Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
> I'm confused by what's going on here. Have the mentors voted against the > release, or have not enough mentors voted in favor? Is there consensus > among them on what is keeping us from getting a positive result? Not enough votes so far. > And why is there so much shilly-shallying about over build systems here > when we have bigger fish to fry? No harm in discussing tangential things. > How can the average non-committer help to get a release out the door? Pick a remaining issue from the end of https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 and do some more IP clearance / licensing work. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 26 May 2018 7:04 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 05/26/2018 04:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 release. > > > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org mailing > > list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22fb1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@ > > First of all, it's"gene...@incubator.apache.org", yes? > > I'm confused by what's going on here. Have the mentors voted against the > > release, or have not enough mentors voted in favor? Is there consensus > > among them on what is keeping us from getting a positive result? > > And why is there so much shilly-shallying about over build systems here > > when we have bigger fish to fry? How can the average non-committer help > > to get a release out the door? > > > > > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
> First of all, it's "gene...@incubator.apache.org", yes? Yes! Too many .org domains :-) --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 26 May 2018 7:04 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 05/26/2018 04:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 release. > > > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org mailing > > list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22fb1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@ > > First of all, it's"gene...@incubator.apache.org", yes? > > I'm confused by what's going on here. Have the mentors voted against the > > release, or have not enough mentors voted in favor? Is there consensus > > among them on what is keeping us from getting a positive result? > > And why is there so much shilly-shallying about over build systems here > > when we have bigger fish to fry? How can the average non-committer help > > to get a release out the door? > > > > > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
I agree, we should consider doing, maybe twice a month, a Skype call or Zoom call or something lke that, and then everything could be explained by audio, even though based on Apache rules none of it would be binding, but it would be just to clarify things. How to try out the release is explained at the start of the VOTE thread, indeed without following those steps you should not vote. Gj On Saturday, May 26, 2018, Victor Williams Stafusa da Silva < victorwssi...@gmail.com> wrote: > @GW > > I am someone that usually is only an occasional lurker here. So, I'll speak > what are the reasons to not vote anything. I don't know if RC1 is good > enough for a release because I didn't tested it. Casting a vote in this > circumstance would be irresponsible, because in my opinion, I shouldn't > vote either for or against something that I don't have enough knowledge > about. I.E. the classic bikeshed vs atomic plant problem. > > This would of course, spark some other discussion about why do many people > only lurk here but very rarely post anything and how to get people more > involved. In my case, I think that it is very hard to understand what the > heck is going on, since I'll need to dig up information in a lot of mailing > lists archives, a very time-consuming, laborious and boring task. > > I could argue that mailing lists are an horrible format nowadays for > achieving multiple-participants discussions, it looks like something right > from the Stone Age if compared to other more modern formats like forums, > social networks, StackOverflow (which works hard to at least try to improve > the signal-to-noise ratio), Disqus, etc, which are much more friendly for > people who are searching for useful information in past conversations > instead only participating in what is happening right now. This particular > problem severely hinders my participation here and in many other places too > that I'm only occasionally lurking (like JDK lists). It all goes to the > same root problem: for occasionally participating people, understanding > what the heck is going on is hard, searching for information on that is > also hard and the signal-to-noise ratio is very low. However, this is an > issue for something else. > > Victor Williams Stafusa da Silva > > 2018-05-26 6:34 GMT-03:00 Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > > > Done! > > > > Others, please do so too. > > > > The voting process is the culmination of an Apache release -- and > there'll > > be really a lot of them for Apache NetBeans. The simplest and most > > effective way you can show your support for Apache NetBeans is to > actively > > participate in the voting process. There's no standing on the sidelines > in > > Apache, no lurking on the mailing lists, especially when it comes to > > voting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Emilian Bold < > emilian.b...@protonmail.ch > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 > > release. > > > > > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org > > > mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22f > > > b1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
On 05/26/2018 04:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 > release. > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org > mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread Done. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
@GW I am someone that usually is only an occasional lurker here. So, I'll speak what are the reasons to not vote anything. I don't know if RC1 is good enough for a release because I didn't tested it. Casting a vote in this circumstance would be irresponsible, because in my opinion, I shouldn't vote either for or against something that I don't have enough knowledge about. I.E. the classic bikeshed vs atomic plant problem. This would of course, spark some other discussion about why do many people only lurk here but very rarely post anything and how to get people more involved. In my case, I think that it is very hard to understand what the heck is going on, since I'll need to dig up information in a lot of mailing lists archives, a very time-consuming, laborious and boring task. I could argue that mailing lists are an horrible format nowadays for achieving multiple-participants discussions, it looks like something right from the Stone Age if compared to other more modern formats like forums, social networks, StackOverflow (which works hard to at least try to improve the signal-to-noise ratio), Disqus, etc, which are much more friendly for people who are searching for useful information in past conversations instead only participating in what is happening right now. This particular problem severely hinders my participation here and in many other places too that I'm only occasionally lurking (like JDK lists). It all goes to the same root problem: for occasionally participating people, understanding what the heck is going on is hard, searching for information on that is also hard and the signal-to-noise ratio is very low. However, this is an issue for something else. Victor Williams Stafusa da Silva 2018-05-26 6:34 GMT-03:00 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > Done! > > Others, please do so too. > > The voting process is the culmination of an Apache release -- and there'll > be really a lot of them for Apache NetBeans. The simplest and most > effective way you can show your support for Apache NetBeans is to actively > participate in the voting process. There's no standing on the sidelines in > Apache, no lurking on the mailing lists, especially when it comes to > voting. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Emilian Bold > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 > release. > > > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org > > mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22f > > b1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > --emi > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
Yes. gene...@incubator.netbeans.org. Simply, the PPMC vote on the dev mailing list has succeeded. Now the IPMC vote is taking place, on the general mailing list. IPMC members, e.g., our mentors, have a binding vote there, Ate and Bertrand have already voted +1. Anyone else can vote too there, though non-binding unless you’re an IPMC member. We need three binding +1 votes and anything else is icing on the cake, the more icing the better. And all this stuff in this thread about build systems should be ignored. If someone wants to discuss something unrelated to voting, please stop hijacking this thread and start a new one. Thanks, Gj On Saturday, May 26, 2018, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 05/26/2018 04:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 > release. > > > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org > mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22f > b1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > First of all, it's "gene...@incubator.apache.org", yes? > > I'm confused by what's going on here. Have the mentors voted against the > release, or have not enough mentors voted in favor? Is there consensus > among them on what is keeping us from getting a positive result? > > And why is there so much shilly-shallying about over build systems here > when we have bigger fish to fry? How can the average non-committer help > to get a release out the door? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
On 05/26/2018 04:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 release. > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org mailing > list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22fb1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E First of all, it's "gene...@incubator.apache.org", yes? I'm confused by what's going on here. Have the mentors voted against the release, or have not enough mentors voted in favor? Is there consensus among them on what is keeping us from getting a positive result? And why is there so much shilly-shallying about over build systems here when we have bigger fish to fry? How can the average non-committer help to get a release out the door? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
Done! Others, please do so too. The voting process is the culmination of an Apache release -- and there'll be really a lot of them for Apache NetBeans. The simplest and most effective way you can show your support for Apache NetBeans is to actively participate in the voting process. There's no standing on the sidelines in Apache, no lurking on the mailing lists, especially when it comes to voting. Thanks, Gj On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > Hello, > > We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 release. > > So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org > mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22f > b1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > --emi > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Vote for Apache NetBeans RC1 on the incubator mailing list
Hello, We have insufficient votes on the Apache NetBeans (incubating) RC1 release. So, I encourage everyone to join the gene...@incubator.netbeans.org mailing list and add their non-binding vote to our thread: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/13af566fb266308d0a91c3e860d22fb1766464df9fe94126d74084fb@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
