Re: [Blog Draft] Update about Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 @Dec 13

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I just want to give you an update that we had a successful Apache
OpenOffice session last Thursday (Dec 13) on Apache Asia Road Show 2012
Beijing.
  Thanks to Peter, Tao and Da Li for the speech! The topics covered AOO
general introduction, contributions from local volunteers, how to join
community and make contribution, and building social/cloud solutions by
integrating with AOO. We also distributed AOO promotion materials that
prepared by Da Li.
  We got more than 100 audience participated in the OpenOffice session
14:00-15:00. Most of them are technical people from different companies and
universities. Per my check during my speech, only <20 had used OpenOffice
before. So it is really a good promotion of our product and community.

  We are refining the presentations and will publish them later.

  Thanks!


- Shenfeng (Simon)



2012/12/5 Peter Junge 

> OK.
>
> On 12/5/2012 4:55 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> > Peter,
> >Thanks for your comments! I added the speaker names per the presenting
> > sequence.
> >
> > 
> > Apache OpenOffice in Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 at December 13
> >
> > Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 will be held at December 13, and
> Apache
> > OpenOffice will deliver a session in the conference.
> > In the Apache OpenOffice session, Peter Junge, Apache OpenOffice PMC
> > member, will give a speech to introduce Apache OpenOffice, its history
> and
> > way in Apache. And other contributors in Beijing, Shenfeng Liu, Hongyun
> An,
> > Tao Liu and Dali Liu, will also give their speech to share the best
> > practice of contributing to the open source community, as well as
> building
> > enterprise business and Cloud/Social solution on top of Apache
> OpenOffice.
> > Please visit the Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 website and register:
> > http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com . We are looking forward to
> > seeing you there!
> >
> > 
> > Apache OpenOffice将在12月13日Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012大会上介绍其发展及解决方案
> >
> > Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012将于12月13日在北京中关村软件园举行。届时Apache
> > OpenOffice将在大会上介绍其发展及相关解决方案。
> > 在论坛上，Apache OpenOffice项目管理委员会成员Peter Junge将首先介绍Apache
> > OpenOffice及其历史和发展方向。其他在北京的Apache
> OpenOffice志愿者，刘慎锋，安红云，刘涛，刘大力等，也会分享在Apache
> > OpenOffice开源社区做贡献的经验，以及如何基于Apache OpenOffice开发企业应用和云计算及社交解决方案。
> > 欢迎大家到Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012网站注册：
> > http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com！让我们共同关注Apache
> > OpenOffice，共同推动开源社区的发展！
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
> >
> > 2012/12/5 Peter Junge 
> >
> >> I would also mention the names of the other speakers. Apart from that
> it's
> >> OK.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/4/2012 11:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Shenfeng Liu 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Don,
>  Thanks for your suggestion!
>  Here is my draft of the blog, in English & Chinese. Please review
> and
>  give your comments!
>  I found myself not able to edit the blog directly, so I wonder if
> you
>  or
>  any one else can help to post? Thanks very much!
> 
> 
> >>> Here is the post, in draft form on the blog:
> >>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
> >>> apache_asia_road_show_beijing<
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_asia_road_show_beijing
> >
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if it is OK and I will publish it.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   --**--
>  Apache OpenOffice in Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 at December 13
> 
>  Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 will be held at December 13, and
>  Apache
>  OpenOffice will deliver a session in the conference.
>  In the Apache OpenOffice session, Peter Junge, Apache OpenOffice PMC
>  member, will give a speech to introduce Apache OpenOffice, its history
>  and
>  way in Apache. And other contributors in Beijing will also give their
>  speech to share the best practice of contributing to the open source
>  community, as well as building enterprise business and Cloud/Social
>  solution on top of Apache OpenOffice.
>  Please visit the Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 website and
> register:
>  http://apacheasiaroadshow04.**eventbrite.com<
> http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com>. We are looking forward to
>  seeing you there!
> 
>  --**--
>  Apache OpenOffice将在12月13日Apache Asia Road Show Beijing
> 2012大会上介绍其发展及解决方案
> 
>  Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012将于12月13日在北京中关村软件园举行。**届时Apache
>  OpenOffice将在大会上介绍其发展及相关解决方案。
>  在论坛上，Apache OpenOffice项目管理委员会成员Peter Junge将首先介绍Apache
>  OpenOffice及其历史和发展方向。**其他在北京的Apache OpenOffice志愿者也会分享在Apache
>  OpenOffice开源社区做贡献的经验，**以及

Can I get permission to upload files to UX wiki?

[Xin Li]

Hi，

I'd like to continue the working on the UX wiki and usually need to share
ideas or screenshots on UX wiki.

I need to upload side bar design ideas screenshots to UX wiki and can not
upload files these days.

Can I get the permission to upload files? My wiki account is Xinli . Thanks
very much!

-- 
Best regards,
Xin Li   李欣
UX designer

Re: IAccessible2

[Steve Yin]

Hi,

IAccessible2 bridge related changes were just delivered into cws "ia2". The
branch can be accessed from
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2/. It is not ready
for test now.
Does anyone interest in it? Any suggestions or comments are welcome.


On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Steve Yin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A branch named "ia2" was created for AOO IAccessible2 development.
>
> The development plan can be found here:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+IAccessible2
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>
>


-- 
Best Regards,

Steve Yin

Re: [question] draw...

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/16/2012 14:08, janI wrote:
[snip]

Working with updating the wiki, I tried to use it :-)

but the page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Draw_Guide

is very empty ??

so where is the guide ?

The v2 guide on the wiki is out of date, but it's there. All the 
wikified guides work the same way: use the purple TOC box at the right.


A v3.3 guide is available in ODT[1] and PDF. The links are described on 
the wiki documentation page.


[1] 

/tj/

Re: [WEBSITE] Problem with .htm files

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Andrea,

On Dec 16, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Dave Fisher wrote:
>> I think that we can purge these *.htm duplicates, but if we do it
>> will be a "sledgehammer" build.
> 
> It will also be a problem, unless we accompany it with other changes: for 
> example, http://www.openoffice.org/pt/ would completely break, and all 
> external sites that now link to some of our .htm files would break too.

Got it.

>> It was intentional. Before doing so we would need to make a group
>> decision about how to treat the two types of files.
> 
> Regardless of what templates we apply, the best solution should:
> 1) Allow a .htaccess redirect/rewrite from .htm to .html (to preserve 
> existing internal and external links)
> 2) Have the SVN file names match the URLs: editing a file named "news.htm" in 
> SVN should not result in a change in a page with URL ".../news.html". The 
> current handling confuses the CMS too (for example, no diff is reported). So 
> either we mass-rename files from .htm to .html and rely on 1) above, or we 
> don't change .htm to .html but publish .htm URLs.

We need only do (1) and I would do it within the httpd config like our existing 
redirects. Regardless if there are both file1.htm and file1.html in the source, 
one of these must be removed from the source svn.

See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5668 for this request along 
with a set to avoid an incubator redirect for certain links.

We do not need to do (2) because we already are making this change in the 
staging and publish. You see no diffs for the old htm files because they are 
not changed. I do see diffs in the html versions of the pages. Even with the 
redirect in place, it still makes sense to edit the pages to use *.html and not 
*.htm in links.

> 
>> There are two different procedures from view.pm used:  ...
>> There are several templates used from templates/.
> 
> To me, .htm and .html are not different file types and were never used as 
> such: I mean, volunteers historically committed .htm or .html according to 
> their habits, but it doesn't make sense to have different ways of handling 
> them now. So I would tend to rename all .htm to .html and put the .htaccess 
> redirect in place, and have only one "type" of HTML files to handle.

I think it is ok to force the pages to be *.html. We should have some 
consistency. Maybe soon it will be time to start switching openoffice.org to 
mdtext.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hello Kay;

Yes, I can confirm after solving those two issues,we got OpenOffice building 
with JDK 7 on FreeBSD:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/

Pedro.

Re: [WEBSITE] Problem with .htm files

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dave Fisher wrote:

I think that we can purge these *.htm duplicates, but if we do it
will be a "sledgehammer" build.


It will also be a problem, unless we accompany it with other changes: 
for example, http://www.openoffice.org/pt/ would completely break, and 
all external sites that now link to some of our .htm files would break too.



It was intentional. Before doing so we would need to make a group
decision about how to treat the two types of files.


Regardless of what templates we apply, the best solution should:
1) Allow a .htaccess redirect/rewrite from .htm to .html (to preserve 
existing internal and external links)
2) Have the SVN file names match the URLs: editing a file named 
"news.htm" in SVN should not result in a change in a page with URL 
".../news.html". The current handling confuses the CMS too (for example, 
no diff is reported). So either we mass-rename files from .htm to .html 
and rely on 1) above, or we don't change .htm to .html but publish .htm 
URLs.



There are two different procedures from view.pm used:  ...
There are several templates used from templates/.


To me, .htm and .html are not different file types and were never used 
as such: I mean, volunteers historically committed .htm or .html 
according to their habits, but it doesn't make sense to have different 
ways of handling them now. So I would tend to rename all .htm to .html 
and put the .htaccess redirect in place, and have only one "type" of 
HTML files to handle.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WEBSITE] Problem with .htm files

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> I had a long discussion with Infra today trying to find out why a change I
>> had applied was not appearing. Analyzing it, it turns out that we have a
>> problem already visible on over 400 pages and related to .htm files (as
>> opposed to .html files).
>> 
>> Reproducing is easy:
>> 1) Edit a .htm file, e.g., do this:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/pt/about/newsletter.htm?r1=1413471&r2=1422592&diff_format=h
>> 
>> 2) Publish the changes and you get file duplication:
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.htm
>> (the existing URL, ending in .htm, not updated)
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.html
>> (a new URL, containing the fix)
>> 
>> This silent change of URLs is quite scary and we already have 401
>> "duplicate" pages. For other examples see
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.htm
>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.html
>> 
> 
> 
> When I build locally I see that input htm files are published as html
> files.  But I don't see any duplications.  Maybe the duplicates are
> just left over from earlier?

Exactly.

From path.pm
[qr!\.html$!, html_page => { template => "html_page.html" }],
[qr!\.htm$!, html_page => { template => "html_page.html" }],

r1221295 | wave | 2011-12-20 06:52:47 -0800 (Tue, 20 Dec 2011) | 1 line

Wrap .htm files like .html. Comment a couple of PayPal references. The page 
"donate-thanks.html" states that it is landing page after PayPal donations to 
TOO - changed to request donations to the ASF. (Not sure if it is still used.)

Daniel example was from three hours prior on Dec. 20, 2011.

I think that we can purge these *.htm duplicates, but if we do it will be a 
"sledgehammer" build.

> 
> 
>> or
>> 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.htm
>> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.html
>> 
>> Daniel Shahaf, who investigated the problem, suggests that we take a look at
>> our path.pm.
>> 
>> Looking at it, I think the place to start investigating is line 14 of
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/lib/path.pm?revision=1413471&view=markup
>> which seems to actually turn .htm files into .html files, but it's probably
>> best that someone familiar with the CMS does the change, since I definitely
>> don't want to break the website.

It was intentional. Before doing so we would need to make a group decision 
about how to treat the two types of files.

[qr!\.html$!, html_page => { template => "html_page.html" }],
[qr!\.htm$!, html_page => { template => "html_page.html" }],

Note that this will change htm to html just like the folllowing mdtext files 
are changed into html:

[qr!doctype.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => "doctype.html" 
}],
[qr!brand.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => "brand.html" }],
[qr!footer.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => "footer.html" }],
[qr!topnav.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => "navigator.html" 
}],
[qr!leftnav.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => 
"navigator.html" }],
[qr!rightnav.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => 
"navigator.html" }],
[qr!\.mdtext$!, single_narrative => { template => 
"single_narrative.html" }],

There are two different procedures from view.pm used:

single_narrative and html_page.

There are several templates used from templates/.

html_page.html
single_narrative.html
navigator.html
doctype.html
brand.html
footer.html

Regards,
Dave

>> 
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Kay Schenk]

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: Ariel Constenla-Haile
>
>>
>> Hi Lucas,
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 01:52:49PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote:
>>>  Hi,
>>>
> ...
>
>>>  It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
>>>  being overridden:
>>>  "
>>>  [javac]
>> /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
>>>  error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
>>>  method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
>>>  [javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
>>>  [javac]^
>>
>> This method was added on Java 7, see
>> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/sql/Statement.html#isCloseOnCompletion%28%29
>>
>
> There is a patch in debian that adds some stubs for this. The real solution 
> is updating hsqldb
> though.
>
> On the subject of Java 7, someone should look at
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121098
>
>
> The fix is rather trivial.
>
> Pedro.

Pedro --

I took a look at  this issues. Would this allow us to build with java 7?

I'm wondering about this because our buildbots are configured with
java 6 and I *really* think we should go onto 7 if at all possible.



-- 

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."

  -- Aesop

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Lucas,

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 02:53:58PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote:
> Ariel, removing all JDK7 worked! Heck yes.

ups I didn't suggest that! This may break your system, at least it does
in Fedora, where all java stuff is built with Java 7, targeted to a JVM
7. The best thing is to download a JDK 6 from Oracle, install it in /opt
and configure --with-jdk-home, this way you don't break your system.


> This time it failed at VCL:
> make: *** No rule to make target
> `/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/include/jni.h', needed by

the build system is still looking for stuff from the JDK 7, as the path
suggests: java-7-openjdk-amd64

I guess LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh has some old variables, look at JAVA_HOME
because the includes are generated from that variable, see SOLARINC

SOLARINC=-I$JAVA_HOME/include -I$JAVA_HOME/include/linux 
-I$JAVA_HOME/include/native_threads/include

> `/home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/solver/350/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/vcl/source/window/syschild.o'.
>  Stop.
> 
> I'll double check my dirs are clear, java_home is set, and double
> check I destroyed all jdk7 in synaptic.

If you removed everything from JDK7, then run ./configure again so that
it updates LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh

If it still fails, make sure to explicitly point to the JDK directory
configuring with --with-jdk-home


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Lucas Burson]

Ariel, removing all JDK7 worked! Heck yes.

This time it failed at VCL:
make: *** No rule to make target
`/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/include/jni.h', needed by
`/home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/solver/350/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/vcl/source/window/syschild.o'.
 Stop.

I'll double check my dirs are clear, java_home is set, and double
check I destroyed all jdk7 in synaptic.

Thanks a bunch.
Lucas

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:07:42PM +0100, janI wrote:
>> Why does that work on my system...I am just wondering ??
>
> I've no idea. In theory you can use javac from JDF 7 to compile old
> code, and even target to an older JVM, as javac has the -source and
> -target options, but I've no idea if the HSQLDB ant scripts has this
> options set (ant's javac task supports both source and target
> attributes).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

Re: [WEBSITE] Problem with .htm files

[Rob Weir]

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> I had a long discussion with Infra today trying to find out why a change I
> had applied was not appearing. Analyzing it, it turns out that we have a
> problem already visible on over 400 pages and related to .htm files (as
> opposed to .html files).
>
> Reproducing is easy:
> 1) Edit a .htm file, e.g., do this:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/pt/about/newsletter.htm?r1=1413471&r2=1422592&diff_format=h
>
> 2) Publish the changes and you get file duplication:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.htm
> (the existing URL, ending in .htm, not updated)
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.html
> (a new URL, containing the fix)
>
> This silent change of URLs is quite scary and we already have 401
> "duplicate" pages. For other examples see
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.htm
> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.html
>


When I build locally I see that input htm files are published as html
files.  But I don't see any duplications.  Maybe the duplicates are
just left over from earlier?


> or
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.htm
> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.html
>
> Daniel Shahaf, who investigated the problem, suggests that we take a look at
> our path.pm.
>
> Looking at it, I think the place to start investigating is line 14 of
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/lib/path.pm?revision=1413471&view=markup
> which seems to actually turn .htm files into .html files, but it's probably
> best that someone familiar with the CMS does the change, since I definitely
> don't want to break the website.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

Re: [question] draw...

[janI]

On 16 December 2012 21:18, Regina Henschel  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> janI schrieb:
>
>  Danke..
>>
>>
>> On 16 December 2012 19:17, Regina Henschel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> janI schrieb:
>>>
>>>   Hi.
>>>

 I have to make some 3D construction drawings, I tried to use draw, but
 is
 seems that the 3D functionality is very limited ??


>>> The 3D-engine is limited concerning shadows, but the rest is usable. Only
>>> the UI needs an improvement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  What I would like to was to create a half "ball" out of a circle (a dome
 for an astromony observatory, a hobby of mine, when I do not work on
 MWIKI
 or l10n), and then add some cutting lines etc, for a mechanic to follow.


>>> Do you have already enabled the set of predefined 3D-objects? Right click
>>> the drawing toolbar > Customize > Check "3D-objects". The set contains a
>>> "Half-Sphere". Perhaps that is already what you are searching for.
>>>
>>>  That helped me halfway.
>>
>>
>>> Do you know the chapter about 3D-Objects in the Draw-Guide? I ask because
>>> it is not clear, how much do you already know about 3D objects. For
>>> example, do you know the difference between object properties and scene
>>> properties?
>>>
>>
>> No problem in asking, I know a lot about 3d objects...I used to use 3Dmax,
>> but working with AOO, I felt I should give draw a try.
>>
>
> Then you will probably stay with 3Dmax.

Would love to, but I cannot afford to use it as a private person, I used to
work with it in a company.

But I trust that draw will do what I need, AOO is a good package !!


>
>
>> Working with updating the wiki, I tried to use it :-)
>>
>> but the page:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Draw_Guide
>>
>> is very empty ??
>>
>> so where is the guide ?
>>
>
> Documentation are made by ODFAuthors.
> http://www.odfauthors.org/**libreoffice/english/draw-guide
> You can use the LO guides, the difference is small.

Thanks, maybe we should update our wiki pages at some point.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Am I wrong or is the 3D support limited to presentation and not really
 fit
 for drawing (in case not is there any work in progress) ?


>>> No, the objects are the same in Draw and Impress. One difference between
>>> Impress and Draw is, that you have animation in Impress and that you have
>>> layer in Draw.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  In case not, can anybody recommend a good tool, where I can import the
 files in AOO and write the documents.


>>> What part of AOO you want to use? If you will use Writer, then the
>>> 3D-application should be able to export to pictures. If you will produce
>>> a
>>> presentation in Impress, then Flash might work as well, you can use the
>>> Flash plugin.
>>>
>>>
>> I actually just need draw...I have to make a drawing of a dome, made of
>> triangels.
>>
>
> That will only work using macros, because the rotation does not use
> triangles and extrusion will not generate a half sphere. You would have to
> place each triangle individually and that is practically nearly impossible
> with the current UI.
>
>
>  So my idea was to take a half sphere and draw lines on it...in
>
>> 3Dmax that is a piece of cake, because you work in 2d with X,Y,Z planes
>> and
>> it generates the 3d object.
>>
>
> Therefore I ask what do you want to do with the result. If it will become
> a picture in the target, why not using 3Dmax?
>
> Drawing 3D-lines will be hard; using hatching or picture texture might be
> easier. But if it was easy in 3Dmax, I would use that application.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:07:42PM +0100, janI wrote:
> Why does that work on my system...I am just wondering ??

I've no idea. In theory you can use javac from JDF 7 to compile old
code, and even target to an older JVM, as javac has the -source and
-target options, but I've no idea if the HSQLDB ant scripts has this
options set (ant's javac task supports both source and target
attributes).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [question] draw...

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Jan,

janI schrieb:

Danke..


On 16 December 2012 19:17, Regina Henschel  wrote:


Hi Jan,

janI schrieb:

  Hi.


I have to make some 3D construction drawings, I tried to use draw, but is
seems that the 3D functionality is very limited ??



The 3D-engine is limited concerning shadows, but the rest is usable. Only
the UI needs an improvement.




What I would like to was to create a half "ball" out of a circle (a dome
for an astromony observatory, a hobby of mine, when I do not work on MWIKI
or l10n), and then add some cutting lines etc, for a mechanic to follow.



Do you have already enabled the set of predefined 3D-objects? Right click
the drawing toolbar > Customize > Check "3D-objects". The set contains a
"Half-Sphere". Perhaps that is already what you are searching for.


That helped me halfway.



Do you know the chapter about 3D-Objects in the Draw-Guide? I ask because
it is not clear, how much do you already know about 3D objects. For
example, do you know the difference between object properties and scene
properties?


No problem in asking, I know a lot about 3d objects...I used to use 3Dmax,
but working with AOO, I felt I should give draw a try.


Then you will probably stay with 3Dmax.



Working with updating the wiki, I tried to use it :-)

but the page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Draw_Guide

is very empty ??

so where is the guide ?


Documentation are made by ODFAuthors.
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide
You can use the LO guides, the difference is small.









Am I wrong or is the 3D support limited to presentation and not really fit
for drawing (in case not is there any work in progress) ?



No, the objects are the same in Draw and Impress. One difference between
Impress and Draw is, that you have animation in Impress and that you have
layer in Draw.




In case not, can anybody recommend a good tool, where I can import the
files in AOO and write the documents.



What part of AOO you want to use? If you will use Writer, then the
3D-application should be able to export to pictures. If you will produce a
presentation in Impress, then Flash might work as well, you can use the
Flash plugin.



I actually just need draw...I have to make a drawing of a dome, made of
triangels.


That will only work using macros, because the rotation does not use 
triangles and extrusion will not generate a half sphere. You would have 
to place each triangle individually and that is practically nearly 
impossible with the current UI.


 So my idea was to take a half sphere and draw lines on it...in

3Dmax that is a piece of cake, because you work in 2d with X,Y,Z planes and
it generates the 3d object.


Therefore I ask what do you want to do with the result. If it will 
become a picture in the target, why not using 3Dmax?


Drawing 3D-lines will be hard; using hatching or picture texture might 
be easier. But if it was easy in 3Dmax, I would use that application.


Kind regards
Regina

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Pedro Giffuni]

- Original Message -
> From: Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> 
> Hi Lucas,
> 
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 01:52:49PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote:
>>  Hi,
>> 
...

>>  It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
>>  being overridden:
>>  "
>>      [javac] 
> /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
>>  error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
>>  method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
>>      [javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
>>      [javac]        ^
> 
> This method was added on Java 7, see
> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/sql/Statement.html#isCloseOnCompletion%28%29
>

There is a patch in debian that adds some stubs for this. The real solution is 
updating hsqldb
though.

On the subject of Java 7, someone should look at
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121098


The fix is rather trivial.

Pedro.

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[janI]

Why does that work on my system...I am just wondering ??

Jan.

On 16 December 2012 21:03, Ariel Constenla-Haile  wrote:

> Hi Lucas,
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 01:52:49PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I cannot build AOO from source. I use Ubuntu 64bit. I have never been
> > able to build correctly; I switched from jdk7 to jdk6 and that didn't
> > change anything.
>
> The error seems to tell your system is on Java 7, see bellow.
>
> > I used these instructions, [1], to get things started but I use a
> > different svn url. (off topic: I tried svn-git but it stops responding
> > after a while).
> >
> > These are the commands that I run to get the build going:
> > svn co https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk~/aoo/trunk
> > cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/
> > autoconf
> > ~/aoo/trunk/main/configure
> > --with-dmake-url=
> http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
> > --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
> > --disable-odk --disable-binfilter
> > ~/aoo/trunk/main/bootstrap
> > source ~/aoo/trunk/main/LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh
> > cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
> > build --all -P4 -- -P4
> >
> >
> > It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
> > being overridden:
> > "
> > [javac] /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/
> unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
> > error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
> > method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
> > [javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
> > [javac]^
>
> This method was added on Java 7, see
>
> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/sql/Statement.html#isCloseOnCompletion%28%29
>
> Either use alternatives to switch to Java 6, or better install Java
> 6 from your distros repo, leaving your system's default, and pointing
> the build system to the right JDK 6, configuring with --with-jdk-home
> for example:
>
> --with-jdk-home=/opt/jdk1.6
>
> here JDK 6 is in /opt/jdk1.6
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[janI]

I use ubuntu (12.04 server and 12.10 desktop) and have no problem building
trunk, branches/l10n.

I use the following conf call:

./configure \
 --with-dmake-url=
http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2 \
 --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz\
 --disable-odk \
 --disable-binfilter \
 --enable-wiki-publisher \
 --with-lang="da"

(also with --with-lang).

I have not changed any java setup, actually I just installed the 12.10
yesterday, so it is fresh out of the box.

I had a problem with sysui and permission,but I committed a change to build
a while ago.

java is version 1.7.0_09
OpenJDK runtime (IcedTea 2.3.3)
OpenJDK 64bit server build 23-2-b09

I just had another build all this evening which just completed.


On 16 December 2012 20:52, Lucas Burson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I cannot build AOO from source. I use Ubuntu 64bit. I have never been
> able to build correctly; I switched from jdk7 to jdk6 and that didn't
> change anything.
> I used these instructions, [1], to get things started but I use a
> different svn url. (off topic: I tried svn-git but it stops responding
> after a while).
>
>

> These are the commands that I run to get the build going:
> svn co https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk~/aoo/trunk
> cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/
> autoconf
> ~/aoo/trunk/main/configure
> --with-dmake-url=
> http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
> --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
> --disable-odk --disable-binfilter
> ~/aoo/trunk/main/bootstrap
> source ~/aoo/trunk/main/LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh
> cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
> build --all -P4 -- -P4
>

I do the same...and when I run into problems I restart build without the P4
(solely: build --all)

hope it helps.
Jan.

>
>
> It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
> being overridden:
> "
> [javac] /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/
> unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
> error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
> method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
> [javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
> [javac]^
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
> /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb
> When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build
> by running:
> build --from hsqldb
> "
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Lucas
>
> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
>

Re: AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Lucas,

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 01:52:49PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I cannot build AOO from source. I use Ubuntu 64bit. I have never been
> able to build correctly; I switched from jdk7 to jdk6 and that didn't
> change anything.

The error seems to tell your system is on Java 7, see bellow.

> I used these instructions, [1], to get things started but I use a
> different svn url. (off topic: I tried svn-git but it stops responding
> after a while).
> 
> These are the commands that I run to get the build going:
> svn co https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk ~/aoo/trunk
> cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/
> autoconf
> ~/aoo/trunk/main/configure
> --with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
> --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
> --disable-odk --disable-binfilter
> ~/aoo/trunk/main/bootstrap
> source ~/aoo/trunk/main/LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh
> cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
> build --all -P4 -- -P4
> 
> 
> It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
> being overridden:
> "
> [javac] 
> /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
> error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
> method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
> [javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
> [javac]^

This method was added on Java 7, see
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/sql/Statement.html#isCloseOnCompletion%28%29

Either use alternatives to switch to Java 6, or better install Java
6 from your distros repo, leaving your system's default, and pointing
the build system to the right JDK 6, configuring with --with-jdk-home
for example:

--with-jdk-home=/opt/jdk1.6

here JDK 6 is in /opt/jdk1.6


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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AOO trunk build fails with HSQLDB

[Lucas Burson]

Hi,

I cannot build AOO from source. I use Ubuntu 64bit. I have never been
able to build correctly; I switched from jdk7 to jdk6 and that didn't
change anything.
I used these instructions, [1], to get things started but I use a
different svn url. (off topic: I tried svn-git but it stops responding
after a while).

These are the commands that I run to get the build going:
svn co https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk ~/aoo/trunk
cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/
autoconf
~/aoo/trunk/main/configure
--with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
--with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
--disable-odk --disable-binfilter
~/aoo/trunk/main/bootstrap
source ~/aoo/trunk/main/LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh
cd ~/aoo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
build --all -P4 -- -P4


It fails. I get a bunch of compiler errors about abstract methods not
being overridden:
"
[javac] 
/home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/src/org/hsqldb/jdbc/jdbcStatement.java:127:
error: jdbcStatement is not abstract and does not override abstract
method isCloseOnCompletion() in Statement
[javac] public class jdbcStatement implements Statement {
[javac]^
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /home/ljdelight/aoo/trunk/main/hsqldb
When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build
by running:
build --from hsqldb
"

Thanks for the help,
Lucas

[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

[WEBSITE] Problem with .htm files

[Andrea Pescetti]

I had a long discussion with Infra today trying to find out why a change 
I had applied was not appearing. Analyzing it, it turns out that we have 
a problem already visible on over 400 pages and related to .htm files 
(as opposed to .html files).


Reproducing is easy:
1) Edit a .htm file, e.g., do this:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/pt/about/newsletter.htm?r1=1413471&r2=1422592&diff_format=h

2) Publish the changes and you get file duplication:

http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.htm
(the existing URL, ending in .htm, not updated)

http://www.openoffice.org/pt/about/newsletter.html
(a new URL, containing the fix)

This silent change of URLs is quite scary and we already have 401 
"duplicate" pages. For other examples see


http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.htm
http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/liens.html

or

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.htm
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/proposals/Readonly_mode.html

Daniel Shahaf, who investigated the problem, suggests that we take a 
look at our path.pm.


Looking at it, I think the place to start investigating is line 14 of
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/lib/path.pm?revision=1413471&view=markup
which seems to actually turn .htm files into .html files, but it's 
probably best that someone familiar with the CMS does the change, since 
I definitely don't want to break the website.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [question] draw...

[janI]

Danke..


On 16 December 2012 19:17, Regina Henschel  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> janI schrieb:
>
>  Hi.
>>
>> I have to make some 3D construction drawings, I tried to use draw, but is
>> seems that the 3D functionality is very limited ??
>>
>
> The 3D-engine is limited concerning shadows, but the rest is usable. Only
> the UI needs an improvement.
>
>
>
>> What I would like to was to create a half "ball" out of a circle (a dome
>> for an astromony observatory, a hobby of mine, when I do not work on MWIKI
>> or l10n), and then add some cutting lines etc, for a mechanic to follow.
>>
>
> Do you have already enabled the set of predefined 3D-objects? Right click
> the drawing toolbar > Customize > Check "3D-objects". The set contains a
> "Half-Sphere". Perhaps that is already what you are searching for.
>
That helped me halfway.

>
> Do you know the chapter about 3D-Objects in the Draw-Guide? I ask because
> it is not clear, how much do you already know about 3D objects. For
> example, do you know the difference between object properties and scene
> properties?

No problem in asking, I know a lot about 3d objects...I used to use 3Dmax,
but working with AOO, I felt I should give draw a try.

Working with updating the wiki, I tried to use it :-)

but the page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Draw_Guide

is very empty ??

so where is the guide ?


>
>
>
>> Am I wrong or is the 3D support limited to presentation and not really fit
>> for drawing (in case not is there any work in progress) ?
>>
>
> No, the objects are the same in Draw and Impress. One difference between
> Impress and Draw is, that you have animation in Impress and that you have
> layer in Draw.
>
>
>
>> In case not, can anybody recommend a good tool, where I can import the
>> files in AOO and write the documents.
>>
>
> What part of AOO you want to use? If you will use Writer, then the
> 3D-application should be able to export to pictures. If you will produce a
> presentation in Impress, then Flash might work as well, you can use the
> Flash plugin.
>

I actually just need draw...I have to make a drawing of a dome, made of
triangels. So my idea was to take a half sphere and draw lines on it...in
3Dmax that is a piece of cake, because you work in 2d with X,Y,Z planes and
it generates the 3d object.


>
> I have no recommendation, because I can do all what I need in Draw. Only
> for those parts where I need an exact calculation, I use a CAS (computer
> algebra system).


Thanks for your help so far...if you can point me the manual in wiki or
elsewhere, then I will dig.


>
>
>
>> I know this is a developer list and not a customer support list, but I
>> hope
>> anyhow that somehow can give me a hint where to continue.
>>
>
> 3D is already very special. But you will find experts on the user mailing
> list and in the forum too. I read the mailing list regularly and the forum
> from time to time.
>
To be honest, this was fastest since I am not in any forums...just these
developer lists :-(


have a nice evening
Jan I.

>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>

RE: [UX]Comments visibility

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

It might be useful, as part of UX review, to look into the overall situation 
with regard to information that is not being shown and for which there is no 
indication where it is present.

Here are some considerations that come to mind:

Part of the issue about invisible comments has to do with determining what is 
appropriate when documents are signed.  Currently, digital signatures apply to 
all of the content, whether visible or not.  It is impractical to make it 
otherwise.  Warnings are appropriate when a signature is specified and there is 
any hidden content.  (In addition to comments, this applies to tracked changes 
and change history and alternative graphic renditions that might not be visible 
as well.  There may also be discrepancies in document properties and other 
metadata.)

Some unobtrusive indicator that there is a comment and revealing when the 
comment is included in a selection is also valuable (whether leading to a 
deletion, copying via the clip-board, or something else).  It should also be 
possible to strip comments and there might need to be finer-grain control.  
E.g., it can be useful to have a way to review comments that steps through them 
with the option of removing and/or editing them in the manner that is used for 
accepting/rejecting tracked changes.  

Finally, I am certain there are accessibility issues around this too, and some 
marker might be helpful.  Advice is needed from accessibility experts.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 08:32
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [UX]Comments visibility

On 08/12/2012 RGB ES wrote:
> Some users, mostly when reading an existing document, tend do disable the
> view of comments with View → Comments. The problem with this option is that
> comments disappear *completely*, which increase the risk of deleting a note
> by accident.

I agree this can be a usability problem.

> So I think there are two point that can be considered:
> 1- Set by default the option of viewing note anchors even when "view
> comments" is disabled.

This makes sense, but then we would have to add an option at least in 
Tools - Options - Writer - View to hide comment anchors too (and it 
would have to be active only if "Comments" in unset... not very friendly).

> 2- Make note anchor show a tooltip with the note content, the same way
> footnote anchors show footnote content when hover over it, but of course
> only when "view comment" is disable.

This would work, but the user wouldn't get rid of comments completely. 
He would still see the anchor and I don't know how annoying this would be.

Definitely a good question for UX!

Regards,
   Andrea.

Re: [question] draw...

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Jan,

janI schrieb:

Hi.

I have to make some 3D construction drawings, I tried to use draw, but is
seems that the 3D functionality is very limited ??


The 3D-engine is limited concerning shadows, but the rest is usable. 
Only the UI needs an improvement.




What I would like to was to create a half "ball" out of a circle (a dome
for an astromony observatory, a hobby of mine, when I do not work on MWIKI
or l10n), and then add some cutting lines etc, for a mechanic to follow.


Do you have already enabled the set of predefined 3D-objects? Right 
click the drawing toolbar > Customize > Check "3D-objects". The set 
contains a "Half-Sphere". Perhaps that is already what you are searching 
for.


Do you know the chapter about 3D-Objects in the Draw-Guide? I ask 
because it is not clear, how much do you already know about 3D objects. 
For example, do you know the difference between object properties and 
scene properties?




Am I wrong or is the 3D support limited to presentation and not really fit
for drawing (in case not is there any work in progress) ?


No, the objects are the same in Draw and Impress. One difference between 
Impress and Draw is, that you have animation in Impress and that you 
have layer in Draw.




In case not, can anybody recommend a good tool, where I can import the
files in AOO and write the documents.


What part of AOO you want to use? If you will use Writer, then the 
3D-application should be able to export to pictures. If you will produce 
a presentation in Impress, then Flash might work as well, you can use 
the Flash plugin.


I have no recommendation, because I can do all what I need in Draw. Only 
for those parts where I need an exact calculation, I use a CAS (computer 
algebra system).




I know this is a developer list and not a customer support list, but I hope
anyhow that somehow can give me a hint where to continue.


3D is already very special. But you will find experts on the user 
mailing list and in the forum too. I read the mailing list regularly and 
the forum from time to time.


Kind regards
Regina

[question] draw...

[janI]

Hi.

I have to make some 3D construction drawings, I tried to use draw, but is
seems that the 3D functionality is very limited ??

What I would like to was to create a half "ball" out of a circle (a dome
for an astromony observatory, a hobby of mine, when I do not work on MWIKI
or l10n), and then add some cutting lines etc, for a mechanic to follow.

Am I wrong or is the 3D support limited to presentation and not really fit
for drawing (in case not is there any work in progress) ?

In case not, can anybody recommend a good tool, where I can import the
files in AOO and write the documents.

I know this is a developer list and not a customer support list, but I hope
anyhow that somehow can give me a hint where to continue.

thanks in advance.
Jan I.

Re: Why not .....

[PC-SERVICEPARTNER ERFURT Notebook]

Hi Regina,

must we not say

Don't try to imitate

 "MS"- Word ?

I think the Programname "Word" is to universally.

Kind regards
Mario from PC-SERVICEPARTNER

Am 16.12.2012 17:32, schrieb Regina Henschel:

Hi Carlos,

c...@setarnet.aw schrieb:

Why not use a distinct mark in de ruler for a hanging indent something
like
►.

That's easy to use and clear/obvious.


There are two triangles on the left side of the horizontal ruler. The
upper one with tip down is for the indent of the first line and the
lower one is for the indent of the rest of the lines. What is your
problem with this triangles? Drag them to the indent you want.





Don't try to imitate WORD


We do not. Apache OpenOffice is designed to work with styles, although
hard formatting works as well. So if you want a hanging indent then
apply the style "Hanging indent". If you need to adapt the amount of
indent to your needs, then modify the style.

You are not subscribed to the mailing list, so you might miss some answers.

What about using the forum http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ?

Kind regards
Regina



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Re: Why not .....

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Carlos,

c...@setarnet.aw schrieb:

Why not use a distinct mark in de ruler for a hanging indent something like
►.

That's easy to use and clear/obvious.


There are two triangles on the left side of the horizontal ruler. The 
upper one with tip down is for the indent of the first line and the 
lower one is for the indent of the rest of the lines. What is your 
problem with this triangles? Drag them to the indent you want.






Don't try to imitate WORD


We do not. Apache OpenOffice is designed to work with styles, although 
hard formatting works as well. So if you want a hanging indent then 
apply the style "Hanging indent". If you need to adapt the amount of 
indent to your needs, then modify the style.


You are not subscribed to the mailing list, so you might miss some answers.

What about using the forum http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ?

Kind regards
Regina

Why not .....

[c...@setarnet.aw]

Why not use a distinct mark in de ruler for a hanging indent something like
►.
That's easy to use and clear/obvious.

Don't try to imitate WORD

Saludos Carlos

Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles

[RGB ES]

2012/12/16 Regina Henschel 

> Hi Armin,
>
> Armin Le Grand schrieb:
>
>>  Hi List,
>>
>>
>> On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote:
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the
>>> handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka
>>> slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task
>>> (https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463)
>>> I have opened
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to
>>> carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two
>>> sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look,
>>> follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the
>>> files referenced there.
>>>
>>> P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles
>>> before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> ALG
>>>
>>
>> I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look
>> and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative
>> effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does
>> not mean it's the end of the story :-)
>>
>> For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the
>> handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking.
>> I was very careful, the change is moderate.
>>
>> Just take a look first ;-)
>>
>
> The buildbot version has it now and I tried it. The transparency for the
> anchor icon is really a large improvement. And the handles have a good
> compromise between brightness and transparency. The draw center and mirror
> axis markers are visible in front of dark backgrounds too.  So I think,
> well done. :)
>

+1!!!

The new handlers are really nice, and the anchor transparency is just
gorgeous!

Regards
Ricardo



>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>

Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Armin,

Armin Le Grand schrieb:

 Hi List,

On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi List,

I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the
handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka
slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task
(https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened
for it.

I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to
carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two
sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look,
follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the
files referenced there.

P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles
before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-)

--
ALG


I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look
and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative
effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does
not mean it's the end of the story :-)

For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the
handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking.
I was very careful, the change is moderate.

Just take a look first ;-)


The buildbot version has it now and I tried it. The transparency for the 
anchor icon is really a large improvement. And the handles have a good 
compromise between brightness and transparency. The draw center and 
mirror axis markers are visible in front of dark backgrounds too.  So I 
think, well done. :)


Kind regards
Regina

Re: wiki.open office Volunteer Application

[Shenfeng Liu]

Doreen,
  Please refer to http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html, and send
mail to dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org , then you will be subscribed
to dev@openoffice.apache.org automatically.
  But be careful that there might be 20~50 mails every day from the mail
list. So you may want a special mail account for it.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/14 陶然 

> Hi,
> First of all, thank you for your fast feedback! And I'm very appreciate
> your permit!
> Would you please put me into the mail list?And if I have an account for
> editing WIKI content, my username for the account is Doreen. Nice to meet
> you all!
>
> Best regards,
> Doreen
>
> 2012/12/13 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>
> > the WIKI, respond to this email (be sure to include the mailing list) and
> > indicate the username to use for your account.
> >
> > Note that you only require an account if you will edit WIKI content
> >
>

Re: [UX]Comments visibility

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:48:42 -0500
TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 12/16/2012 01:41, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> > KG01 - see comments inline
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/12/2012 RGB ES wrote:
> >>> Some users, mostly when reading an existing document, tend do disable the
> >>> view of comments with View → Comments. The problem with this option is 
> >>> that
> >>> comments disappear *completely*, which increase the risk of deleting a 
> >>> note
> >>> by accident.
> >>
> > KG01 - The system should avoid deleting hidden elements. Should the system 
> > try to delete content which includes a hidden comment, we should inform the 
> > user of the consequence of the action, and provide a way to quickly review 
> > the comment, in context, and give them options on how to proceed. Options 
> > could include 1) delete content and comment, 2) delete content and push 
> > comment to cursor location 3) or cancel action.
> >
> >> I agree this can be a usability problem.
> >>
> >>> So I think there are two point that can be considered:
> >>> 1- Set by default the option of viewing note anchors even when "view
> >>> comments" is disabled.
> >>
> > KG01 - View option for common objects could be simplified. With some task 
> > pane toolbar view options (clipart gallery, navigator, etc) moving to 
> > sidebar task pane, we could push a high frequency view options command 
> > (dropdown) to the main toolbar. Where one click on/off could control view 
> > options, such as comments.
> >
> >> This makes sense, but then we would have to add an option at least in 
> >> Tools - Options - Writer - View to hide comment anchors too (and it would 
> >> have to be active only if "Comments" in unset... not very friendly).
> >>
> >>> 2- Make note anchor show a tooltip with the note content, the same way
> >>> footnote anchors show footnote content when hover over it, but of course
> >>> only when "view comment" is disable.
> >>
> > KG01 - we could explore user friendly action tool bars as a way to reveal 
> > comments.
> >
> >> This would work, but the user wouldn't get rid of comments completely. He 
> >> would still see the anchor and I don't know how annoying this would be.
> >>
> > KG01 - I'll add this to the ux backlog. This is an area where we should 
> > sketch out some concepts, then socialize for feedback.
> >
> >> Definitely a good question for UX!
> >
> > KG - Yup. Keep 'em coming :)
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>   Andrea.
> >
> While you're thinking about visibility, please think about bookmarks. 
> Totally invisible, very deletable, combination undesirable.
> 
> /tj/
> 
> 

Note that Hanya has provided Bookmarks Menu extension and rupxamgon 
VisibleBookmarks extension, both in the Extesions repository, which are useful 
in helping to work with bookmarks and help overcome the above problem from 
/tj/.  

Their (or similar) code and functionality could be usefully incorporated into 
AOO future releases 

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: [UX]Comments visibility

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/16/2012 01:41, Kevin Grignon wrote:

KG01 - see comments inline

On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:


On 08/12/2012 RGB ES wrote:

Some users, mostly when reading an existing document, tend do disable the
view of comments with View → Comments. The problem with this option is that
comments disappear *completely*, which increase the risk of deleting a note
by accident.



KG01 - The system should avoid deleting hidden elements. Should the system try 
to delete content which includes a hidden comment, we should inform the user of 
the consequence of the action, and provide a way to quickly review the comment, 
in context, and give them options on how to proceed. Options could include 1) 
delete content and comment, 2) delete content and push comment to cursor 
location 3) or cancel action.


I agree this can be a usability problem.


So I think there are two point that can be considered:
1- Set by default the option of viewing note anchors even when "view
comments" is disabled.



KG01 - View option for common objects could be simplified. With some task pane 
toolbar view options (clipart gallery, navigator, etc) moving to sidebar task 
pane, we could push a high frequency view options command (dropdown) to the 
main toolbar. Where one click on/off could control view options, such as 
comments.


This makes sense, but then we would have to add an option at least in Tools - Options - 
Writer - View to hide comment anchors too (and it would have to be active only if 
"Comments" in unset... not very friendly).


2- Make note anchor show a tooltip with the note content, the same way
footnote anchors show footnote content when hover over it, but of course
only when "view comment" is disable.



KG01 - we could explore user friendly action tool bars as a way to reveal 
comments.


This would work, but the user wouldn't get rid of comments completely. He would 
still see the anchor and I don't know how annoying this would be.


KG01 - I'll add this to the ux backlog. This is an area where we should sketch 
out some concepts, then socialize for feedback.


Definitely a good question for UX!


KG - Yup. Keep 'em coming :)



Regards,
  Andrea.


While you're thinking about visibility, please think about bookmarks. 
Totally invisible, very deletable, combination undesirable.


/tj/

Re: E-mail conference[AT]

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Hi

Sorry, the correct is "confluence". ;-)

2012/12/15 Dave Fisher :
> I have changed the email address for the special user ooo-comm...@apache.org 
> to be comm...@openoffice.apache.org

Good. Now the e-mail is sending correct.

-- 
  Albino
www.albino.ws