Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Matthias Seidel 

Am 20.08.23 um 13:16 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
Apache OpenOffice is FULLPRODUCTNAME. 


I can’t remember where I saw just “OpenOffice” off the top of my head, 
but I’ll draw your attention to it when I come across it again.


We often use it out of convenience (PRODUCTNAME). The name change was in 
2012 with AOO becoming a TLP.


But I really have no time for this discussion anymore. Maybe others have 
more time? ;-)




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2023-08-20 14:13, Matthias Seidel rašė:

Hi,

Am 20.08.23 um 13:05 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:

The product *is* Apache OpenOffice.
Thank you for correcting me! That is the answer, then. (There must 
have been a historical change that slipped my view. We still have 
some places in the code where it is just “OpenOffice.”)


Apache OpenOffice is FULLPRODUCTNAME.

Regards,

   Matthias



2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:
Personally, I think we have much more important things to do than 
discussing about a logo change...
I don’t think we need to approach light-weight tasks as this one in 
either/or terms. Otherwise, agreed, it is a minor question.

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📧 Aivaras Stepukonis 
 





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Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Aivaras Stepukonis 
Apache OpenOffice is FULLPRODUCTNAME. 


I can’t remember where I saw just “OpenOffice” off the top of my head, 
but I’ll draw your attention to it when I come across it again.


--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis 

2023-08-20 14:13, Matthias Seidel rašė:

Hi,

Am 20.08.23 um 13:05 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:

The product *is* Apache OpenOffice.
Thank you for correcting me! That is the answer, then. (There must 
have been a historical change that slipped my view. We still have 
some places in the code where it is just “OpenOffice.”)


Apache OpenOffice is FULLPRODUCTNAME.

Regards,

   Matthias



2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:
Personally, I think we have much more important things to do than 
discussing about a logo change...
I don’t think we need to approach light-weight tasks as this one in 
either/or terms. Otherwise, agreed, it is a minor question.

--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis

Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Matthias Seidel 

Hi,

Am 20.08.23 um 13:05 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:

The product *is* Apache OpenOffice.
Thank you for correcting me! That is the answer, then. (There must 
have been a historical change that slipped my view. We still have some 
places in the code where it is just “OpenOffice.”)


Apache OpenOffice is FULLPRODUCTNAME.

Regards,

   Matthias



2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:
Personally, I think we have much more important things to do than 
discussing about a logo change...
I don’t think we need to approach light-weight tasks as this one in 
either/or terms. Otherwise, agreed, it is a minor question.

--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis 




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Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Aivaras Stepukonis 

2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:

The product *is* Apache OpenOffice.
Thank you for correcting me! That is the answer, then. (There must have 
been a historical change that slipped my view. We still have some places 
in the code where it is just “OpenOffice.”)


2023-08-20 13:51, Matthias Seidel rašė:
Personally, I think we have much more important things to do than 
discussing about a logo change...
I don’t think we need to approach light-weight tasks as this one in 
either/or terms. Otherwise, agreed, it is a minor question.

--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis

Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Matthias Seidel 


Am 20.08.23 um 12:39 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:
One. The circle R is there because Apache OpenOffice is a registered 
trademark in the US and other jurisdictions.


Being registered and having “®” in the logo are two separate things. 
There is no legal requirement or necessity to include “®” in the logo 
of a registered trademark and, as far as I see, most companies that 
operate registered trademarks do not include the aforementioned sign 
in their logos.


2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:
Having Apache present shows where the project is. We do have issues 
with trademark violations and also who trademarks on variants one 
example is OpenOffice.de which either simply republishes our software 
or for Windows will also install unfriendly software that no one wants.


The things you’re mentioning here should be address elsewhere in the 
documentation, not in the logo. The logo is there for clear and 
instant /product/ identification. The product is OpenOffice, not Apache.


The product *is* Apache OpenOffice.



2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:
A better version in SVG would be great, but please don’t change the 
text.


I’m reaffirming my suggestion to remove “Apache” and “®” from the logo 
for the reasons I’ve specified in an earlier email. We’d need to vote 
for that, though.


Personally, I think we have much more important things to do than 
discussing about a logo change...


This project has *very* limited resources.

Regards,

   Matthias



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2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2023, at 6:06 AM, Aivaras 
Stepukonis  wrote:


Hi Corentin,


What are the reasons or arguments for the change?


I find the core of the current logo fine for aesthetics and 
effective for communication. The only thing I’d change is remove the 
“Apache” and “®” from it, as both these elements crowd the logo, 
weakening the focus, and ultimately break the simplicity and 
modernity of the /initial/ logo (it was a stylistic regression to 
insert them). Here’s a quick 
comparison.
One. The circle R is there because Apache OpenOffice is a registered 
trademark in the US and other jurisdictions.


Two. Having Apache present shows where the project is. We do have 
issues with trademark violations and also who trademarks on variants 
one example is OpenOffice.de which either simply republishes our 
software or for Windows will also install unfriendly software that no 
one wants.


A better version in SVG would be great, but please don’t change the 
text.


Best,
Dave



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2023-08-14 18:30, Corentin Verbrèghe (Manjiro5) rašė:
Hi, I would like to propose a brand new logo for Apache OpenOffice. 
I don't not know if I contact the right place. I wish that it be 
implemented in the next minor version of AOO if possible, the 
4.1.15. What do you think ?

Cordially,
Manjiro5 (C. Verbreghe)


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Re: [Discussion] ODF 1.3 filter implementation strategy

2023-08-20 Thread Matthias Seidel 

Hi Rony,

Am 20.08.23 um 12:40 schrieb Rony G. Flatscher (Apache):
Has there been any work on this since? It seems that not supporting 
1.3 causes troubles for AOO users who receive 1.3 documents.


Acknowledged.

But to my knowledge we have no volunteer working on that topic...

Regards,

   Matthias



---rony


On 12.10.2021 00:00, Kay Schenk wrote:

Hello all --

If you'd like an opinion from someone who hasn't contributed to the 
project in about 3 years...


I think using the filter API is the way to go. I remember getting 
very curious about the filter API quite some time ago for something I 
wanted to work on -- maybe generic XML docs, and realized this API 
seemed very useful but I wasn't sure how it had been used. So, one 
opinion for you in any case.


On 10/10/21 4:35 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hi all,

ODF 1.3 becomes more relevant soon. MS Office 2021 will support only 
ODF 1.3


So I try to look into this, however our implementation on ODF 
currently uses not the filter API but office Document model directly.


Should we stay with this architecture or should we use this 
opportunity to migrate on a API driven filter?


What is your opinion on this?



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Re: [Discussion] ODF 1.3 filter implementation strategy

2023-08-20 Thread Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) 
Has there been any work on this since? It seems that not supporting 1.3 causes troubles for AOO 
users who receive 1.3 documents.


---rony


On 12.10.2021 00:00, Kay Schenk wrote:

Hello all --

If you'd like an opinion from someone who hasn't contributed to the project in 
about 3 years...

I think using the filter API is the way to go. I remember getting very curious about the filter 
API quite some time ago for something I wanted to work on -- maybe generic XML docs, and realized 
this API seemed very useful but I wasn't sure how it had been used. So, one opinion for you in any 
case.


On 10/10/21 4:35 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hi all,

ODF 1.3 becomes more relevant soon. MS Office 2021 will support only ODF 1.3

So I try to look into this, however our implementation on ODF currently uses not the filter API 
but office Document model directly.


Should we stay with this architecture or should we use this opportunity to migrate on a API 
driven filter?


What is your opinion on this?



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Re: AOO Brand new logo proposal

2023-08-20 Thread Aivaras Stepukonis 

2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:
One. The circle R is there because Apache OpenOffice is a registered 
trademark in the US and other jurisdictions.


Being registered and having “®” in the logo are two separate things. 
There is no legal requirement or necessity to include “®” in the logo of 
a registered trademark and, as far as I see, most companies that operate 
registered trademarks do not include the aforementioned sign in their logos.


2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:
Having Apache present shows where the project is. We do have issues 
with trademark violations and also who trademarks on variants one 
example is OpenOffice.de which either simply republishes our software 
or for Windows will also install unfriendly software that no one wants.


The things you’re mentioning here should be address elsewhere in the 
documentation, not in the logo. The logo is there for clear and instant 
/product/ identification. The product is OpenOffice, not Apache.


2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:

A better version in SVG would be great, but please don’t change the text.


I’m reaffirming my suggestion to remove “Apache” and “®” from the logo 
for the reasons I’ve specified in an earlier email. We’d need to vote 
for that, though.


--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis 

2023-08-20 00:03, Dave Fisher rašė:


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 19, 2023, at 6:06 AM, Aivaras Stepukonis  wrote:

Hi Corentin,


What are the reasons or arguments for the change?


I find the core of the current logo fine for aesthetics and effective for 
communication. The only thing I’d change is remove the “Apache” and “®” from it, as 
both these elements crowd the logo, weakening the focus, and ultimately break the 
simplicity and modernity of the /initial/ logo (it was a stylistic regression to 
insert them). Here’s a quick 
comparison.

One. The circle R is there because Apache OpenOffice is a registered trademark 
in the US and other jurisdictions.

Two. Having Apache present shows where the project is. We do have issues with 
trademark violations and also who trademarks on variants one example is 
OpenOffice.de which either simply republishes our software or for Windows will 
also install unfriendly software that no one wants.

A better version in SVG would be great, but please don’t change the text.

Best,
Dave



--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis

2023-08-14 18:30, Corentin Verbrèghe (Manjiro5) rašė:

Hi, I would like to propose a brand new logo for Apache OpenOffice. I don't not 
know if I contact the right place. I wish that it be implemented in the next 
minor version of AOO if possible, the 4.1.15. What do you think ?
Cordially,
Manjiro5 (C. Verbreghe)


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