Re: MLA Format for students
MLA is one of thousands of referencing formats. Unreasonable to push one over another for ODF support. Instead, *Zotero* or *Mendeley* projects or even Thompson-Reuters *EndNote* provide functional support for both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice ODF documents. http://www.zotero.org/ http://www.mendeley.com/ http://endnote.com/en/requirements -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/MLA-Format-for-students-tp4679215p4679229.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Markmail archives discontinued
Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote > ... > > This is a pity because Markmail offered a nice interface and good > statistics. Some lists, like the users list, are unaffected and still > archived properly. For the discontinued lists, the mail-archive.com copy > still works well. As does the Nabble hosting instance. http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f2721033.subapps.html -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Markmail-archives-discontinued-tp4675884p4675886.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
Please vote [X] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair Non-binding, but Dennis is a sound choice for AOO's PMC Chair -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Dennis-Hamilton-as-new-AOO-Chair-tp4675509p4675554.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [ ] Jan Iversen (jani) Both excellent candidates, thank you both! but, my vote--non-binding-- is: [X] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-New-Apache-OpenOffice-PMC-Chair-tp4671605p4671643.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair, Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair? [ ] +1 Yes [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 No -1 No (non-binding) with apologies to Louis (who no doubt can fill the administrative role as PMC Chair) and to Andrea (for our stringing him along), but it seems there really should be additional vetting of other candidates, including perhaps their views of where the PMC is taking (needs to take) the project--rather than an unopposed and rushed VOTE. Sorry. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-New-Apache-OpenOffice-PMC-Chair-tp4670988p4671193.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 32 Redux
I've added a background color and icon. The text was also It certainly won't be missed now... -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Java-32-Redux-tp4670709p4670758.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 32
jonathon-3 wrote On 11/12/14 11:13, Andreas Säger wrote: A Java runtime environment (JRE) is required to use the following functionality: *Wizards*, namely: *Macros* *Extensions* Finding keywords in the F1 help depends on Java. *Database access* Doesn't a11y functionality/capability require Java? Not since early in the 4.1 release cycle with implementation of IAccessible2 based native bridge for Windows, and then JAB based code was removed for final release. Same over on the LibreOffice side at their 4.3 release. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Java-32-tp4669997p4670245.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Can open Open office add?
@Darren, *, On Windows 7 sp1, 64-bit en-US with the 4.1.1 release AOO411m6(Build:9775) - Rev. 1617669 2014-08-13 09:06:54 (Mi, 13 Aug 2014) Simply not having any issues with a newly created Calc sheet and =sum() ranges that skip rows as you describe. I've uploaded the .ods file for review on Nabble hosted ML here: Calc_skipped_rows_inSum_noIssues.ods http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/file/n4669060/Calc_skipped_rows_inSum_noIssues.ods Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Can-open-Open-office-add-tp4668915p4669060.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Stale static text on AOO download page
The downloads landing page ( http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html ) has some rather stale text, see stale_AOO_download_text http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/file/n4664843/stale_AOO_download_text.JPG . Could someone with permissions touch it up. Regards, Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Stale-static-text-on-AOO-download-page-tp4664843.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC4)
Jürgen Schmidt-3 wrote [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... AOO410m18(Build:9764) - Rev. 1589052 2014-04-22 11:43:54 (Di, 22 Apr 2014) +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Release-Apache-OpenOffice-4-1-0-RC4-tp4662210p4662297.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC)
This is my official (non-binding) -1 vote for a release build based on r1583666 --Justification-- Since the r1583666 based spin, several substantial issues have been corrected on trunk only r1583671 -- affects apparent quality of the IAccessible2 based AT tools support (i125573) r1583988/r1585171 -- affecting users on OS X (i124509) r1585173 -- i18 support for nds-DE local r1585261 -- serious ODF formatting issues with annotations (i124607) Strongly beleive that these and several rejected show stoppers (can fix later on trunk) necessitate a respin of an RC2, and merit rejection of the r1583666 based RC1 build. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Release-Apache-OpenOffice-4-1-0-RC-tp4661021p4661257.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC)
-Original Message- From: Andre Fischer Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 8:57 AM On 03.04.2014 09:56, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate (RC) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0. Another problem came up that looks serious enough so that I would like to cancel this vote, if nobody objects. Juergen, who started the vote, is on vacation today, so I need your help to do that. ... If you don't object to a cancellation of the vote then the current plan is to provide a fix today, rebuild and upload tomorrow and re-start the vote on the second RC on sunday or monday depending on how smooth this process works. Reasonable and prudent, +1 to stop the vote and respin. Stuart - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: R: the right Accessibility configuration
Deyla, Actually Windows accessibility in Apache OpenOffice no longer makes any use of the Java Accessibility Bridge to interface to the Java Accessibility API installed with a JRE. A native accessibility bridge for Windows has been implemented based on the IAccessible2 API. Apparently JAWS and OpenEyes do not yet correctly support global use of the IAccessible2 API, as I believe they have in the past implemented support as program moudules, i.e. for the old IBM Symphony implementation of IA2. At present, the NVDA project provides more functional support for the IAccessible2 API standard. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/the-right-Accessibility-configuration-tp4660607p4660618.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta (RC)
+1 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta The vote starts now and will be open until: Sunday evening, 9 March: 2014-03-09 11:00pm UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Bugzilla: User Sam Jennings
@Rainer, From: Rainer Bielefeld rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:54 AM Subject: Bugzilla: User Sam Jennings may be someone feels able to explain to above mentioned user how to use Bugzilla in an appropriate way? Or wants to block user Sam Jenning's Bugzilla account samjenni...@hotmail.com for a week or so for educative reasons? He is engaged and may be even talented, but unfortunately he also ignores all guidelines and violates the bugfixing workflow... Not seeing an issue. Breathe! I will simply ignore all Bug reports where he is involved in future Your choice. However...think inclusive not exclusive. Stuart - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Speech recognition with openoffice
This has been addressed multiple times by the development community. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=6104 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=70567 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=71542 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84997 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=116253 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69039 As a cross platform program supporting Linux, OS X and Windows environments--the UNO Accessibility API will remain the basis of support for AT. In short this is not an Apache Open Office (or a LibreOffice) responsibility, it falls to 3rd party extension developers. And it remains for external projects to implement AT for mobility impaired users who would benefit from speech recognition. Microsoft TSF is in legacy status. And currently no agreed standard exists for Speach recognition. Microsoft has gone its own way with UI and MSSR. And Nuance, with its current Dragon NS 12--Full Text Control function--looks to again have omitted Apache OpenOffice and TDF LibreOffice support for UNO API, and only supporting Microsoft productivity products. The full implementation of a native IAccessible2 (v1.3) standard based bridge for Windows OS now provides the AT hooks needed to implement Windows speech recognition to both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. That might be a Nuance DNS commercial module, or I'd lean more to an Extension for AOO/LibreOffice using the Python based Dragonfly speech recognition framework and a AOO/LibreOffice specific command-module for Microsoft WSR. Perhaps a cross over from the NVDA community. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Speech-recognition-with-openoffice-tp4659010p4659028.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)
Put it in the 'doesn't it figure' category, but can I solicit support for another build cycle for the all language feature freeze SNAPSHOT. There is a major flaw in the IAccessible2 code, i124095, that got patched by Mick Curran and Steve Yin with revision 1561587, and is available in en-US and de on the nightly Windows builds. Unfortunately, leaving the r1560772 SNAPSHOT will result is skewed testing results and opinions regards one of the major new features of the 4.1.0 release -- IAccessible2 support. It is painful but the SNAPSHOT really should be respun. Sorry. Stuart
RE: Web accessibility guidelines -- which ones?
Rob, *, ... However, there was a confusing (to me) number of authorities for accessibility standards. It is really pretty simple--WCAG 2.0 is the gold standard for Web content, and is applicable to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT). National and International Standards bodies are basing conformance against this standard. WCAG 2.0 A, AA, AAA ( also published as ISO/IEC 40500:2012 ) are functional levels of conformance with accessibility standards. http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag The reworked AOO Website should probably meet majority of WCAG v2.0 AA level requirements. And Apache OpenOffice as a document preparation and review program should also strive to meet WCAG level A AA conformance criteria for ICT (http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/ ). Fortunately much of that is accomplished for the website with valid HTML 5.0 and WAI-ARIA markup. While the introduction of IAccessible2 to supplement MSAA, and improvements in ATK and NSAccessibility move the office suite proper into a better compliance with some notable shortcommings. In the United States, the existing Accessibility Board US Section 508 requirements were loosely equivalent to WCAG v1, and are being rewritten to match functional levels of WCAG 2.0 A AA. The draft proposal for U.S. conformance can be found here: http://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/490/draft-rule.pdf Also, relevant parts of the European Union EN 301 549 ( http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01.00.00_20/en_301549v01c.pdf ) as work of the European Commision (EC) Mandate M 376 ( http://www.mandate376.eu/ ) are also based on WCAG v2.0 level A and AA. So running conformance validators for WCAG 2.0 A, AA, AAA is probably the correct choice in reworking the web site. Stuart - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Issue of Key events being handled twice, impacting accessibility with loss of object focus
The errant double handling of cursor key events is a problem for Accessibility support of assistive technologies where program focus is being shifted away from the active object; e.g. writer - selected text for formatting, calc - cell being formated, etc. Current issues in BZ: bug 122363 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122363 bug 123933 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123933 bug 123934 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123934 I had thought the issue was isolated to sidebar Gtk UI, but when Andre F. looked at it in May it was a broader issue. I don't think it ever got any further attention and has resurfaced during QA for 4.1.0. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Issue-of-Key-events-being-handled-twice-impacting-accessibility-with-loss-of-object-focus-tp4657441.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
ia2 branch sucessfully integrated with trunk as rev 1542312
Steve Yin's ia2 branch has been successfully merged into trunk as rev 1542312, nightly Windows buildbot build for 16 Nov #837 is functional with a native Windows bridge provided by IAccessible2. Please report any issues against AOO bugzilla issues i107914 and winA11y for any Windows accessibility issues. The only issue of note needing attention thusfar is i123643 that while one aspect has been corrected, is not yet an acceptable solution for the automated activation of Assistive Technology support on Windows -- (user can't turn off their AT and retain use of AOO without deletion of .xcu registry. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-branch-sucessfully-integrated-with-trunk-as-rev-1542312-tp4655865.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ia2 branch sucessfully integrated with trunk as rev 1542312
Sorry, those links are: i107914 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107914 winA11y https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121767 and i123643 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123643 Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-branch-sucessfully-integrated-with-trunk-as-rev-1542312-tp4655865p4655866.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support
Rob, Great news! Great blog post--subtle ;-) On a side bar, I see that Herbert and Oliver are hard at work correcting build issues for Steve's rev 1541847 integration done yesterday, getting the new IAccessible2 bridge to build cleanly on trunk is obviously now the priority. But when someone gets a chance there are several source files from the merge that will need to have ALv2 headers inserted--don't want the down stream folks to complain too loudly... Stuart Here is a working list of the ones I've reviewed, they've all still got the LGPLv3 headers: /aoo-trunk/main/editeng/inc/editeng/AccessibleSvxFindReplaceDialog.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/editeng/inc/editeng/AccessibleSvxFindReplaceDialog.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/MSAAService.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/MSAAService.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleExtendedAttributes.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleExtendedAttributes.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleGetAccFlowTo.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleGetAccFlowTo.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleGroupPosition.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleGroupPosition.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleTableSelection.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleTableSelection.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleTextSelection.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XAccessibleTextSelection.idl /aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XMSAAService.idl http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/offapi/com/sun/star/accessibility/XMSAAService.idl /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/accessibleruler.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/accessibleruler.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/vclxaccessibleheaderbar.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/vclxaccessibleheaderbar.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/vclxaccessibleheaderbaritem.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/inc/svtools/vclxaccessibleheaderbaritem.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/accessibleruler.cxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/accessibleruler.cxx /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/ruler.src http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/ruler.src /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/vclxaccessibleheaderbar.cxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/vclxaccessibleheaderbar.cxx /aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/vclxaccessibleheaderbaritem.cxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svtools/source/control/vclxaccessibleheaderbaritem.cxx /aoo-trunk/main/svx/source/inc/svxpixelctlaccessiblecontext.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svx/source/inc/svxpixelctlaccessiblecontext.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accfield.cxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accfield.cxx /aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accfield.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accfield.hxx /aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accnotexthyperlink.cxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accnotexthyperlink.cxx /aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accnotexthyperlink.hxx http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/core/access/accnotexthyperlink.hxx -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Apache-OpenOffice-4-1-to-Bring-Enhanced-Accessibility-Support-tp4655818p4655825.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal
Jean-Phillipe, Removal of earlier revisions of the ia2 branch may have corrupted the MSAA libraries. Have you unregistered UAccCOM.dll with a regsvr32.exe /U command, and have you tried re-registering the oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll? Additional notes in issue aoo#123640 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123640 . Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Accessibility-IA2-Integration-proposal-tp4655454p460.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ia2 Buildbot needs attention
Steve, Herbert We've got another hang-up on the ia2 branch--3 days with no build of r1539225. Looks like this might be related to removal of SeaMonkey http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/the-Seamonkey-has-left-the-building-tt4655461.html . From the ia2 297 build error logs: Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-Buildbot-needs-attention-tp4655304p4655528.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Re : [Call For QA Volunteers][Accessibility] AOO IAccessible2 testing work
@Jean-Philippe The ia2 branch builds are on the daily Buildbot, current is rev 1539225 http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/w7ia2/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe_1539225.exe . Issues are being recorded and worked withing AOO Bugzilla and for the branch are being tagged with an [ia2] in the subject line. We have a META bug 121767 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121767 open to link the QA and testing efforts both now and as the branch is merged into trunk for the 4.1.0 release. I could not locate you BZ account, so please add yourself to the META bug--you'll receive notification of any issues linked to it. Thanks for helping. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Call-For-QA-Volunteers-Accessibility-AOO-IAccessible2-testing-work-tp4654497p4655408.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
ia2 Buildbot needs attention
The ia2 branch buildbot hung on initial build of the rev 1538382 build today---Failed build.pl --all It needs some attention. Looked at the logs something in the ioctl. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-Buildbot-needs-attention-tp4655304.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ia2 Buildbot needs attention
Actually, looked a little further in the log, and this may need the dev's attention. Errors are in the most recently modified modules of the branch. Steve? -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/ia2-Buildbot-needs-attention-tp4655304p4655305.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- looking forware to an (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot build of r1527279
Steve, Steve Yin wrote The compile errors of the branch ia2 were fixed. And the branch was synchronized with the latest trunk. -- Best Regards, Steve Yin Wow, excellent that for your r1527279 build of the branch you've again synchronized with AOO trunk! With any luck we'll have a clean and current ia2 build to start IAccessibile2 QA with. So, we'll never get a buildbot run of r1526782, where the last nights attempt for 29 September again failed. Also, for the genearl QA and Devlopment community--is it too soon to start spinning Linux and OS X buildbot builds of the ia2 branch to start assessing impact implementing IAccessible2 framework may have on the other UAA dependent bridges--AT-SPI/ATK and NSAccessibility? Andrew R. -- anything to be done with the last failed r1526782 build to prepare for build against Steve's revised branch? Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Accessibility-Calc-and-Impress-got-complete-ia2-support-tp4653235p4653397.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot currently failing
Steve, Great news! Once we have a useable build... I just checked and the current r1526782 based ia2 branch is failing snapshot Buildbot for svn under cygwin So the (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot for the ia2 branch again needs some attention. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Accessibility-Calc-and-Impress-got-complete-ia2-support-tp4653235p4653267.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: IA2 Branch r1519381 IAccessible2 testing - failed Buildbot
Andrew, Steve Look to again have a clean and installable build of the IA2 branch -- r1519381 (wef 2013-09-02)-- to start working against. Thanks! Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/IA2-Branch-r1519381-IAccessible2-testing-failed-Buildbot-tp4652027p4652342.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
IA2 Branch r1519381 IAccessible2 testing - failed Buildbot
Steve Y. has merged the AOO TRUNK into the IA2 branch SVN as r1519381. Anxious to resume QA work on IAccessibile2 implementation. Unfortunately, while it looks like the IA2 Buildbot job picked up the change, it is failing with this error: 2 module(s): apr curl need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /cygdrive/e/slave14/aoo-w7ia2/build/main/curl ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /cygdrive/e/slave14/aoo-w7ia2/build/ext_libraries/apr This builbot needs a little TLC. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/IA2-Branch-r1519381-IAccessible2-testing-failed-Buildbot-tp4652027.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Bug 121014 - Fidelity issues
Do you like a title of Fidelity issues - incorrect rendering of ODF or MS formats for the task? From: Rainer Bielefeld rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:25 PM To: q...@openoffice.apache.org Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Bug 121014 - Fidelity issues Hi all, can someone please leve a comment in above mentioned bug and explain what Fidelity issues are? Thank you Rainer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Jamie, James Teh wrote I've since discovered that I can only reproduce this if I run Writer directly; i.e. via the icon named OpenOffice Writer in the Start Menu or by running swriter.exe. If I run the main OpenOffice application (i.e. the icon named OpenOffice in the Start Menu or soffice.exe), everything works as it should, even after I select to open a new text document. If I open a file associated with OpenOffice, everything works correctly also. Can you reproduce this by running Writer directly? Yes I get exactly the same result with this r1484083 based ia2 branch build. Except for the swriter.exe launcher, all the other components launch without issue as does the Start Center. And like you, when Writer is launched from the start center, it comes up cleanly. On an initial launch from the Writer shortcut, or if running the writer.exe directly--the swriter.exe, soffice.exe, and soffice.bin will all run--but the writer session hangs. Have to manually end the writer process from task manager. A relaunch of any OpenOffice launcher or the start center panel results in a recovery panel that will not complete. A reset of user profile (i.e. delete %AppData%\Openffice ) is the clean way to return function, as edit of the XML recovery stanzas in the OpenOffice registrymodifications.xcu configuration file is not worth the hassle. The user profile will rebuild to default, and just reactivate the Tools -- Options -- Accessibility -- Support assistive technology tools. This issue with the writer.exe launcher is not a problem on the AOO 4.0.0 release, so should resolve when Steve Y. rebases the ia2 branch. Meanwhile, best to simply not use the writer.exe launcher in working with the ia2 branch. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/IA2-branch-testing-of-r1484083-merege-with-trunk-tp4644296p4649355.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Updating BZ versions for next releases
All reasonable changes that should improve the QA process using BZ, especially the last confirmed on 4.0.0--just will need to be kept up going forward. My +1 ps.s thanks for asking this time ;-) p.p.s a special CC for you Rainer so you are aware, here is the thread link in Nabble http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Updating-BZ-versions-for-next-releases-tp4649357.html From: Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:38 AM ... I'd like to clean this up a little, as follows: 1) It is reasonable for someone to report a bug using 3.4.0, 3.4.1 or 4.0.0. None of these versions are end of life so they should be allowed for new bug reports. 2) I don't see the purpose of AOO PleaseHelp as a milestone version. Are we overloading meaning in this field? If we really need track issues that need help we should define a keyword for this. So I'm inclined to delete this milestone version number. 3) I'd also like to simplify the versions across the board to be just 3.4.1, 4.0.0, etc., without the AOO prefix. 4) For Last Confirmation On, I'd like to hide values except for 4.0. We should not be confirming bugs without testing on the most recent version. Sure, new bugs can set Version to 3.4.0 or 3.4.1, but confirmation should occur on 4.0. 5) I'll add a new Target Milestone of 4.0.1 and Version of 4.0.1-dev since it is likely that we will have a 4.0.1 release to address some of the defects that have been reported on 4.0.0. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, even if it is just a quick +1. I'll hold off making any of these changes until this time Thursday. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Jamie, I'll post an archived IA2 branch build of r1484083 up, and send you a PM for the ftp link a little latter. Getting the Buildbot to start running to completion, even if with the 1484083 revision would be useful. Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch back out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it. Having the buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start reviewing code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the impact on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA and role an event manipulations for ia2. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/IA2-branch-testing-of-r1484083-merege-with-trunk-tp4644296p4649156.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
janI wrote On 1 August 2013 17:49, V Stuart Foote lt; VStuart.Foote@ gt; wrote: Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch back out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it. Having the buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start reviewing code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the impact on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA and role and event manipulations for ia2. I would recommend we test IA2 in its branch, and once our QA people give it thumbs up, merge it back to trunk. I do the same with l10n40, and as far as know rejuvenate01 follow that same rules. Lets try to keep trunk free of major untested changes, that makes life easier for everybody. rgds jan I. Apologies, I was not clear. No intention to suggest that Steve Yin's work on the IA2 branch be merged back into the trunk at this time. Rather, that since he holds all work locally, and that the last posting to the ia2 SVN branch repo was when he'd last merged with trunk at r1484083 on May 18th, all work since then has not been published or reviewed by anyone other than Steve and his team in Beijing. Some of us are getting anxious since an implementation of IAccessible2 at 4.1.0 will necessitate a broad review of all the accessibility framework and will impact the UAA bridges supporting AT-SPI/ATK and NSAccessibility in addition to residuals of the Java Accessibility Bridge. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/IA2-branch-testing-of-r1484083-merege-with-trunk-tp4644296p4649161.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Support for Windows 7 (and 8) Jump list
Windows 7 (and now 8) have WPF support for Start menu and Task bar feature commonly know as Jump lists. They allow organization of frequent and recent tasks and documents into Jump lists associated with applications when pinned to the Start menu or the Task bar. Apache OpenOffice 4.0 does not implement dedicated support for this Windows specific GUI, yet Jump lists are a major UX aspect of the Windows 7 and now Windows 8 desktop. Default handling of AOO 4.0 components is no longer functioning--it worked through the 3.4.1 release. Have opened issue aoo#122809 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122809 for this enhancement. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Support-for-Windows-7-and-8-Jump-list-tp4648397.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)
+1 From: Jürgen Schmidt [jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:40 AM this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. ... [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)
+1 -- buildbot nightlys have been solid for some time. Still a number of resolved showstoppers ought to be verified, if anyone is inclined to help knock a few out: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=doremnamedcmd=4.0.0_release_blocker%2B%2C%20ResolvedBugzilla_restrictlogin=onsharer_id=251929list_id=72815remaction=run But that is a QA crossing t's and dotting i's effort. The issues are fixed. Otherwise mostly just polishing and Poodle tweaks for L10n support between now and a final release. Personally it's ready, let's get it out the door so we can move on to the good stuff coming at 4.1, e.g. ia2 branch integration for full IAccessible2 support. Juergen Schmidt wrote ... Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Release-OpenOffice-4-0-RC-tp4647589p4647630.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Blog about sidebar
Andre, Reads really well and I like your treatment of sidebar decks panels as alternatives to toolbars dialogs--you don't hammer the old GUI, just describe benefits of implementing the sidebar GUI. Only editorial feedback would be that in your We need your input segment, as a branding issue, you might prepend Apache to the last paragraph, i.e. to read Apache OpenOffice is... Stuart -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/Blog-about-sidebar-tp4644885p4644897.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Buildbot and Unofficial Developer Builds -- whats up?
Sorry for the cross post, but this rubs on both the QA and Dev sides of the project. So, I understand that we are mid-way through, a full regression testing of the 4.0 branch at Rev 1478648. But has the project actively stopped the building of dailys, and have the cognizant developers been asked to stop posting up their snapshot builds? If so, fine but would help to know that as it does impact testing of patches for those of us not rolling our own builds. Or is it just an unfortunate confluence of events between the build bots and the hand posted work for our outstanding AOO developers? In any case the BuildBot site is a mess ( http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ ) with even the Linux 64-bit now failing. And since the Development Snapshot Builds - full installation sets ( https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets ) are not labeled with the SVN revision it is frustrating to download and end-up not having a current build to test latest patches. Also, I haven't seen a viable build of the IA2 branch in over a month. Yes, there is the open issue https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122244 against the nightly build bot site. But nothing noteworthy being discussed there. I'm getting a little concerned, am I missing something? Stuart - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Start AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test - missing keyboard navigation and accelerators in test cases
Shenfeng, Yuzhen, Liuping, Rob Took a moment and browsed through the TestLink test cases for the Full Regression and earlier test plans against the trunk and sidebar branch. Unless I completely missed seeing it, one noticeable omission from the test cases in general is a lack keyboard based navigation and use of accelerators. Would expect that to be a significant component of functional testing. Only testing with mouse and menu based usage is unfortunately a way to miss the framework needed for accessibility and Assistive Technology support and impact all the supported OS builds. Not just the work on the IA2 branch. Stuart San Antonio, Texas From: Shenfeng Liu [liush...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:28 AM To: q...@openoffice.apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Start AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test Yu Zhen Liu Ping, Thanks very much for your help to prepare for the test guidance! Now we have the latest dev snapshot build here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets And we have the AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test test plan created in Testlink: http://aootesting.adfinis-sygroup.org/index.php . And we have test guidance here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Full+Regression+Test+Guidance and here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Defect+Verification+Guidance So I suggest we start the AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test now ! The test focus of this test circle include the following: (1) Basic Function Verification (2) MS Interoperability Test (3) 2nd phase of sidebar testing (4) Defect verification We will add more test cases (e.g. the Upgrade Check) in later circle. We already got some volunteers replied in mail list. Thanks very much! Will assign test cases in Testlink and send mail to you one by one. And looking forward more people to join and help the testing! - Shenfeng (Simon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache Open Office IAccessible2 QA ia2 branch builds
Jamie, Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:21:02 +1000 From: James Teh ja...@nvaccess.orgmailto:ja...@nvaccess.org To: NVDA screen reader development Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Apache Open Office IAccessible2 QA ia2 branch builds Hi Stuart, Thanks for letting us know. Initial testing is very promising. I'm working on a few tweaks to get NVDA to use some of its custom code for symphony to allow for reporting of formatting, etc. (Unfortunately, Symphony's IA2 implementation doesn't follow the IA2 standard in some areas, though we've already worked around this.) Yes I've spent a bit more time with it, and Steve Yin's folks have done a superb job so far. I am concerned though that you see non-standard IA2, because while the ia2 Branch builds thus far have been for Windows testing, assume that other accessibility components of the Symphony contributed code will also be merged in some fashion. Assume you'd like things to be IAccessible2 1.2.1 and better draft 1.3 compliant. But that will mean some work under the hood to move the Symphony ia2 code base onto the emerging standards for IAccessible2. Obviously lots of work, and at this point Steve Yin characterizes the work on IAccessible2 at only 5% complete-so for getting collaboration on standards compliance in place--now is the best time. Also, for the other bridges--ATK/AT-SPI and NSAccessible--and their mappings of the existing UNO Accessibility API, this ongoing work on a native Windows bridge offers an opportunity to clean up and redefine incomplete or inadequate roles and mappings to bring all the APIs equivalent correcting any omissions. And I'd hope that once started, the whole UNO Accessibility API could ultimately be systematically extended to support needs of all the ISO/IEC 13066-1 parts for improving AT. I found and read the mailing list thread about this support and saw your question about bug tracking, but there hasn't been a response yet. I'll check the thread from time to time, but it'd be great if you could let us know once a decision has been made about bug tracking. I'm hoping for Bugzilla, as this makes for better tracking and I'd rather not be swamped by the general ooo-dev list. :) Will keep an eye out for response. Will post back to the nvda-dev forum any guidance. Stuart Quick refs: AOO 4.0 IAccessible2 - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+IAccessible2 Why IAccessible2 - http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Why_IAccessibile2
RE: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work
Steve, Nothing substantive yet in working through the Windows build of the ia2 branch. Should we build against Linux and OSX and be testing for impact on ATK/AT-SPI and NSAccessibility User Interface? And, with QA and testing of the ia2 branch proceeding what mechanism should folks use for reporting and tracking issues on the ia2 branch builds? Should we stay with PM and ML exchanges, or start to use Bugzilla at issues.apache.org/ooo? I believe that starting with BZ tracking now provides continuity upon merge of branch back into AOO4.00. And, if into Bugzilla, would suggest a note in your AOO 4.0 IAccessible2 release planning wiki that QA participants and casual users report in Bugzilla categorized for consistency as against: Product: UI Component: AccessBridge Version: AOO4.00-dev Stuart =-=-= Sidebar--the legacy IAccessible2 enhancement bug could probably be revised https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107914 And here is a generic BZ search for accessibility issues https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedresolution=---short_desc=msaa%20accessible%20iaccessible%20iaccessible2%20accessibilityshort_desc_type=anywordssubstrorder=component%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severityquery_based_on=
RE: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work
From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM And here is a generic BZ search for accessibility issues https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedresolution=---short_desc=msaa%20accessible%20iaccessible%20iaccessible2%20accessibilityshort_desc_type=anywordssubstrorder=component%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severityquery_based_on= Sorry, here is a slightly more complete retrieval adding the old ACC: keyword https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedlist_id=45172short_desc=ACC%3A%20msaa%20accessible%20iaccessible%20iaccessible2%20accessibilityshort_desc_type=anywordssubstrresolution=---
RE: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work
From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 8:25 PM Going to try removing JRE 1.7u11 and backing up to 1.6u39 to see if that has an impact, but if IAccessibile2 is functional--should not need a JRE, right? So an uninstall of JRE 1.7u11 did set everything right with this initial build of the ia2 branch, a big thanks Ariel for building and posting to get the QA effort rolling. And congratulations to Steve and all the ia2 branch team for some very solid work on the merge! With no JRE the, Open Accessibility (A11y) group's AccProbe Eclipse RCP can not run, but comfortable to say the \winaccessibility IAccessible2 implementation is already matching support Symphony 3.0.1 fix pack 2 for basic MSAA/IAccessible IAccessible2 roles. Folks doing QA will need to use AccProbe so should go ahead and install either JRE 1.6u39 or JRE 1.7u13, but Java Access Bridge is NOT a requirement for full function of the ia2 branch. Since I still fight with LibreOffice and the JAB I went with the JRE 1.6u39 install--the JRE 1.7 builds with JAB 2.0.3 are still a problem ( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121510 ) Only a couple of hours into the interface and working out the testing tools--the a11y project's AccProbe is going to need some work, but it or something similar is necessary for working on correctness of IAccessibility2 events and roles. I have to dig deeper, but I do think there are some pretty big holes in what is instrumented. At the same time, I found Microsofts AccEvent and especially the Inspect tools from the Windows 8 SDK very helpful. I started leaving the Inspect panel running minimized and popping it open to review non-sounding actions in the GUI. And if working with a screen reader, folks should note that when using a current release of NVDA (2012.3.1) the NV Access developers have put a lot of effort into the project to read UI Automation and MSAA events--so it is not purely dependent on IAccessible2 rendering of UNO Accessibility API roles and events for the user interface. Its a hybrid, but it is already working as well with the ia2 branch as with the last Symphony builds and I think on a par with GNOME Orca for LibreOffice, I don't have access to JAWS but suspect there will be similar improvements in fidelity over Java Access Bridge based Accessibility and AT support there as well.
RE: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work
Steve, Ariel Installed Ariel's posted ia2 branch build Run as Administrator, and also captured a verbose install log. AOO350m1(Build:9611) - Rev. 1441343 2013-02-04 20:38:26 -0300 (lun, 04 feb 2013) Windows 7 sp1 64-bit Oracle Java JRE 1.7u11 Verified the UaccCOM.dll is registered at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Components\B4197A678F2F566AC9CE342EB80665B2 as 346FD3847C37D3440BBCC0FF600F4DEA with a string value of C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache OpenOffice 3\program\UAccCOM.dll However, when running the ia2 branch as a user in the Administrators group, and monitoring with a11y's AccProbe Eclipse RCP probe as well as the MS AccEvent I am not seeing IAccessible2 events, only MSAA. The UI Access mode of AccEvent listings are also very sparse. Kind of interesting is that AccProbe shows all only a few of the msaa components howFound from Navigating the Tree--with most howFound values of AtPoint:java.awt.Point from browsing the GUI. No event tracking in the probes--and it follows that NVDA is mute. Am I missing something? Ariel on your Windows box are you running an Oracle 7 JRE, or Just the JDK 6 you built against? Going to try removing JRE 1.7u11 and backing up to 1.6u39 to see if that has an impact, but if IAccessibile2 is functional--should not need a JRE, right? Stuart
Re: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work
Steve, Great work! Hope to be able to get to work on QA of the ia2 branch soon. From: Steve Yin [mailto:steve.yin@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 7:10 PM snip Yes, the branch ia2 is ready for QA now. The earlier the power users involve, the faster project progress we can expect. Since we are a while out from a nightly build incorporating the ia2 branch, we'll need to roll our own. Any particular configuration controls you'd recommend to have in place for QA for builds of the ia2 branch for Windows OS? Something similar to the Software requirements you'd posted for doing a Symphony build (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_build_Symphony%27s_source_code#Building_Symphony_on_Windows) Any chance of having Oliver-orw at apache.org--or one of your IBM Beijing team, cobble together and post a Windows build of the ia2 branch to standardize any QA work. Finally, noted your exchange with Simon Liu From: Steve Yin [mailto:steve.yin@gmail.com] Sent: Friday Jan 25, 2013 6:03 AM snip For the AOO IAccessible2 testing tools, I think a screen reader which can support IA2 is required. We recommand JAWS for IA2 testing. And for the IA2 attributes or events information testing, AccProbe is preferred. Of course those only cover Linux testing. For IAccessibility2 testing of ia2 in Windows, the QA and testers would probably need Inspect.exe and AccEvent.exe from the Microsoft Windows SDK as those are the best tools for monitoring MSAA/IAccessible and UI Automation. Also, in addition to JAWS, a current build of NVDA would be helpful. And I'm sure Jamie Teh at NV Access has some solid Python utilities for use with exposing events in Windows Stuart Foote
No Accessibility API support with the Java SE 7 Accessibility API, problem with JAB 2.0.3 and passing event focus
Have an open, but unconfirmed, bug against Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121510 Can confirm it, but unable to edit the Bugzilla status. Also, I just verified it remains an issue with the 4.0 Developer builds, r1400866 Probably related to Oracle's work on: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7166956 Impact is that Apache OpenOffice users must continue to use a Java SE 6 JRE and JAB v2.0.2 to have any usable Assistive Technology support. With Java SE 6 public support ending, this likely will become an issue until the IBM Symphony \winaccessibility contribution can be integrated.
