Re: [QUESTION] Legal dependency with Oracle JDBC driver

[Mich Talebzadeh]

Hi Alex,
Well, that is just Justin's opinion vis-à-vis his matter. It is different
from mine. Bottom line, you can always refer to Oracle or a copyright
expert on this matter and see what they suggest.

HTH

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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 22:05, Alex Porcelli  wrote:

> Hi Mich,
>
> Thank you for the prompt response.
>
> Looks like Justin Mclean has a slightly different perspective on the
> Oracle's license as you can see in [3].
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 4:17 PM Mich Talebzadeh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is not an official response and should not be taken as an
>> official view. It is my own opinion.
>>
>> Looking at the reference [1], I can see a host of inclusion to other JDBC
>> vendor' drivers such as IBM DB2 and MSSQL
>>
>> With regard to link [2], it is already closed (3+ years) and it is
>> assumed that these references are taken as "convenience". There is no
>> implication that JDBC drivers are included on these releases, modified or
>> not modified.
>> Oracle provides multiple JDBC drivers like ojdbc5.jar, ojdbc6.jar,
>> ojdbc7.jar, ojdbv11.jar and so forth, free to download and use within the
>> license (you need to have a valid login to Oracle Center)
>>
>> This is what it says with regard to license
>>
>> Governed by the No-clickthrough FDHUT license
>> 
>>
>> I glanced through the license and did not find anything that
>> contravened Spark references as in [1] in
>>
>>- spark 
>>- /sql 
>>- /core 
>>
>>
>> /pom.xml
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mich Talebzadeh,
>> Dad | Technologist | Solutions Architect | Engineer
>> London
>> United Kingdom
>>
>>
>>view my Linkedin profile
>> 
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 16:16, Alex Porcelli  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Spark Devs,
>>>
>>> I'm reaching out to understand how you managed to include the Oracle
>>> JDBC as one of your dependencies [1]. According to legal tickers
>>> [2][3], this is considered a Category X dependency and is not allowed.
>>>
>>> (I'm part of the Apache KIE podling, and we are struggling with such a
>>> dependency and being pointed out that you may have a solution to
>>> share).
>>>
>>> [1] - https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/sql/core/pom.xml#L187
>>> [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-526
>>> [3] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-663
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alex
>>> Apache KIE
>>>
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>>>

Re: [QUESTION] Legal dependency with Oracle JDBC driver

[Alex Porcelli]

Hi Mich,

Thank you for the prompt response.

Looks like Justin Mclean has a slightly different perspective on the
Oracle's license as you can see in [3].


On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 4:17 PM Mich Talebzadeh 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is not an official response and should not be taken as an
> official view. It is my own opinion.
>
> Looking at the reference [1], I can see a host of inclusion to other JDBC
> vendor' drivers such as IBM DB2 and MSSQL
>
> With regard to link [2], it is already closed (3+ years) and it is assumed
> that these references are taken as "convenience". There is no implication
> that JDBC drivers are included on these releases, modified or not modified.
> Oracle provides multiple JDBC drivers like ojdbc5.jar, ojdbc6.jar,
> ojdbc7.jar, ojdbv11.jar and so forth, free to download and use within the
> license (you need to have a valid login to Oracle Center)
>
> This is what it says with regard to license
>
> Governed by the No-clickthrough FDHUT license
> 
>
> I glanced through the license and did not find anything that
> contravened Spark references as in [1] in
>
>- spark 
>- /sql 
>- /core 
>
>
> /pom.xml
>
>
> HTH
>
> Mich Talebzadeh,
> Dad | Technologist | Solutions Architect | Engineer
> London
> United Kingdom
>
>
>view my Linkedin profile
> 
>
>
>  https://en.everybodywiki.com/Mich_Talebzadeh
>
>
>
> *Disclaimer:* Use it at your own risk. Any and all responsibility for any
> loss, damage or destruction of data or any other property which may arise
> from relying on this email's technical content is explicitly disclaimed.
> The author will in no case be liable for any monetary damages arising from
> such loss, damage or destruction.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 16:16, Alex Porcelli  wrote:
>
>> Hi Spark Devs,
>>
>> I'm reaching out to understand how you managed to include the Oracle
>> JDBC as one of your dependencies [1]. According to legal tickers
>> [2][3], this is considered a Category X dependency and is not allowed.
>>
>> (I'm part of the Apache KIE podling, and we are struggling with such a
>> dependency and being pointed out that you may have a solution to
>> share).
>>
>> [1] - https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/sql/core/pom.xml#L187
>> [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-526
>> [3] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-663
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>> Apache KIE
>>
>> -
>> To unsubscribe e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org
>>
>>

Re: [QUESTION] Legal dependency with Oracle JDBC driver

[Mich Talebzadeh]

Hi,

This is not an official response and should not be taken as an
official view. It is my own opinion.

Looking at the reference [1], I can see a host of inclusion to other JDBC
vendor' drivers such as IBM DB2 and MSSQL

With regard to link [2], it is already closed (3+ years) and it is assumed
that these references are taken as "convenience". There is no implication
that JDBC drivers are included on these releases, modified or not modified.
Oracle provides multiple JDBC drivers like ojdbc5.jar, ojdbc6.jar,
ojdbc7.jar, ojdbv11.jar and so forth, free to download and use within the
license (you need to have a valid login to Oracle Center)

This is what it says with regard to license

Governed by the No-clickthrough FDHUT license


I glanced through the license and did not find anything that
contravened Spark references as in [1] in
- spark 
- /sql 
- /core 
/pom.xml


HTH

Mich Talebzadeh,
Dad | Technologist | Solutions Architect | Engineer
London
United Kingdom


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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 16:16, Alex Porcelli  wrote:

> Hi Spark Devs,
>
> I'm reaching out to understand how you managed to include the Oracle
> JDBC as one of your dependencies [1]. According to legal tickers
> [2][3], this is considered a Category X dependency and is not allowed.
>
> (I'm part of the Apache KIE podling, and we are struggling with such a
> dependency and being pointed out that you may have a solution to
> share).
>
> [1] - https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/sql/core/pom.xml#L187
> [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-526
> [3] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-663
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
> Apache KIE
>
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>
>

[QUESTION] Legal dependency with Oracle JDBC driver

[Alex Porcelli]

Hi Spark Devs,

I'm reaching out to understand how you managed to include the Oracle
JDBC as one of your dependencies [1]. According to legal tickers
[2][3], this is considered a Category X dependency and is not allowed.

(I'm part of the Apache KIE podling, and we are struggling with such a
dependency and being pointed out that you may have a solution to
share).

[1] - https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/sql/core/pom.xml#L187
[2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-526
[3] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-663

Regards,

Alex
Apache KIE

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