Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 01/20/2015 01:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > > On 01/20/2015 11:28 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL. > >> > >> -- replying below to -- > >> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05 > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for > us would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible > usage that did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be > rather careful here.) > >> > >> > >>Yuri had intentionally stayed away from the license question and > >>simply described his impression of Qt in terms of technology. > >> However, I do believe that having Qt in place of VCL would be > >>very serious (although allowing Qt under VCL as an *option* is > different). > >> > >>I believe the governing conditions in the Apache Project Maturity > Model > >>(https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel) are > CD20, > >>CD30, and especially LC20. > >> Going to Qt would be more than a requirement for using the > compiled > >>code, it would also be a requirement for being able to compile the > code. > > > > My impression was only the latter in the same way we use other libraries > > outside of AOO to build. See info on the QuickCompiler page -- > > http://doc.qt.io/QtQuickCompiler/index.html > > > >>In the case of writing aids that are made available with AOO binaries > >>(or as extensions), there is no dependency concerning licensed > material > >>at the AOO source-code level. The license accompanies the extension, > >>but the extension's usage at the AOO level is indifferent and the > >>extensions are replaceable. Recall the project was very careful > about > >>that. > >> > >>Relying on Qt, even as a redistributable shared library obtained > from the > >>Qt project, makes it not possible to build AOO without that > dependency, > >>and it would permeate the APIs and source-code architecture > everywhere. > >>Apart from the effort required to do that, I think that is a serious > >>intrusion of an LGPL dependency into the entire project. > >> > >>I think there is an open question about sliding Qt under VCL as > simply a > >>platform adaptation. My question to Yuri was about what he knew > concerning > >>lifecycle management in handling that. I believe that remains to be > >>explored. That might be someone's itch to scratch, but I don't > think it > >>should distract the project at this point. I think there are many > other > >>pressing matters that require someone with both an itch and the > means to > >>scratch it. > >> > >>I also think there is some sort of confusion of Qt with respect to > Webkit. > >>I am not certain what that is. However, to the degree one is > interested > >>in moving toward light-weight GUIs that take advantage of the HTML5, > CSS, > >>and JavaScript support on devices and the cloud, there seem to be > more > >>direct avenues that one might consider for AOO, although I for one am > >>completely ignorant of what that would disrupt in the current AOO > >>architecture and source-code structures. > >> > >>Squirrel !;<). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It's taken me a while to get back to this thread. As further points of > interest in this discussion: > > * Our Mac OSX version uses a native port to Aqua with minimal hooks to > VCL -- > see > > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb#What_do_we_have_to_build_in_vcl.3F > > Also see sources in: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/vcl/ > > Not being a Mac builder, I was not aware of this. > > * We already have "plugins" from vcl to gtk, kde, and kde4. > I would need to get into the code more to see how these function as > opposed to what I'm on now --vcl. A plugin to qt would work the same way > I suspect. > > My research so far has produced more questions at this point. > It is definitely true that "trying" to pull out vcl completely (as was > done with the aqua port for the most part I imagine) and using qt is the > best way to determine any viability. Not in trunk of course. > > This might be a fun experiment for a class of CSCI students. > ... and yet another observation. Our Linux builds actually use the vcl/gtk+ plugin by default unless disabled. Who knew. > -- > - > MzK > > "An old horse for a long, hard road, > a young pony for a quick ride." > -- Texas Bix Bender > -- - MzK "An old horse for a long, hard road, a young pony for a quick ride."
Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
[ + ] Jan Iversen (jani) (binding) On 1/30/2015 10:52 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to > resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a > successor could be elected. A previous vote was cancelled. For this > second vote we have two candidates: Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) and > Jan Iversen (jani). > > In my capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair, I will submit a > resolution to the Board asking to be replaced by the most voted of the > two candidates. Since candidates are not on the OpenOffice PMC, the > winning candidate will automatically be elected to the OpenOffice PMC > too (assuming we have the needed participation and consensus). I am > not available to stay in my role. > > Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as > the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? > [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) > [ ] Jan Iversen (jani) > > Vote opens now and it will last one week, until 6 February 2015 7:00 > PM GMT, to give all community members the opportunity to participate. > The resolution will be submitted to the Board in time for the February > meeting (18 February 2015). > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect OracleCorporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: From user on Facebook, saying BestBuy is telling users OpenOffice has viruses
Am 02/03/2015 03:17 AM, schrieb jonathon: On 02/02/15 22:29, Kay Schenk wrote: The fact that an individual says OpenOffice is loaded with viruses IS a problem. Maybe a note to BestBuy might be in order on this count. That won't be the first time,l and won't be the last time that somebody claims that Apache OpenOffice gave them a virus, when the virus was actually courtesy of the software that Sourceforge implies is what the person wants to download, but is actually a third party host for things that the downloader does not want. Sourceforge doesn't distribute software with viruses, malware, etc. Sometimes here and there are ads that have a bad agenda, sure. But when pointing Sourforge towards them they have stopped them very fast (which means within hours!). So, at the end *OpenOffice does not come with viruses*. In other words, fire Sourceforge as the host for all software distributed by the Apache Open Office Project. This request is of course ridiculous. Or do we have to understand your ranting that you are offering an alternative hosting on your server(s)? ;-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting broken download link
Thanks for your report. However, I cannot see any problem report. And also the values do not point to a problem. So, what's your real problem? ;-) Have you tried the link below? Thanks Marcus Am 02/03/2015 07:47 PM, schrieb Chris McGuire: Download file link (full) http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download Download file link (lp) http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe/download Checksum file link (full) (here for MD5) http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe.md5 Checksum file link (lp) (here for MD5) http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe.md5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Reporting broken download link
*Browser variables* *Values* navigator.appCodeName Mozilla navigator.appName Netscape navigator.appVersion 5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.94 Safari/537.36 navigator.platform Win32 navigator.oscpu undefined navigator.cpuClass undefined navigator.product Gecko navigator.productSub20030107 navigator.vendorGoogle Inc. navigator.vendorSub navigator.language en-us navigator.browserLanguage undefined navigator.userLanguage undefined navigator.systemLanguageundefined navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.94 Safari/537.36 Debian / Ubuntu / IceWeasel ? No / No / No *Stable Release* *JavaScript functions/variables**Values* Language ISO code en-US Language ISO code (from select box) en-US Release matrix platform position (full) 11 Release matrix platform position (lp) 12 Release matrix platform array data y,134 Release matrix language array data en-US,English (US),English (US),y,download/index.html UI platform nameWindows (EXE) UI platform name (not supported) Platform (short)win32 URL platform name (full)Win_x86_install URL platform name (lp) Win_x86_langpack URL platform name (from select box) win32 Version (from select box) 4.1.1 File name (full)Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe File name (lp) Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe File extension .exe File size (full) (MByte)134 File size (lp) (MByte) 18 Release info Milestone AOO411m6 | Build ID 9775 | SVN r1617669 | Released 2014-08-21 Download file link (full) http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download Download file link (lp) http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe/download Checksum file link (full) (here for MD5) http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe.md5 Checksum file link (lp) (here for MD5) http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe.md5 Base URL to Sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.1/binaries/ Base URL to Apache Archive http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.1 getLinkSelection() (download URL) undefined isLanguageSupported() (true/false) ?true Show the sub-box (true/false) ? true General error (true/false) ?false
RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs"
Thanks Michael, -- Original Message -- From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 07:07 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs" [ ... ] All licenses with a copyleft, even with the weakest, force developers into compliance (but never users). A developer has to find out in all cases, whether he or she could satisfy the copyleft clause and - if applicable - in what way she or he can do it. I think every open-source license has compliance conditions, even it if is only the necessity of preserving notices and perhaps providing attribution to the original source. Also, many releases, under any kind of license, may have dependencies and components under different licenses. So attention is always required. And yes, then the developer must determine what is to be done about all of that. And for a firm, there is the need for legal advice. A problem as well is, that there are too many free software licenses. Nevertheless I'm a "fan boy" of a powerful copyleft. Freedom is necessarily stressful. Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Envelope Printing
Arnold, Here is the link to the OpenOffice Wiki that gives step by step instructions with screen shots of how to print to an envelope. Hope this solves the problem. https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Printing_envelopes Kind Regards Krista Watkins On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Arnold Lefkowitz wrote: > Hi, > Where do I need to go to print on one single envelope ? > > Thanks, > Arnie
Envelope Printing
Hi, Where do I need to go to print on one single envelope ? Thanks, Arnie
Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs"
On 02.02.2015 14:34, Simon Phipps wrote: > > That sounds a good move, Andrea. However, one question that needs asking is > why the AOO project (as opoosed to Apache in general) needs this page at > all. Now that LibreOffice uses the Mozilla license (which is not known for > compliance risks), which GPL-licensed suite is this page helping users > avoid? > All licenses with a copyleft, even with the weakest, force developers into compliance (but never users). A developer has to find out in all cases, whether he or she could satisfy the copyleft clause and - if applicable - in what way she or he can do it. A problem as well is, that there are too many free software licenses. Nevertheless I'm a "fan boy" of a powerful copyleft. Freedom is necessarily stressful. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs"
> On 02-02-2015, at 22:41, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 3 Feb 2015 03:29, "Louis Suárez-Potts" wrote: >> >> Simon, >> >> This is OT. > > What is? I am participating in a discussion of the page referred to > legal-discuss by someone else. My last contribution was a > question/suggestion in response to Andrea. As far as I can remember, > nothing I have posted so far has been unrelated to that topic. > > S. Hold on… I meant that my comment was OT, not yours. louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting
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Re: From user on Facebook, saying BestBuy is telling users OpenOffice has viruses
On 03/02/2015 jonathon wrote: That won't be the first time,l and won't be the last time that somebody claims that Apache OpenOffice gave them a virus, when the virus was actually courtesy of the software that Sourceforge implies is what the person wants to download We've seen this happen a few times (i.e., misleading advertisement displayed on the SourceForge download page), but those ads were reported here (and probably they are also reported to the right channel, which would be this one http://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-blockthis-initiative-update/ ) and promptly removed. Our biggest reputation problems do not come from there. They come from people who use search engines to find the OpenOffice site and are tricked by sponsored ads into download something else. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs"
2015-02-02 14:34 GMT+01:00 Simon Phipps : > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Andrea Pescetti > wrote: > > > On 30/01/2015 Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> 1) Companies that use commercially licensed software are exposed to > >> compliance risk that can be mitigated with time and expense. > >> 2) Companies that use copyleft software are also exposed to compliance > >> risk that can be mitigated with time and expense. > >> 3) There is a class of open source licenses that represent a middle > >> path and avoid much of this risk. The Apache License is one example. > >> 4) Apache OpenOffice uses the Apache License, so if you are concerned > >> with the cost of license compliance you might want to look further > >> into using OpenOffice. > >> I'd argue that this is a factual, relevant and appropriate thing for us > >> to say. > >> > > > > The page provides relevant information in a bad way (tone and wording of > > the above list would be OK, for example). It is by keeping it as it is > that > > we play the game of haters. I'll propose a rewrite next weekend. > > > That sounds a good move, Andrea. However, one question that needs asking is > why the AOO project (as opoosed to Apache in general) needs this page at > all. Now that LibreOffice uses the Mozilla license (which is not known for > compliance risks), which GPL-licensed suite is this page helping users > avoid? > I'd say OpenOffice.org itself. Roberto > > S. >
Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
On 30.01.2015 19:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [x ] Jan Iversen (jani) Sincerely, Armin -- ALG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[CWiki] Account Whitelisting
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Re: FOSDEM from a personal view.
On 02.02.2015 19:31, jan i wrote: > I had a talk with a couple of other non-AOO apache people, and we all > agreed to try and make an apache stand next year (with AOO of course), to > have ASF represented, and to help Stehmanns in their good work. A good example for the way Apache should go, was the booth (stand) next to us. There were a lot of "yapc"s all around the world,before perl people realize that it is a good idea to have booths on "normal" free software conferences. Even there was a perl dev room at FOSDEM there were a lot of talks at the perl booth too. Apache was not present on "normal" free software conferences I know, before OpenOffice became an Apache project and continued marketing activities on these conferences. Everybody knows the Apache webserver and OpenOffice is wellknown too. But Apache as whole and many Apache projects might have advantages by better public relations. So it might be our gift as a "new" Apache project to promote Apache (as a whole) as a more and better integrated part of the free software community. So let show us the diversity of Apache! Kind regards Michael P.S.: Thank you very much for your commendation, Jan. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
On 30/01/15 19:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as > the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? > [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [X] Jan Iversen (jani) (binding) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
