Open like source. * Nothing racist is implied or intended by that turn of phrase (recursive Kleene closure on that).
Marko. > On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marko, would you be open to a one-on-one conversation with me over video > chat? > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping: >> >> “Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to >> this. I look back and think, once you took your recent corporate position >> and then were put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software >> development team, never mired in politics, into secret backdoor discussions >> of what I can only presume to be of the nature “What does he know? More >> than what he mentioned? **k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to be >> held hostage by some Nazi racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by who >> has connected with me after hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from my >> project. The people you have allied yourself with (for whatever reason) are >> not of the caliber of person that I know you to be. I’ve known you for 15 >> years now, working closely in harmony over numerous companies, and while >> I’m aware of your life stresses and what that can do to a man, I’m certain >> you are not of their breed. Don’t sully your soul by remaining entangled >> with an organization that was once the life blood of open source software >> and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation with them and have come to >> learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you, old friend — I will >> continue to remain in my holding pattern.” >> >> Take care, >> Marko. >> >> >>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted >> to >>> let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Understood. >>>> >>>> Marko. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New >>>> Years >>>>> Eve weekend. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Stephen, >>>>>> >>>>>> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with >>>>>> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if >> so >>>>>> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the >>>> following >>>>>> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their >>>> closet >>>>>> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to >>>> Apache >>>>>> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the >>>>>> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my >>>> side. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much, >>>>>> Marko. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the >>>> crime >>>>>> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I >>>>>> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired >>>> as to >>>>>> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when >>>>>> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover, >>>> if >>>>>> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to >>>> judge >>>>>> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this >> statute >>>>>> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the >> following >>>>>> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache >>>> TinkerPop. >>>>>> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply >> what >>>> I >>>>>> believe fall within this fuzzy category. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of >> me >>>>>> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, >> the >>>>>> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by >> modern >>>>>> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question: >>>> is >>>>>> libel a violation of social norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If >>>>>> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a >>>>>> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed >>>> from >>>>>> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a >> violation >>>> of >>>>>> social norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our >>>>>> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in >>>>>> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him >> (I >>>>>> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to >> joke >>>>>> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as >> I >>>>>> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard >> from >>>>>> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our >> private >>>>>> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the >> TinkerPop >>>>>> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact, >>>>>> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” >> He >>>>>> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help >>>> fight >>>>>> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding >>>> went >>>>>> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know >> you >>>> are >>>>>> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed >>>> odd >>>>>> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me >>>>>> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with >>>> my >>>>>> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding >>>> pushed >>>>>> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist. >>>> The >>>>>> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a >>>> violation >>>>>> of social norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It >>>>>> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when >> I >>>> was >>>>>> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a >>>>>> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of >>>> social >>>>>> norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some >>>> social >>>>>> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing >>>> those >>>>>> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made >> aware >>>> of. >>>>>> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what >> real >>>>>> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into >> those, >>>> but >>>>>> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a >> person >>>> if >>>>>> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can >> steal >>>>>> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against >>>> it.” >>>>>> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws >>>> stones, >>>>>> is that not a violation of social norms? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s >>>>>> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we >>>> have >>>>>> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right >>>> after I >>>>>> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but >> never >>>>>> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many >> years >>>>>> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging? >>>>>> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting >>>>>> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure >> an >>>>>> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors >>>>>> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I >>>>>> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this >>>>>> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the >>>>>> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially >>>>>> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental >>>>>> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by >>>> violating >>>>>> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such >>>> abilities >>>>>> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for >>>> those >>>>>> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the >> ‘flavor >>>> of >>>>>> the day’ words/jokes/etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in >>>> good >>>>>> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded >> to >>>> any >>>>>> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me >>>>>> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is >>>>>> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If >>>> more >>>>>> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can >> provide >>>>>> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent >> times >>>>>> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue >>>> would >>>>>> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source >>>>>> software to flourish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Marko A. Rodriguez >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>
