Re: [DISCUSS] Removal of Marko A. Rodriguez from Apache TinkerPop

2022-01-10 Thread Marko Rodriguez
Open like source.

* Nothing racist is implied or intended by that turn of phrase (recursive 
Kleene closure on that).

Marko.

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Stephen Mallette  wrote:
> 
> Marko, would you be open to a one-on-one conversation with me over video
> chat?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Marko Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping:
>> 
>>“Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to
>> this. I look back and think, once you took your recent corporate position
>> and then were put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software
>> development team, never mired in politics, into secret backdoor discussions
>> of what I can only presume to be of the nature  “What does he know? More
>> than what he mentioned? **k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to be
>> held hostage by some Nazi racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by who
>> has connected with me after hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from my
>> project. The people you have allied yourself with (for whatever reason) are
>> not of the caliber of person that I know you to be. I’ve known you for 15
>> years now, working closely in harmony over numerous companies, and while
>> I’m aware of your life stresses and what that can do to a man, I’m certain
>> you are not of their breed. Don’t sully your soul by remaining entangled
>> with an organization that was once the life blood of open source software
>> and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation with them and have come to
>> learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you, old friend — I will
>> continue to remain in my holding pattern.”
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Marko.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted
>> to
>>> let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Understood.
 
 Marko.
 
> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette 
 wrote:
> 
> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New
 Years
> Eve weekend.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Stephen,
>> 
>> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with
>> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if
>> so
>> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the
 following
>> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their
 closet
>> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to
 Apache
>> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the
>> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”).
>> 
>> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my
 side.
>> 
>> Thank you very much,
>> Marko.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the
 crime
>> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I
>> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired
 as to
>> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when
>> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover,
 if
>> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to
 judge
>> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this
>> statute
>> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the
>> following
>> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache
 TinkerPop.
>> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply
>> what
 I
>> believe fall within this fuzzy category.
>>> 
>>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of
>> me
>> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know,
>> the
>> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by
>> modern
>> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question:
 is
>> libel a violation of social norms?
>>> 
>>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If
>> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a
>> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed
 from
>> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a
>> violation
 of
>> social norms?
>>> 
>>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our
>> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in
>> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia wa

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove docs from zip distributions

2022-01-10 Thread David Bechberger
+1 to removing the docs from the zip folder to minimize the download size.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:44 AM Kelvin Lawrence 
wrote:

> If the docs for each release are available elsewhere it would seem
> reasonable to me to remove them from the Gremlin Server zip file to cut
> down the size of the releases which will be a nice win for people making
> forks of the tree.
> CheersKelvin
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:17:46 AM CST, Stephen Mallette <
> spmalle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  As I was working through the release, I noticed that the bulk of our 170Mb
> (which zips to 80Mb) of Gremlin Server zip distribution 50Mb is the docs
> and 94Mb is the javadoc. We have revisited this question in a while so I
> pose it here - is there value to including one or both of those or should
> we remove them to lighten the load?
>


Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.4.13 Release

2022-01-10 Thread Stephen Mallette
...and what January release would be complete without flubbing the year
in the changelog and upgrade docs? will fix that manually on the website
and in git.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 1:16 PM Stephen Mallette 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We are happy to announce that TinkerPop 3.4.13 is ready for release.
>
> The release artifacts can be found at this location:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/tinkerpop/3.4.13/
>
> The source distribution is provided by:
> apache-tinkerpop-3.4.13-src.zip
>
> Two binary distributions are provided for user convenience:
> apache-tinkerpop-gremlin-console-3.4.13-bin.zip
> apache-tinkerpop-gremlin-server-3.4.13-bin.zip
>
> The GPG key used to sign the release artifacts is available at:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/tinkerpop/KEYS
>
> The online docs can be found here:
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.4.13/ (user docs)
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.4.13/upgrade/ (upgrade docs)
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/javadocs/3.4.13/core/ (core javadoc)
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/javadocs/3.4.13/full/ (full javadoc)
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/dotnetdocs/3.4.13/ (.NET API docs)
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/jsdocs/3.4.13/ (Javascript API docs)
>
> The tag in Apache Git can be found here:
> https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/tree/3.4.13
>
> The release notes are available here:
> https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/blob/3.4.13/CHANGELOG.asciidoc
>
> The [VOTE] will be open for the next 72 hours --- closing Thursday(January
> 13, 2022) at 10:30am ET.
>
> My vote is +1.
>


[VOTE] TinkerPop 3.4.13 Release

2022-01-10 Thread Stephen Mallette
Hello,

We are happy to announce that TinkerPop 3.4.13 is ready for release.

The release artifacts can be found at this location:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/tinkerpop/3.4.13/

The source distribution is provided by:
apache-tinkerpop-3.4.13-src.zip

Two binary distributions are provided for user convenience:
apache-tinkerpop-gremlin-console-3.4.13-bin.zip
apache-tinkerpop-gremlin-server-3.4.13-bin.zip

The GPG key used to sign the release artifacts is available at:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/tinkerpop/KEYS

The online docs can be found here:
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.4.13/ (user docs)
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.4.13/upgrade/ (upgrade docs)
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/javadocs/3.4.13/core/ (core javadoc)
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/javadocs/3.4.13/full/ (full javadoc)
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/dotnetdocs/3.4.13/ (.NET API docs)
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/jsdocs/3.4.13/ (Javascript API docs)

The tag in Apache Git can be found here:
https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/tree/3.4.13

The release notes are available here:
https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/blob/3.4.13/CHANGELOG.asciidoc

The [VOTE] will be open for the next 72 hours --- closing Thursday(January
13, 2022) at 10:30am ET.

My vote is +1.


Re: [DISCUSS] Remove docs from zip distributions

2022-01-10 Thread Kelvin Lawrence
If the docs for each release are available elsewhere it would seem reasonable 
to me to remove them from the Gremlin Server zip file to cut down the size of 
the releases which will be a nice win for people making forks of the tree.
CheersKelvin
On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:17:46 AM CST, Stephen Mallette 
 wrote:  
 
 As I was working through the release, I noticed that the bulk of our 170Mb
(which zips to 80Mb) of Gremlin Server zip distribution 50Mb is the docs
and 94Mb is the javadoc. We have revisited this question in a while so I
pose it here - is there value to including one or both of those or should
we remove them to lighten the load?
  

[DISCUSS] Remove docs from zip distributions

2022-01-10 Thread Stephen Mallette
As I was working through the release, I noticed that the bulk of our 170Mb
(which zips to 80Mb) of Gremlin Server zip distribution 50Mb is the docs
and 94Mb is the javadoc. We have revisited this question in a while so I
pose it here - is there value to including one or both of those or should
we remove them to lighten the load?


Re: [DISCUSS] Removal of Marko A. Rodriguez from Apache TinkerPop

2022-01-10 Thread Stephen Mallette
Marko, would you be open to a one-on-one conversation with me over video
chat?

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Marko Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping:
>
> “Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to
> this. I look back and think, once you took your recent corporate position
> and then were put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software
> development team, never mired in politics, into secret backdoor discussions
> of what I can only presume to be of the nature  “What does he know? More
> than what he mentioned? **k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to be
> held hostage by some Nazi racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by who
> has connected with me after hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from my
> project. The people you have allied yourself with (for whatever reason) are
> not of the caliber of person that I know you to be. I’ve known you for 15
> years now, working closely in harmony over numerous companies, and while
> I’m aware of your life stresses and what that can do to a man, I’m certain
> you are not of their breed. Don’t sully your soul by remaining entangled
> with an organization that was once the life blood of open source software
> and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation with them and have come to
> learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you, old friend — I will
> continue to remain in my holding pattern.”
>
> Take care,
> Marko.
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted
> to
> > let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Understood.
> >>
> >> Marko.
> >>
> >>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New
> >> Years
> >>> Eve weekend.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hey Stephen,
> 
>  Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with
>  inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if
> so
>  2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the
> >> following
>  sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their
> >> closet
>  so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to
> >> Apache
>  and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the
>  project for telling jokes on Twitter?”).
> 
>  If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my
> >> side.
> 
>  Thank you very much,
>  Marko.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the
> >> crime
>  of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I
>  “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired
> >> as to
>  where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when
>  providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover,
> >> if
>  the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to
> >> judge
>  people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this
> statute
>  should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the
> following
>  “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache
> >> TinkerPop.
>  Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply
> what
> >> I
>  believe fall within this fuzzy category.
> >
> > 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of
> me
>  being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know,
> the
>  Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by
> modern
>  folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question:
> >> is
>  libel a violation of social norms?
> >
> > 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If
>  threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a
>  break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed
> >> from
>  his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a
> violation
> >> of
>  social norms?
> >
> > 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our
>  private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in
>  photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him
> (I
>  assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to
> joke
>  (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as
> I
>  think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never

[jira] [Commented] (TINKERPOP-2639) Remove previously deprecated GryoMessageSerializer infrastructure

2022-01-10 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (Jira)


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divijvaidya commented on pull request #1536:
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   Vote +1
   
   Please feel free to ship after addressing Florian's comments.


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> Remove previously deprecated GryoMessageSerializer infrastructure
> -
>
> Key: TINKERPOP-2639
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TINKERPOP-2639
> Project: TinkerPop
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>  Components: io
>Affects Versions: 3.4.12
>Reporter: Stephen Mallette
>Assignee: Stephen Mallette
>Priority: Minor
>  Labels: breaking
> Fix For: 3.6.0
>
>
> {{application/vnd.gremlin-v1.0+gryo-lite}} was deprecated in 3.2.6 and and 
> Gryo message serializers in general were serialized around the time 
> GraphBinary was added. They have just managed to hang in there. Seems safe to 
> remove it in 3.6.0.



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