Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache Storm and moving to the Attic
+1 for whatever makes Apache Storm to be maintained as long as possible, including my time if needed ! Alexandre Le ven. 3 févr. 2023 à 14:54, Richard Zowalla a écrit : > > Hi all, > > I am also +1 for Taylor as PMC and please count me in as well (my first > comment was a bit vague about it). > > Looks like, that the discussion is going well. We know see a lot of > involvement ;-) (didn't see that for years on this list!). > > Gruß > Richard > > > Am Freitag, dem 03.02.2023 um 13:20 + schrieb Julien Nioche: > > Hi, > > > > I'd be happy to get involved. I haven't delved deep into Storm's code > > but have been using it for years and my project StormCrawler relies > > heavily on it. I have been a committer on several Apache projects but > > not been active in any of them for a while. > > I know that there are loads of StormCrawler users and of course that > > also makes them Storm users. Even though a number of people might > > have moved to other platforms, I don't believe Storm is dead and > > maintenance mode is probably an accurate description. So if you are > > willing to lower the bar, please count me in and am definitely +1 for > > Taylor as a PMC chair. > > > > Cheers > > > > Julien > > > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 at 05:07, P. Taylor Goetz > > wrote: > > > IMO, there are tow scenarios: > > > > > > 1. Storm is in dead. No one uses it anymore, and no one needs > > > security patches, etc. > > > 2. Storm is in maintenance mode. While new features may not be > > > added, there are enough contributors left tp at least address any > > > security concerns. > > > > > > Wether we pursue the attic o projectr continuation is really up to > > > the community. Anyone who want to step up and help continue the > > > project should be considered a PMC candidate. > > > > > > As I’ve said in other threads, I’m willing to act as PMC chair > > > whatever the PMC decides. > > > > > > But for now we have ne official liaison to ther ASF board. PMC > > > members need to elect a chair, whether we choose to continue or > > > head to the attic. > > > > > > I would lean toward lowering the bar for PMC membership to anyone > > > interested in ongoing maintenance. > > > > > > I’m still willing to serve as the board liaison (PMC Chair) in > > > either case of retirement or continuation. I’d also support anyone > > > else willing to take the position. The position needs to be filled > > > either way. > > > > > > This is a decision that affects both developers and users. Thank > > > you Aaron for bringing it to the attention of the broader > > > community. > > > > > > -Taylor > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:26 PM, sunil yadav > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One side note looking to see what folks are migrating or moved to > > > > if not using Storm actively. Any cloud native DAG platform to > > > > recommend? > > > > > > > > -Sunil > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM Stephen Powis via user < > > > > u...@storm.apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Ah Yea, also not opposed to the move to the attic if it's > > > > > determined to be most appropriate, but I had a similar > > > > > experience as Richard where I submitted some PRs, asked for > > > > > comments/thoughts/review, and even offered to take over > > > > > ownership of one of the sub modules and got no responses. > > > > > Perhaps I just submitted under the wrong forum to get an > > > > > answer, but definitely a bummer, and would love to see the > > > > > project/community get revived. > > > > > > > > > > - Stephen > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:09 PM Richard Zowalla < > > > > > r...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am CC the users@ list as they weren't contained in the > > > > > > initial > > > > > > proposal. Perhaps, there are people or institutions in the > > > > > > wild, who > > > > > > want to volunteer or give it a try (still at the ASF level). > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it shouldn't prevent a VOTE for moving to the > > > > > > attic, but an > > > > > > additional try to get some more attention (if needed). > > > > > > > > > > > > Gruß > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Dienstag, dem 31.01.2023 um 08:00 -0600 schrieb Aaron > > > > > > Niskode- > > > > > > Dossett: > > > > > > > Thank you to those who responded. Given that the low number > > > > > > of > > > > > > > responses I > > > > > > > am going to start a vote on moving to the attic tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other note: A vote to move to the attic would not mean > > > > > > the end of > > > > > > > Storm, the project can be forked by anyone who wants to > > > > > > continue the > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > (just as it can be forked today), it would just be outside > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > ASF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM Richard Zowalla < > > > > > > r...@apache.org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also exp
Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache Storm and moving to the Attic
Hi all, I am also +1 for Taylor as PMC and please count me in as well (my first comment was a bit vague about it). Looks like, that the discussion is going well. We know see a lot of involvement ;-) (didn't see that for years on this list!). Gruß Richard Am Freitag, dem 03.02.2023 um 13:20 + schrieb Julien Nioche: > Hi, > > I'd be happy to get involved. I haven't delved deep into Storm's code > but have been using it for years and my project StormCrawler relies > heavily on it. I have been a committer on several Apache projects but > not been active in any of them for a while. > I know that there are loads of StormCrawler users and of course that > also makes them Storm users. Even though a number of people might > have moved to other platforms, I don't believe Storm is dead and > maintenance mode is probably an accurate description. So if you are > willing to lower the bar, please count me in and am definitely +1 for > Taylor as a PMC chair. > > Cheers > > Julien > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 at 05:07, P. Taylor Goetz > wrote: > > IMO, there are tow scenarios: > > > > 1. Storm is in dead. No one uses it anymore, and no one needs > > security patches, etc. > > 2. Storm is in maintenance mode. While new features may not be > > added, there are enough contributors left tp at least address any > > security concerns. > > > > Wether we pursue the attic o projectr continuation is really up to > > the community. Anyone who want to step up and help continue the > > project should be considered a PMC candidate. > > > > As I’ve said in other threads, I’m willing to act as PMC chair > > whatever the PMC decides. > > > > But for now we have ne official liaison to ther ASF board. PMC > > members need to elect a chair, whether we choose to continue or > > head to the attic. > > > > I would lean toward lowering the bar for PMC membership to anyone > > interested in ongoing maintenance. > > > > I’m still willing to serve as the board liaison (PMC Chair) in > > either case of retirement or continuation. I’d also support anyone > > else willing to take the position. The position needs to be filled > > either way. > > > > This is a decision that affects both developers and users. Thank > > you Aaron for bringing it to the attention of the broader > > community. > > > > -Taylor > > > > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:26 PM, sunil yadav > > > wrote: > > > > > > One side note looking to see what folks are migrating or moved to > > > if not using Storm actively. Any cloud native DAG platform to > > > recommend? > > > > > > -Sunil > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM Stephen Powis via user < > > > u...@storm.apache.org> wrote: > > > > Ah Yea, also not opposed to the move to the attic if it's > > > > determined to be most appropriate, but I had a similar > > > > experience as Richard where I submitted some PRs, asked for > > > > comments/thoughts/review, and even offered to take over > > > > ownership of one of the sub modules and got no responses. > > > > Perhaps I just submitted under the wrong forum to get an > > > > answer, but definitely a bummer, and would love to see the > > > > project/community get revived. > > > > > > > > - Stephen > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:09 PM Richard Zowalla < > > > > r...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > I am CC the users@ list as they weren't contained in the > > > > > initial > > > > > proposal. Perhaps, there are people or institutions in the > > > > > wild, who > > > > > want to volunteer or give it a try (still at the ASF level). > > > > > > > > > > Of course it shouldn't prevent a VOTE for moving to the > > > > > attic, but an > > > > > additional try to get some more attention (if needed). > > > > > > > > > > Gruß > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Dienstag, dem 31.01.2023 um 08:00 -0600 schrieb Aaron > > > > > Niskode- > > > > > Dossett: > > > > > > Thank you to those who responded. Given that the low number > > > > > of > > > > > > responses I > > > > > > am going to start a vote on moving to the attic tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > One other note: A vote to move to the attic would not mean > > > > > the end of > > > > > > Storm, the project can be forked by anyone who wants to > > > > > continue the > > > > > > work > > > > > > (just as it can be forked today), it would just be outside > > > > > of the > > > > > > ASF. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM Richard Zowalla < > > > > > r...@apache.org> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also experienced, that dev@ activity is quite low. I > > > > > did provide > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > PRs and asked questions a few months ago and didn't get > > > > > any > > > > > > > feedback, > > > > > > > although the PRs got merged in the end. I think, that we > > > > > need some > > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > of community rebuilding / revival, if we want to maintain > > > > > Storm in
Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache Storm and moving to the Attic
Hi, I'd be happy to get involved. I haven't delved deep into Storm's code but have been using it for years and my project StormCrawler relies heavily on it. I have been a committer on several Apache projects but not been active in any of them for a while. I know that there are loads of StormCrawler users and of course that also makes them Storm users. Even though a number of people might have moved to other platforms, I don't believe Storm is dead and maintenance mode is probably an accurate description. So if you are willing to lower the bar, please count me in and am definitely +1 for Taylor as a PMC chair. Cheers Julien On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 at 05:07, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > IMO, there are tow scenarios: > > 1. Storm is in dead. No one uses it anymore, and no one needs security > patches, etc. > 2. Storm is in maintenance mode. While new features may not be added, > there are enough contributors left tp at least address any security > concerns. > > Wether we pursue the attic o projectr continuation is really up to the > community. Anyone who want to step up and help continue the project should > be considered a PMC candidate. > > As I’ve said in other threads, I’m willing to act as PMC chair whatever > the PMC decides. > > But for now we have ne official liaison to ther ASF board. PMC members > need to elect a chair, whether we choose to continue or head to the attic. > > I would lean toward lowering the bar for PMC membership to anyone > interested in ongoing maintenance. > > I’m still willing to serve as the board liaison (PMC Chair) in either case > of retirement or continuation. I’d also support anyone else willing to take > the position. The position needs to be filled either way. > > This is a decision that affects both developers and users. Thank you Aaron > for bringing it to the attention of the broader community. > > -Taylor > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:26 PM, sunil yadav wrote: > > One side note looking to see what folks are migrating or moved to if not > using Storm actively. Any cloud native DAG platform to recommend? > > -Sunil > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM Stephen Powis via user < > u...@storm.apache.org> wrote: > >> Ah Yea, also not opposed to the move to the attic if it's determined to >> be most appropriate, but I had a similar experience as Richard where I >> submitted some PRs, asked for comments/thoughts/review, and even offered to >> take over ownership of one of the sub modules and got no responses. >> Perhaps I just submitted under the wrong forum to get an answer, but >> definitely a bummer, and would love to see the project/community get >> revived. >> >> - Stephen >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:09 PM Richard Zowalla wrote: >> >>> Hi Aaron, >>> >>> I am CC the users@ list as they weren't contained in the initial >>> proposal. Perhaps, there are people or institutions in the wild, who >>> want to volunteer or give it a try (still at the ASF level). >>> >>> Of course it shouldn't prevent a VOTE for moving to the attic, but an >>> additional try to get some more attention (if needed). >>> >>> Gruß >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Am Dienstag, dem 31.01.2023 um 08:00 -0600 schrieb Aaron Niskode- >>> Dossett: >>> > Thank you to those who responded. Given that the low number of >>> > responses I >>> > am going to start a vote on moving to the attic tomorrow. >>> > >>> > One other note: A vote to move to the attic would not mean the end of >>> > Storm, the project can be forked by anyone who wants to continue the >>> > work >>> > (just as it can be forked today), it would just be outside of the >>> > ASF. >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM Richard Zowalla >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi all, >>> > > >>> > > I also experienced, that dev@ activity is quite low. I did provide >>> > > some >>> > > PRs and asked questions a few months ago and didn't get any >>> > > feedback, >>> > > although the PRs got merged in the end. I think, that we need some >>> > > sort >>> > > of community rebuilding / revival, if we want to maintain Storm in >>> > > a >>> > > sustainable way (like it is done for TomEE or OpenNLP). >>> > > >>> > > Nevertheless, as I am also a committer on StormCrawler, which >>> > > relies on >>> > > Storm (obviously) _and_ is used in our research work, I am also >>> > > happy >>> > > to jump in as a volunteer, if some ppl are needed. >>> > > >>> > > Gruß >>> > > Richard >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 22:00 + schrieb Bipin Prasad: >>> > > > I am volunteering to take on the role of PMC chairFor Storm. Not >>> > > > quite sure about the process. >>> > > > Thanks—Bipin Prasad >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 4:50 PM, Aaron Niskode-Dossett < >>> > > > doss...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Hello Storm developer community, >>> > > > >>> > > > In the past year or so this project has slowed down and the >>> > > > Project >>> > > > Management Committee [PM
