Re: [OSM-dev] Any OpenStreetMap viewer for Android?

2009-09-27 Thread Ciprian Talaba
Hi Stefan,

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Stefan Keller  wrote:

> Am I right that there's no OpenStreetMap viewer software available for
> Android-based phones - at least no open source except AndNav2?
>
> -S.
>
> BTW: Just saw this: "Google’s Android-based devices made by companies
> such as Motorola and HTC are about to hit the market in large numbers
> in 2010." (
> http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/iphone-nokias-troubles-by-the-numbers/
> )
>

You can try to build OSM-Android from sources (we will provide an .apk and
some sample data soon) by going here: http://code.google.com/p/osm-android/
Build instructions are in the Wiki:
http://code.google.com/p/osm-android/wiki/BuildInstructions

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Re: [OSM-dev] Any OpenStreetMap viewer for Android?

2009-09-27 Thread John Smith
2009/9/28 Stefan Keller :
> Am I right that there's no OpenStreetMap viewer software available for

Viewer to do what?

> Android-based phones - at least no open source except AndNav2?

Not all of AndNav2 is open source, core components aren't.

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[OSM-dev] Any OpenStreetMap viewer for Android?

2009-09-27 Thread Stefan Keller
Am I right that there's no OpenStreetMap viewer software available for
Android-based phones - at least no open source except AndNav2?

-S.

BTW: Just saw this: "Google’s Android-based devices made by companies
such as Motorola and HTC are about to hit the market in large numbers
in 2010." (http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/iphone-nokias-troubles-by-the-numbers/
)

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Tested

2009-09-27 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Dirk Stöcker wrote:


please do not develop or checkin new stuff in next time so code can mature
a bit (but do bugfixes instead :-). If no larger bugs show inbetween I
would say the next tested version should be released next weekend.


Ok, we had some critical bugs fixed this weekend, so I think the timeline 
should be expanded a bit to verify if fixes are correct. So expect next 
tested somewhen mid or end of next week.


Are there any critical things left? I think no, but if you think so, then 
tell the bug report number.


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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API
>> is just meant to be a quick "index" that gives you an idea of which
>> changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.
>
> I thought about one more thing, ok, so to check if somebody is editing in
> my area it is expensive to check... so I had one other idea.
>
> Could you somehow add the size of the bounding box in RSS feed? And also
> that I can choose only to see edits of certain size when looking at
> OSM.org site.

The size of the bbox is already part of the Atom feeds via the GeoRSS
extension. It'll look like this:

48.003869 7.8216504 48.0079714 7.8301403

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:39:35 +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote:

> Have you tried the ITOWorld OSMapper service?

Yes I have, the issue is that OSMapper has a delay of on week ;(
If that would be live data than it would be great!

As you can see here:
http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/feed?
area=1291:1&show=sessions&token=35c4bfb22021f7d459c5c6f2aea021cd&user=1291



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Re: [OSM-dev] Deeplink for Potlatch Custom Background

2009-09-27 Thread M. Emch

Hi Dave

Thanks for trying to help. Maybe it's a problem in my english skill or
technical. %-|.

Can you give me an example that works?

Regards

Martin

> Then i got this:
> http%3A%2F%2Fintegrate.ch%2Fapp%2Ftile.php%3Flayer%3Dams250%26z%3D%21%26x%3D%21%26y%3D%21
>
> When i call this in browser:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=31.6026&lon=-5.5894&zoom=13&tileurl=http%3A%2F%2Fintegrate.ch%2Fapp%2Ftile.php%3Flayer%3Dams250%26z%3D!%26x%3D!%26y%3D!
>
> Then only this is entered in the "Custom Background" field:
> http://integrate.ch/app/tile.php?layer=ams250
>
> There is something wrong with url encode/decode? How to proper encode
> that?

I think it's currently broken. You have to double encode the &s for it to
work.

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API
> is just meant to be a quick "index" that gives you an idea of which
> changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

I thought about one more thing, ok, so to check if somebody is editing in 
my area it is expensive to check... so I had one other idea.

Could you somehow add the size of the bounding box in RSS feed? And also 
that I can choose only to see edits of certain size when looking at 
OSM.org site.

I would like to see on OSM.org changeset page info how big bounding box 
is, and not only "Area (big)" if it is bigger that some arbitrary size.

Could there be some rough categories, like; under 100km2, under 500km2, 
under 1000km2, under 5000km2, under 1km2, etc...

And that this value is also visible in RSS freed so I can filter it via 
yahoo pipes.

That this suggestion makes sense or am I talking rubbish?



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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/27 Valent Turkovic :
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It
>
> Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for
> monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually
> make lots of mistakes.
>
> Is it possible at least add "area (big)" in RSS feeds of changesets so it
> is filterable via external services (yahoo pipes)?

do you know ito? It is a proprietary service but subscribing is free
and it offers this feature you are requesting (see all changes in a
certain area).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 27 Sep 2009, at 20:10, Valent Turkovic wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to  
>> offer. It
>
> Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for
> monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually
> make lots of mistakes.

Have you tried the ITOWorld OSMapper service?

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It

Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for 
monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually 
make lots of mistakes.

Is it possible at least add "area (big)" in RSS feeds of changesets so it 
is filterable via external services (yahoo pipes)?

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Re: [josm-dev] visible vs. deleted

2009-09-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Karl Guggisberg  writes:

> Hi Matthias
>
>> I guess this happens when trying to delete a deleted object.  But why does
>> JOSM make a distinction between deleted 
>> and visible when the API doesn't?
> Because an object could be deleted in one layer but not in the other. When
> you merge the first layer to the second you should end up with a conflict. 
>
> "deleted==true" means:  "marked to be deleted on the server"
> "visible==false" means: "successfully deleted on the server"

So I guess JOSM is downloading new data into a new layer (that it
doesn't show to the user) and then trying to merge it into the existing
layer?

Still, I can see that JOSM needs to make that distinction internally.
But I don't think it needs to confuse the user with that.  For the user
deleted and unvisible are the same things.

>
>> What this comes down to is the question what JOSM should do when during
>> data update it finds that an object it has 
>> marked for deletion is already deleted on the server.  I think it should
>> be safe to just remove those objects from the 
>> dataset.  After all it is not really a conflict when the JOSM user and the
>> API both think that something should go away.
> Agree. Currently, this case triggers a conflict in JOSM. We could change the
> upload process to avoid that. 

No, not the upload process, but the download/update process. 

At the end of the download it could display a message like "xxx nodes
marked for deletion have already been deleted on the server.  Should
they be purged from the data?"

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> What I would like to know if anybody edited any node or way in area I'm 
> watching, no matter how big the edited area is.

Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It 
is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API 
is just meant to be a quick "index" that gives you an idea of which 
changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

Anyone who is interested could analyse the change feeds coming from the 
API and tell you exactly which changesets affect any area of interest, 
and could also handle e-mail notifications etc. - this is not something 
that needs to, or indeed should, be in the central database.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:49:26 +0200, Pieren wrote:

> I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
> some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

The area size is irrelevant and should be completely ignored.

What I would like to know if anybody edited any node or way in area I'm 
watching, no matter how big the edited area is.

Currently I see edits in my city area [1] even if somebody adds a weather 
station in Antartica and his area is "whole world". 
This is implemented completely wrong. I shouldn't see anything that is 
not edited in area I'm watching, no matter what is the size of area of 
other persons that edit.

And other issue is that RSS feed [2] has no "Area (big)" string. If it 
had I could as a temporary hack use Yahoo pipes to exclude "big" areas, 
but there are also some valid big areas that actually have edited points 
in area that I'm watching so that is not the real solution.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=18.5866%2C45.5177%2C18.7716%
2C45.5863

[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/history/feed?bbox=18.5866%2C45.5177%
2C18.7716%2C45.5863

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Tom Hughes
On 27/09/09 17:37, Valent Turkovic wrote:

> there have been some talk about hiding "big edits" in changeset history,
> is there a plan to implement this feature soon?

People have suggested it but I'm not really sure about it - the problem 
is that it isn't really "big" changesets you want to hide, it is 
changesets which don't really change the area you're looking at.

The trouble is it is hard/expensive to work out whether a changeset 
changes a given area or not.

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 27 Sep 2009, at 17:49, Pieren wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> there have been some talk about hiding "big edits" in changeset  
>> history,
>> is there a plan to implement this feature soon?
>>
>> Thank you very much for your excellent work.
>>
>> Cheers from Croatia,
>> Valent.
>
> I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
> some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

At some point, when there is time, it may be implemented as a toggle,  
i.e. you can hide the big routes as an option.

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> Hi,
> there have been some talk about hiding "big edits" in changeset history,
> is there a plan to implement this feature soon?
>
> Thank you very much for your excellent work.
>
> Cheers from Croatia,
> Valent.

I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

Pieren

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[OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi,
there have been some talk about hiding "big edits" in changeset history, 
is there a plan to implement this feature soon?

Thank you very much for your excellent work.

Cheers from Croatia,
Valent.


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Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-09-27 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Karl Guggisberg
 wrote:
> just wondering whether the OSM API already supports digest authentication.
> If JOSM wanted to use it, could we already work on it or would we have to
> wait for the servers to support it?

TomH via IRC on #osm-dev: "we can't do it and are unlikely ever to do
so as it requires the passwords to be held in plain text on the
server".

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[OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I have noticed that Potlach assigns wrong tags for dirt "dirt track".

When you select "dirt track" potlach adds highway=track and surface=dirt 
tags. That wouldn't be an issue if the icon beside it wouldn't be man 
walking. There should be a car icon instead of man walking or the tag 
should be "highway=path" "surface=dirt"

Am I missing something?



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Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-09-27 Thread Karl Guggisberg
Hi everbody

just wondering whether the OSM API already supports digest authentication.
If JOSM wanted to use it, could we already work on it or would we have to
wait for the servers to support it?

Regards
Karl 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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[mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Valent Turkovic
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Betreff: Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:25:36 +0200, GeoJ wrote:

> May be the HTTP digest authentication would be an alternative (or a 
> similar approach)? It uses a clear-text challenge-response protocol 
> that does not require SSL but protects the password.

Will this be incorporated in some future version of JOSM?



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Re: [OSM-dev] Template-Bug on OSM-Homepage

2009-09-27 Thread Jonas Krückel
Peter Körner schrieb:
> When removing so. as a friend the homepage states
>
> {{name} wurde als Freund entfernt.
>
> I'd guess there's a } missing?
>   
Thanks for the hint. Fixed in de.yml now.

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Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:25:36 +0200, GeoJ wrote:

> May be the HTTP digest authentication would be an alternative (or a
> similar approach)? It uses a clear-text challenge-response protocol that
> does not require SSL but protects the password.

Will this be incorporated in some future version of JOSM?



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Re: [OSM-dev] Deeplink for Potlatch Custom Background

2009-09-27 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM, M. Emch  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard
>
> Thanks for fast answer! I have still some problems. I encoded this
> http://integrate.ch/app/tile.php?layer=ams250&z=!&x=!&y=! here:
> http://www.whatsmyip.org/stringencoder/
>
> Then i got this:
> http%3A%2F%2Fintegrate.ch%2Fapp%2Ftile.php%3Flayer%3Dams250%26z%3D%21%26x%3D%21%26y%3D%21
>
> When i call this in browser:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=31.6026&lon=-5.5894&zoom=13&tileurl=http%3A%2F%2Fintegrate.ch%2Fapp%2Ftile.php%3Flayer%3Dams250%26z%3D!%26x%3D!%26y%3D!
>
> Then only this is entered in the "Custom Background" field:
> http://integrate.ch/app/tile.php?layer=ams250
>
> There is something wrong with url encode/decode? How to proper encode that?

I think it's currently broken. You have to double encode the &s for it to work.

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Re: [OSM-dev] Imported data missing from mapnik database?

2009-09-27 Thread Jon Burgess
On Sat, 2009-09-26 at 21:42 -0300, Claudomiro Nascimento Junior wrote:
> Could somebody check if the boundary data for Brazil that I imported
> last 15 of september (changeset 2487678) is in the mapnik database?

The size of the changeset meant that most the nodes were lost from
minute diffs.

> For instance, I can not "force" way 40835878 on the Brazil/Uruguay
> border to be rendered even after marking tiles dirty.

That won't help when the data is missing from the diffs

> It is curious that some ways (like 40835721) are rendered when Insert
> extra nodes on middle of it, but this does not work when just adding
> extra attributes.

If you do the edit with Potlatch then I believe it updates all the nodes
of the way during the edit. This makes them all appear in the diffs.
Changing a tag just updates the way without the nodes appearing in the
diff. 

I have downloaded & applied changeset 2487678 to the Mapnik DB. All the
data should now be present and starting to render. If you have made
edits after changeset 2487678 then these will not appear in Mapnik until
the next full import (maybe next weekend).

In future this issue should be resolved by the new replication diffs.
This does not drop nodes on large changesets. The Mapnik updates have
been using these since Sept 18th, so your data just missed by a couple
of days.

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[OSM-dev] Template-Bug on OSM-Homepage

2009-09-27 Thread Peter Körner
When removing so. as a friend the homepage states

{{name} wurde als Freund entfernt.

I'd guess there's a } missing?

Peter

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