Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
2013/1/4 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com Also, on the accessibility updates, I noted on the wiki page some dates. Looks like preliminary updates are in the current build as of Oct, but first useful updates not till next month, and full merge middle of the year - so is that the same basic timing before the UI changes will show up in the nightly builds also, early February? Drew, Yes, the accessibility work is also planned for 4.0, but currently the development work is in a separated branch, so you can not see it in the main trunk yet. I believe Steve Yin can provide more detailed plan on merging the works to the main trunk. - Shenfeng (Simon)
Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??
Hi Liu, Thanks, there is no need, from me, for Steve to take time for more details - the wiki and the mail here covered it for me. Still plenty of stuff to read, in place, to catch up from the last couple of months. Thanks Drew On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/4 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com Also, on the accessibility updates, I noted on the wiki page some dates. Looks like preliminary updates are in the current build as of Oct, but first useful updates not till next month, and full merge middle of the year - so is that the same basic timing before the UI changes will show up in the nightly builds also, early February? Drew, Yes, the accessibility work is also planned for 4.0, but currently the development work is in a separated branch, so you can not see it in the main trunk yet. I believe Steve Yin can provide more detailed plan on merging the works to the main trunk. - Shenfeng (Simon)
Re: [UX] UI options for document encryption
Hi, excuse my top posting. I generally agree to Dennis that we can do much more here and make it better but what Dennis have described is too much effort for me at the moment and I don't have time for it. Nevertheless would I like add a simple way for users to switch between the old and the new encryption algorithm more easy. Currently they can use my extension [1] or can do it on their own to enable AES256. I can think of a simple checkbox in the Load/Save - General section of the options dialog, see [2]. I don't believe that users will switch very often between the 2 alternatives and will decide ones and globally. Dennis described a much more flexible approach but also much more work. And until now, no volunteer picked up this item. My proposal is just an idea and the wording can be probably improved. [1] http://people.apache.org/~jsc/extensions/ODF12-Default-encryption-AES256-cbc.oxt [2] http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/UX_document_encryption_v1.png The remaining question is if we can find support for this simplified solution and what should be the default in 4.0? Juergen On 12/7/12 8:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I've given some of the technical considerations behind security and protection provisions for ODF 1.0/1.1/1.2 documents. I think for usability and UX, there are the following considerations: 1. Choices offered to users are ones for which informed decisions can be made and there is clear guidance on the consequences of the choices. 2. The Choices concerning encryption of documents (those associated with Save with Password) that are security and privacy related need to be clearly separated from those that are unrelated to both security and privacy (i.e., the various protection options). 3. Since the use of message digests (SHA1, SHA256, and others that are allowed in ODF 1.2 documents) is employed in both protection and encryption, there should be no options about the message digests used. The user choices should be with respect to the actual situations. SUGGESTIONS 1. FOR ENCRYPTION 1.1 Currently on Save with Password (where folks know to find it already), there should be nothing but Save with Password dealt with on the dialog that comes up when a Save starts. 1.2 The choice should be between o ODF 1.0/1.0/1.2 Compatible (Blowfish) o ODF 1.2 Exclusive (AES256) If the document is being saved as ODF 1.0/1.1, no choice should be offered. This is on the same panel that requests a password (though it might be preset). There should be a way to confirm/cancel encryption separate from cancelling the save. 1.3 There can be a default radio-button preset when saving as ODF 1.2 [extended]. The default might be a configuration option for the ODF 1.2 case, but the choice should still be offered. (Forcing an user to make a major configuration decision for occasional variations is undesirable.) 1.4 When enterprise configuration/customization is provided for, there might be ways to force the choice in 1.2 as well as limiting Save As ... format choices. I am assuming that is out-of-scope for this simple public user consideration. 1.5 It might be desirable to also have provisions for encryption in the Document Properties dialog, on its own tab there. (Protections should be on a separate tab.) It can then be possible to set and to reset encryption, and a password could be elicited on setting, although in that case it should still be cancellable at Save or Save As ... time. (See above.) [The principle is to not take users down blind alleys.] 1.6 NO MATTER WHAT: The warnings about the document not being recoverable if the password is lost or forgotten need to be prominent in all places where a choice is offered in the matter. 2. FOR PROTECTION 2.1 Protection dialogs already exist in various places. Some whole-document protections are not in the same places. There are UX considerations around when the protections are set and when they are implemented in the document that is produced. Some can be set any time while editing the document and have immediate effect. Some would prevent further editing so tend to not be set until the document is saved. This requires more cases to be worked out. 2.2 Generally, the choice is between ODF 1.0/1.1/1.2 compatibility and ODF 1.2 exclusive functionality. The difference in the SHA used is not a meaningful consequence for the user's informed choice. 2.3 The current offering of document-level protections via an Additional Options button on the Save with Protection dialog has to move. It's also done there and elsewhere in a confusing way. 2.4 NO MATTER WHAT: Protections must be disavowed as security and integrity features. Users should be informed, in some manner, that protections are
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like Drew mentioned... allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully edited in OpenOffice. The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the binaries available at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December 2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature related to this extension. OK. I took out the mention of that extension. I also included content and feedback from Shenfeng and Andrea. I even came up with a good response to question #7, about Word table interoperability. I think this post is ready to go. -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost
Hi, On 04.01.2013 06:19, Pedro Giffuni wrote: As title says the windows build got broken by my attempt to use boost::math in Calc. The linux buildbots are fine so it seems some interaction between MSVC and boost. hdu@ kindly provided a log: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=80094action=edit I am completely clueless and some expert help is welcome. I guess I will never get used to this: it is sad that the code was actually working great on UNIX but the Windows port is important so I will revert tomorrow (unless someone gets ahead of me). I think I found the reason and an explanation of what has gone wrong: - the stl/complex.h header gets included somehow - it defines a function abs(complexT) - on windows abs() usually comes from math.h - so stlport=4 on windows doesn't declare stl::abs(double) and the like = there is a problem if stl::abs(double) is needed - the atanh(double) which depends on stl::abs() is thus considered a failure from C++'s SFINAE (Substitution Failure is not an Error) perspective and thus the needed template is not propagated to In short: adding a #define _STLP_HAS_NATIVE_FLOAT_ABS before the #includeboost/math/special_functions/* lines in interpr1.cxx and interpr3.cxx solves the problem, but it is of course too unclean, it just proves the point. To get things going again adding the define conditionally on the WNT target isn't too unreasonable. Interestingly stlport 5.2 adds the define itself unconditionally also for Windows. So in summary the problem was caused by our code base having quite an old stlport interacting with a quite new boost library and the resulting trouble being hidden by the SFINAE mechanism. Yay! Experiences like this or like issue 72248 are interesting reality checks, especially when discussing fancy template libraries with their enthusiasts. Herbert
Twitter feed (@aoobugs) for new AOO bugs (and a logo request)
This should be useful for developers and testers: https://twitter.com/aoobugs It checks for new Bugzilla bug reports every 30 minutes and then sends them out via Twitter. And if anyone has a better idea for an icon/logo/avatar for that account, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
2013/1/4 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like Drew mentioned... allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully edited in OpenOffice. The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the binaries available at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December 2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature related to this extension. OK. I took out the mention of that extension. I also included content and feedback from Shenfeng and Andrea. I even came up with a good response to question #7, about Word table interoperability. I think this post is ready to go. +1. Ricardo -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Yes, the Windows build is broken due to boost
- Messaggio originale - Da: Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org ... Hi, On 04.01.2013 06:19, Pedro Giffuni wrote: As title says the windows build got broken by my attempt to use boost::math in Calc. The linux buildbots are fine so it seems some interaction between MSVC and boost. hdu@ kindly provided a log: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=80094action=edit I am completely clueless and some expert help is welcome. I guess I will never get used to this: it is sad that the code was actually working great on UNIX but the Windows port is important so I will revert tomorrow (unless someone gets ahead of me). I think I found the reason and an explanation of what has gone wrong: - the stl/complex.h header gets included somehow - it defines a function abs(complexT) - on windows abs() usually comes from math.h - so stlport=4 on windows doesn't declare stl::abs(double) and the like = there is a problem if stl::abs(double) is needed - the atanh(double) which depends on stl::abs() is thus considered a failure from C++'s SFINAE (Substitution Failure is not an Error) perspective and thus the needed template is not propagated to In short: adding a #define _STLP_HAS_NATIVE_FLOAT_ABS before the #includeboost/math/special_functions/* lines in interpr1.cxx and interpr3.cxx solves the problem, but it is of course too unclean, it just proves the point. To get things going again adding the define conditionally on the WNT target isn't too unreasonable. Interestingly stlport 5.2 adds the define itself unconditionally also for Windows. So in summary the problem was caused by our code base having quite an old stlport interacting with a quite new boost library and the resulting trouble being hidden by the SFINAE mechanism. Yay! Experiences like this or like issue 72248 are interesting reality checks, especially when discussing fancy template libraries with their enthusiasts. Nice find! Thank you Herbert, these type of issues are extremely difficult to hunt without the platform in question! And I guess we have another reason to kill stlport! Pedro. Herbert
Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
HI I will NOT judge skills detecting animals, but I just added a link to www.apache.org on my own talk page There might, of course, be errors in the setup, I am just human :-) But did you refresh your page, if you use a cached one then that could be the explanation. rgds jan I. On 4 January 2013 16:18, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: HI I will NOT judge skills detecting animals, but I just added a link to www.apache.org on my own talk page There might, of course, be errors in the setup, I am just human :-) But did you refresh your page, if you use a cached one then that could be the explanation. I refreshed after I logged in, otherwise it was not showing me as logged in. Should I be seeing some sort of validate or submit button that is different than the save page buttom at the bottom of the page? I'm selecting the cats and then click the submit page at the bottom. -Rob rgds jan I. On 4 January 2013 16:18, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
Fwd: CHIP Award Top Download 2012
Good news: Apache OpenOffice was in the Top 100 downloads of CHIP online for 2012 (it was in the top 10 too, of course). See the message below for more information and links, suitable for a news item on our website. The logo they attached, in case it is useful for our website, is temporarily hosted at http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/top-download-logo-red.eps By the way, we are talking about 4 million downloads that should be added to the 30 millions count, since CHIP apparently uses its own download servers. Regards, Andrea. - Forwarded Message - *From:* Hayon Dominik *To:* pr...@apache.org pr...@apache.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 8:57 *Subject:* CHIP Award Top Download 2012 Dear Software Publisher, we are pleased to inform you that your software OpenOffice has made it among the most popular downloads of the year at CHIP Online. You’ll find your app in our Top 100 photo gallery: http://www.chip.de/artikel/Die-beliebtesten-Downloads-des-Jahres_12836691.html We have also attached our CHIP Top-Download logo, which you can proudly place on your website. Kind regards and a successful 2013, Your CHIP Online-Team http://www.chip.de http://www.chip.de/
RE: typing formulae in writer
With a document open in Writer, type the text normally, including any inserted symbols. Then select any adjacent characters that you want to be positioned differently (super- or sub-). Use the Format | Character ... selection from the menu bar. On the Character dialog, select the Position tab. The superscript, subscript, and other positioning selections are there. If you are need more complicated formulas (such as exponentionals with exponentials as exponents) you'll need to use the Math editor via Insert | Object | Formula. This will be more complicated. I'm sorry to confess that I don't know how these work via assistive technologies. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Theoderik Orbus [mailto:theode...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: typing formulae in writer I am visually disable. I just spent about 3/4 of an our on the web site attempting to find an answer to what I think is a simple question. I have not been able to find instructions in OO or on the web site (or anywhere else) on how to write subscripts and superscripts for chemical and mathematical formulae in OO Writer. I have to say the search was exceedingly painful, physically, and accomplished nothing. The only reason I have this e-mail address is it was given to me off line. What I have tried is going to the Insert then Special Characters then Subscripts and superscripts and finding none of the numbers i need to use. I have seen formulae that were imported from other word processors displayed correctly, but i have been unable to compose them correctly in OO Writer. if there is an instruction on how to do this, could you please place it somewhere where it can be found? thank you for your time.
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
Hi all, I run into the same problem. I do not get my page saved. In the help text for that captcha it is mentioned, that there should be a submit near the pictures, but there is nothing. I'll write a bibliography for my article and need external links. Kind regards Regina Rob Weir schrieb: Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
Re: typing formulae in writer
On 1/4/2013 16:37, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Theoderik, Theoderik Orbus schrieb: I am visually disable. I just spent about 3/4 of an our on the web site attempting to find an answer to what I think is a simple question. I have not been able to find instructions in OO or on the web site (or anywhere else) on how to write subscripts and superscripts for chemical and mathematical formulae in OO Writer. I have to say the search was exceedingly painful, physically, and accomplished nothing. The only reason I have this e-mail address is it was given to me off line. What I have tried is going to the Insert then Special Characters then Subscripts and superscripts and finding none of the numbers i need to use. I have seen formulae that were imported from other word processors displayed correctly, but i have been unable to compose them correctly in OO Writer. if there is an instruction on how to do this, could you please place it somewhere where it can be found? thank you for your time. Good guides are produced by ODFAuthors. They are currently producing documentation for LibreOffice. But you can use it as well, the differences to Apache OpenOffice are small. You find the free pdf- and odt-versions on http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ Older versions are available from http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT You get nice formulas using the formula editor. So in your case the Math Guide 3.5 from libreoffice.org will be appropriate. If you like it shorter, the older chapter Ch9 - Getting Started with Math from openoffice.org might work as well. Adding filetype:odt to your search criteria helps to get more relevant search results. If you have special questions, please ask on us...@openoffice.apache.org or on one of our forums in http://forum.openoffice.org/ Kind regards Regina The OO.o Math Guide for v3.3 is available on the wiki[1]. This is the .odt reference (also available in .pdf) which has the advantage that you read it in Writer, so you can look and see how they did that. A quick guide to the syntax (actually, the appendix to the Math Guide) is also available in wiki format[2]. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/c/c8/0800MG33-MathGuide3.3.odt [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands /tj/
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
Maybe you all are on different browsers? Good luck herding these cats ... a little cat cha cha. Regards, Dave On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I run into the same problem. I do not get my page saved. In the help text for that captcha it is mentioned, that there should be a submit near the pictures, but there is nothing. I'll write a bibliography for my article and need external links. Kind regards Regina Rob Weir schrieb: Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
Hi Dave, I use German Seamonkey on WinXP. Kind regards Regina Dave Fisher schrieb: Maybe you all are on different browsers? Good luck herding these cats ... a little cat cha cha. Regards, Dave On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I run into the same problem. I do not get my page saved. In the help text for that captcha it is mentioned, that there should be a submit near the pictures, but there is nothing. I'll write a bibliography for my article and need external links. Kind regards Regina Rob Weir schrieb: Was trying to edit the QA page to add a link to the @AOOBugs twitter account. When I go to save I'm prompted with a dialog and a message: Your edit includes new external links. To help protect against automated spam, please select just the cat photos in the box below: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? -Rob
text list levels
Hi All, cross posting to the ODFToolKit and AOO. I am working on a tool which explores the structure of ODF documents. Which I hope will help in the testing world, serve to educate me re ODF, and be a stepping stone to along the way to my postgrad degree. Case in point - text lists. Looking at the schema I see we have different types, numbered, bulleted, and image based lists. Looking at both the AOO code and the Toolkit code the level of nesting appears to be hardcoded to 10. Is this correct? A quick test trying to nest list items seems to confirm this. The schema does not set a limit to the level. Am I correct in thinking that ten was a design decision sometime in OO history. I don't see a need for a deeper level. Just trying to clarify the picture. Also once one level entry is created, ten items are added to the styles data. Both in AOO and the tootlkit. That must also be some sort of pragmatic decision? There is a note in the toolkit saying it is a time saving mechanism. And the way the styles operate is programatically we must maintain the current list level and apply its style? There does not seem to be a direct reference to the style definition. Can anyone confirm these questions for me? And any links related to style management would also be helpful, I have found a few, but would love to find a style management 101 document. Many thanks. Ian C
