Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

In the german forum there is this question 
(http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444) and unfortunately I 
don't know anything about MacOS.


Jörg


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Marcus]

Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?


has somebody already installed the new version? And tested AOO on this?


In the german forum there is this question 
(http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444) and unfortunately I 
don't know anything about MacOS.


As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give 
it a try.


Marcus


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus,

Am 20.11.20 um 23:33 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>
> has somebody already installed the new version? And tested AOO on this?

We have one user confirming that it runs on the released version after
having trouble during the beta phase:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402

Matthias

>
>> In the german forum there is this question
>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444) and
>> unfortunately I don't know anything about MacOS.
>
> As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give
> it a try.
>
> Marcus
>
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RE: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] 
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:41 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> Am 20.11.20 um 23:33 schrieb Marcus:
> > Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >> Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> >
> > has somebody already installed the new version? And tested 
> AOO on this?
> 
> We have one user confirming that it runs on the released version after
> having trouble during the beta phase:
> 
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402
> 
> ...
> As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give
> it a try.
>
> Marcus

I suppose it is correct to assume that "the last beta version" is identical to 
the release version, especially since the test mentioned in 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402 took place on November 14th, 
but the release date was already on November 10th.

I will therefore post in the forum the information that AOO also works under 
Big Sur.


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Peter Kovacs]

sry, for the late reply.

On 21.11.20 08:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To:dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

Hi Marcus,

Am 20.11.20 um 23:33 schrieb Marcus:

Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

has somebody already installed the new version? And tested

AOO on this?

We have one user confirming that it runs on the released version after
having trouble during the beta phase:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402

...
As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give
it a try.

Marcus

I suppose it is correct to assume that "the last beta version" is identical to 
the release version, especially since the test mentioned 
inhttps://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402  took place on November 14th, but the 
release date was already on November 10th.

I will therefore post in the forum the information that AOO also works under 
Big Sur.


We had also one report on Facebook, with crashes at startup. But he said 
the crash stopped suddenly a view days ago. He did not provide further 
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RE: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:21 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

> We had also one report on Facebook, with crashes at startup. 
> But he said 
> the crash stopped suddenly a view days ago. He did not 
> provide further 
> information.

I'm afraid that the pure information that AOO 4.1.8 works under Big Sur doesn't 
help the user much anyway, because he already has AOO 4.1.8 installed and it 
won't start and so he asks if it is compatible.
The user's difficulties might have something to do with an error during 
installation or setup, but what exactly I cannot say.

I myself can't help because I don't know anything about MacOS and above all I 
don't have an Apple computer and therefore I can't test it.



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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Peter,

Am 21.11.20 um 09:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> sry, for the late reply.
>
> On 21.11.20 08:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:41 PM
>>> To:dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>
>>> Am 20.11.20 um 23:33 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>>> Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>> has somebody already installed the new version? And tested
>>> AOO on this?
>>>
>>> We have one user confirming that it runs on the released version after
>>> having trouble during the beta phase:
>>>
>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402
>>>
>>> ...
>>> As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give
>>> it a try.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>> I suppose it is correct to assume that "the last beta version" is
>> identical to the release version, especially since the test mentioned
>> inhttps://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128402  took place on
>> November 14th, but the release date was already on November 10th.
>>
>> I will therefore post in the forum the information that AOO also
>> works under Big Sur.
>
> We had also one report on Facebook, with crashes at startup. But he
> said the crash stopped suddenly a view days ago. He did not provide
> further information.
>
Often it helps to use "Force Quit" (link is German):

https://support.apple.com/de-de/HT201276

If AOO hangs after the first installation, esp. the German version, I
have a slight idea what is causing the problem.

Matthias

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

It worked on a Big Sur VM I spun up.

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 19.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> 
> has somebody already installed the new version? And tested AOO on this?
> 
>> In the german forum there is this question 
>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444) and unfortunately 
>> I don't know anything about MacOS.
> 
> As alternative the user could download the instaall file and just give it a 
> try.
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Bidouille]

We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open OOXML documents
3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with Big Sur.


- Mail original -
> De: "Bidouille" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > In the german forum there is this question
> > (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
> Could you translate in english the problem?
> 
> On the french forum, we have a question too.
> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
> But the user has not again answered to this solution.

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 26.11.20 um 11:56 schrieb Bidouille:
> We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open OOXML 
> documents
> 3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with Big Sur.

Do we have a test document?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>
> - Mail original -
>> De: "Bidouille" 
>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In the german forum there is this question
>>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
>> Could you translate in english the problem?
>>
>> On the french forum, we have a question too.
>> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
>> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
>> But the user has not again answered to this solution.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Bidouille]

Hello Mathias,

I ask it to OP and wait.
Once provided, I will open a report on Bugzilla

- Mail original -
> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2020 12:10:59
> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Am 26.11.20 um 11:56 schrieb Bidouille:
> > We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open
> > OOXML documents
> > 3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with
> > Big Sur.
> 
> Do we have a test document?
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
> >
> >
> > - Mail original -
> >> De: "Bidouille" 
> >> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
> >> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> In the german forum there is this question
> >>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
> >> Could you translate in english the problem?
> >>
> >> On the french forum, we have a question too.
> >> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
> >> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
> >> But the user has not again answered to this solution.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 26.11.20 um 15:49 schrieb Bidouille:
> Hello Mathias,
>
> I ask it to OP and wait.
> Once provided, I will open a report on Bugzilla

Thanks!

I think we have "macOS 11.0" now in Bugzilla.
I assume this is not reproducible with older macOS?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> - Mail original -
>> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Envoyé: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2020 12:10:59
>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 26.11.20 um 11:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>>> We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open
>>> OOXML documents
>>> 3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with
>>> Big Sur.
>> Do we have a test document?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Mail original -
>>>> De: "Bidouille" 
>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
>>>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the german forum there is this question
>>>>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
>>>> Could you translate in english the problem?
>>>>
>>>> On the french forum, we have a question too.
>>>> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
>>>> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
>>>> But the user has not again answered to this solution.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

I cannot recreate this on Catalina (10.15.7)

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Am 26.11.20 um 15:49 schrieb Bidouille:
>> Hello Mathias,
>> 
>> I ask it to OP and wait.
>> Once provided, I will open a report on Bugzilla
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I think we have "macOS 11.0" now in Bugzilla.
> I assume this is not reproducible with older macOS?
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> - Mail original -
>>> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Envoyé: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2020 12:10:59
>>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am 26.11.20 um 11:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>>>> We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open
>>>> OOXML documents
>>>> 3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with
>>>> Big Sur.
>>> Do we have a test document?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>Matthias
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Mail original -
>>>>> De: "Bidouille" 
>>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
>>>>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In the german forum there is this question
>>>>>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
>>>>> Could you translate in english the problem?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the french forum, we have a question too.
>>>>> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
>>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
>>>>> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
>>>>> But the user has not again answered to this solution.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 27.11.20 um 15:41 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> I cannot recreate this on Catalina (10.15.7)

Seems to be "Big Sur" only, see:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128415

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 26.11.20 um 15:49 schrieb Bidouille:
>>> Hello Mathias,
>>>
>>> I ask it to OP and wait.
>>> Once provided, I will open a report on Bugzilla
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I think we have "macOS 11.0" now in Bugzilla.
>> I assume this is not reproducible with older macOS?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Envoyé: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2020 12:10:59
>>>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Am 26.11.20 um 11:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>>>>> We have confirmation on french forum that AOO 4.1.8 can not open
>>>>> OOXML documents
>>>>> 3 users confirms this crash when opening DOCX, XLSX and PPTX with
>>>>> Big Sur.
>>>> Do we have a test document?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Matthias
>>>>
>>>>> - Mail original -
>>>>>> De: "Bidouille" 
>>>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Novembre 2020 16:12:26
>>>>>> Objet: Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the german forum there is this question
>>>>>>> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=292444#p292444)
>>>>>> Could you translate in english the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the french forum, we have a question too.
>>>>>> A crash under 4.1.8 when opening DOCX or XSLSX:
>>>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=63176
>>>>>> We have adviced to resetting the user profile.
>>>>>> But the user has not again answered to this solution.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Bidouille]

> Seems to be "Big Sur" only, see:
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128415

Think that not a regression because end users had old build and same issue.
Reproduced too with 4.1.3 and 4.1.7.

Very annoying for MacOS users if update to Big Sur.

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

Which is why we need to get 4.2.0 out asap :/

> On Nov 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Seems to be "Big Sur" only, see:
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128415
> 
> Think that not a regression because end users had old build and same issue.
> Reproduced too with 4.1.3 and 4.1.7.
> 
> Very annoying for MacOS users if update to Big Sur.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Fernando Cassia]

On 28/11/2020, Bidouille  wrote:
>
>> Seems to be "Big Sur" only, see:
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128415

This is the third piece of open source software that worked on
Catalina but was suddenly broken on BigSur: VirtualBox 6.1 and
Netbeans also had to be modified to address api changes in Big Sur.

FC

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Bidouille]

> I am guessing this is due to the extremely old version of the SDK we
> have to use for the 4.1.x series due to Quicktime.
> 
> I may create a quick 4.2.0 dev/test release for macOS

Thanks Jim
Could you announce this on mailing list when this build will be available?

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 29.11.20 um 11:24 schrieb Bidouille:
>
>
>> I am guessing this is due to the extremely old version of the SDK we
>> have to use for the 4.1.x series due to Quicktime.

Didn't we remove Quicktime in 4.1.8?

>>
>> I may create a quick 4.2.0 dev/test release for macOS

That's always welcome, maybe that fixes also the long standing problem
with Extension Manager on macOS?

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127154

Regards,

   Matthias

> Thanks Jim
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
> 
>> Which is why we need to get 4.2.0 out asap :/
> 
> Any news?
> TDF blog publish on this bug: https://tinyurl.com/y6zjvp2j
> Bad advice :-(

I love that group. They are like immature kids. Or bitter ex-boy/girl-friends.

What's next? Sticking out their tongues and going "Nyah Nyah Nyah! Apache 
OpenOffice
are a bunch of poopie-heads!" ? :)
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Peter Kovacs]

On 11.12.20 12:47, Jim Jagielski wrote:

On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Bidouille  wrote:


Which is why we need to get 4.2.0 out asap :/

Any news?
TDF blog publish on this bug: https://tinyurl.com/y6zjvp2j
Bad advice :-(

I love that group. They are like immature kids. Or bitter ex-boy/girl-friends.

I told them they should do their own marketing. Just ignore it.


What's next? Sticking out their tongues and going "Nyah Nyah Nyah! Apache 
OpenOffice
are a bunch of poopie-heads!" ? :)


Hehe, I do believe some think that way. And that for quite soime time now.

However do you have any Idea by now what goes wrong?
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

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> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11.12.20 12:47, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
>>> 
 Which is why we need to get 4.2.0 out asap :/
>>> Any news?
>>> TDF blog publish on this bug: https://tinyurl.com/y6zjvp2j
>>> Bad advice :-(
>> I love that group. They are like immature kids. Or bitter 
>> ex-boy/girl-friends.
> I told them they should do their own marketing. Just ignore it.
>> 
>> What's next? Sticking out their tongues and going "Nyah Nyah Nyah! Apache 
>> OpenOffice
>> are a bunch of poopie-heads!" ? :)
> 
> Hehe, I do believe some think that way. And that for quite soime time now.
> 
> However do you have any Idea by now what goes wrong?

That's what I've been working on w/ the various UNO fixes to macOS. My hope is
to have a test 4.2.0-dev build for someone w/ Big Sur to test on...

Who is running Big Sur?


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

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> Who is running Big Sur?
We have end users on french forum.
Able (and motivated) to test it soon as possible :)

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

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I'm building a dev version of 4.2.0 w/ lang fr as we speak

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
> 
>> Who is running Big Sur?
> We have end users on french forum.
> Able (and motivated) to test it soon as possible :)
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

I have an en-US and fr LANG test builds of AOO 4.2.0 available via:

http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/ 


Also, these include my fork of beanshell (https://github.com/jimjag/beanshell2 
)

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
> I'm building a dev version of 4.2.0 w/ lang fr as we speak
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
>> 
>>> Who is running Big Sur?
>> We have end users on french forum.
>> Able (and motivated) to test it soon as possible :)
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

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Hi Jim,

Am 11.12.20 um 12:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
>>
>>> Which is why we need to get 4.2.0 out asap :/
>> Any news?
>> TDF blog publish on this bug: https://tinyurl.com/y6zjvp2j
>> Bad advice :-(
> I love that group. They are like immature kids. Or bitter ex-boy/girl-friends.
>
> What's next? Sticking out their tongues and going "Nyah Nyah Nyah! Apache 
> OpenOffice
> are a bunch of poopie-heads!" ? :)

I am sure they already did...

At least that is what I expect from these people! ;-)

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.

The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 11.12.20 um 15:44 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> I have an en-US and fr LANG test builds of AOO 4.2.0 available via:
>
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/ 
> 
>
> Also, these include my fork of beanshell 
> (https://github.com/jimjag/beanshell2 )
>
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>>
>> I'm building a dev version of 4.2.0 w/ lang fr as we speak
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
>>>
 Who is running Big Sur?
>>> We have end users on french forum.
>>> Able (and motivated) to test it soon as possible :)
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Bidouille]

> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
Confirmed, a french user reports no problem too with this 4.2.0-dev.

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 12.12.20 um 14:06 schrieb Bidouille:
>> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
> Confirmed, a french user reports no problem too with this 4.2.0-dev.

What I recognized with Jim's build:

AOO has no language for spellcheck enabled. I once had this issue on
OS/2 and the cause was that hunspell was missing.

Is hunspell not installed by default on Big Sur and if not, how can I
install it?

(Sorry, I am not a mac user...)

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
> 
> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
> 

Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates (main 
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

On 14.12.2020 13:33, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
>> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
>>
>> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
>> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
>>
> Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates (main 
> level)

Ah, o.k. that might explain this. Got a minute so tried to test 4.2 beta w.r.t. 
issue 127966  [1]
and was not able to get ooRexx functional. When trying to register the oxt 
package manually with
unopkg, I got this error message:

wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" add 
-f --shared 
/Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
  Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
  Reason: image not found

---rony

[1] MacOS: Current directory wrongly set to root directory "/" for scripts:

Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

Ahh. that's good info. There is something somewhere that still expects that 
COMID on macOS
is s5abi or, at least, !=gcc3. That gives me some hint to what to look for.

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)  
> wrote:
> 
> On 14.12.2020 13:33, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> 
>>> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
>>> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
>>> 
>>> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
>>> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
>>> 
>> Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates 
>> (main level)
> 
> Ah, o.k. that might explain this. Got a minute so tried to test 4.2 beta 
> w.r.t. issue 127966  [1]
> and was not able to get ooRexx functional. When trying to register the oxt 
> package manually with
> unopkg, I got this error message:
> 
>wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" 
> add -f --shared 
> /Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
>dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
>  Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
>  Reason: image not found
> 
> ---rony
> 
> [1] MacOS: Current directory wrongly set to root directory "/" for scripts:
> 
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

Can you try with:

http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
> Ahh. that's good info. There is something somewhere that still expects that 
> COMID on macOS
> is s5abi or, at least, !=gcc3. That gives me some hint to what to look for.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 14.12.2020 13:33, Jim Jagielski wrote:
 On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
 However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
 
 The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
 seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
 
>>> Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates 
>>> (main level)
>> 
>> Ah, o.k. that might explain this. Got a minute so tried to test 4.2 beta 
>> w.r.t. issue 127966  [1]
>> and was not able to get ooRexx functional. When trying to register the oxt 
>> package manually with
>> unopkg, I got this error message:
>> 
>>   wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" 
>> add -f --shared 
>> /Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
>>   dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
>> Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
>> Reason: image not found
>> 
>> ---rony
>> 
>> [1] MacOS: Current directory wrongly set to root directory "/" for scripts:
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
> 
> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
> 

Can you Help->Check For Updates? I always get a

Checking for an update failed.

So I'm wondering if the 2 are related?


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 18.12.20 um 21:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
>> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
>>
>> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
>> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
>>
> Can you Help->Check For Updates? I always get a
>
> Checking for an update failed.

Yes, update check was broken for me with your latest version.

Haven't checked earlier versions. on mac.

>
> So I'm wondering if the 2 are related?
Maybe, but Extension Manager is also somehow broken on Windows and
update check is working.
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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

On 18.12.2020 16:25, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Can you try with:
>
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

Same error:

wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" add 
-f --shared 
/Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
  dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
Reason: image not found

---rony


On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)  
wrote:

... cut ...

>>> On 14.12.2020 13:33, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
>
> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
>
 Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates 
 (main level)
>>> Ah, o.k. that might explain this. Got a minute so tried to test 4.2 beta 
>>> w.r.t. issue 127966  [1]
>>> and was not able to get ooRexx functional. When trying to register the oxt 
>>> package manually with
>>> unopkg, I got this error message:
>>>
>>>   wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" 
>>> add -f --shared 
>>> /Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
>>>   dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
>>> Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
>>> Reason: image not found
>>>
>>> ---rony
>>>
>>> [1] MacOS: Current directory wrongly set to root directory "/" for scripts:
>>> 
>>>

Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

[Jim Jagielski]

OK, thx. it seems that the switch from COMID s5abi to gcc3 is a LOT more 
fragile than it should be.

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)  
> wrote:
> 
> On 18.12.2020 16:25, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> Can you try with:
>> 
>>http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> 
> Same error:
> 
>wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" 
> add -f --shared 
> /Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
>  dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
>Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
>Reason: image not found
> 
> ---rony
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)  
> wrote:
> 
> ... cut ...
> 
 On 14.12.2020 13:33, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Matthias Seidel 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> I have been able to open docx with your version (en-US) on Big Sur.
>> However, I am not sure if this bug ever applied to 4.2.x.
>> 
>> The Extension Manager is still broken. But similar behavior is to be
>> seen in 4.2.x on Windows, so the UNO problem is not mac specific.
>> 
> Yes... I am also looking into issues w/ 4.2.0-dev and check for updates 
> (main level)
 Ah, o.k. that might explain this. Got a minute so tried to test 4.2 beta 
 w.r.t. issue 127966  [1]
 and was not able to get ooRexx functional. When trying to register the oxt 
 package manually with
 unopkg, I got this error message:
 
  wu114216:~ rony$ "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/program/unopkg" 
 add -f --shared 
 /Library/Frameworks/BSF4ooRexx.framework/Libraries/ScriptProviderForooRexx.oxt
  dyld: Library not loaded: @___URELIB/libuno_cppu.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/uno.bin
Reason: image not found
 
 ---rony
 
 [1] MacOS: Current directory wrongly set to root directory "/" for scripts:
 
 
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How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it was 
also diligently discussed there.
But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests from 
users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does not work 
under BigSur continue.

1.
Is there any solution in sight?

2.
If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
(BigSur) is currently not supported? 
(This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to version 
11.0).


Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day by 
day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess the 
technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation is 
damaging our reputation.



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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Mechtilde]

Hello jörg,

here is the last test to fix this problem.

http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

this build is from yesterday.

Regards

Mechtilde

Am 25.12.20 um 11:02 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello,
> 
> I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it was 
> also diligently discussed there.
> But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests from 
> users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does not work 
> under BigSur continue.
> 
> 1.
> Is there any solution in sight?
> 
> 2.
> If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
> (BigSur) is currently not supported? 
> (This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to version 
> 11.0).
> 
> 
> Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day by 
> day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess the 
> technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation is 
> damaging our reputation.
> 
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Jörg
> 
> 
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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Mechtilde,

Am 25.12.20 um 11:27 schrieb Mechtilde:
> Hello jörg,
>
> here is the last test to fix this problem.
>
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> this build is from yesterday.

Yes, but that is a branch we will not be releasing soon... ;-)

AOO 4.1.8 *does* run on Big Sur, but we have an open issue with opening
docx files.
This and some other "glitches" would (IMHO) justify a new 4.1.9 build.

BTW: Have some nice days for Christmas!
We are all spending so much of our private time on this project, it
should never be forgotten that we all deserve some private time.
Especially after this "special" year. Looking forward to 2021!

Regards,

   Matthias

> Regards
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 25.12.20 um 11:02 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it was 
>> also diligently discussed there.
>> But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests from 
>> users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does not work 
>> under BigSur continue.
>>
>> 1.
>> Is there any solution in sight?
>>
>> 2.
>> If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
>> (BigSur) is currently not supported? 
>> (This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to 
>> version 11.0).
>>
>>
>> Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day 
>> by day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess 
>> the technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation 
>> is damaging our reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> greetings,
>> Jörg
>>
>>
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RE: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello Mechtilde,

> -Original Message-
> From: Mechtilde [mailto:o...@mechtilde.de] 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:28 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
> 
> Hello jörg,
> 
> here is the last test to fix this problem.
> 
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> 
> this build is from yesterday.

Thank you.
May I share this link with an end-user at users...@openoffice.apache.org?


furthermore:

1.
May I share this link elsewhere (e.g. in http://de.openoffice.info)?

2.
I don't know if there are plans to replace the official download version with 
this new version and how fast that would be.
Would it be a way to list this version, with appropriate notes (which we should 
discuss briefly) in the release notes.





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RE: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:56 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
> 
> Hi Mechtilde,
> 
> Am 25.12.20 um 11:27 schrieb Mechtilde:
> > Hello jörg,
> >
> > here is the last test to fix this problem.
> >
> > http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> >
> > this build is from yesterday.
> 
> Yes, but that is a branch we will not be releasing soon... ;-)
> 
> AOO 4.1.8 *does* run on Big Sur, but we have an open issue 
> with opening
> docx files.
> This and some other "glitches" would (IMHO) justify a new 4.1.9 build.

+1

I can only emphasize again 
the situation for the normal macOS users is currently very unpleasant, they 
update to BigSur and then AOO no longer runs properly. (The end-users do not 
distinguish between general problems and problems with file types.)

If there is no new Release there must be an info(*) in the release notes. as 
soon as possible.


(*)
I can do the work of writing, however, the decision to publish such a 
info/notice we must make together.


Jörg


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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Mechtilde]

Hello Jörg,

Am 25.12.20 um 12:22 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello Mechtilde,
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mechtilde [mailto:o...@mechtilde.de] 
>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:28 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
>> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
>>
>> Hello jörg,
>>
>> here is the last test to fix this problem.
>>
>> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>
>> this build is from yesterday.
> 
> 1.
> May I share this link elsewhere (e.g. in http://de.openoffice.info)?
> 
> 2.
> I don't know if there are plans to replace the official download version with 
> this new version and how fast that would be.
> Would it be a way to list this version, with appropriate notes (which we 
> should discuss briefly) in the release notes.
> 

First we need feedback from tester whether this build works as expected.

Regards

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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Mechtilde,

Am 25.12.20 um 12:51 schrieb Mechtilde:
> Hello Jörg,
>
> Am 25.12.20 um 12:22 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> Hello Mechtilde,
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mechtilde [mailto:o...@mechtilde.de] 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:28 AM
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
>>> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
>>>
>>> Hello jörg,
>>>
>>> here is the last test to fix this problem.
>>>
>>> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>>
>>> this build is from yesterday.
>> 1.
>> May I share this link elsewhere (e.g. in http://de.openoffice.info)?
>>
>> 2.
>> I don't know if there are plans to replace the official download version 
>> with this new version and how fast that would be.
>> Would it be a way to list this version, with appropriate notes (which we 
>> should discuss briefly) in the release notes.
>>
> First we need feedback from tester whether this build works as expected.

I can confirm that this build can open docx. But this is a different
branch and I am not sure if it ever was affected by the problem.
@Jim: Checking for updates is functional again for me!

However, we really should state this (known) Problem in our Release Notes.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jim Jagielski]

It is more than likely that we may need to release a 4.1.9 just to accommodate 
BigSur. However, AOO
is hardly unique in being an app that no longer works when someone upgrades to 
BigSur. The macOS
community is replete w/ such apps. I'm not using that as an excuse, but that is 
what it is.


> On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it was 
> also diligently discussed there.
> But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests from 
> users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does not work 
> under BigSur continue.
> 
> 1.
> Is there any solution in sight?
> 
> 2.
> If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
> (BigSur) is currently not supported? 
> (This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to version 
> 11.0).
> 
> 
> Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day by 
> day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess the 
> technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation is 
> damaging our reputation.
> 
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Jörg
> 
> 
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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 26.12.20 um 15:17 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> It is more than likely that we may need to release a 4.1.9 just to 
> accommodate BigSur. However, AOO
> is hardly unique in being an app that no longer works when someone upgrades 
> to BigSur. The macOS
> community is replete w/ such apps. I'm not using that as an excuse, but that 
> is what it is.

More than once Apple did break something with an OS upgrade and fixed it
with one of the next updates...

Let's see how macOS 11.2 (beta) behaves [1].

Regards,

   Matthias

[1]
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/17/apple-seeds-macos-big-sur-11-2-public-beta-1/

>
>
>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it was 
>> also diligently discussed there.
>> But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests from 
>> users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does not work 
>> under BigSur continue.
>>
>> 1.
>> Is there any solution in sight?
>>
>> 2.
>> If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
>> (BigSur) is currently not supported? 
>> (This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to 
>> version 11.0).
>>
>>
>> Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day 
>> by day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess 
>> the technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation 
>> is damaging our reputation.
>>
>>
>>
>> greetings,
>> Jörg
>>
>>
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Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jim Jagielski]

For me, the issue is whether it is, indeed, a code problem in 4.1.8 that 
requires fixes
and thus a 4.1.9 release, or whether it is a *build* problem, that implies that 
building
4.1.8 with a newer SDK will resolve the problem. AFAICT, that question is still 
unresolved.
What we DO know is that 4.2.0-dev works fine under Big Sur.

With that in mind, over the next week I may try building 4.1.8 but with various 
versions
of Xcode and macOS SDKs...

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Am 26.12.20 um 15:17 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> It is more than likely that we may need to release a 4.1.9 just to 
>> accommodate BigSur. However, AOO
>> is hardly unique in being an app that no longer works when someone upgrades 
>> to BigSur. The macOS
>> community is replete w/ such apps. I'm not using that as an excuse, but that 
>> is what it is.
> 
> More than once Apple did break something with an OS upgrade and fixed it
> with one of the next updates...
> 
> Let's see how macOS 11.2 (beta) behaves [1].
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
> [1]
> https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/17/apple-seeds-macos-big-sur-11-2-public-beta-1/
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I had opened the thread "Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?" and it 
>>> was also diligently discussed there.
>>> But there seems to be no solution yet and at the same time the requests 
>>> from users who are practically not able to work anymore because AOO does 
>>> not work under BigSur continue.
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Is there any solution in sight?
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> If not, shouldn't we at least publicly announce that AOO under MacOS 11.0 
>>> (BigSur) is currently not supported? 
>>> (This would give users the chance to wait with the update of MacOS to 
>>> version 11.0).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry, my point of view is only that of a supporter who supports users day 
>>> by day  (voluntarily in the community and professionally), I can't assess 
>>> the technical problems, but unfortunately I see that the current situation 
>>> is damaging our reputation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> greetings,
>>> Jörg
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:18 PM
> To: dev
> Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
> 
> It is more than likely that we may need to release a 4.1.9 
> just to accommodate BigSur. However, AOO
> is hardly unique in being an app that no longer works when 
> someone upgrades to BigSur. The macOS
> community is replete w/ such apps. I'm not using that as an 
> excuse, but that is what it is.

I have not claimed anything to the contrary.

Other "apps" are not our job, but our job is to do a good job for AOO and 
currently informing the users would be part of the good job. 


Jörg


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RE: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de] 
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:05 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
> AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com] 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:18 PM
> > To: dev
> > Subject: Re: How should we proceed with BigSur? (was: Does 
> > AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?)
> > 
> > It is more than likely that we may need to release a 4.1.9 
> > just to accommodate BigSur. However, AOO
> > is hardly unique in being an app that no longer works when 
> > someone upgrades to BigSur. The macOS
> > community is replete w/ such apps. I'm not using that as an 
> > excuse, but that is what it is.
> 
> I have not claimed anything to the contrary.
> 
> Other "apps" are not our job, but our job is to do a good job 
> for AOO and currently informing the users would be part of 
> the good job. 

Oh, sorry, I thought your reply was referring to the other thread (="Addition 
in release notes because of Big Sur").


Jörg


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