Re: Fwd: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security release: 1.20.3 and 1.19.4

[janI]

On 5 March 2013 08:46, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
>> if somebody replies to your post and says "Hey,
>> false negative", you really want_that_  to happen privately.
>>
>
> That was my concern too. Jan is perfectly right that he merely forwarded a
> public security announcements, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong
> in this in itself, but it's better to avoid the (admittedly remote, in this
> case) possibility that someone exposes a security risk while commenting.
> Take this as a generic practice; we had similar discussions about
> vulnerabilities found in libraries, for example; and the common advice is
> not to discuss security-related practices in public.
>

I did not take it personally, but I do not understand how we can discuss an
issue on a mailing list where most of the people needed for the discussion
do not have access. Please remember my purpose, we need 2-3 volunteers to
test the update.

Had it been a real security update (it does contain other fixes as well), I
would simply have applied it after a short discussion on IRC. But I do
honestly think that escalating a non-issue like this to r...@apache.org is
wrong and that was why I reacted.

Instead of discussing what I should have done (and making me think "why do
I care", maybe we could concentrate on whether or not it should be applied,
and if there are any volunteers to test it.

thx in advance.

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Jeffrey Deutsch]

Hello,

The first category listed here, Favorite Office Suite for Windows, has
both OpenOffice and LibreOffice as separate competitors. I've voted
for LibreOffice since (1) that's what it is now and (2) it currently
has a majority of votes, so we should not split the vote and let one
of the corporate suites win.

Cheers,

Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Maurice Howe  wrote:
> Four??  There's **FIVE**.
> The 5th category should be: "Top Notch, Highly-Skilled, Dedicated Team of
> Volunteers."
>
> The Apache Team of Developers will win that one, hands down!  Not only do
> they "Get 'er done" but they do it with real class when responding to
> mundane and inane but sincere questions & comments without "putting down"
> the users making comments or asking for advice.  They manage to handle them
> all with clarity & charity and (bless 'em) real help.
>
> Maurice D. Howe
> General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
> 616 Lacey Drive
> Endwell, NY 13760
> 607-754-0469
> maur...@stny.rr.com
>
>
>
> We owe them a MAJOR BRAVO!  They must keep a large bottle anti-acid tablets
> handy.
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:11 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; us...@openoffice.apache.org;
> market...@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)
>
> We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice Awards.
> In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:
>
> -- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-win
> dows.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-so
> lution.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-soft
> ware-templates.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-c
> ompany-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm
>
> For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".
>
> Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once per
> day, in each category.
>
> The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
> community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do we
> have great software, but we also have a great community as well.
>
> As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: What is the build environment?

[Herbert Dürr]

Hi!

On 2013/03/05 6:51 AM, Yi Xuan Liu wrote:

I tried to install the latest build on my machine, on which the OS is
Ubuntu 10.04. And I cannot start AOO after installation.
The error is "GLIBC_2.15 not found", which is due to the lower OS version.

What is our build environment? Is there any limitation for OS version?


The build platform depends on what you mean with "latest build". E.g. 
for our nightly buildbot builds we are using the ASF provided machines
dedicated for this service. http://apache.org/dev/machines shows that 
our nightly 64bit-Linux build is created on "AMD64 Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" 
and our nightly 32bit-Linux build is created on "i386 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS". 
So if you were trying to install the 32bit nightly Linux build the 
problem can be easily explained: On Linux building forward compatible 
binaries is rather easy nowadays, but the same isn't true for building 
backwards compatible stuff.


For our releases, betas etc. we (thanks Ariel!) is doing the build on 
rather old systems so that they have a very good binary compatibility.


So in short: If you want to test the Linux-Nightly on Ubuntu 10.4 (or 
newer) please use the 64bit version. If you want to test the 32bit 
Linux-Nightly as provided by the current buildbot (bb-vm2_ubuntu_32bit) 
please use 32bit Ubuntu 12.4 or later.


Hope that helps,
Herbert

By the way I just committed r1452693 so that the configure logs will 
provide more details of the build platform.


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can the openoffice run in the unix?

[bin0725]

Hello,

I want to use the java to change the html (word,excel,image and so on) to pdf 
with the openoffice ,but it will run in the unix.

How can I do it ?

Thank you

Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Kadal Amutham]

Dear Rob, Is it correct to ask volunteers to vote? Is it not like General
Motors employees voting to promote GM cars? The users of the product shall,
not the employees.

With Warm Regards

V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480


On 5 March 2013 05:25, Jeffrey Deutsch  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The first category listed here, Favorite Office Suite for Windows, has
> both OpenOffice and LibreOffice as separate competitors. I've voted
> for LibreOffice since (1) that's what it is now and (2) it currently
> has a majority of votes, so we should not split the vote and let one
> of the corporate suites win.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff Deutsch
> Speaker & Life Coach
> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
> http://www.asplint.com
>
> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
> (http://tonecheck.com)
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Maurice Howe  wrote:
> > Four??  There's **FIVE**.
> > The 5th category should be: "Top Notch, Highly-Skilled, Dedicated Team of
> > Volunteers."
> >
> > The Apache Team of Developers will win that one, hands down!  Not only do
> > they "Get 'er done" but they do it with real class when responding to
> > mundane and inane but sincere questions & comments without "putting down"
> > the users making comments or asking for advice.  They manage to handle
> them
> > all with clarity & charity and (bless 'em) real help.
> >
> > Maurice D. Howe
> > General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
> > 616 Lacey Drive
> > Endwell, NY 13760
> > 607-754-0469
> > maur...@stny.rr.com
> >
> >
> >
> > We owe them a MAJOR BRAVO!  They must keep a large bottle anti-acid
> tablets
> > handy.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:11 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; us...@openoffice.apache.org;
> > market...@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)
> >
> > We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice
> Awards.
> > In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:
> >
> > -- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-win
> > dows.htm
> >
> > -- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-so
> > lution.htm
> >
> > -- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-soft
> > ware-templates.htm
> >
> > -- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-c
> > ompany-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm
> >
> > For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".
> >
> > Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once
> per
> > day, in each category.
> >
> > The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
> > community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do we
> > have great software, but we also have a great community as well.
> >
> > As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
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Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[RA Stehmann]

Am 05.03.2013 00:55, schrieb Jeffrey Deutsch:
> Hello,
> 
> The first category listed here, Favorite Office Suite for Windows, has
> both OpenOffice and LibreOffice as separate competitors. I've voted
> for LibreOffice since (1) that's what it is now and (2) it currently
> has a majority of votes, so we should not split the vote and let one
> of the corporate suites win.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff Deutsch

I'm not able to vote for LibreOffice, because it isn't my choice.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Fwd: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security release: 1.20.3 and 1.19.4

[Daniel Shahaf]

janI wrote on Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:08:33 +0100:
> On 5 March 2013 08:46, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> > Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> >
> >> if somebody replies to your post and says "Hey,
> >> false negative", you really want_that_  to happen privately.
> >>
> >
> > That was my concern too. Jan is perfectly right that he merely forwarded a
> > public security announcements, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong
> > in this in itself, but it's better to avoid the (admittedly remote, in this
> > case) possibility that someone exposes a security risk while commenting.
> > Take this as a generic practice; we had similar discussions about
> > vulnerabilities found in libraries, for example; and the common advice is
> > not to discuss security-related practices in public.
> >
> 
> I did not take it personally, but I do not understand how we can discuss an
> issue on a mailing list where most of the people needed for the discussion
> do not have access. Please remember my purpose, we need 2-3 volunteers to
> test the update.

I am expecting you to discuss security issues privately and recruit
volunteers publicly.

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Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Eleanor Lyons]

I have downloaded open office and would like to know how I can use this program.
Eleanor Lyons
jflyon...@sc.rr.com
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Volunteer:Legal and Translation

[Paola Aguiar]

Doug Cutting and Apache's Board:

Hi, I am a Peruvian-US citizen, who is currently studying a master in IP and 
International Business  Law at SCU. 

I am really familiar with FREE software because I have been using your software 
and other sharing open sources as I had the opportunity to meet Richard 
Stallman from GNU and Kat Walsh from Creative Commons, I understand the 
philosophy behind open source and unix.
I would like to contribute enthusiastically to comply Apache's vision,  
bringing  ideas to your team table, helping in Apache's legal and international 
projects as offering my bilingual skills for a good cause.

Please don't hesitate to contact me anytime to this email.

Thanks

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Re: 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4.

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Yesterday we reached the 40 million download mark for Apache
> OpenOffice 3.4.  Congratulations to all the volunteers who made this
> possible!
>
> More information can be found in this blog post on this topic:
> http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_40_million_downloads
>
> As always, any help you can provide to share the story to your social
> networks would be appreciated.
>

Coverage in Heise Online:

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Apache-OpenOffice-reaches-40-million-download-milestone-1816342.html

-Rob


> Thanks & Regards,
>
> -Rob

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Re: 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4.

[Kadal Amutham]

The number of OpenOffice installation will be much more than than this. In
an office environment single down load may installed in many machine, will
make the number of installations, hard to estimate

With Warm Regards

V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480


On 5 March 2013 19:06, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > Yesterday we reached the 40 million download mark for Apache
> > OpenOffice 3.4.  Congratulations to all the volunteers who made this
> > possible!
> >
> > More information can be found in this blog post on this topic:
> > http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_40_million_downloads
> >
> > As always, any help you can provide to share the story to your social
> > networks would be appreciated.
> >
>
> Coverage in Heise Online:
>
>
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Apache-OpenOffice-reaches-40-million-download-milestone-1816342.html
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Thanks & Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
>
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Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Jeffrey Deutsch]

Hello,

That's quite an interesting question.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with asking people -- whether
volunteers or employees -- as a group to vote in a secret-ballot
election. It's not as if the company can give any sanctions for not
voting the right way.

Incidentally, I'm a very happy user myself, not an official of
OpenOffice, LibreOffice, Apache or anything like that.

Cheers!

Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Kadal Amutham  wrote:
> Dear Rob, Is it correct to ask volunteers to vote? Is it not like General
> Motors employees voting to promote GM cars? The users of the product shall,
> not the employees.
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 05:25, Jeffrey Deutsch  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The first category listed here, Favorite Office Suite for Windows, has
>> both OpenOffice and LibreOffice as separate competitors. I've voted
>> for LibreOffice since (1) that's what it is now and (2) it currently
>> has a majority of votes, so we should not split the vote and let one
>> of the corporate suites win.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeff Deutsch
>> Speaker & Life Coach
>> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
>> http://www.asplint.com
>>
>> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a
>> smile.
>> (http://tonecheck.com)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Maurice Howe  wrote:
>> > Four??  There's **FIVE**.
>> > The 5th category should be: "Top Notch, Highly-Skilled, Dedicated Team
>> > of
>> > Volunteers."
>> >
>> > The Apache Team of Developers will win that one, hands down!  Not only
>> > do
>> > they "Get 'er done" but they do it with real class when responding to
>> > mundane and inane but sincere questions & comments without "putting
>> > down"
>> > the users making comments or asking for advice.  They manage to handle
>> > them
>> > all with clarity & charity and (bless 'em) real help.
>> >
>> > Maurice D. Howe
>> > General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
>> > 616 Lacey Drive
>> > Endwell, NY 13760
>> > 607-754-0469
>> > maur...@stny.rr.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We owe them a MAJOR BRAVO!  They must keep a large bottle anti-acid
>> > tablets
>> > handy.
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:11 PM
>> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; us...@openoffice.apache.org;
>> > market...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > Subject: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)
>> >
>> > We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice
>> > Awards.
>> > In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:
>> >
>> > -- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
>> >
>> > http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-win
>> > dows.htm
>> >
>> > -- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
>> >
>> > http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-so
>> > lution.htm
>> >
>> > -- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
>> >
>> > http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-soft
>> > ware-templates.htm
>> >
>> > -- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
>> >
>> > http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-c
>> > ompany-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm
>> >
>> > For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".
>> >
>> > Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once
>> > per
>> > day, in each category.
>> >
>> > The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
>> > community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do
>> > we
>> > have great software, but we also have a great community as well.
>> >
>> > As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> > -
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>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> >
>> > -
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Issue with the Insert-File command in Writer

[Guy Waterval]

Hi all,

I have noticed a special behaviour of the command Insert > File ... in
Writer.
When the images in a writer file are coming from Impress/Draw by
cut/copy/paste, the writer file is running OK, but if I will integrate it
to an other writer file with the commande Insert File, all these images
from the inserted file are lost.
BTW the Master document function doesn't make any problem in this case.
Windows XP and windows 7
Tested on AOO 3.4.1 and OOoLight. Same behaviour.

A+
-- 
gw

Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Keith Curtis]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Fernand Vanrie  wrote:
> On 4/03/2013 8:27, M. Fioretti wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 08:16:25 AM +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>
>>> 99% percent , changes comes and will come from incompatiliteis in de API.
>>> for now this is OK, small changes from version to version, but
>>> nothing who not can been repaired or handled with the code( basic)
>>> itself
>>
>> I knew that. The sense of my question is, is there is a list of things
>> to avoid beforehand, rather than wait that they break and fix the
>> code?
>
> thats more a question for the developers list .
> libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org  and fore the aOO counterpart
> ooo-...@incubator.apache.org
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marco

The reason why nobody responded is no one knows, and it will generally
get worse over time as the codebases diverge. It is sort of like the
Java: "write once, test everywhere" situation.

One of the unintended consequences of the fork is the various ways it
makes things more difficult for third-parties. Users will generally
pick one product, but extension developers have a more complicated set
of choices because they may want to support multiple brands. Here is
an article I recently wrote about the power of brands that may be
helpful: http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=3163

The good news is that in the free software world, code flows with less
friction. Any typical (non-enterprise) who really wants an extension
will likely be able to install a specific version of the product if it
is required. It is just a download.

Good luck!

Regards,

-Keith

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Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Fred Ollinger]

I know that there were reasons for the fork and I respect that. I was
wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to some basic level api
for 3rd party developers?

Probably not, but I think it's worth asking.

Fred

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Keith Curtis  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Fernand Vanrie  wrote:
>> On 4/03/2013 8:27, M. Fioretti wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 08:16:25 AM +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>>
 99% percent , changes comes and will come from incompatiliteis in de API.
 for now this is OK, small changes from version to version, but
 nothing who not can been repaired or handled with the code( basic)
 itself
>>>
>>> I knew that. The sense of my question is, is there is a list of things
>>> to avoid beforehand, rather than wait that they break and fix the
>>> code?
>>
>> thats more a question for the developers list .
>> libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org  and fore the aOO counterpart
>> ooo-...@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marco
>
> The reason why nobody responded is no one knows, and it will generally
> get worse over time as the codebases diverge. It is sort of like the
> Java: "write once, test everywhere" situation.
>
> One of the unintended consequences of the fork is the various ways it
> makes things more difficult for third-parties. Users will generally
> pick one product, but extension developers have a more complicated set
> of choices because they may want to support multiple brands. Here is
> an article I recently wrote about the power of brands that may be
> helpful: http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=3163
>
> The good news is that in the free software world, code flows with less
> friction. Any typical (non-enterprise) who really wants an extension
> will likely be able to install a specific version of the product if it
> is required. It is just a download.
>
> Good luck!
>
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>
> -Keith
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Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Michael Meeks]

Hi guys,

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 09:19 -0800, Fred Ollinger wrote:
> I was wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to
> some basic level api for 3rd party developers?

It's an interesting discussion; but in the absence of any concrete
code, patches etc. it doesn't belong on the libreoffice developer list;
please drop that one from the CC.

Thanks,

Michael.

-- 
michael.me...@suse.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot


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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 13/02/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> For example, I've seen it written that to
>> contribute to AOO means that you must transfer ownership of the code
>> to teh ASF.  Of course, this is not true. You retain the ownership
>
>
> I added a sentence about this to
> http://openoffice.apache.org/contributing-code.html
> since this is a common misconception indeed. The rest of the page is really
> informative, it deserves publicity!
>

Thanks.  I'm hoping it does just that -- clear up any confusion.

However, it is hard to be both concise and accurate.  As we know the
ASF policy in this area is nuanced, and a contribution is more the
start of a process than a single instant event.

For example, the page currently says, "The code must be under the
Apache License 2.0. Any dependencies must also be under that license
or a similar permissive license."

This is a fair piece of advise, but we know that the truth is far more
complicated.  There can be some non-permissive dependencies, in binary
form, with some licenses, for example.  But if we had to explain it
completely the page would unnecessarily duplicate what already exists
elsewhere on apache.org.  And unfortunately what already exists is
inscrutable to the typical reader of that page.

But I did recently think about an alternative way of expressing the
requirement, which might show the flexibility inherent in the process.
 Instead of talking directly about the license, we could say something
like this:

"-- The code must be contributed by or with permission of the original
author(s) of the code.  Dependencies on 3rd party libraries should be
discussed on the dev list, to see how these can be brought into
conformance with ASF policy."

Regards,

-Rob

> Regards,
>   Andrea.

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Re: can the openoffice run in the unix?

[Paul Gress]

On 03/ 5/13 03:47 AM, bin0725 wrote:

Hello,

I want to use the java to change the html (word,excel,image and so on) to pdf 
with the openoffice ,but it will run in the unix.

How can I do it ?

Thank you




Hi there,



I have a question and possibly an answer.

I don't understand why java to change the html, can you explain?


Openoffice runs on Linux (most people consider it Unix).  The only true Unix it 
runs on is Solaris, and only a pre-development version at that.  Openoffice can 
convert any document to pdf that it can successfully open, the OS doesn't 
matter.

The Solaris version is available at:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots

or:

http://www.openfoundry.org/of/projects/1201/download


The Linux versions are available from the main download page:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html


Paul

Re: Proposal: pr...@openoffice.apache.org alias

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Currently we point press inquires to priv...@openoffice.apache.org.  I
> think it would be more professional to use an address like
> pr...@openoffice.apache.org or even me...@openoffice.apache.org.  But
> I don't think we want to maintain another mailing list.
>
> So, if there are no concerns, I'd like to request an mailing address
> alias, so emails directed to pr...@openoffice.apache.org get sent to
> priv...@openoffice.apache.org.
>

JIRA issue:  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5941

> -Rob

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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[janI]

On 5 March 2013 19:20, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> > On 13/02/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> For example, I've seen it written that to
> >> contribute to AOO means that you must transfer ownership of the code
> >> to teh ASF.  Of course, this is not true. You retain the ownership
> >
> >
> > I added a sentence about this to
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/contributing-code.html
> > since this is a common misconception indeed. The rest of the page is
> really
> > informative, it deserves publicity!
> >
>
> Thanks.  I'm hoping it does just that -- clear up any confusion.
>
> However, it is hard to be both concise and accurate.  As we know the
> ASF policy in this area is nuanced, and a contribution is more the
> start of a process than a single instant event.
>
> For example, the page currently says, "The code must be under the
> Apache License 2.0. Any dependencies must also be under that license
> or a similar permissive license."
>
> This is a fair piece of advise, but we know that the truth is far more
> complicated.  There can be some non-permissive dependencies, in binary
> form, with some licenses, for example.  But if we had to explain it
> completely the page would unnecessarily duplicate what already exists
> elsewhere on apache.org.  And unfortunately what already exists is
> inscrutable to the typical reader of that page.
>
> But I did recently think about an alternative way of expressing the
> requirement, which might show the flexibility inherent in the process.
>  Instead of talking directly about the license, we could say something
> like this:
>
> "-- The code must be contributed by or with permission of the original
> author(s) of the code.  Dependencies on 3rd party libraries should be
> discussed on the dev list, to see how these can be brought into
> conformance with ASF policy."
>
+1 that is a very clear formulation. I should I assume read libraries/tools.


>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
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[Discuss] Should this old FAQ around distribution of a JRE with AOO b migrated?

[Keith N. McKenna]

Greetings all;

I find myself in need of the collected wisdom of the community on 
whether to prune one of the FAQ's from the web site or to take the axe 
to it completely.


The FAQ in question is located here; 
http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html#11, and has to do with 
the distribution of the Java JRE with a commercial distribution of 
OpenOffice.


Given that there are certain dependencies of AOO on Java one part of me 
thinks that some heavy pruning and wording such as /this is an issue 
best decided between you and your legal representative and point them to 
links to both the Java License and the ALV2.


The more conservative part of me says the interaction between the two 
licenses creates a minefield that is best avoided by cutting it altogether.


I would apprecate any and all thoughts on the matter.

Regards
Keith


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Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[janI]

On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:

> Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, and I
> still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
>  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
> 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
>
> His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar camp
> talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
>
> > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> >
> > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> >
> > 1. You can't win.
> > 2. You can't even break even.
> > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> >
> > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt.
>  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be paid
> by someone (often the users).
> >
> > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki, among
> other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that discriminates the
> different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known then
> what is known now ... ."
> > See 
> > and .
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> corrections.
> >
> > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above problems
> > the worse things will get."
> >
> > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in light
> > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
> >
> > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
> > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> >
> > Don
> >
>
> I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
information in here:

I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to
moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup
files are pr project).

Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to
move forward.

Jan I.

Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Hagar Delest]

+1 for AOO.

Hagar

Le 04/03/2013 22:10, Rob Weir a écrit :


We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice
Awards.  In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:

-- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-windows.htm

-- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-solution.htm

-- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-software-templates.htm

-- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-company-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm

For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".

Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once
per day, in each category.

The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do
we have great software, but we also have a great community as well.

As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"

Regards,

-Rob



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Re: [Discuss] Should this old FAQ around distribution of a JRE with AOO b migrated?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I find myself in need of the collected wisdom of the community on whether to
> prune one of the FAQ's from the web site or to take the axe to it
> completely.
>
> The FAQ in question is located here;
> http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html#11, and has to do with the
> distribution of the Java JRE with a commercial distribution of OpenOffice.
>
> Given that there are certain dependencies of AOO on Java one part of me
> thinks that some heavy pruning and wording such as /this is an issue best
> decided between you and your legal representative and point them to links to
> both the Java License and the ALV2.
>
> The more conservative part of me says the interaction between the two
> licenses creates a minefield that is best avoided by cutting it altogether.
>
> I would apprecate any and all thoughts on the matter.
>

There is nothing in the Apache License that would prevent someone from
bundling a JRE with a distribution of Apache OpenOffice.  But we're
not the experts on what Oracle's licensing requirements are.  So I
don't think we should try to answer that question.  Maybe just remove
that FAQ altogether?

Another way of thinking about it:  If we have not seen a question in
the last 12 months, on the list, or on the forum, then is it really
"frequent"?

-Rob


> Regards
> Keith
>
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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

For example, the page currently says, "The code must be under the
Apache License 2.0. Any dependencies must also be under that license
or a similar permissive license."
This is a fair piece of advise, but we know that the truth is far more
complicated.


Yes, and I agree that this complexity is already documented in the 
Apache policy and needn't be explained here: here we are presenting 
contributions from the developer's point of view; the project's point of 
view (i.e., how to use contributions effectively) may be more complex 
and involve coding standards and other best practices, but this is a 
further step.



  Instead of talking directly about the license, we could say something
like this:
"-- The code must be contributed by or with permission of the original
author(s) of the code.  Dependencies on 3rd party libraries should be
discussed on the dev list, to see how these can be brought into
conformance with ASF policy."


I think it's fine to still mention that the contributed code must be 
under ALv2 or compatible licensing terms: this is a prerequisite. But I 
like the more flexible phrasing about dependencies.


The solver is a good example: OpenOffice already had the solver, but it 
was relying on incompatible libraries; and the project didn't rewrite 
the solver, it merely modified it to work with compatible libraries. A 
similar scenario would be considered if we receive some outstanding 
contribution having incompatible dependencies, so it's good to rectify this.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Input mode like standard

[Антон Борисов]

It is possible to make openoffice react on addon's toolbar button press
action like standard add shape button (cursor icon changes and while moving
mouse after mouse click on draw page appeared shape, which resizing
according mouse movement) ?

Or all can i do is dispatching standard command and handling modifed action
of drawpage , deleting added shape and do what i need having deleted shape
properties?
-- 
Борисов Антон

Re: Fwd: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security release: 1.20.3 and 1.19.4

[Andrea Pescetti]

janI wrote:

Instead of discussing what I should have done (and making me think "why do
I care", maybe we could concentrate on whether or not it should be applied,
and if there are any volunteers to test it.


OK, let's leave security out of this and consider it just an 
infrastructure update. Then you need a few volunteers for testing. I can 
be one, even though my account probably has some extra privileges; I can 
test normal editing and localization (interface and content 
translation). Then we can probably find a couple of documentation 
volunteers, who are the heaviest users of Mwiki in this period, and 
start testing.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> For example, the page currently says, "The code must be under the
>> Apache License 2.0. Any dependencies must also be under that license
>> or a similar permissive license."
>> This is a fair piece of advise, but we know that the truth is far more
>> complicated.
>
>
> Yes, and I agree that this complexity is already documented in the Apache
> policy and needn't be explained here: here we are presenting contributions
> from the developer's point of view; the project's point of view (i.e., how
> to use contributions effectively) may be more complex and involve coding
> standards and other best practices, but this is a further step.
>
>
>>   Instead of talking directly about the license, we could say something
>> like this:
>> "-- The code must be contributed by or with permission of the original
>> author(s) of the code.  Dependencies on 3rd party libraries should be
>> discussed on the dev list, to see how these can be brought into
>> conformance with ASF policy."
>
>
> I think it's fine to still mention that the contributed code must be under
> ALv2 or compatible licensing terms: this is a prerequisite. But I like the
> more flexible phrasing about dependencies.
>
> The solver is a good example: OpenOffice already had the solver, but it was
> relying on incompatible libraries; and the project didn't rewrite the
> solver, it merely modified it to work with compatible libraries. A similar
> scenario would be considered if we receive some outstanding contribution
> having incompatible dependencies, so it's good to rectify this.
>

OK. Feel free to update the language.  I think we agree on the facts.
It is just a matter of making it clear.

-Rob

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [Accessibility] IA2 migration status

[Shenfeng Liu]

Steve,
  Thanks for your update for good progress!
  When do you expect that we can start testing on the branch?
  I understand that it will take long time to finish the migration and
enablement,  but I think maybe we can do early testing for the implemented
parts. e.g. for Writer, when you finished it.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/3/6 Steve Yin 

> Hi all,
>
> THe AOO IAccessible2 migration work is ongoing. Now we have finished about
> 15% in the phase 3.
>
> The IA2 migration work for Writer will have the highest priority. Once we
> finished the UT, we will update the branch.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: Issue with the Insert-File command in Writer

[Yi Xuan Liu]

Thanks for your findings. Could you open a defect at bugzilla
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/, which is used to track issues.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Guy Waterval wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have noticed a special behaviour of the command Insert > File ... in
> Writer.
> When the images in a writer file are coming from Impress/Draw by
> cut/copy/paste, the writer file is running OK, but if I will integrate it
> to an other writer file with the commande Insert File, all these images
> from the inserted file are lost.
> BTW the Master document function doesn't make any problem in this case.
> Windows XP and windows 7
> Tested on AOO 3.4.1 and OOoLight. Same behaviour.
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>

Re: Issue with the Insert-File command in Writer

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Yi Xuan Liu,

Many thanks for your answer.
>From the educoo users mailing list I have received an answer  saying it's a
wellknown bug.
Workaround : paste the image as a GDI metafile. Seems to be OK with this
method.
Sorry for the noise.
A+
-- 
gw

2013/3/6 Yi Xuan Liu 

> Thanks for your findings. Could you open a defect at bugzilla
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/, which is used to track issues.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Guy Waterval  >wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have noticed a special behaviour of the command Insert > File ... in
> > Writer.
> > When the images in a writer file are coming from Impress/Draw by
> > cut/copy/paste, the writer file is running OK, but if I will integrate it
> > to an other writer file with the commande Insert File, all these images
> > from the inserted file are lost.
> > BTW the Master document function doesn't make any problem in this case.
> > Windows XP and windows 7
> > Tested on AOO 3.4.1 and OOoLight. Same behaviour.
> >
> > A+
> > --
> > gw
> >
>