Re: [RELEASE]: propose RC2 on revision 1616946

2014-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 13/08/14 18:03, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/13/2014 12:21 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> On 13/08/14 08:55, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 12.08.2014 21:45, Kay Schenk wrote:


 On 08/11/2014 01:53 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose RC2 based on revision 1616946 from the AOO410
> branch. The build is ongoing and I expect to have the builds available
> tomorrow or on Wednesday.
>
> Further details later ...
>
> Juergen

 My current RC1 build has this information --
 AOO411m4(Build:9774)  -  Rev. 1614049
 2014-07-28 17:54 - Linux i686

 Proposed RC2 has build number of 9757 so it will not update RC1.

 Is the build number for RC2 correct?


>>>
>>> The build number is not correct. It should be 9775.
>>> Murphy caused a typo in the corresponding change to
>>> main/solenv/inc/minor.mk on branch AOO410.
>>>
>>> I propose to correct the build number - I will do the commit - and to
>>> rebuild RC2
>>
>> I have corrected my mistake and will do a RC3 to avoid confusion. RC2 is
>> already uploaded and I have to tweak the wiki anyway (grrr)
>>
>>
>> Juergen
> 
> Thanks Juergen and Oliversorry I didn't notice this sooner in the
> commits log.

no problem, that's life. My mistake and I had the work to do ;-) But the
upload is nearly finished ... I have now to fight with the wiki ones
again. The next time I would use mediawiki.

Juergen

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[RELEASE]: RC3 based on revision 1617669

2014-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi,

I have prepare a further RC3 build based on revision 1617669 of the
AOO410 branch. I made a mistake and switched 2 digits in the build
number that causes installation problems for updates of existing
installations.

It's the only change and the RC3 is now available.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds

Fixes
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/milestones/4.1.1-rc3-r1617669/AOO4.1.1_fixes.html

The vote is planned to start tomorrow.

Juergen

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[discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread jan i
hi.

Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
latelysounds good you think lots of activity

SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.

It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
reasons:
- the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
- you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
times
- you waste our bandwith

If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML, one
solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
(absolutely not one I prefer).

How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?

rgds
jan I


Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Andre Fischer

On 14.08.2014 14:02, jan i wrote:

hi.

Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
latelysounds good you think lots of activity

SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.


Can you give an example?



It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
reasons:
- the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
- you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
times
- you waste our bandwith

If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML, one
solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
(absolutely not one I prefer).

How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?

rgds
jan I




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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
> hi.
> 
> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> latelysounds good you think lots of activity
> 
> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
> 
> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> reasons:
> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> times
> - you waste our bandwith
> 
> If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML, one
> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> (absolutely not one I prefer).
> 
> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?

We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
but for me it is more important to reach all.

If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.


Juergen


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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread jan i
On 14 August 2014 15:15, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
> > hi.
> >
> > Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> > latelysounds good you think lots of activity
> >
> > SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> > something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
> >
> > It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> > reasons:
> > - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> > - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> > times
> > - you waste our bandwith
> >
> > If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML,
> one
> > solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> > (absolutely not one I prefer).
> >
> > How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>

Andre ask for examples (just look in your mailbox), here are a few:
[RELEASE]: RC3 based on revision 1617669
[QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20140811[Blog Post] Join the
OpenOffice localizationActually just look at the MLs, its hard to avoid a
mail where the sender contains several ML.


> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>
> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>
It is very easy, 3 ways:

1) send the original mail to 1 list, and links on the other list. This is
the suggested way.
2) Send the mail to multiple lists, but use BCC, that way the replies will
not be copied to all lists
3) Send a mail to every list, instead of 1 mail which reference all lists.

Remember your mail get replies and that multiplies the traffic.

rgds
jan I.


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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
>> hi.
>>
>> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
>> latelysounds good you think lots of activity
>>
>> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
>> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
>>
>> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
>> reasons:
>> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
>> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
>> times
>> - you waste our bandwith
>>
>> If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML, one
>> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
>> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>>
>> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>
> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>
> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>

Sometimes I will send to one list and cc the others (bcc will look
spammy to some tools), and then put in the first line of the body:
"Responses to Foo list only".

Regards,

-Rob


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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 14/08/14 15:59, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
>>> hi.
>>>
>>> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
>>> latelysounds good you think lots of activity
>>>
>>> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
>>> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
>>>
>>> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
>>> reasons:
>>> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
>>> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
>>> times
>>> - you waste our bandwith
>>>
>>> If most mails are copied to most MLthen why do we have so many ML, one
>>> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
>>> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>>>
>>> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>>
>> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
>> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
>> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
>> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
>> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
>> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
>> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>>
>> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>>
> 
> Sometimes I will send to one list and cc the others (bcc will look
> spammy to some tools), and then put in the first line of the body:
> "Responses to Foo list only".

I did this as well several times but even this got ignored and
discussion were on more than one list. So I gave up this approach.

Juergen

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
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>> Juergen
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L1C1 format in calc

2014-08-14 Thread Jean Hamburger
hi!

i am still waiting for L1C1 format like in Excel. This has been
promised a long time ago but nothing happens!!

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Re: L1C1 format in calc

2014-08-14 Thread FR web forum
Thanks to report your comment in the dedicated issue: 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20857
You can register there and add your vote (up to two)

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Envoyé: Jeudi 14 Août 2014 15:03:50
Objet: L1C1 format in calc

hi!

i am still waiting for L1C1 format like in Excel. This has been
promised a long time ago but nothing happens!!

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RE: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Lawrence Rosen
I'm stepping into the middle of this thread merely to recommend that Apache 
projects consider using "Discourse" rather than email lists directly. 
http://www.discourse.org/

I had the opportunity to use Discourse at another foundation and I love the way 
it gathers conversations into useful threads without burying my inbox with 
stuff.

/Larry

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Patches for enhancing traditional Chinese(ZH-TW) numbering conversion in ww8,rtf,ooxml filters

2014-08-14 Thread Hung Mark
Recently I looked into issues where Chinese numbering in doc / docx /rtf
were missed when opening the file in OpenOffice.  Fortunately, I found the
way to fix them. ( as attached )


 I tried to key in an issue and submit my patch. (
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125400)  I don't know how
long it will get processed and the correct process to submit the
fix.However I'm glad if it can be merged as soon as possible. It will be a
great help if the AOO can process document with numbering generated by
traditional Chinese version of MSO correctly, especially for people from
Taiwan.  Please help. I'll do my best if any further information is
necessary.

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PhD dissertation survey on requirements engineering practices in open source software development

2014-08-14 Thread experiment forPhDdissertation
Hi Sir,

 My name is jaison kuriakose and i am a PhD student in information
systems in memorial university, Canada. As part of my PhD dissertation, i
am conducting a survey study on requirements engineering practices in open
source software development. Below are the details about the study. If
possible, please forward the survey link to other members and if possible,
please post it in open discussion forums. Thank you.


Invitation message for participation in the survey



Dear sir/madam,



You are invited to participate in a survey titled "requirements engineering
practices used in the development of open source software projects". This
survey is part of a PhD dissertation study on requirements gathering in
open source software development.



This survey contains questions about which requirements engineering
practices are being used during open source software development, how
useful requirements engineering practices are for open source software
development and the problems and issues that may arise while carrying out
requirements gathering activities during open source software development.
The survey would take around twenty minutes to complete. The questions are
not mandatory. If you are interested in participating in this survey,
please fill out the survey by clicking on the link below:



http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1582452/ba155dc1677a





Researcher information: My name is Jaison Kuriakose and I am a PhD
candidate at memorial university, Canada. My contact email is jk5...@mun.ca



The proposal for this research has been reviewed by the Interdisciplinary
Committee on Ethics in Human Research and found to be in compliance with
Memorial University's ethics policy. If you have ethical concerns about the
research, such as the way you have been treated or your rights as a
participant, you may contact the Chairperson of the ICEHR at ic...@mun.ca
or by telephone at 709-864-2861.



Thank you

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Memorial University, Canada


Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.

2014-08-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti

jan i wrote:

1) send the original mail to 1 list, and links on the other list. This is
the suggested way.


It is the safest, but it is quite inconvenient. One must wait that the 
first e-mail shows up in the archives, Apache archives are bad since 
they do not support threaded view...



2) Send the mail to multiple lists, but use BCC, that way the replies will
not be copied to all lists


Spam concerns aside (linked to BCC), this may work. In the end the issue 
is not with the first announcement (we do have some messages that need 
to be posted to several lists), but with the follow-up. Of course, since 
our lists rewrite Reply-to, one must specify what the follow-up list is.


So: one mailing list in TO, the other ones in BCC, a first line of the 
mail saying "Replies to dev@openoffice.apache.org ; the other lists are 
being included for notification only".



3) Send a mail to every list, instead of 1 mail which reference all lists.


This easily leads to crazy thread duplication and should be avoided.


Remember your mail get replies and that multiplies the traffic.


If it happens that I have to send a mail to multiple lists, I'll do #2 
and I'll trust that people reading the message know what they are doing.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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DocFormats - Open source OOXML implementation

2014-08-14 Thread Peter Kelly
Those of you interested in OOXML may want to have a look at my own 
implementation of (a subset of) the spec, which is part of a library I've just 
made available as open source (license is ASLv2):

https://github.com/uxproductivity/DocFormats

I started working on this around two years ago as part of UX Write, and it's 
been included in the version shipping on the iOS app store since February 2013. 
I've recently finished removing all dependencies on iOS/OS X APIs, and 
converting all the code from Objective C to plain C99. It now also builds on 
Linux, with Windows not being too far away.

The design is based on bidirectional transformation, as a way of achieving 
non-destructive editing of foreign file formats. This permits incremental 
implementation of a given spec without risking data loss due to incomplete 
features, since unsupported features of a given file format are left untouched 
on save. UX Write uses HTML as both its native file format and in-memory data 
model (via WebKit), but relies on DocFormats to read & write .docx files, as 
well as export to LaTeX. The next major task I plan to work on (hopefully with 
help from others!) is .odt support.

Now that this is open source, the eventual goal is for it to be generally 
usable by any app which has a need to support multiple file formats, such as 
OOXML and ODF. Currently it is limited to word processing formats only, but I'm 
interested in expanding it to cover spreadsheets, presentations, and drawings. 
Aside from editors, it also could be used for batch conversion tools, document 
analysis, web publishing, and other purposes.

There are minimal dependencies (basically only libxml and zlib), to make it 
easy to integrate into different apps. I'm not a fan of huge monolithic 
architectures, and have kept it very independent of other other aspects of UX 
Write for this very purpose. Note that this means there is no editing or 
rendering code; it deals solely with conversion. UX Write uses WebKit for the 
rendering, but there are many other ways in which one could build on top of 
this.

I'll be presenting on this at ApacheCon EU this November - see the talk 
"Addressing File Format Compatibility in Word Processors" at 
http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org.

Comments/questions are welcome.

--
Dr. Peter M. Kelly
Founder, UX Productivity
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