Re: Flat ODF
Hi Francis, Am 30.06.23 um 02:53 schrieb F Campos Costero: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 9:57 AM F Campos Costero > wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi Francis, >>> >>> Am 20.06.23 um 22:50 schrieb F Campos Costero: On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Matthias Seidel < >>> ... >>> >>> Regards, >>> Francis >>> >>> Ok, I'll try using my Mint system and also try other documents. I can't >> do that today but perhaps tomorrow. >> Regards, >> Francis >> > I finally had time to work on this. I downloaded the document at [1] and > I could edit the flat version of that. Strangely, I also edited the version > of that document that I originally tried. My original version had been > edited by me and Keith some time ago to update it to AOO 4.1, so it has > recorded changes and some comments. So, at the moment, I can save a flat > version of an odt and then edit it but I have no explanation for why > editing previously produced a file that would crash AOO. Yes, that is a bit weird. But if it works now we don't have a general problem here. > > I cannot install the xml filter on my Mint system (Linux Mint 21, Cinnamon > 64 bit). When I select the jar file, AOO crashes instantly. I hope I'm not > doing something stupid. If your Linux Mint is using GNOME (or a fork) as desktop environment that is what I expected. Unfortunately we have a lot of crashes on GNOME environments... Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Francis > > [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flat ODF
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 9:57 AM F Campos Costero wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >> Hi Francis, >> >> Am 20.06.23 um 22:50 schrieb F Campos Costero: >> > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Am 20.06.23 um 20:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> >>> Hi All, >> >>> >> >>> Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> >>>> Hi Damjan, >> >>>> >> >>>> Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: >> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel < >> >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi All, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> What do you think about these filters: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import >> crashes >> >>>>>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be >> >> fixed... >> >>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>Matthias >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> Thank you for the pointers! >> >>>> >> >>>> Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, >> >> too. >> >>>>> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug >> >> report: >> >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 >> >>>> BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I >> have >> >>>> the filters installed). >> >>> OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c >> >>> This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to >> >>> the release branch. >> >> Nope, works also on 4.1.14. >> >> >> >> I just seem to have a problem with the .fodt file type not associated >> >> with AOO. >> >> >> >> And the attached file is Flat ODT, but with an .odt extension. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >>Matthias >> >> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> >> >>>Matthias >> >>> >> >>>>> This is possibly relevant too: >> >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> >> >>>>Matthias >> >>>> >> >>>>> Regards >> >>>>> Damjan >> >>>>> >> > I played with saving a Writer document in the fodt format because I >> thought >> > a flat xml file would be useful for the documentation effort. Git isn't >> > much use with the odt format. >> That is what I also thought of, since fodt is plain text it can easier >> be compared in a version control system. >> > I opened a chapter of the Calc User Guide >> > (0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt) that has 24 pages, 29 figures, many >> > small tables, a few inserted comments and several tracked changes. I >> > successfully saved it as an fodt and I could reopen it. I have not >> > proofread the fodt but there are no obvious formatting problems. >> However, >> > if I make even a tiny edit, adding one letter, and save the file, >> > OpenOffice hangs when I try to reopen the file.. I eventually get the >> > Windows message "OpenOffice 4.1.14 is not responding". >> >> I did that with this file [1] and have no problems with editing/saving. >> >> The fodt size is about twice as big as odt. However I see no tracked >> changes, so maybe you have another version? >> >> > I also tried the >> > document in the bugzilla issue and I successfully made a small edit to >> that. >> > I would be willing to run tests to discover what document features cause >> > problems if that is likely to lead to fixing the problem. I have a Linux >> > Mint system in addition to a WIndows 10 system. >> >> Can you try to install the filters on your Linux system? Which desktop >> environment is Mint using? >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >> [1] >> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Francis >> > >> >> Ok, I'll try using my Mint system and also try other documents. I can't > do that today but perhaps tomorrow. > Regards, > Francis > I finally had time to work on this. I downloaded the document at [1] and I could edit the flat version of that. Strangely, I also edited the version of that document that I originally tried. My original version had been edited by me and Keith some time ago to update it to AOO 4.1, so it has recorded changes and some comments. So, at the moment, I can save a flat version of an odt and then edit it but I have no explanation for why editing previously produced a file that would crash AOO. I cannot install the xml filter on my Mint system (Linux Mint 21, Cinnamon 64 bit). When I select the jar file, AOO crashes instantly. I hope I'm not doing something stupid. Regards, Francis [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt
Re: Flat ODF
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Francis, > > Am 20.06.23 um 22:50 schrieb F Campos Costero: > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > > wrote: > > > >> Am 20.06.23 um 20:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >>>> Hi Damjan, > >>>> > >>>> Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel < > >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What do you think about these filters: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import > crashes > >>>>>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be > >> fixed... > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Matthias > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Thank you for the pointers! > >>>> > >>>> Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, > >> too. > >>>>> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug > >> report: > >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 > >>>> BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I > have > >>>> the filters installed). > >>> OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. > >>> > >>> > >> > https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c > >>> This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to > >>> the release branch. > >> Nope, works also on 4.1.14. > >> > >> I just seem to have a problem with the .fodt file type not associated > >> with AOO. > >> > >> And the attached file is Flat ODT, but with an .odt extension. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >>Matthias > >> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>>Matthias > >>> > >>>>> This is possibly relevant too: > >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>>Matthias > >>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Damjan > >>>>> > > I played with saving a Writer document in the fodt format because I > thought > > a flat xml file would be useful for the documentation effort. Git isn't > > much use with the odt format. > That is what I also thought of, since fodt is plain text it can easier > be compared in a version control system. > > I opened a chapter of the Calc User Guide > > (0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt) that has 24 pages, 29 figures, many > > small tables, a few inserted comments and several tracked changes. I > > successfully saved it as an fodt and I could reopen it. I have not > > proofread the fodt but there are no obvious formatting problems. However, > > if I make even a tiny edit, adding one letter, and save the file, > > OpenOffice hangs when I try to reopen the file.. I eventually get the > > Windows message "OpenOffice 4.1.14 is not responding". > > I did that with this file [1] and have no problems with editing/saving. > > The fodt size is about twice as big as odt. However I see no tracked > changes, so maybe you have another version? > > > I also tried the > > document in the bugzilla issue and I successfully made a small edit to > that. > > I would be willing to run tests to discover what document features cause > > problems if that is likely to lead to fixing the problem. I have a Linux > > Mint system in addition to a WIndows 10 system. > > Can you try to install the filters on your Linux system? Which desktop > environment is Mint using? > > Regards, > >Matthias > > [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt > > > > > Regards, > > Francis > > > > Ok, I'll try using my Mint system and also try other documents. I can't do that today but perhaps tomorrow. Regards, Francis
Re: Flat ODF
Hi Francis, Am 20.06.23 um 22:50 schrieb F Campos Costero: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Matthias Seidel > wrote: > >> Am 20.06.23 um 20:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>>> Hi Damjan, >>>> >>>> Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: >>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think about these filters: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 >>>>>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? >>>>>> >>>>>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes >>>>>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be >> fixed... >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Matthias >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Thank you for the pointers! >>>> >>>> Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, >> too. >>>>> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug >> report: >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 >>>> BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I have >>>> the filters installed). >>> OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. >>> >>> >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c >>> This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to >>> the release branch. >> Nope, works also on 4.1.14. >> >> I just seem to have a problem with the .fodt file type not associated >> with AOO. >> >> And the attached file is Flat ODT, but with an .odt extension. >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >>> Regards, >>> >>>Matthias >>> >>>>> This is possibly relevant too: >>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>>Matthias >>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Damjan >>>>> > I played with saving a Writer document in the fodt format because I thought > a flat xml file would be useful for the documentation effort. Git isn't > much use with the odt format. That is what I also thought of, since fodt is plain text it can easier be compared in a version control system. > I opened a chapter of the Calc User Guide > (0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt) that has 24 pages, 29 figures, many > small tables, a few inserted comments and several tracked changes. I > successfully saved it as an fodt and I could reopen it. I have not > proofread the fodt but there are no obvious formatting problems. However, > if I make even a tiny edit, adding one letter, and save the file, > OpenOffice hangs when I try to reopen the file.. I eventually get the > Windows message "OpenOffice 4.1.14 is not responding". I did that with this file [1] and have no problems with editing/saving. The fodt size is about twice as big as odt. However I see no tracked changes, so maybe you have another version? > I also tried the > document in the bugzilla issue and I successfully made a small edit to that. > I would be willing to run tests to discover what document features cause > problems if that is likely to lead to fixing the problem. I have a Linux > Mint system in addition to a WIndows 10 system. Can you try to install the filters on your Linux system? Which desktop environment is Mint using? Regards, Matthias [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt > > Regards, > Francis > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flat ODF
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > Am 20.06.23 um 20:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > > Hi All, > > > > Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >> Hi Damjan, > >> > >> Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > >>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> What do you think about these filters: > >>>> > >>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 > >>>> > >>>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? > >>>> > >>>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes > >>>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. > >>>> > >>>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be > fixed... > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>>Matthias > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> Thank you for the pointers! > >> > >> Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, > too. > >> > >>> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug > report: > >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 > >> BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I have > >> the filters installed). > > OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. > > > > > https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c > > > > This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to > > the release branch. > > Nope, works also on 4.1.14. > > I just seem to have a problem with the .fodt file type not associated > with AOO. > > And the attached file is Flat ODT, but with an .odt extension. > > Regards, > >Matthias > > > > > Regards, > > > >Matthias > > > >>> This is possibly relevant too: > >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 > >> Regards, > >> > >>Matthias > >> > >>> Regards > >>> Damjan > >>> > I played with saving a Writer document in the fodt format because I thought a flat xml file would be useful for the documentation effort. Git isn't much use with the odt format. I opened a chapter of the Calc User Guide (0302CG33-EnterEditFormatData.odt) that has 24 pages, 29 figures, many small tables, a few inserted comments and several tracked changes. I successfully saved it as an fodt and I could reopen it. I have not proofread the fodt but there are no obvious formatting problems. However, if I make even a tiny edit, adding one letter, and save the file, OpenOffice hangs when I try to reopen the file.. I eventually get the Windows message "OpenOffice 4.1.14 is not responding". I also tried the document in the bugzilla issue and I successfully made a small edit to that. I would be willing to run tests to discover what document features cause problems if that is likely to lead to fixing the problem. I have a Linux Mint system in addition to a WIndows 10 system. Regards, Francis
Re: Flat ODF
Am 20.06.23 um 20:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Hi All, > > Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Hi Damjan, >> >> Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: >>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> What do you think about these filters: >>>> >>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? >>>> >>>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes >>>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. >>>> >>>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>>Matthias >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Thank you for the pointers! >> >> Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, too. >> >>> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug report: >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 >> BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I have >> the filters installed). > OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. > > https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c > > This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to > the release branch. Nope, works also on 4.1.14. I just seem to have a problem with the .fodt file type not associated with AOO. And the attached file is Flat ODT, but with an .odt extension. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > > Matthias > >>> This is possibly relevant too: >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> Regards >>> Damjan >>> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flat ODF
Hi All, Am 20.06.23 um 19:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Hi Damjan, > > Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> What do you think about these filters: >>> >>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 >>> >>> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? >>> >>> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes >>> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. >>> >>> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>>Matthias >>> >>> >>> > Thank you for the pointers! > > Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, too. > >> The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug report: >> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 > BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I have > the filters installed). OK, that only works with my 4.2.0 Test build. https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/d3069caad29ae0df2efcdd74497d40d1ed39231c This (and maybe some other commits) does not seem to be backported to the release branch. Regards, Matthias > >> This is possibly relevant too: >> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 > Regards, > > Matthias > >> Regards >> Damjan >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flat ODF
Hi Damjan, Am 20.06.23 um 18:42 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> What do you think about these filters: >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 >> >> Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? >> >> While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes >> on every GNOME based Linux I tried. >> >> But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >> >> Thank you for the pointers! Yes, LO has these Filters integrated. And I think we should do that, too. > The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug report: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 BTW: On Windows I could open the attached file without a problem (I have the filters installed). > > This is possibly relevant too: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 Regards, Matthias > > Regards > Damjan > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flat ODF
On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:05 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi All, > > What do you think about these filters: > > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 > > Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? > > While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes > on every GNOME based Linux I tried. > > But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... > > Regards, > >Matthias > > > > The flat XML file form of ODF is something discussed in this bug report: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126270 This is possibly relevant too: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62475 Regards Damjan
Re: Flat ODF
Sorry for disturbing you with ideas how to improve AOO. You can go back to inactivity mode now... Am 12.06.23 um 19:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Hi All, > > What do you think about these filters: > > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 > > Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? > > While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes > on every GNOME based Linux I tried. > > But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Flat ODF
Hi All, What do you think about these filters: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 Would it be possible to add Flat ODF to AOO? While I can import and use them in my Windows build the import crashes on every GNOME based Linux I tried. But it works e.g. in Xubuntu. So there is another Linux bug to be fixed... Regards, Matthias smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
