Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Hi Dave, Am 07.04.23 um 16:33 schrieb Dave Fisher: > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2023, at 7:24 AM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >>> Am 05.04.23 um 07:48 schrieb Peter kovacs: >>> Hi Matthias, >>> >>> What do you suggest? >>> I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status >>> quo is that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity >>> requirement. >> I clearly see a message to all of our PMC members, that are inactive for >> years (without notifying the PMC), not subscribed to private@ or working >> for a company that probably forbids them to contribute to our project to >> take action! >> >> The reason for our "Status Quo" is just that nobody wanted to invest the >> time. >> >> But let's take that discussion to private@. > 1. I view this part as a message to PMCs where there are not enough active > PMC members. We have enough active members. > > 2. My personal opinion is that inactive PMC members are not a problem. My personal opinion is that we have "inactive" PMC members that ARE a problem. ;-) > > 3. PMC members energy would be better spent finding new committers and > promoting committers to the PMC. That *would* definitely be better, yes. > > It’s time to work on the board report. I’ll include a summary activity review > of the PMC members. Great idea! I already changed little parts of the Board Report, but other members should also have a look. Regards, Matthias > > Best, > Dave >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >>> All the best >>> Peter >>> >>> Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel >>> : Hi All, time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? Regards, Matthias Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: > Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, > > The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few > things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, > across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this > is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. > > The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the > oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members > are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the > project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a > way that serves the developers and users of the project. > > The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person > who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It > is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the > Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US > corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If > you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them > any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that > that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer > with a few extra duties. > > Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one > vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only > your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of > the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or > any other voice in the project. > > Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC > members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be > your most important responsibility to the project, as succession > planning is the path to sustainability. > > Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to > your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. > The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just > one member. > > Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If > you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no > longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should > resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and > ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to > your private list by looking at your PMC roster at > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) > next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a > moment to contact them with this information. > > Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for > keeping our projects healthy. > > Rich, for The Board of Directors > > [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members > > >
Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2023, at 7:24 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Peter, > >> Am 05.04.23 um 07:48 schrieb Peter kovacs: >> Hi Matthias, >> >> What do you suggest? >> I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status quo >> is that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity >> requirement. > > I clearly see a message to all of our PMC members, that are inactive for > years (without notifying the PMC), not subscribed to private@ or working > for a company that probably forbids them to contribute to our project to > take action! > > The reason for our "Status Quo" is just that nobody wanted to invest the > time. > > But let's take that discussion to private@. 1. I view this part as a message to PMCs where there are not enough active PMC members. We have enough active members. 2. My personal opinion is that inactive PMC members are not a problem. 3. PMC members energy would be better spent finding new committers and promoting committers to the PMC. It’s time to work on the board report. I’ll include a summary activity review of the PMC members. Best, Dave > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >> All the best >> Peter >> >> Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel >> : >>> Hi All, >>> >>> time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>>Matthias >>> >>> Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a way that serves the developers and users of the project. The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer with a few extra duties. Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or any other voice in the project. Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be your most important responsibility to the project, as succession planning is the path to sustainability. Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just one member. Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to your private list by looking at your PMC roster at https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a moment to contact them with this information. Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for keeping our projects healthy. Rich, for The Board of Directors [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Hi Peter, Am 05.04.23 um 07:48 schrieb Peter kovacs: > Hi Matthias, > > What do you suggest? > I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status quo > is that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity > requirement. I clearly see a message to all of our PMC members, that are inactive for years (without notifying the PMC), not subscribed to private@ or working for a company that probably forbids them to contribute to our project to take action! The reason for our "Status Quo" is just that nobody wanted to invest the time. But let's take that discussion to private@. Regards, Matthias > > All the best > Peter > > Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel > : >> Hi All, >> >> time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: >>> Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, >>> >>> The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few >>> things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, >>> across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this >>> is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. >>> >>> The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the >>> oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members >>> are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the >>> project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a >>> way that serves the developers and users of the project. >>> >>> The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person >>> who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It >>> is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the >>> Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US >>> corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If >>> you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them >>> any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that >>> that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer >>> with a few extra duties. >>> >>> Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one >>> vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only >>> your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of >>> the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or >>> any other voice in the project. >>> >>> Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC >>> members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be >>> your most important responsibility to the project, as succession >>> planning is the path to sustainability. >>> >>> Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to >>> your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. >>> The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just >>> one member. >>> >>> Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If >>> you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no >>> longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should >>> resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and >>> ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to >>> your private list by looking at your PMC roster at >>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) >>> next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a >>> moment to contact them with this information. >>> >>> Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for >>> keeping our projects healthy. >>> >>> Rich, for The Board of Directors >>> >>> [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Am 05.04.23 um 07:48 schrieb Peter kovacs: What do you suggest? I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status quo is that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity requirement. I also think that this is a step that should be discussed separately. And then within the PMC. Marcus Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel : Hi All, time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? Regards, Matthias Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a way that serves the developers and users of the project. The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer with a few extra duties. Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or any other voice in the project. Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be your most important responsibility to the project, as succession planning is the path to sustainability. Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just one member. Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to your private list by looking at your PMC roster at https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a moment to contact them with this information. Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for keeping our projects healthy. Rich, for The Board of Directors [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Ciao Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Hi Matthias, What do you suggest? I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status quo is that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity requirement. All the best Peter Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel : >Hi All, > >time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? > >Regards, > > Matthias > >Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: >> Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, >> >> The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few >> things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, >> across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this >> is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. >> >> The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the >> oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members >> are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the >> project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a >> way that serves the developers and users of the project. >> >> The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person >> who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It >> is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the >> Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US >> corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If >> you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them >> any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that >> that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer >> with a few extra duties. >> >> Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one >> vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only >> your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of >> the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or >> any other voice in the project. >> >> Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC >> members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be >> your most important responsibility to the project, as succession >> planning is the path to sustainability. >> >> Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to >> your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. >> The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just >> one member. >> >> Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If >> you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no >> longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should >> resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and >> ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to >> your private list by looking at your PMC roster at >> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) >> next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a >> moment to contact them with this information. >> >> Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for >> keeping our projects healthy. >> >> Rich, for The Board of Directors >> >> [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >
Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members
Hi All, time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members? Regards, Matthias Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen: > Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, > > The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few > things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, > across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this > is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. > > The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the > oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members > are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the > project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a > way that serves the developers and users of the project. > > The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person > who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It > is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the > Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US > corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If > you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them > any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that > that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer > with a few extra duties. > > Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one > vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only > your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of > the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or > any other voice in the project. > > Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC > members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be > your most important responsibility to the project, as succession > planning is the path to sustainability. > > Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to > your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. > The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just > one member. > > Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If > you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no > longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should > resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and > ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to > your private list by looking at your PMC roster at > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) > next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a > moment to contact them with this information. > > Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for > keeping our projects healthy. > > Rich, for The Board of Directors > > [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
A Message from the Board to PMC members
Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members, The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members, across the Foundation, over the past few years. Please note that this is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out. The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a way that serves the developers and users of the project. The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It is the secretary for the project, and the project’s ambassador to the Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer with a few extra duties. Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or any other voice in the project. Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be your most important responsibility to the project, as succession planning is the path to sustainability. Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond. The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just one member. Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to your private list by looking at your PMC roster at https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/ Names with an asterisk (*) next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a moment to contact them with this information. Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for keeping our projects healthy. Rich, for The Board of Directors [1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org