Re: Existing license headers of template files
I'll change the existing license header because anyone else doesn't have objections. Thanks, Junichi On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:44 AM Matthias Bläsing wrote: > > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, den 14.08.2018, 11:21 +0900 schrieb Junichi Yamamoto: > > If an existing template file has the license header, how should we > > handle it? (see [1]) > > Just change it? or Remove it from the template, then exclude from > > rat? > > > > AFAIR, almost all template files don't have the license header > > because it is "user visible". > > I removed it in [1] because I thought that we should unify that. > > my take on this: > > The license header of the template should not get into the users code, > so if the template does not allow template only comments, then there > should be no license header and the file needs to be excluded from rat > (licenseinfo.xml can then be used to declare the required meta-data) > > If it is a freemarker template, however, there are template only > comments. The only "problem" that was raised in the past was, that > people might be frightened by the license header, when they change the > template. > > I think the fact, that the PHP modules have templates, that had a > GPL/CDDL header prove the opposite. The GPL language is much more > aggressive in its requirements, and I never saw this raised as a > problem. > > I would argue, that adding the ALv2 header to all templates, that > support template only comments is the "right" thing to do. The files > are part of Apache Netbeans and there is not much difference between a > template file and a java file, that produces code. Both are ALv2 > licensed. > > Nothing changes, just because the user does not see it anymore. The > files stay ALv2 licensed and so a user redistributing them without > following the requirements of the ALv2 still violate the license terms. > > Greetings > > Matthias > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Installers
Got it, thank you. Carl On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:40 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Note, everything that is part of NetBeans is free and open source. > > What we're discussing here is whether (1) Oracle is able to donate the code > to Apache, which means Oracle needs to make sure the code really and truly > does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In this > particular case, the 2nd part of not applicable -- Apache will not be > releasing the code that is used to build the installers, i.e., these are > build/compile-time relevant only, so the question of distribution of these > files is irrelevant. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > > > OK thank you. > > > > My understanding is that in general if there are IP issues, the original > > authors cannot write the new/replacement code and those who may write the > > new code should not look at the old code...but I am not an attorney. :) > > > > Carl > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:35 PM Geertjan Wielenga > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, it slipped through the cracks. Possibly there'll be problems with > > > parts of the code because of IP, but I'll be sure to keep this thread > > > updated as we move along with this now, i.e., it will (as much as > > possible > > > of it) be part of the 3rd donation. It would really help if those > > > knowledgeable in this area (there appear to be a lot, in this thread) > > would > > > look at that repo and see whether those scripts and files and so on do > > the > > > job and are what's needed, we're going to need to build up expertise in > > > this area together, sure, Oracle engineers will be available to support > > and > > > answer questions and so on, but the more we spread the knowledge the > > > better. > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Carl Mosca > > wrote: > > > > > > > This is good news. Somehow I got the impression that this code was > not > > > > available due to IP and/or license issues. > > > > > > > > Thank you Gj. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung < > willhart...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most > certainly > > > > > evidence > > > > > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my > > > base > > > > > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? > The > > > > actual > > > > > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with > > the > > > > > > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the > > > nb.org > > > > > > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans > > > > hudson > > > > > > support, not the build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a good point. > > > > > > > > > > Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG > > > > > installers. > > > > > > > > > > Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts > > and > > > > so > > > > > on are found: > > > > > > > > > > http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer > > > > > > > > > > These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we > > have > > > > > been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' > > cluster, > > > > > etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. > > > > > > > > > > So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo > > > into > > > > > the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd > donation. > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had > the > > > > > solution all along and simply not yet included them in the > donation. > > > > > > > > > > Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above > folder > > -- > > > > it > > > > > includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, > > and > > > > > Mac. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a > Mac > > > > Mini. > > > > > > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper > > > permissions > > > > > > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build > > can > > > be > > > > > > ported to the new infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of > the > > > > wheel > > > > > if > > > > > > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to > have > > > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carl J. Mosca > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carl J. Mosca > > > -- Carl J. Mosca
Re: Installers
Note, everything that is part of NetBeans is free and open source. What we're discussing here is whether (1) Oracle is able to donate the code to Apache, which means Oracle needs to make sure the code really and truly does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In this particular case, the 2nd part of not applicable -- Apache will not be releasing the code that is used to build the installers, i.e., these are build/compile-time relevant only, so the question of distribution of these files is irrelevant. Thanks, Gj On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > OK thank you. > > My understanding is that in general if there are IP issues, the original > authors cannot write the new/replacement code and those who may write the > new code should not look at the old code...but I am not an attorney. :) > > Carl > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:35 PM Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > > Yes, it slipped through the cracks. Possibly there'll be problems with > > parts of the code because of IP, but I'll be sure to keep this thread > > updated as we move along with this now, i.e., it will (as much as > possible > > of it) be part of the 3rd donation. It would really help if those > > knowledgeable in this area (there appear to be a lot, in this thread) > would > > look at that repo and see whether those scripts and files and so on do > the > > job and are what's needed, we're going to need to build up expertise in > > this area together, sure, Oracle engineers will be available to support > and > > answer questions and so on, but the more we spread the knowledge the > > better. > > > > Gj > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Carl Mosca > wrote: > > > > > This is good news. Somehow I got the impression that this code was not > > > available due to IP and/or license issues. > > > > > > Thank you Gj. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > > > > evidence > > > > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my > > base > > > > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The > > > actual > > > > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with > the > > > > > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the > > nb.org > > > > > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans > > > hudson > > > > > support, not the build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a good point. > > > > > > > > Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG > > > > installers. > > > > > > > > Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts > and > > > so > > > > on are found: > > > > > > > > http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer > > > > > > > > These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we > have > > > > been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' > cluster, > > > > etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. > > > > > > > > So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo > > into > > > > the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd donation. > > > > > > > > Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had the > > > > solution all along and simply not yet included them in the donation. > > > > > > > > Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above folder > -- > > > it > > > > includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, > and > > > > Mac. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac > > > Mini. > > > > > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper > > permissions > > > > > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build > can > > be > > > > > ported to the new infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the > > > wheel > > > > if > > > > > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > > > But, I don't know. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Carl J. Mosca > > > > > > > > -- > Carl J. Mosca >
Re: Installers
OK thank you. My understanding is that in general if there are IP issues, the original authors cannot write the new/replacement code and those who may write the new code should not look at the old code...but I am not an attorney. :) Carl On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:35 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Yes, it slipped through the cracks. Possibly there'll be problems with > parts of the code because of IP, but I'll be sure to keep this thread > updated as we move along with this now, i.e., it will (as much as possible > of it) be part of the 3rd donation. It would really help if those > knowledgeable in this area (there appear to be a lot, in this thread) would > look at that repo and see whether those scripts and files and so on do the > job and are what's needed, we're going to need to build up expertise in > this area together, sure, Oracle engineers will be available to support and > answer questions and so on, but the more we spread the knowledge the > better. > > Gj > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > > > This is good news. Somehow I got the impression that this code was not > > available due to IP and/or license issues. > > > > Thank you Gj. > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > > > evidence > > > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my > base > > > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The > > actual > > > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with the > > > > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the > nb.org > > > > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans > > hudson > > > > support, not the build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a good point. > > > > > > Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG > > > installers. > > > > > > Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts and > > so > > > on are found: > > > > > > http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer > > > > > > These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we have > > > been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' cluster, > > > etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. > > > > > > So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo > into > > > the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd donation. > > > > > > Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had the > > > solution all along and simply not yet included them in the donation. > > > > > > Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above folder -- > > it > > > includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, and > > > Mac. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac > > Mini. > > > > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper > permissions > > > > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build can > be > > > > ported to the new infrastructure. > > > > > > > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the > > wheel > > > if > > > > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > But, I don't know. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carl J. Mosca > > > -- Carl J. Mosca
Re: Installers
Yes, it slipped through the cracks. Possibly there'll be problems with parts of the code because of IP, but I'll be sure to keep this thread updated as we move along with this now, i.e., it will (as much as possible of it) be part of the 3rd donation. It would really help if those knowledgeable in this area (there appear to be a lot, in this thread) would look at that repo and see whether those scripts and files and so on do the job and are what's needed, we're going to need to build up expertise in this area together, sure, Oracle engineers will be available to support and answer questions and so on, but the more we spread the knowledge the better. Gj On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > This is good news. Somehow I got the impression that this code was not > available due to IP and/or license issues. > > Thank you Gj. > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > > wrote: > > > > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > > evidence > > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The > actual > > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with the > > > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the nb.org > > > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans > hudson > > > support, not the build. > > > > > > > > > That's a good point. > > > > Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG > > installers. > > > > Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts and > so > > on are found: > > > > http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer > > > > These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we have > > been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' cluster, > > etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. > > > > So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo into > > the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd donation. > > > > Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had the > > solution all along and simply not yet included them in the donation. > > > > Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above folder -- > it > > includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, and > > Mac. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac > Mini. > > > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper permissions > > > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build can be > > > ported to the new infrastructure. > > > > > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the > wheel > > if > > > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > > > supported. > > > > > > But, I don't know. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > -- > Carl J. Mosca >
Re: Installers
This is good news. Somehow I got the impression that this code was not available due to IP and/or license issues. Thank you Gj. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > wrote: > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > evidence > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The actual > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with the > > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the nb.org > > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans hudson > > support, not the build. > > > > > That's a good point. > > Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG > installers. > > Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts and so > on are found: > > http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer > > These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we have > been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' cluster, > etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. > > So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo into > the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd donation. > > Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had the > solution all along and simply not yet included them in the donation. > > Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above folder -- it > includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, and > Mac. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > > > > > > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac Mini. > > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper permissions > > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build can be > > ported to the new infrastructure. > > > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the wheel > if > > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > > supported. > > > > But, I don't know. > > > > Regards. > > > -- Carl J. Mosca
Re: nb-javac source / signing
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 15:41, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > Yes, indeed, it is in the archives: Yes, sorry! Noticed after I sent. That's a better archive view - must use that one - the one at mail-archives is rather cumbersome! Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: nb-javac source / signing
Yes, indeed, it is in the archives: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/51046ed22619f373d7f9f61d07435fd1233a5f2efcb6b0cb9b6233ca@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E Don't know the answer off hand, will investigate, if others know answers here, please say so. Gj On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: > Apologies if you've already seen this - sent a week ago but just > noticed not in archives?! > > Hi, > > Not sure if I've missed some info somewhere, but is a source repo link > and relevant tag for the nb-javac that users are prompted to install > documented somewhere they (or I for that matter) can easily find? Is > it still at http://hg.netbeans.org/main/nb-javac ? What revision / > branch? Specifically I'm personally looking at updating my IDE > project to use NetBeans 9.0 but want to ship with nb-javac > pre-included. > > Also, what are the barriers to having nb-javac signed in such a way > that it doesn't provoke a self-signed warning for NetBeans end users? > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Neil > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: Installers
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung wrote: > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly evidence > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The actual > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with the > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the nb.org > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans hudson > support, not the build. > That's a good point. Installers were always created for NetBeans releases, including DMG installers. Looking in the hg repo at Oracle, this is where the related scripts and so on are found: http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/file/tip/installer These have not yet been included in the donation process, since we have been focusing on clusters (e.g., the 'java' cluster, the 'php' cluster, etc) and this 'installer' folder falls outside the clusters. So, we will work on including the installer folder from the hg repo into the donation that we're currently working on, i.e., the 3rd donation. Apologies for not thinking about this earlier -- i.e., we've had the solution all along and simply not yet included them in the donation. Can those knowledgeable in this area take a look at the above folder -- it includes everything needed AFAIK for installers for Windows, Linux, and Mac. Thanks, Gj > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac Mini. > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper permissions > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build can be > ported to the new infrastructure. > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the wheel if > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > supported. > > But, I don't know. > > Regards. >
nb-javac source / signing
Apologies if you've already seen this - sent a week ago but just noticed not in archives?! Hi, Not sure if I've missed some info somewhere, but is a source repo link and relevant tag for the nb-javac that users are prompted to install documented somewhere they (or I for that matter) can easily find? Is it still at http://hg.netbeans.org/main/nb-javac ? What revision / branch? Specifically I'm personally looking at updating my IDE project to use NetBeans 9.0 but want to ship with nb-javac pre-included. Also, what are the barriers to having nb-javac signed in such a way that it doesn't provoke a self-signed warning for NetBeans end users? Thanks and best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Installers
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Excellent. So, where is your DMG solution, please? > > > > Can you stop sending e-mails for the moment and create the solution that > > you're missing? Yes, maybe you don't know how to do that, though maybe > you > > can invest the time that you would have spent in replying to this in > > learning how to do what it is that you believe should be done? > > > > Apparently you're only allowed to contribute to this list if you have a > pull request pending. > Well, that would be the very least to expect when you dismiss the existing solutions as "these techniques are both, simply, terrible". :-) Gj > > That's fine. > > But, before I go, it's was not even clear there was consensus on what to > do, what was desired, and was positing potential alternatives. For all I > know, folks would rather have a MacPorts or Homebrew solution and tell the > MacOs users "Let them eat bash scripts!". > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly evidence > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The actual > build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with the > Hudson server (I can't seem to connect to the one linked at the nb.org > page). All of the hudson.* directories seem to relate to NetBeans hudson > support, not the build. > > Finally, the Apache infrastructure has a build bot running on a Mac Mini. > If the original build scripts can be found, and the proper permissions > acquired on the Mac Build bot, then, ideally, the previous build can be > ported to the new infrastructure. > > Ideally, this shouldn't have to be a clean room reinvention of the wheel if > it were deigned to be something that the group still wanted to have > supported. > > But, I don't know. > > Regards. >
