich enough not to get changed
frequently, we may go for "a) Whenever 'master' is updated."

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Antonio  wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> Yes, I think that makes most sense. I'll update the issue with that.
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
>
>
> On 07/03/18 22:17, Neil C Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 21:10 Antonio,  wrote:
>>
>> The problem I have with publishing whenever master is updated is that if
>>> somebody solves many typos & makes many commits we'll end up with many
>>> builds. That wastes ASF resources.
>>>
>>>
>> Not if we do this by pull request and not direct commits to upstream
>> master.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> --
>>>
>> Neil C Smith
>> Artist & Technologist
>> www.neilcsmith.net
>>
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>>
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Re: AW: Automating website publishing

[Antonio]

Hi Neil,

Yes, I think that makes most sense. I'll update the issue with that.

Thanks,
Antonio

On 07/03/18 22:17, Neil C Smith wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 21:10 Antonio,  wrote:


The problem I have with publishing whenever master is updated is that if
somebody solves many typos & makes many commits we'll end up with many
builds. That wastes ASF resources.



Not if we do this by pull request and not direct commits to upstream
master.

Best wishes,

Neil


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Re: Support of Java 10

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, 08:12 Jan Lahoda,  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Sven Reimers 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least
> basic
> > support for Java 10?
> >
>
> I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon".
>

+1

The last time this came up wasn't there a rough consensus on merging this
prior to NetCAT?

And still +1 for keeping version sync and calling this NB 10! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: Support of Java 10

[Jan Lahoda]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Sven Reimers  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least basic
> support for Java 10?
>

I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon".

Jan


> Thanks
>
> -Sven
>