Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure

2014-09-19 Thread Henrik Skupin
As I have read [1] that Google will drop support for 32bit mode of
Chrome with the upcoming 39 release in November. I wonder what our
support plans for 32bit mode on OS X look like. Is it something we want
to keep, to allow e.g. users of Chrome, who cannot run a 64bit version
of Chrome, to switch over to Firefox? Or is it something we would like
to follow?

I just wonder because of bugs like 960509, which went unnoticed for a
while. Do we actually  have test coverage of the 32bit version via TBPL,
or not at all? How stable are we? Would we be able to catch regressions
in the case of no tests are running for this mode?

Via bug 967055 there is at least the question to enable Mozmill tests
for the 32bit binary. Before I want to continue with it, I would like to
have some feedback here first.

Thanks,
Henrik

[1]
http://googleappsupdates.blogspot.de/2014/09/google-chrome-64-bit-for-mac-and-windows.html
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RE: Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure

2014-09-19 Thread Robert Strong
Regarding dropping support, Silverlight on Mac does not support 64 bit and
we run it using 32 bit. So at the very least we will need html5 for sites
like Netflix before we can drop 32 bit support on OS X.

Robert

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 Subject: Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure
 
 As I have read [1] that Google will drop support for 32bit mode of
Chrome with
 the upcoming 39 release in November. I wonder what our support plans for
 32bit mode on OS X look like. Is it something we want to keep, to allow
e.g.
 users of Chrome, who cannot run a 64bit version of Chrome, to switch
over to
 Firefox? Or is it something we would like to follow?
 
 I just wonder because of bugs like 960509, which went unnoticed for a
while.
 Do we actually  have test coverage of the 32bit version via TBPL, or not
at all?
 How stable are we? Would we be able to catch regressions in the case of
no
 tests are running for this mode?
 
 Via bug 967055 there is at least the question to enable Mozmill tests
for the
 32bit binary. Before I want to continue with it, I would like to have
some
 feedback here first.
 
 Thanks,
 Henrik
 
 [1]
 http://googleappsupdates.blogspot.de/2014/09/google-chrome-64-bit-for-
 mac-and-windows.html
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W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-19 Thread L. David Baron
W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the
stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation):

  http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/
  HTML5

There's a call for review to W3C member companies (of which Mozilla
is one) open until October 14.

This specification is largely based on a snapshot of the WHATWG's
HTML specification, written by Ian Hickson.

If there are comments you think Mozilla should send as part of the
review, or if you think Mozilla should voice support or opposition
to the specification, please say so in this thread.  (I'd note,
however, that there have been many previous opportunities to make
comments, so it's somewhat bad form to bring up fundamental issues
for the first time at this stage.)

One of the open issues being raised in this review is the status of
the spec's normative reference to the URL specification.  The
specification currently references http://www.w3.org/TR/url/ ; it
might be possible for us to suggest that it instead reference either
http://url.spec.whatwg.org/ or
https://whatwg.org/specs/url/2014-07-30/ (although if we did so, it
would probably be best for somebody to raise the issue elsewhere in
addition to it just being part of our review).

I expect the finalization of this specification at W3C to be a big
event, compared to other specifications.

-David

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Re: ES6 lexical temporal dead zone has landed on central

2014-09-19 Thread Jeff Walden
On 09/18/2014 04:18 PM, Kent James wrote:
 Substituting var for let does not result in code that behaves identically to 
 previous code, so I can't see why that would be proposed.

The proposal would be to perform the substitution only for let at body level 
of a function.  (And for global let -- which requires its own semantic changes, 
see bug 589199, that are in progress but not complete yet.)  So this:

let s = valid;
{ let s = invalid;}
dump(s);

would be converted to this:

var s = valid;
{ let s = invalid;}
dump(s);

with no semantic change.

This substitution is absolutely not a good idea in the long run.  In the short 
run, for a release or two...maybe.  But that's a vry hesitant maybe.  I'm 
leery of introducing these deviations into the language, such that people write 
code expecting the standard semantics and are surprised to find the code 
doesn't work as expected in other contexts.  How should addons that inject code 
into pages behave, for that code?  Is this something that an addon author could 
easily predict?  I could well imagine it working either way.  I'd really rather 
not go down this path if we can help it.

Jeff
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Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-19 Thread Boris Zbarsky

On 9/19/14, 8:23 PM, L. David Baron wrote:

W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the
stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation):


The biggest issue I have with this is exiting CR without anything 
resembling a comprehensive enough test suite to ensure anything like 
interop on some of the core hard pieces (they left out the navigation 
algorithm, smart, but still have the bogus WindowProxy spec in this 
supposed PR, for example).


My second biggest issue is that I don't have a concrete proposal for 
addressing this the first issue.


Maybe it all doesn't matter too much as long as implementors keep 
reading the whatwg spec instead.


-Boris
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