Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 11:42:27AM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: Why do I top post? yes i am lazy! After being with gmail since it was in beta, I still don't have an option to god damned bottom-post by default!! FFS, wth? If you do something try to do it well. How much trouble is it to edit text before posting? This is not some chit chat in the alley, this is written comunication, and asynchorius too. So you have loads of time to read and understand content; as well as write comprehensable text, with needed formatting. And if you write code the way you write emails then possibly this is not the right place for you, or at least not for writing, yet.
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
Why do I top post? yes i am lazy! After being with gmail since it was in beta, I still don't have an option to god damned bottom-post by default!! On 7 November 2013 01:15, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: tldr On 11/6/13, Alexander Huemer alexander.hue...@xx.vu wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:38:35PM +0100, Alexander Huemer wrote: P.S. I passionately hate people who top-post, don't give enough details and cannot say hi or bye in an email. Well, this escalated quickly. Let's forget about this hi or bye thing. Top-posting though completely ruins a conversation on a mailing list. It's impossible to properly quote more than one past email of a thread. I do not understand why people do this. It makes me angry, because it shows very little respect for the communication partners on the mailing list. I have the expression that people who top-post never spend a single second thinking about the implications of their doings, no matter how many emails they write and read (and that can be thousands) where they could notice that _their_ doings ruined the quoting that other people tried to do. Top-posting is in the same category of doing as: - parking over two parking lots - not using the blinker - this [1] The common property of these doings is that the positive impact on the doer is very little and the negative impact on the receiver of the doing is big. Top posting saves 1..2 keystrokes in a decent MUA with a terrible effect on the whole mailing list and also for the person who has made the decision to top-post itself! This person itself is unable to properly reconstruct what happened in a thread from looking at a single email. The only possible conclusion I can draw is that top-posters aren't very clever. This would not bother me if this wouldn't steal time from all the people on all the mailing lists who try to help. For free (as in beer). I won't say anything about lack of details I initially criticized, because this email is already so long that many people already stopped before reaching this point. Kind regards, -Alex [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reihe_Einkaufswagen.JPG
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 11:42, Calvin Morrison wrote: Why do I top post? yes i am lazy! After being with gmail since it was in beta, I still don't have an option to god damned bottom-post by default!! Top posting or bottom posting isn't an option, it's determined by _where you click the mouse_. You're not supposed to just start typing where the cursor drops, you're supposed to edit out the bits of the quote that you're not replying to. I'm sick of people blaming their email clients and other people taking this at face value. What the hell would such an option _do_?
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
On 7 November 2013 11:45, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 11:42, Calvin Morrison wrote: Why do I top post? yes i am lazy! After being with gmail since it was in beta, I still don't have an option to god damned bottom-post by default!! Top posting or bottom posting isn't an option, it's determined by _where you click the mouse_. You're not supposed to just start typing where the cursor drops, you're supposed to edit out the bits of the quote that you're not replying to. Fair enough, but only if you have inline comments, plenty of times I have a response that isn't inline. I'm sick of people blaming their email clients and other people taking this at face value. What the hell would such an option _do_? The option would allow you to default respond to the person, and not all responses are inlined.
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
Calvin Morrison said: Why do I top post? yes i am lazy! After being with gmail since it was in beta, I still don't have an option to god damned bottom-post by default!! Then go and get any of the scripts to enable it. Or just install MUA. Top-posting since Gmail beta has nothing to do with being lazy - it is just showing disrespect to others. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
random...@fastmail.us said: Top posting or bottom posting isn't an option, it's determined by _where you click the mouse_. You're not supposed to just start typing where the cursor drops, you're supposed to edit out the bits of the quote that you're not replying to. You probably didn't use Gmail for a while - they now collapse quotes, and AFAIR don't allow typing below them. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
You can type below, it's just a PiTA Not possible on the JavaScriptless web client.
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
On 07/11/2013, Ryan O’Hara rni...@gmail.com wrote: You can type below, it's just a PiTA Not possible on the JavaScriptless web client. Yes it is, click more reply options
[dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:38:35PM +0100, Alexander Huemer wrote: P.S. I passionately hate people who top-post, don't give enough details and cannot say hi or bye in an email. Well, this escalated quickly. Let's forget about this hi or bye thing. Top-posting though completely ruins a conversation on a mailing list. It's impossible to properly quote more than one past email of a thread. I do not understand why people do this. It makes me angry, because it shows very little respect for the communication partners on the mailing list. I have the expression that people who top-post never spend a single second thinking about the implications of their doings, no matter how many emails they write and read (and that can be thousands) where they could notice that _their_ doings ruined the quoting that other people tried to do. Top-posting is in the same category of doing as: - parking over two parking lots - not using the blinker - this [1] The common property of these doings is that the positive impact on the doer is very little and the negative impact on the receiver of the doing is big. Top posting saves 1..2 keystrokes in a decent MUA with a terrible effect on the whole mailing list and also for the person who has made the decision to top-post itself! This person itself is unable to properly reconstruct what happened in a thread from looking at a single email. The only possible conclusion I can draw is that top-posters aren't very clever. This would not bother me if this wouldn't steal time from all the people on all the mailing lists who try to help. For free (as in beer). I won't say anything about lack of details I initially criticized, because this email is already so long that many people already stopped before reaching this point. Kind regards, -Alex [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reihe_Einkaufswagen.JPG
Re: [dev] Mailing list behavior - was: Question about arg.h
tldr On 11/6/13, Alexander Huemer alexander.hue...@xx.vu wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:38:35PM +0100, Alexander Huemer wrote: P.S. I passionately hate people who top-post, don't give enough details and cannot say hi or bye in an email. Well, this escalated quickly. Let's forget about this hi or bye thing. Top-posting though completely ruins a conversation on a mailing list. It's impossible to properly quote more than one past email of a thread. I do not understand why people do this. It makes me angry, because it shows very little respect for the communication partners on the mailing list. I have the expression that people who top-post never spend a single second thinking about the implications of their doings, no matter how many emails they write and read (and that can be thousands) where they could notice that _their_ doings ruined the quoting that other people tried to do. Top-posting is in the same category of doing as: - parking over two parking lots - not using the blinker - this [1] The common property of these doings is that the positive impact on the doer is very little and the negative impact on the receiver of the doing is big. Top posting saves 1..2 keystrokes in a decent MUA with a terrible effect on the whole mailing list and also for the person who has made the decision to top-post itself! This person itself is unable to properly reconstruct what happened in a thread from looking at a single email. The only possible conclusion I can draw is that top-posters aren't very clever. This would not bother me if this wouldn't steal time from all the people on all the mailing lists who try to help. For free (as in beer). I won't say anything about lack of details I initially criticized, because this email is already so long that many people already stopped before reaching this point. Kind regards, -Alex [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reihe_Einkaufswagen.JPG
