[tools-dev] Re: Comments on Mathias blog post about contributing

2009-09-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Frank Schoenheit frank.schoenheit at sun.com writes:

 Don't think this is a good idea, since a test can be broken in different
 ways. For instance, if your test checks 10 aspects, and one of them is
 broken in MWS, you still want to know if the other 9 are okay in your
 CWS. Otherwise, you'll notice a breakage in those 9 only when the one
 failure is fixed, and the whole test re-enabled in MWS.
If a test checks for 10 things at once and in an atomic operation it is broken
by design anyway. That would need to be fixed thus eliminating the problem,
IMHO.

Best Regards,

Bjoern






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[tools-dev] test granularity (was: [tools-dev] Re: Comments on Mathias blog post about contributing)

2009-09-23 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Bjoern,

 If a test checks for 10 things at once and in an atomic operation it is broken
 by design anyway. That would need to be fixed thus eliminating the problem,
 IMHO.

This depends on the definition of test, test case, etc. - which
might yield a longer discussion than is really appropriate here. For the
moment, I just would like to state that I don't think your statement is
true, in this generality.

Ciao
Frank
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Re: [tools-dev] Re: Comments on Mathias blog post about contributing

2009-09-23 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Rene,

 Last occurance of Sun not caring about configure at all

It would make discussions easier if you would learn to stick to facts,
and refrain from ungrounded accusations.

If we (Sun) would not care about configure at all, there would be much
much more problems. Usually, whenever we change something in the build
environment, we *do* care for configure. Of course that's not perfect,
and tends to break in some circumstances (not really surprising with the
*dozens* of switches, which are more or less orthogonal), but that's not
per se different from any other place in OOo's huge code base.

And yes, if the Sun-internal build env would use configure, then
breakages would be more seldom, no doubt.

Ciao
Frank

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[tools-dev] Re: Comments on Mathias blog post about contributing

2009-09-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Rene Engelhard rene at openoffice.org writes:

 That would need Sun people actually touching configure when they
 change their defaults. [...]

Please read mst's mail again. Especially the last sentence. The problem is well-
known, we know how to fix it (by using configure for all build): the only 
problem
is lack of resources.

Best Regards,

Bjoern


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