subject:"Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode"

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-19 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

wrote some comments in PRs :)
Hopefully `npm-way` will be welcomed by the community :)

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 08:48, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah let me update the docs and you can review
>
> We can write _simple_ script to generate all those images using ImageMagic
>
> There is actually an easier way to generate the icons, snippets and in a
> single command. I think easier at least from my perspective.
>
> Let me update the docs.
>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
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>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 21:12, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> > Now I understand :(
> > OK let it be
> >
> > But we can help our users
> > We can write _simple_ script to generate all those images using
> ImageMagic
> > (which is our pre-requisite)
> > WDYT?
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:57, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> > >
> > > => We can update the docs on how to customise those icons. It is not
> > hard,
> > > it's just not easy to automate.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > > > I see nothing so special in ios
> > > > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
> > >
> > > Manifest file uses only 2 images
> > >
> > > => iOS does not use the icons from the manifest file. It uses the  > ...
> > > > tags from inside the html file.
> > > => Most of those icons are the "splash" screen for iOS, not the actual
> > home
> > > screen icon.
> > >
> > > All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> > > > listed in manifest)
> > > > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
> > >
> > > => In fact all those images are generated from a single SVG file.
> > > But unfortunately Android/iOS does not support SVG for home screen
> icons
> > > and preview icons.
> > > And also iOS does not support it for the splash screen. So it needs the
> > > images pre-rendered.
> > >
> > > We can provide some instructions on how to update the icons for
> > > customisation. Like I say, it's not hard, it is just not that easy to
> > > automate (and reference a single SVG as you suggested for example).
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 14:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > from mobile (sorry for typos ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(
> > > > >
> > > > > =>They are generated from the same icon, see:
> > > > > https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
> > > > > But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings
> > changes
> > > > its
> > > > > icon/logo.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> > > > So *every* om user should recreate those icons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > We require those icons because iOS requires different icons
> > > pre-rendered
> > > > in
> > > > > different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > > > I see nothing so special in ios
> > > > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
> > > >
> > > > Manifest file uses only 2 images
> > > >
> > > > But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in
> > different
> > > > > screen resolutions pre-compiled.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> > > > >
> > > > > => I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > since 3 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> > > listed
> > > > in manifest)
> > > > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Sebastian
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > >

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-18 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

Yeah let me update the docs and you can review

We can write _simple_ script to generate all those images using ImageMagic

There is actually an easier way to generate the icons, snippets and in a
single command. I think easier at least from my perspective.

Let me update the docs.

Thanks
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 21:12, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Now I understand :(
> OK let it be
>
> But we can help our users
> We can write _simple_ script to generate all those images using ImageMagic
> (which is our pre-requisite)
> WDYT?
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:57, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> >
> > => We can update the docs on how to customise those icons. It is not
> hard,
> > it's just not easy to automate.
> >
> >
> > > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > > I see nothing so special in ios
> > > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
> >
> > Manifest file uses only 2 images
> >
> > => iOS does not use the icons from the manifest file. It uses the  ...
> > > tags from inside the html file.
> > => Most of those icons are the "splash" screen for iOS, not the actual
> home
> > screen icon.
> >
> > All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> > > listed in manifest)
> > > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
> >
> > => In fact all those images are generated from a single SVG file.
> > But unfortunately Android/iOS does not support SVG for home screen icons
> > and preview icons.
> > And also iOS does not support it for the splash screen. So it needs the
> > images pre-rendered.
> >
> > We can provide some instructions on how to update the icons for
> > customisation. Like I say, it's not hard, it is just not that easy to
> > automate (and reference a single SVG as you suggested for example).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sebastian
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > <
> >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 14:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > from mobile (sorry for typos ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(
> > > >
> > > > =>They are generated from the same icon, see:
> > > > https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
> > > > But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings
> changes
> > > its
> > > > icon/logo.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> > > So *every* om user should recreate those icons
> > >
> > >
> > > > We require those icons because iOS requires different icons
> > pre-rendered
> > > in
> > > > different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > > I see nothing so special in ios
> > > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
> > >
> > > Manifest file uses only 2 images
> > >
> > > But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in
> different
> > > > screen resolutions pre-compiled.
> > > >
> > > > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> > > >
> > > > => I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been the
> > > same
> > > > since 3 years ago.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55
> > >
> > >
> > > All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> > listed
> > > in manifest)
> > > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Sebastian
> > > >
> > > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > > > >
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 04:40, Maxim Solodovnik  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just have added some review comments
> > > > >
> >

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-18 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

Now I understand :(
OK let it be

But we can help our users
We can write _simple_ script to generate all those images using ImageMagic
(which is our pre-requisite)
WDYT?

On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:57, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> >
> > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
>
> => We can update the docs on how to customise those icons. It is not hard,
> it's just not easy to automate.
>
>
> > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > I see nothing so special in ios
> > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
>
> Manifest file uses only 2 images
>
> => iOS does not use the icons from the manifest file. It uses the  > tags from inside the html file.
> => Most of those icons are the "splash" screen for iOS, not the actual home
> screen icon.
>
> All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> > listed in manifest)
> > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
>
> => In fact all those images are generated from a single SVG file.
> But unfortunately Android/iOS does not support SVG for home screen icons
> and preview icons.
> And also iOS does not support it for the splash screen. So it needs the
> images pre-rendered.
>
> We can provide some instructions on how to update the icons for
> customisation. Like I say, it's not hard, it is just not that easy to
> automate (and reference a single SVG as you suggested for example).
>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 14:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> > from mobile (sorry for typos ;)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(
> > >
> > > =>They are generated from the same icon, see:
> > > https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
> > > But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings changes
> > its
> > > icon/logo.
> > >
> >
> > Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> > So *every* om user should recreate those icons
> >
> >
> > > We require those icons because iOS requires different icons
> pre-rendered
> > in
> > > different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
> > >
> >
> > I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> > I see nothing so special in ios
> > And I believe there should some sort of fallback
> >
> > Manifest file uses only 2 images
> >
> > But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in different
> > > screen resolutions pre-compiled.
> > >
> > > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> > >
> > > => I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been the
> > same
> > > since 3 years ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55
> >
> >
> > All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> listed
> > in manifest)
> > One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 04:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just have added some review comments
> > > >
> > > > The code is very compact
> > > > And I like the idea of using InfoWebService for customizing manifest
> :)
> > > >
> > > > I would add 30 new icons
> > > > I believe this is too much :(
> > > > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://medium.com/swlh/are-you-using-svg-favicons-yet-a-guide-for-modern-browsers-836a6aace3df
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 07:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked
> > wiki
> > > > > page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons
> in
> > > > > different resolutions.
> > > > >
> > > > > This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home
> screen"
> > > > > function:
> > > > >
> > > > >- Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
> > > > >- Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
> > > > >- Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after
> saving
> > > to
> > > > >

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-17 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

>
> Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons

=> We can update the docs on how to customise those icons. It is not hard,
it's just not easy to automate.


> I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> I see nothing so special in ios
> And I believe there should some sort of fallback

Manifest file uses only 2 images

=> iOS does not use the icons from the manifest file. It uses the  tags from inside the html file.
=> Most of those icons are the "splash" screen for iOS, not the actual home
screen icon.

All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those
> listed in manifest)
> One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)

=> In fact all those images are generated from a single SVG file.
But unfortunately Android/iOS does not support SVG for home screen icons
and preview icons.
And also iOS does not support it for the splash screen. So it needs the
images pre-rendered.

We can provide some instructions on how to update the icons for
customisation. Like I say, it's not hard, it is just not that easy to
automate (and reference a single SVG as you suggested for example).

Thanks
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 14:40, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> from mobile (sorry for typos ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(
> >
> > =>They are generated from the same icon, see:
> > https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
> > But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings changes
> its
> > icon/logo.
> >
>
> Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
> So *every* om user should recreate those icons
>
>
> > We require those icons because iOS requires different icons pre-rendered
> in
> > different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
> >
>
> I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
> I see nothing so special in ios
> And I believe there should some sort of fallback
>
> Manifest file uses only 2 images
>
> But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in different
> > screen resolutions pre-compiled.
> >
> > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> >
> > => I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been the
> same
> > since 3 years ago.
> >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55
>
>
> All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those listed
> in manifest)
> One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sebastian
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 04:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Just have added some review comments
> > >
> > > The code is very compact
> > > And I like the idea of using InfoWebService for customizing manifest :)
> > >
> > > I would add 30 new icons
> > > I believe this is too much :(
> > > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://medium.com/swlh/are-you-using-svg-favicons-yet-a-guide-for-modern-browsers-836a6aace3df
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 07:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked
> wiki
> > > > page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons in
> > > > different resolutions.
> > > >
> > > > This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home screen"
> > > > function:
> > > >
> > > >- Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
> > > >- Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
> > > >- Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after saving
> > to
> > > >home screen on the mobile
> > > >- Remove url and navigation bar in browser so it uses the full
> > screen
> > > >size
> > > >- Fix to landscape mode (Android only, iOS does not support it)
> > > >- Show a nice icon and name when rotating through currently open
> > apps
> > > on
> > > >the mobile device
> > > >
> > > > You *may* call this PWA mode. However really it's just a fancy
> > bookmark.
> > > > However it makes the application look much more like a native mobile
> > app.
> > > > And it makes it easier to control the

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-17 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

from mobile (sorry for typos ;)


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> >
> > I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(
>
> =>They are generated from the same icon, see:
> https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
> But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings changes its
> icon/logo.
>

Lot's of our users (all of them) has their own icons
So *every* om user should recreate those icons


> We require those icons because iOS requires different icons pre-rendered in
> different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
>

I doubt _we require_ these icons :(
I see nothing so special in ios
And I believe there should some sort of fallback

Manifest file uses only 2 images

But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in different
> screen resolutions pre-compiled.
>
> I would modify favicon to be SVG
>
> => I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been the same
> since 3 years ago.
>
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55


All these added images are no more than a favicons (including those listed
in manifest)
One svg can provide substitute fir all of them :)


>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 04:40, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> > Just have added some review comments
> >
> > The code is very compact
> > And I like the idea of using InfoWebService for customizing manifest :)
> >
> > I would add 30 new icons
> > I believe this is too much :(
> > I would modify favicon to be SVG
> >
> >
> https://medium.com/swlh/are-you-using-svg-favicons-yet-a-guide-for-modern-browsers-836a6aace3df
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 07:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked wiki
> > > page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons in
> > > different resolutions.
> > >
> > > This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home screen"
> > > function:
> > >
> > >- Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
> > >- Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
> > >- Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after saving
> to
> > >home screen on the mobile
> > >- Remove url and navigation bar in browser so it uses the full
> screen
> > >size
> > >- Fix to landscape mode (Android only, iOS does not support it)
> > >- Show a nice icon and name when rotating through currently open
> apps
> > on
> > >the mobile device
> > >
> > > You *may* call this PWA mode. However really it's just a fancy
> bookmark.
> > > However it makes the application look much more like a native mobile
> app.
> > > And it makes it easier to control the url/navigation bar of the
> browser.
> > >
> > > See documentation on mobile experience or iOS and Android here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+Mobile#OpenMeetingsMobile-Savetohomescreentocreatebettermobileexperience
> > >
> > > *It has no impact on any other functionality of OpenMeetings (as well
> as
> > it
> > > does not require any rewrite of any functionality).*
> > >
> > > What could be done next:
> > >
> > >- Adding a prompt in iOS to suggest landscape mode (iOS "add to home
> > >screen" functionality does not support orientation=landscape
> feature,
> > > needs
> > >user prompt when in portrait mode)
> > >- Potentially something that makes this "Add to home screen" easier
> to
> > >find for users
> > >- Documentation on how to release to the App store. Using this "Add
> to
> > >home screen" mode it is easier to also package it up to release
> > >OpenMeetings to an App store
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Seb
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 05:27, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > > > > > I believe the

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-17 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

>
> I would add 30 new icons I believe this is too much :(

=>They are generated from the same icon, see:
https://github.com/onderceylan/pwa-asset-generator
But I doubt anybody needs to do that again. Unless OpenMeetings changes its
icon/logo.

We require those icons because iOS requires different icons pre-rendered in
different screen resolutions. Because iOS is special :)
But also it's common in Mobile development to require images in different
screen resolutions pre-compiled.

I would modify favicon to be SVG

=> I did not change the favicon. The Favicon declaration has been the same
since 3 years ago.
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blame/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html#L55

Thanks
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 04:40, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Just have added some review comments
>
> The code is very compact
> And I like the idea of using InfoWebService for customizing manifest :)
>
> I would add 30 new icons
> I believe this is too much :(
> I would modify favicon to be SVG
>
> https://medium.com/swlh/are-you-using-svg-favicons-yet-a-guide-for-modern-browsers-836a6aace3df
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 07:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked wiki
> > page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons in
> > different resolutions.
> >
> > This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home screen"
> > function:
> >
> >- Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
> >- Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
> >- Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after saving to
> >home screen on the mobile
> >- Remove url and navigation bar in browser so it uses the full screen
> >size
> >- Fix to landscape mode (Android only, iOS does not support it)
> >- Show a nice icon and name when rotating through currently open apps
> on
> >the mobile device
> >
> > You *may* call this PWA mode. However really it's just a fancy bookmark.
> > However it makes the application look much more like a native mobile app.
> > And it makes it easier to control the url/navigation bar of the browser.
> >
> > See documentation on mobile experience or iOS and Android here:
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+Mobile#OpenMeetingsMobile-Savetohomescreentocreatebettermobileexperience
> >
> > *It has no impact on any other functionality of OpenMeetings (as well as
> it
> > does not require any rewrite of any functionality).*
> >
> > What could be done next:
> >
> >- Adding a prompt in iOS to suggest landscape mode (iOS "add to home
> >screen" functionality does not support orientation=landscape feature,
> > needs
> >user prompt when in portrait mode)
> >- Potentially something that makes this "Add to home screen" easier to
> >find for users
> >- Documentation on how to release to the App store. Using this "Add to
> >home screen" mode it is easier to also package it up to release
> >OpenMeetings to an App store
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 05:27, Maxim Solodovnik 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > > > > I believe the content should be controlled on server
> > > >
> > > > => There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving
> > to
> > > > home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it
> > with
> > > > other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end".
> It
> > > has
> > > > nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the
> > > > application is more or less executed on the client or server side.
> It's
> > > > just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wrote PWA for one client
> > > It was serverless app
> > > and as PWA it was working in offline mode
> > > AFAIK you need some cache and background worker
> > >
> > > If you feel it is easy and useful: I would say let's try :)
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-17 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

Just have added some review comments

The code is very compact
And I like the idea of using InfoWebService for customizing manifest :)

I would add 30 new icons
I believe this is too much :(
I would modify favicon to be SVG
https://medium.com/swlh/are-you-using-svg-favicons-yet-a-guide-for-modern-browsers-836a6aace3df


On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 07:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked wiki
> page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons in
> different resolutions.
>
> This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home screen"
> function:
>
>- Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
>- Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
>- Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after saving to
>home screen on the mobile
>- Remove url and navigation bar in browser so it uses the full screen
>size
>- Fix to landscape mode (Android only, iOS does not support it)
>- Show a nice icon and name when rotating through currently open apps on
>the mobile device
>
> You *may* call this PWA mode. However really it's just a fancy bookmark.
> However it makes the application look much more like a native mobile app.
> And it makes it easier to control the url/navigation bar of the browser.
>
> See documentation on mobile experience or iOS and Android here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+Mobile#OpenMeetingsMobile-Savetohomescreentocreatebettermobileexperience
>
> *It has no impact on any other functionality of OpenMeetings (as well as it
> does not require any rewrite of any functionality).*
>
> What could be done next:
>
>- Adding a prompt in iOS to suggest landscape mode (iOS "add to home
>screen" functionality does not support orientation=landscape feature,
> needs
>user prompt when in portrait mode)
>- Potentially something that makes this "Add to home screen" easier to
>find for users
>- Documentation on how to release to the App store. Using this "Add to
>home screen" mode it is easier to also package it up to release
>OpenMeetings to an App store
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 05:27, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > > > I believe the content should be controlled on server
> > >
> > > => There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving
> to
> > > home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it
> with
> > > other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end". It
> > has
> > > nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the
> > > application is more or less executed on the client or server side. It's
> > > just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all.
> > >
> >
> > I wrote PWA for one client
> > It was serverless app
> > and as PWA it was working in offline mode
> > AFAIK you need some cache and background worker
> >
> > If you feel it is easy and useful: I would say let's try :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Seb
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 10:15, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can
> > see.
> > > > I think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing
> > > else
> > > > than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more
> > > aspects
> > > > more explicitly.
> > > >
> > > > It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks.
> > > It's
> > > > still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have
> > > when
> > > > using a normal browser.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Seb
> > > >
> > > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > > >
> > > > <
> > >
>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-16 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

Done. I've added some details and screenshots in the PR and linked wiki
page. It's actually quite a small PR part from adding a few icons in
different resolutions.

This adds so that when using the mobile browsers "Add to home screen"
function:

   - Show a nice icon in the screens and on the mobile device
   - Show a nice name for the app in the mobile
   - Show a nice splash screen when opening OpenMeetings after saving to
   home screen on the mobile
   - Remove url and navigation bar in browser so it uses the full screen
   size
   - Fix to landscape mode (Android only, iOS does not support it)
   - Show a nice icon and name when rotating through currently open apps on
   the mobile device

You *may* call this PWA mode. However really it's just a fancy bookmark.
However it makes the application look much more like a native mobile app.
And it makes it easier to control the url/navigation bar of the browser.

See documentation on mobile experience or iOS and Android here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+Mobile#OpenMeetingsMobile-Savetohomescreentocreatebettermobileexperience

*It has no impact on any other functionality of OpenMeetings (as well as it
does not require any rewrite of any functionality).*

What could be done next:

   - Adding a prompt in iOS to suggest landscape mode (iOS "add to home
   screen" functionality does not support orientation=landscape feature, needs
   user prompt when in portrait mode)
   - Potentially something that makes this "Add to home screen" easier to
   find for users
   - Documentation on how to release to the App store. Using this "Add to
   home screen" mode it is easier to also package it up to release
   OpenMeetings to an App store

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 05:27, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > > I believe the content should be controlled on server
> >
> > => There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving to
> > home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it with
> > other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end". It
> has
> > nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the
> > application is more or less executed on the client or server side. It's
> > just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all.
> >
>
> I wrote PWA for one client
> It was serverless app
> and as PWA it was working in offline mode
> AFAIK you need some cache and background worker
>
> If you feel it is easy and useful: I would say let's try :)
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 10:15, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can
> see.
> > > I think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing
> > else
> > > than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more
> > aspects
> > > more explicitly.
> > >
> > > It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks.
> > It's
> > > still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have
> > when
> > > using a normal browser.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Seb
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > >
> > > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 07:37, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why is it a rewrite?
> > >>
> > >> All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home
> > >> Screen easier.
> > >>
> > >> What other change do you expect?
> > >>
> > >> Thx
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary <
> > >> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I second @Max
> > >>>
> >

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-15 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> >
> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > I believe the content should be controlled on server
>
> => There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving to
> home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it with
> other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end". It has
> nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the
> application is more or less executed on the client or server side. It's
> just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all.
>

I wrote PWA for one client
It was serverless app
and as PWA it was working in offline mode
AFAIK you need some cache and background worker

If you feel it is easy and useful: I would say let's try :)


>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 10:15, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can see.
> > I think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing
> else
> > than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more
> aspects
> > more explicitly.
> >
> > It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks.
> It's
> > still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have
> when
> > using a normal browser.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >
> > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 07:37, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why is it a rewrite?
> >>
> >> All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home
> >> Screen easier.
> >>
> >> What other change do you expect?
> >>
> >> Thx
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary <
> >> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I second @Max
> >>>
> >>> Ali
> >>>
> >>> On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>> > Hello Seb,
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm not happy with converting to PWA
> >>> > This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely
> one
> >>> more
> >>> > time
> >>> > I doubt I can do another rewrite
> >>> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> >>> > I believe the content should be controlled on server
> >>> >
> >>> > But this is an open source project :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new
> Browser
> >>> >> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that
> >>> it
> >>> >> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
> >>> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/
> >>> >>
> >>> >> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the
> >>> additional
> >>> >> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it
> >>> with
> >>> >> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no
> >>> negative
> >>> >> impact.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> In order to support versioning (or different installations of
> >>> OpenMeetings)
> >>> >> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations
> on
> >>> the
> >>> >> same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so
> >>> that it
> >>> >> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it
> >>> might
> >>> >> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on
> >>> your
> >>> >> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA
> >>> (e.g.
> >>> >> local storage).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks
> >>> >> Seb
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> >>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >>> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> >>> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >>> >> <
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >>> >> <
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Are we happy to

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-12 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

>
> Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> I believe the content should be controlled on server

=> There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving to
home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it with
other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end". It has
nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the
application is more or less executed on the client or server side. It's
just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all.

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 10:15, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can see.
> I think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing else
> than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more aspects
> more explicitly.
>
> It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks. It's
> still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have when
> using a normal browser.
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>
> 
> 
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 07:37, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Why is it a rewrite?
>>
>> All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home
>> Screen easier.
>>
>> What other change do you expect?
>>
>> Thx
>> Sebastian
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary <
>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I second @Max
>>>
>>> Ali
>>>
>>> On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > Hello Seb,
>>> >
>>> > I'm not happy with converting to PWA
>>> > This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one
>>> more
>>> > time
>>> > I doubt I can do another rewrite
>>> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
>>> > I believe the content should be controlled on server
>>> >
>>> > But this is an open source project :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
>>> >> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that
>>> it
>>> >> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
>>> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/
>>> >>
>>> >> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the
>>> additional
>>> >> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it
>>> with
>>> >> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no
>>> negative
>>> >> impact.
>>> >>
>>> >> In order to support versioning (or different installations of
>>> OpenMeetings)
>>> >> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on
>>> the
>>> >> same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so
>>> that it
>>> >> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it
>>> might
>>> >> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on
>>> your
>>> >> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA
>>> (e.g.
>>> >> local storage).
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> Seb
>>> >>
>>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>>> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>>> >> <
>>> >>
>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>>> >> <
>>> >>
>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Are we happy to proceed to:
>>> >>>   * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile
>>> devices
>>> >>>   * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>> Seb
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> >>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>>> >>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> >>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>>> >>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>>> >>>
>>> >>> <
>>> >>
>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>>> >>> <
>>> >>
>>>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-12 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can see. I
think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing else
than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more aspects
more explicitly.

It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks. It's
still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have when
using a normal browser.

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 07:37, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Why is it a rewrite?
>
> All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home
> Screen easier.
>
> What other change do you expect?
>
> Thx
> Sebastian
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary 
> wrote:
>
>> I second @Max
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> > Hello Seb,
>> >
>> > I'm not happy with converting to PWA
>> > This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one
>> more
>> > time
>> > I doubt I can do another rewrite
>> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
>> > I believe the content should be controlled on server
>> >
>> > But this is an open source project :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
>> >> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that it
>> >> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
>> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/
>> >>
>> >> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the
>> additional
>> >> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it
>> with
>> >> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no
>> negative
>> >> impact.
>> >>
>> >> In order to support versioning (or different installations of
>> OpenMeetings)
>> >> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on
>> the
>> >> same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so that
>> it
>> >> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it
>> might
>> >> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on
>> your
>> >> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA
>> (e.g.
>> >> local storage).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Seb
>> >>
>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>> >> <
>> >>
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> >> <
>> >>
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Are we happy to proceed to:
>> >>>   * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile
>> devices
>> >>>   * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Seb
>> >>>
>> >>> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>> >>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> >>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>> >>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>> >>>
>> >>> <
>> >>
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> >>> <
>> >>
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> >> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
>> > Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
>> > landscape mode :)" ?
>>  => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I
>>  would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to
>> the
>>  home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into
>> a
>>  Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape
>> mode.
>> 
>>  Cause once its a PWA we can:
>> 
>>  - Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no
>> back
>>  button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays
>> >> away! The
>>  annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL
>> bar
>> >> again
>>  and makes the screen smaller
>>  - Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show
>> "unsupported
>>  orientation" -

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-12 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

Why is it a rewrite?

All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home
Screen easier.

What other change do you expect?

Thx
Sebastian

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary 
wrote:

> I second @Max
>
> Ali
>
> On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > Hello Seb,
> >
> > I'm not happy with converting to PWA
> > This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one
> more
> > time
> > I doubt I can do another rewrite
> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
> > I believe the content should be controlled on server
> >
> > But this is an open source project :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
> >> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that it
> >> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/
> >>
> >> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the
> additional
> >> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it
> with
> >> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no
> negative
> >> impact.
> >>
> >> In order to support versioning (or different installations of
> OpenMeetings)
> >> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on
> the
> >> same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so that
> it
> >> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it
> might
> >> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on
> your
> >> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA (e.g.
> >> local storage).
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Seb
> >>
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >>
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Are we happy to proceed to:
> >>>   * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile
> devices
> >>>   * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Seb
> >>>
> >>> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> >>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> >>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >>>
> >>> <
> >>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >>> <
> >>
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> >> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
> > Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
> > landscape mode :)" ?
>  => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I
>  would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to
> the
>  home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
>  Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape
> mode.
> 
>  Cause once its a PWA we can:
> 
>  - Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no
> back
>  button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays
> >> away! The
>  annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL
> bar
> >> again
>  and makes the screen smaller
>  - Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show
> "unsupported
>  orientation" - user friendly message)
>  - Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home
>  screen (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)
> 
>  So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the
> effort
>  in order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)
> 
>  In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
>  OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to
> >> make
>  it more user friendly in that case.
> 
>  So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just
> >> seems
>  to give more options to improve things.
> 
>  Thanks
>  Seb
> 
>  Sebastian Wagner
>  Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>  http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>  https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>  Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> 
>  <
> >>
>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-12 Thread Ali Alhaidary


I second @Max

Ali

On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:

Hello Seb,

I'm not happy with converting to PWA
This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one more
time
I doubt I can do another rewrite
Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
I believe the content should be controlled on server

But this is an open source project :)


On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:


It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that it
opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/

So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the additional
URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it with
this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no negative
impact.

In order to support versioning (or different installations of OpenMeetings)
- in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on the
same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so that it
does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it might
be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on your
home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA (e.g.
local storage).

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
<
https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
<
https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
Are we happy to proceed to:
  * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile devices
  * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings

<

https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url

<

https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url



On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <

seba.wag...@gmail.com>

wrote:


I would say OM is for landscape mode ...

Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
landscape mode :)" ?

=> That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I
would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to the
home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape mode.

Cause once its a PWA we can:

- Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no back
button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays

away! The

annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL bar

again

and makes the screen smaller
- Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show "unsupported
orientation" - user friendly message)
- Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home
screen (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)

So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the effort
in order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)

In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to

make

it more user friendly in that case.

So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just

seems

to give more options to improve things.

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings

<

https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url

<

https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url


On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik 
wrote:


I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
landscape mode :)" ?

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
seba.wag...@gmail.com>
wrote:


I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was

pretty

much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally

2x2

pixels in size on the screen.

There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login

form:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686

However

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-12 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

Hello Seb,

I'm not happy with converting to PWA
This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one more
time
I doubt I can do another rewrite
Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks
I believe the content should be controlled on server

But this is an open source project :)


On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that it
> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/
>
> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the additional
> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it with
> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no negative
> impact.
>
> In order to support versioning (or different installations of OpenMeetings)
> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on the
> same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so that it
> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it might
> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on your
> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA (e.g.
> local storage).
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > Are we happy to proceed to:
> >  * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile devices
> >  * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >
> > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
> >>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
> >>> landscape mode :)" ?
> >>
> >> => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I
> >> would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to the
> >> home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
> >> Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape mode.
> >>
> >> Cause once its a PWA we can:
> >>
> >>- Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no back
> >>button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays
> away! The
> >>annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL bar
> again
> >>and makes the screen smaller
> >>- Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show "unsupported
> >>orientation" - user friendly message)
> >>- Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home
> >>screen (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)
> >>
> >> So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the effort
> >> in order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)
> >>
> >> In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
> >> OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to
> make
> >> it more user friendly in that case.
> >>
> >> So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just
> seems
> >> to give more options to improve things.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Seb
> >>
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> >>
> >> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> >> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
> >>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
> >>> landscape mode :)" ?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
> >>> > usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was
> >>>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-11 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser
window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that it
opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter:
https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/

So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the additional
URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it with
this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no negative
impact.

In order to support versioning (or different installations of OpenMeetings)
- in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on the
same mobile device  - we can include the name in the PWA name, so that it
does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it might
be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on your
home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA (e.g.
local storage).

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Are we happy to proceed to:
>  * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile devices
>  * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>
> 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
>>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
>>> landscape mode :)" ?
>>
>> => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I
>> would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to the
>> home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
>> Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape mode.
>>
>> Cause once its a PWA we can:
>>
>>- Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no back
>>button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays away! 
>> The
>>annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL bar again
>>and makes the screen smaller
>>- Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show "unsupported
>>orientation" - user friendly message)
>>- Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home
>>screen (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)
>>
>> So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the effort
>> in order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)
>>
>> In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
>> OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to make
>> it more user friendly in that case.
>>
>> So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just seems
>> to give more options to improve things.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
>>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
>>> landscape mode :)" ?
>>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
>>> > usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was
>>> pretty
>>> > much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally
>>> 2x2
>>> > pixels in size on the screen.
>>> >
>>> > There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login form:
>>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
>>> > or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
>>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
>>> >
>>> > However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard is
>>> very
>>> > small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine.
>>> > See screenshots in
>>>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-11 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

Are we happy to proceed to:
 * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile devices
 * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
>> landscape mode :)" ?
>
> => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I would
> probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to the home
> screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
> Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape mode.
>
> Cause once its a PWA we can:
>
>- Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no back
>button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays away! The
>annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL bar again
>and makes the screen smaller
>- Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show "unsupported
>orientation" - user friendly message)
>- Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home screen
>(it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)
>
> So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the effort in
> order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)
>
> In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
> OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to make
> it more user friendly in that case.
>
> So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just seems
> to give more options to improve things.
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>
> 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
>> landscape mode :)" ?
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
>> > usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was
>> pretty
>> > much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally 2x2
>> > pixels in size on the screen.
>> >
>> > There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login form:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
>> > or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
>> >
>> > However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard is
>> very
>> > small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine.
>> > See screenshots in
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
>> >
>> > It would be better if in portrait mode on a mobile device screen: The
>> > whiteboard should use more space. For example by toggling the user list
>> to
>> > be "minimised" + adding some additional screen buttons for sharing
>> > webcam/microphone (outside of the user list).
>> >
>> > I would argue the ability to share your audio/video is essential to be
>> > visible. Also on a mobile device. But you don't need to see all the
>> users
>> > in the user list constantly. More important to see the whiteboard and
>> other
>> > users. However currently there isn't a way to minimise the user list
>> _and_
>> > show the audio/video sharing buttons. I'm thinking of adding this
>> > functionality. Just for mobile devices to become more usable.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Seb
>> >
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
>> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
>> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
>> > <
>> >
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> > >
>> > <
>> >
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-10 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

>
> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
> landscape mode :)" ?

=> That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I would
probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to the home
screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it into a
Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape mode.

Cause once its a PWA we can:

   - Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage (no back
   button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar stays away! The
   annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the URL bar again
   and makes the screen smaller
   - Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show "unsupported
   orientation" - user friendly message)
   - Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home screen
   (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour)

So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the effort in
order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file)

In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen.
OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help to make
it more user friendly in that case.

So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just seems
to give more options to improve things.

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings




On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
> landscape mode :)" ?
>
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com  >
> wrote:
>
> > I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
> > usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was pretty
> > much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally 2x2
> > pixels in size on the screen.
> >
> > There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login form:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
> > or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
> >
> > However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard is very
> > small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine.
> > See screenshots in
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
> >
> > It would be better if in portrait mode on a mobile device screen: The
> > whiteboard should use more space. For example by toggling the user list
> to
> > be "minimised" + adding some additional screen buttons for sharing
> > webcam/microphone (outside of the user list).
> >
> > I would argue the ability to share your audio/video is essential to be
> > visible. Also on a mobile device. But you don't need to see all the users
> > in the user list constantly. More important to see the whiteboard and
> other
> > users. However currently there isn't a way to minimise the user list
> _and_
> > show the audio/video sharing buttons. I'm thinking of adding this
> > functionality. Just for mobile devices to become more usable.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> > >
> > <
> >
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-10 Thread Maxim Solodovnik

I would say OM is for landscape mode ...
Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful in
landscape mode :)" ?

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
> usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was pretty
> much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally 2x2
> pixels in size on the screen.
>
> There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login form:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
> or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
>
> However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard is very
> small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine.
> See screenshots in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686
>
> It would be better if in portrait mode on a mobile device screen: The
> whiteboard should use more space. For example by toggling the user list to
> be "minimised" + adding some additional screen buttons for sharing
> webcam/microphone (outside of the user list).
>
> I would argue the ability to share your audio/video is essential to be
> visible. Also on a mobile device. But you don't need to see all the users
> in the user list constantly. More important to see the whiteboard and other
> users. However currently there isn't a way to minimise the user list _and_
> show the audio/video sharing buttons. I'm thinking of adding this
> functionality. Just for mobile devices to become more usable.
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>


-- 
Best regards,
Maxim

Updated mobile viewports to make icons and buttons clickable on mobile device in portrait mode

2021-10-09 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com

I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot more
usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was pretty
much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are literally 2x2
pixels in size on the screen.

There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login form:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685
or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / microphone:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686

However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard is very
small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine.
See screenshots in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686

It would be better if in portrait mode on a mobile device screen: The
whiteboard should use more space. For example by toggling the user list to
be "minimised" + adding some additional screen buttons for sharing
webcam/microphone (outside of the user list).

I would argue the ability to share your audio/video is essential to be
visible. Also on a mobile device. But you don't need to see all the users
in the user list constantly. More important to see the whiteboard and other
users. However currently there isn't a way to minimise the user list _and_
show the audio/video sharing buttons. I'm thinking of adding this
functionality. Just for mobile devices to become more usable.

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5
Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings

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