Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
Hi, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At >> present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states, >> regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the >> sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway etc etc) and >> special interests (cycling, on horseback etc) by hand. This is over >> and over again the same work only with a different assortment. It >> would be really helpful, if it was possible to extract automaticly >> these informations nearly live from OSM. > > it is already possible, you can get these things through the XAPI or > by selecting them locally from the complete data (or an excerpt). Yes but this is really not the focus of OpenStreetMap. Remember that our focus is mapping stuff that is visible on the ground. The kind of maps discussed here rely almost entirely on stuff that is not visible (administrative borders, mostly). These are not one of our strengths, and never will be - we can of course import them from somewhere but if they were freely available, so could Wikipedians drawing maps... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Mapnik Installation Problem
Martin, On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Dane, again thank you for your reply. With your help I managed relink > to /usr/local/lib (temporary moved the libicu) and finally pass the > configure procedure. Glad you could get icu linking working with that workaround. Good news is that as of r1649 of Mapnik trunk (and in the upcoming Mapnik 0.7.1 release) this workaround should no longer be needed (http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/484 ) > Compiling stopped with this error: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mapnik-us...@lists.berlios.de/ > msg02107.html > Also fixed (http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/517). > Step 1 and 2 didn't work, but after commenting out what 3) suggested > it passed. This does mean there are no shapeindexes? It means the command line utility to generate indexes will not be available. But, existing indexes will still work, like the ones provided along with the osm coastline shapefiles. > > 2010/1/29 Dane Springmeyer : >> Too old for what? Not Mapnik 0.7.0, which again works with ubuntu- >> repository >> boost and icu. If it did not them please give me details. > > > no, I can't tell but I think you're right: before installing Mapnik > 0.7 I tried to install from svn (0.8?). That didn't work and I updated > icu and boost. After that didn't work I tried mapnik 0.7, so I already > had updated them before I tried mapnik 0.7. > Okay, gocha. > Again thanks for your help, > > I try some rendering You are welcome, have fun! Dane ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
2010/2/28 Tirkon : > But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At > present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states, > regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the > sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway etc etc) and > special interests (cycling, on horseback etc) by hand. This is over > and over again the same work only with a different assortment. It > would be really helpful, if it was possible to extract automaticly > these informations nearly live from OSM. it is already possible, you can get these things through the XAPI or by selecting them locally from the complete data (or an excerpt). cheers, Martin ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Announcement: new khtml javascript map library
Hi Bernhard, On 28 February 2010 19:27, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > Now I started to improve my javascript map library - I have nothing > else to do. > > All informations here: > http://www.khtml.org/iphonemap/help.html > > It provides a very fast, stepless zoom on WebKit Browsers with good > internet connection. > iPhone moultitouch is fully supported. > Internet Explorer is not supported. I have used an old version of your zoomzoomzoommap (khtml) as a base for www.openstreetmap.pl and www.openstreetmap.pl/wp and have made some changes to how the zoom levels work (smoother zoom and zoom beyond maximum tile resolution), also I believe I fixed some problems but don't remember now. Unfortunately I needed to "fork" your library because I'm intolerant to different code formatting than my preferred and so it isn't easy to merge changes back now.. however if there's anything you want to incorporate back to khtml feel free to do so. (The site works best in firefox, but webkit should work too..) I hope you recover quickly, this must be an amazing adventure there... Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code Projects
Hi There, It will soon be time for OpenStreetMap to apply to join the 2010 Google Summer of Code Programme. This gives students the opportunity to work on open source projects during the summer, for which they receive some payment by Google. It costs us nothing more than providing a Mentor to guide the student. It would be really useful if we could put together a list of potential student projects to get potential applicants thinking. The projects need to be fairly well defined to make it easy to judge 'success', so it is good to have specific targets. >From recent discussions on these lists I have identified the following possibilities so far: - Develop a stand alone 'Newbie'/'Introductory'/'Lite' Editor - the priority is ease of use rather than functionality. - Help with the development of Potlatch 2 (maybe to include the 'lite' editor functionality) - we would need to help the applicants identify specific targets. - Develop a simple 'mapping tool' for mobile phones to *easily* collect GPX traces, geotagged images and geotagged audio clips. Ideally it should be capable of running on both Android, J2ME and Iphones, so you can have the same simple application no matter what sort of phone you use. - Improve the usability of a simple mobile phone map editing application (such as vespucci for android). - Incorporation of OSM data and traffic data. I am sure there are other things that I am not familiar with too - would it be useful for someone to do some work on tools to process OSM data in some way, or are there any tasks on the OSM server itself that could be turned into projects? Please will you give some thought to other possibilities and either add them to the GSoC 2010 Wiki Page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010) or reply by email if you prefer. Thanks Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Fwd: PostgreSQL beta-test data
trying again... Begin forwarded message: > From: SteveC > Date: February 28, 2010 12:01:33 PM MST > To: Steve Crawford , dev list > > Cc: Josh Berkus > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL beta-test data > > possible psql help if anyone is interested > > On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Steve Crawford wrote: > >> >> SteveC wrote: >>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Steve Crawford wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve, The San Francisco PG users group is organizing a beta-test day for PG9 (http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/SFPUG_Beta_Test_Day) and wants to test against some current open data sets/projects. Is it possible to get a standard PostgreSQL dump of the OSM database? I didn't see that as an option on the website. I'm not sure, yet, if the machines we will have for testing will be appropriate for this data size but it would be great to have that data for testing. If we are able to use it, we can report any issues we discover in the marathon test day. I'm sure the new hot-replication feature will be a killer feature for OSM. SteveC wrote: >>> search for planet.openstreetmap.org and osm2pgsql >>> >> Will do. >>> if you don't mind I can fwd this to the list who might ask you to try a few >>> things and help out over IRC and stuff? >>> >> Sure, but realize we haven't even gotten to the point of picking a date. >> While I would love to get up-to-speed enough to actually make an OSM >> installation, I doubt my available time would allow me to do that - I'd be >> starting from scratch. But the dataset would be good to test against both >> due to the size and to test upgrading, version-compatibility, postGIS and >> such. >> >> Of course it would be *fabulous* if you or one of the other Bay Area folks >> who are already familiar with OSM could participate in the beta-test day and >> help uncover any bugs that would impact you. It would be even better if >> someone could bring a test machine with OSM data on-board! Don't know if >> that could be arranged but one can hope... In any case, we will do as much >> testing as we can. >> >> Josh Berkus is the main instigator of this event. I cc'd him on this to >> bring him into the loop. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve >> > > Yours &c. > > Steve > Yours &c. Steve ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OPEN STREET MAP - TRAFFIC INFORMATION
These sound like interesting ideas for a Google Summer of Code project. The application process has not started yet, but it would be good to put your ideas down on the OSM wiki page and seek views of other members on how this could be implemented - it will also help when you write your application because you will have got some of it written in advance! The wiki page for student ideas is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010. I look for ward to reading about your proposals! Regards Graham. On 28 February 2010 18:14, peter wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 18:56 -0700, MilesTogoe wrote: > > SteveC wrote: > > Bouncing to newbies@, someone should be able to help you there > > > > I've been a professional traffic engineer (and engr professor) in the US > and would be happy to be a mentor if you want to make this into a Google > Summer of Code project ! I think it's about that time that GSoC > proposals start up. > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Diego Castronuovo wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, I'm a student of computer science at the University of Bologna. I > >> am interested in traffic engineering and for my thesis I would be > >> interested in the development of a system for sharing information on > >> traffic like this: # http://www.monthorin.net/tiki-index.php > >> Pre_requisits_to_use_Real_Time_Traffic > >> > >> I love the open source philosophy and I would be interested in > >> collaborating on the project open street map. What is the state of the art > >> integration of traffic information in open street map? Thank you in > >> advance. Regards, > >> > >> -- > >> Diego castronuovo - > >> http://www.castronuovo.org > > Hey > > I'm a student as well, I have started dealing with a very similar issue a > couple of months ago: How could openstreetmap (the community and the map > data) be used to integrate and generate "open" traffic information. My goal > is to develop a prototype to show how such a "extension" could look like > and use this topic to finish my master studies in Vienna. I'm very > interested to make my work into a Google Summer of Code project, even I > think that 50% of the project will deal with creating a sophisticated > concept. > > best regards > Peter > > ___ > dev mailing list > dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Announcement: new khtml javascript map library
Hi all I was mapping a white spot on OpenStreetMap with my bicycle: Myanmar Now I'm in Phnom Penh (Cambodia) and have a "Bandscheibenvorfall" (disc prolapse) because of the bad roads in Myanmar. It's painful and I can't move very much. In my guesthouse I get everything in distance of 10m and it's a good place. I also have WiFi Internet access. Now I started to improve my javascript map library - I have nothing else to do. All informations here: http://www.khtml.org/iphonemap/help.html It provides a very fast, stepless zoom on WebKit Browsers with good internet connection. iPhone moultitouch is fully supported. Internet Explorer is not supported. I will be here in the guesthouse for maybe 2 weeks until I'm able to move again. In this time I have time to improve the lib. I would love to get nice feedback. Bernhard ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OPEN STREET MAP - TRAFFIC INFORMATION
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 18:56 -0700, MilesTogoe wrote: > SteveC wrote: > > Bouncing to newbies@, someone should be able to help you there > > > > I've been a professional traffic engineer (and engr professor) in the US > and would be happy to be a mentor if you want to make this into a Google > Summer of Code project ! I think it's about that time that GSoC > proposals start up. > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Diego Castronuovo wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, I'm a student of computer science at the University of Bologna. I > >> am interested in traffic engineering and for my thesis I would be > >> interested in the development of a system for sharing information on > >> traffic like this: # http://www.monthorin.net/tiki-index.php > >> Pre_requisits_to_use_Real_Time_Traffic > >> > >> I love the open source philosophy and I would be interested in > >> collaborating on the project open street map. What is the state of the art > >> integration of traffic information in open street map? Thank you in > >> advance. Regards, > >> > >> -- > >> Diego castronuovo - > >> http://www.castronuovo.org Hey I'm a student as well, I have started dealing with a very similar issue a couple of months ago: How could openstreetmap (the community and the map data) be used to integrate and generate "open" traffic information. My goal is to develop a prototype to show how such a "extension" could look like and use this topic to finish my master studies in Vienna. I'm very interested to make my work into a Google Summer of Code project, even I think that 50% of the project will deal with creating a sophisticated concept. best regards Peter ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] indoor wifi geopositionning - openstreetmap precision, collaborators?
Hello Richard, thank you very much again for your replies ! > - Richard Atterer here : http://atterer.net/leadme ; > > I just extended that page with pictures of the hardware I built for indoor > mapping, and a screenshot of the map editor I'm developing. > Richard ! Your mapping mouse (a walkable path recorder :-) ) looks amazing and funny to use ! So you've taken two quake-gaming mice and consider using a proximity probe, a compass and HD webcam... (I used my german-english dictionaries & some old skills :-) ) I've pasted a link for your project on the Indoor mapping osm wiki page in the Projects > Around OpenStreetMap section http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_mapping#Around_OpenStreetMap Jonathan-David Schröder On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Richard Atterer wrote: > Hello, > > thanks for CCing me, Jonathan-David! It's great to see other people are > interested in indoor navigation! I just subscribed to the dev list. > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:50:01AM +0100, Jonathan-David SCHRODER wrote: > > Outside of openstreetmap's site, we have found several people mentioning > the > > topic of indoor geopositioning : > > - Richard Atterer here : http://atterer.net/leadme ; > > I just extended that page with pictures of the hardware I built for indoor > mapping, and a screenshot of the map editor I'm developing. > > (I should mention right now that my time to continue working on this is > very constrained in the nearer future. :~-| ) > > > - on mobile phones : use of Nutiteq's j2me maps library, or other > > android piece of open source software for example (osmdroid, opensatnav). > > Some code around those apps allows for more zoom levels & for > > threaded-background gathering of wifi beacons positions (stored in 2)'s > > database) so as to make triangulation calculation and to allow end-user > > searching of objects to display on top of map (what do you propose for > this > > overlaying ? Can the Web API reply to the queries with a KML group of > > features ?... we want to have features's URLs known and usable on the > mobile > > end). > > From what I gathered (from researchers working in this area), triangulation > in an indoor setting is problematic. Signals may be attenuated due to > walls, or may be reflected from walls, so it just does not work well. > > To get around this issue, my simple idea was to continuously record WiFi > beacons and their relative strength, and include many many samples in the > map - with every node, and possibly even in extra nodes created just to > carry that information. With a decent algorithm, this might give better > results than storing AP location info in the map. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > -- > __ , | ) /| Richard Atterer > | \/ | http://atterer.net > > ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] indoor wifi geopositionning - openstreetmap precision, collaborators?
Hi Stefan, thanks for your e-mail, I hope you don't mind this : I've added your links to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_indoor_and_outdoor_human_sized_objects#Around_other_mapping_standards.2Fsolutions.2Fdatasets (you land there by typing indoor mapping in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org's search engine). My team's finished its Geopard end-of-studies project. You can look it up here : http://geoparden.wordpress.com The Point Zero X project (http://web.me.com/sachinio/pzx/Home.html <= I found this link on http://dev.ifs.hsr.ch/indoorwps/wiki ) seems to be similar to Geopard : wifi geopositioning for a university campus, but Point Zero X has more geopositionned-services than Geopard (geopard only gives per-university room daily schedule, while Point Zero X gives associated lectures content and chatrooms). what server stack do the Point Zero X & IndoorWPS projects use ? an OGC server like mapserver/geoserver/arcgis ? The latest (end of january) Geopard release uses an OSM stack that was assembled on top of an ubuntu 8.04 EBS AMI. I'm proposing anyone to ask me for an access to amazon EC2 snapshot of the Geopard server. The OSM stack has these landmarks : - <> minutely Rails-port/osmosis read-replication-interval (rri) => postgis db - increased rendering zoom levels (22 instead of 17) thanks to a modified mod_tile/renderd build - 1 mod_tile tileset = 1 .xml file per buidling level - a sample openlayers viewer page to switch display between level layers I really feel that there's a lack of indoor (wifi or other) geopositioning projects which do not contain any patent : For example here :http://www.skyhookwireless.com/flash/loader_howitworks.swf; if you read closely you'll find that their geopositioning algorithm (server-side) is patented and also unfortunately, their wifi beacons database is closed source. That's about the same for Ekahau, Aeroscout and Mapume I think. About your wifi-geopositioning technology, is it open source ? Ours (Geopard's) is, but is not released yet. Jonathan-David Schröder On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: > Salut Jonathan-David > > Just stumbled over your thread. > > Our Indoor WPS project is perhaps something interesting for your project: > http://dev.ifs.hsr.ch/indoorwps/wiki . We're on a very experimental > phase but look especially at the Community Server and Service. > > And perhaps don't forget to mention > http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1122 > (http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/624 ) there especially IndoorML and > the Open Floor Plan Project (although IndoorML proposal is far too > complicated in my opinion and Open Floor Plan not yet open and ready > compared to ours). > > Yours, Stefan > _ > Stefan Keller, Professor for Information Systems > Institute for Software and GISpunkt > University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil (HSR) > CH-8640 Rapperswil, Switzerland > www.ifs.hsr.ch and www.gis.hsr.ch > --- > HSR, the most beautiful Swiss Campus... http://netcam.hsr.ch/ > > > 2009/11/30 Jonathan-David SCHRODER : > > Hello, > > I am working on a student project (team of 6 people) whose goal is to > build > > a solution allowing mobile devices to display indoor data along with wifi > > geopositioning. (I am willing citing this because contrary to > > http://www.micello.com or http://www.aws.cit.ie/mapume/ who we just > found > > about, we want to have something fully open source/free software). > > As part of this project, we have decided to use the openstreetmap server > > software technology. > > > > Someone at University of Calford (UK) did the same as us and managed to > draw > > into a self-hosted openstreetmap server, the inside of some campus's > > bookstore. > > See here : > > > http://www.ja.net/development/network-access/location-awareness/investigations-la.html > > <= B2. Interactive Maps = > > > http://www.ja.net/documents/development/network-access/location-awareness/investigations/B2-interactive-maps-2.pdf > > > > "@page 14 (or 270 in page footers) > > "What worked well was the fact that whilst OpenStreetMap is intended for > > outdoor maps it > > can be made to work equally well for indoor maps. The interactive server > can > > be configured to > > provide further zoom levels to display the resolution required for indoor > > maps. The provision of > > interactive elements can then be achieved by editing the PostGIS database > to > > include additional > > objects, which can then be rendered by the mapnik renderer. Each > additional > > interactive object > > will require its own unique style to be predefined to ensure that they > > appear correctly on the > > portable device." > > > > I have put Nigel Linge who I believe is the author of this PDF and > paragraph > > as a recipient of this e-mail too. > > > > Could someone tell precisely what config changes need to be done for > indoor > > precision & objects, starting from a regular openstreetmap se
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
Hi, Tirkon wrote: > Here is an example, sadly in German. I do not know an English one. > http://geoportal.geodaten.niedersachsen.de/navigator/? But they are far from perfect. On Google maps you can now view the map oriented towards any of the main compass directions ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
Frederik Ramm wrote:
>What you are describing is the "web map to end all web maps". It is a
>natural tendency for many in the IT industry to always try and
>generalise ("if I add this and make that configurable, then the same
>backend could be used to do all these things...").
Here is an example, sadly in German. I do not know an English one.
http://geoportal.geodaten.niedersachsen.de/navigator/?
>In contrast, I think that a lean main site has a better chance of
>encouraging individuals to create their own specialist maps just as we
>have it now.
>The more of OSM is centrally run and maintained, the less diversity and
>creativity the project will offer.
Possibly you are right. I already admitted, that I am in a deep
science fiction.
But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At
present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states,
regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the
sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway etc etc) and
special interests (cycling, on horseback etc) by hand. This is over
and over again the same work only with a different assortment. It
would be really helpful, if it was possible to extract automaticly
these informations nearly live from OSM.
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Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
Hi,
Tirkon wrote:
> Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the
> OSM homepage as a kind of WMS-service with a user-configurable map. A
> menue will take control, which items are shown, highlighted, four
> color theoremed [1] i.e. urban quarters of a town (with one quarter
> highlighted). Thus the cycling-map, the public transport (ÖPNV Karte),
> the features of openstreetbrowser and all the other special maps could
> be integrated, configureable with much more precision as provided by
> these maps i.e. show only streets, motorways, motorways and rivers
> etc.
What you are describing is the "web map to end all web maps". It is a
natural tendency for many in the IT industry to always try and
generalise ("if I add this and make that configurable, then the same
backend could be used to do all these things...").
In contrast, I think that a lean main site has a better chance of
encouraging individuals to create their own specialist maps just as we
have it now.
The more of OSM is centrally run and maintained, the less diversity and
creativity the project will offer.
Bye
Frederik
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Re: [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
SteveC wrote: >I've posted a design concept with description and invitation for feedback here: > >http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg > >Yours &c. > >Steve Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the OSM homepage as a kind of WMS-service with a user-configurable map. A menue will take control, which items are shown, highlighted, four color theoremed [1] i.e. urban quarters of a town (with one quarter highlighted). Thus the cycling-map, the public transport (ÖPNV Karte), the features of openstreetbrowser and all the other special maps could be integrated, configureable with much more precision as provided by these maps i.e. show only streets, motorways, motorways and rivers etc. Pre-defined and stored configuration-views could be made available by click. These configurations could be sent to other users, be downloadable or integrated in a website or integrated as a thumb view in a Wikipedia article i.e. an article of an urban-quarter (urban quarters four-color-shown [1] with the one highlighted. (latter map mirrored by the existing Wikimedia-OSM mirror server). Further a route planning software and the comparisation http://sautter.com/map/ could be integrated in the WMS-map. DropDowns with the properties and (links to) history of an object and links to the map-view of the involved relations could appear on mouse-hover. All that makes it easier to change from one of these maps to Potlatch without loosing the "point of interest". The configurable WMS-map could also be the background of Potlatch and JOSM and - activated by click - allow only editing the shown objects. Possibly other free graphic-software projects could be asked for support by an "official request" of OSM. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_USA_with_state_names.svg [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
