Re: Intent to ship: vertical text support (CSS writing-mode and related properties)

2015-07-01 Thread Jonathan Kew

On 1/7/15 13:06, Sebastian Zartner wrote:

CSS Logical Properties Level 1 doesn't even in WD status yet. Therefore
I assume everything in there can still change fundamentally.
So are you sure logical properties should be shipped already? Could the
writing mode features perhaps be shipped independently from the logical
properties?


The writing-mode features are much less useful/usable without the 
support of logical properties. E.g. the default HTML and UA stylesheets 
require the use of logical properties to get reasonable rendering 
behavior in vertical writing modes for many elements. Author stylesheets 
and libraries that want to be usable with both horizontal and vertical 
modes will similarly need to use the logical properties.


(Note that Blink, for example, has been shipping prefixed logical 
properties along with its prefixed writing-mode implementation for some 
time. I don't think shipping one without the other is really workable; 
and given that prefixing is now out of fashion, and that the WG seems to 
be happy with the properties in the current ED, I think it's appropriate 
for us to move forward. I'd expect the browsers that are currently 
shipping prefixed versions based on older naming ideas will migrate to 
the currently-specified names when they unprefix their implementations.)


JK



This is not valuing the status of the implementation, just a note about
the status of the logical properties spec.

Sebastian



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Re: Intent to ship: vertical text support (CSS writing-mode and related properties)

2015-07-01 Thread Sebastian Zartner
CSS Logical Properties Level 1 doesn't even in WD status yet. Therefore I
assume everything in there can still change fundamentally.
So are you sure logical properties should be shipped already? Could the
writing mode features perhaps be shipped independently from the logical
properties?

This is not valuing the status of the implementation, just a note about the
status of the logical properties spec.

Sebastian

On 1 July 2015 at 12:30, Jonathan Kew  wrote:

> On 1/7/15 11:21, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
>
>> So tables and flexbox will be fixed in 41 too?
>>
>
> Both of them are "largely working" in 41 at this point; I believe they're
> usable for most common use-cases. For tables, the main limitation is that
>  is not yet placed correctly; that should follow in 42 (or
> possibly 41 if we decide it's upliftable). dholbert knows the status of
> flexbox better than I do.
>
> JK
>
>
>
>> Congratulations on nearing the end of such a long and difficult project!
>>
>> Rob
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Re: Intent to ship: vertical text support (CSS writing-mode and related properties)

2015-07-01 Thread Jonathan Kew

On 1/7/15 11:21, Robert O'Callahan wrote:

So tables and flexbox will be fixed in 41 too?


Both of them are "largely working" in 41 at this point; I believe 
they're usable for most common use-cases. For tables, the main 
limitation is that  is not yet placed correctly; that should 
follow in 42 (or possibly 41 if we decide it's upliftable). dholbert 
knows the status of flexbox better than I do.


JK



Congratulations on nearing the end of such a long and difficult project!

Rob
--
oIo otoeololo oyooouo otohoaoto oaonoyooonoeo owohooo oioso oaonogoroyo
owoiotoho oao oboroootohoeoro oooro osoiosotoeoro owoiololo oboeo
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o‘oRoaocoao,o’o oioso
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Re: Intent to ship: vertical text support (CSS writing-mode and related properties)

2015-07-01 Thread Robert O'Callahan
So tables and flexbox will be fixed in 41 too?

Congratulations on nearing the end of such a long and difficult project!

Rob
-- 
oIo otoeololo oyooouo otohoaoto oaonoyooonoeo owohooo oioso oaonogoroyo
owoiotoho oao oboroootohoeoro oooro osoiosotoeoro owoiololo oboeo
osouobojoeocoto otooo ojouodogomoeonoto.o oAogoaoiono,o oaonoyooonoeo
owohooo
osoaoyoso otooo oao oboroootohoeoro oooro osoiosotoeoro,o o‘oRoaocoao,o’o
oioso
oaonosowoeoroaoboloeo otooo otohoeo ocooouoroto.o oAonodo oaonoyooonoeo
owohooo
osoaoyoso,o o‘oYooouo ofolo!o’o owoiololo oboeo oiono odoaonogoeoro
ooofo
otohoeo ofoioroeo ooofo ohoeololo.
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