Re: urgent testing call: F13 kernel-2.6.33.1-24.fc13

2010-04-08 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:17 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for their testing, it's greatly appreciated. Based on
 the positive response here and on forums, we spun a new RC of the beta
 with the -24 kernel included, so now if you still want to help testing,
 please test that. See
 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2010-April/61.html 
 .

Now that testing of f-13-beta rc#5 has commenced, shouldn't this kernel
have appeared as an update through yum?


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Re: F-13-Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #2 @ 2010-04-08 00:00 UTC Recap

2010-04-08 Thread Mat Booth
On 8 April 2010 01:33, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
 Greetings,

 Representatives from Fedora QA, Rel-Eng and Development met on IRC to
 review whether the Fedora 13 Beta release criteria [1] have been met.
 The team agreed that the Beta criteria *have* been met with
 F-13-Beta-RC5.  For additional details, please refer to the attached
 minutes.

 Thanks,
 James

 [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Beta_Release_Criteria

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Wiki Freeze Reminder

2010-04-08 Thread John J. McDonough
In just over a week, on April 19, the wiki will freeze for Release Notes
for Fedora 13.  If you have content you would like to see the the
Release Notes go to:

  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats

and click on the most appropriate beat.  Add your content there.

Note that the content will be reviewed and edited so there is no need to
be concerned that your prose is exactly perfect.  If you are pressed for
time, a few words about what changed along with a link to more detail
would be fine.  The Docs Project needs to know what you have provided
for F13 before it can write about it!

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Re: F-13-Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #2 @ 2010-04-08 00:00 UTC Recap

2010-04-08 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 11:30 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
 On 8 April 2010 01:33, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
  Greetings,
 
  Representatives from Fedora QA, Rel-Eng and Development met on IRC to
  review whether the Fedora 13 Beta release criteria [1] have been met.
  The team agreed that the Beta criteria *have* been met with
  F-13-Beta-RC5.  For additional details, please refer to the attached
  minutes.
 
  Thanks,
  James
 
  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Beta_Release_Criteria
 
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Hi Mat, 

You can find the list of Common problems, and notes on how to contribute
bugs to the list, at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs

There are several bugs tagged for addition to this page, so I suspect
the content will change before F-13-Beta is released.

Thanks,
James




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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 Folks,
 
 In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5.
snip
 2). The new install has no networking because the 432b reversion part is
 unsupported by the b43 Open Source driver (they are working on it).

Look for the n-phy patches at:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.bcm54xx.devel

I'm hoping for a proper upstream driver as well.

snip
 3). Sound won't work out of the box, but it will (including the
 headphone detection) if you do the following:
 
 rpm -e alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

Urgh. Don't do that. Don't ever do that.

 Then alsamixer will show all of the channel options, which you should
 set to 100% volume for now.

alsamixer -c 0
would have done the same thing.

  The GNOME volume controls will now work. Add
 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio to and exclude line /etc/yum.conf to prevent
 it ever getting installed again.

When you could have file a bug instead, against ALSA, so that the unmute
code can be fixed for your sound card.

snip
 6). The backlit keyboard and controls aren't showing up or working. I
 can live without these until I get chance to figure that out.

Only pommed knows how to handle that right now, and it's not in Fedora
(and shouldn't be). Instead the support for light sensors and keyboard
backlight should be added to upower.

It's on my very long TODO list.

 7). The webcam isn't working out of the box and nor is bluetooth. There
 are instructions online covering these.

Why isn't bluetooth working out of the box? It certainly works fine on
my Macbook Air (1,1).

File bugs, file bugs, file bugs:
http://www.hadess.net/2008/06/how-not-to-do-laptop-support-page.html

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Re: F-13-Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #2 @ 2010-04-08 00:00 UTC Recap

2010-04-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 11:30:12AM +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
 On 8 April 2010 01:33, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
  Greetings,
 
  Representatives from Fedora QA, Rel-Eng and Development met on IRC to
  review whether the Fedora 13 Beta release criteria [1] have been met.
  The team agreed that the Beta criteria *have* been met with
  F-13-Beta-RC5.  For additional details, please refer to the attached
  minutes.
 
  Thanks,
  James
 
  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Beta_Release_Criteria
 
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Re: vga_switcharoo

2010-04-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 08:27:12PM -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
 On 04/07/2010 08:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
  Well, I would think that if you boot with the Intel adapter active, it
  wouldn't power up the NVIDIA one. But I'm just guessing :)
 
   I guessed the same, until google found claims to the contrary '-)

nouveau has powered down the nvidia if it's not in use for some time 
now.

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syslog-ng

2010-04-08 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello,

I'm helping to upgrade syslog-ng to current version in major Linux
distributions. I would like to ask, if you could update syslog-ng to
version 3.1. I'm working on the openSUSE version of syslog-ng 3.1 (
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/czanik:/branches:/Base:/System/openSUSE_Factory/src/
), and it is also being upgraded in Debian (
http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/syslog-ng.html ) and Gentoo (
http://gentoo.linuxhowtos.org/portage/app-admin/syslog-ng ) and Mandriva
( http://sophie.zarb.org/viewrpm/b8182fa1eee109cc655a020a2cb62f5f ).

For a complete list of changes, please see:
http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.0.5/changelog-en.txt
http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.1.0/changelog-en.txt

Major changes from the packaging point of view:

- addition of new utilities:
/usr/bin/pdbtool
/usr/sbin/syslog-ng-ctl

- apparmor (or SElinux in case of Fedora) needs some extra permissions:
/var/run/syslog-ng.ctl rw,
/var/run/syslog-ng/additional-log-sockets.conf r,
capability sys_tty_config,

Version 3.0 also added SSL support among many other changes, but that
can't be enabled on openSUSE (configure arg: --disable-ssl): syslog-ng
is in /sbin, openssl libs are in /usr/lib, linking from /usr is not
allowed in /, and SSL is not available statically for security reasons.
As far as I can see (I have a Fedora 13 snapshot installed in vmware),
Fedora has the same problem.

Please let me know, if you need any additional help/information to get
syslog-ng updated for Fedora.

Best regards,
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Re: syslog-ng

2010-04-08 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 04:02:54PM +0200, Peter Czanik wrote:

 Version 3.0 also added SSL support among many other changes, but that
 can't be enabled on openSUSE (configure arg: --disable-ssl): syslog-ng
 is in /sbin, openssl libs are in /usr/lib, linking from /usr is not
 allowed in /, and SSL is not available statically for security reasons.
 As far as I can see (I have a Fedora 13 snapshot installed in vmware),
 Fedora has the same problem.

OpenSSL being in /usr/lib instead of /lib is a regression that was
introduced in Fedora 11 afaics and partly broke pam_mount:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559953
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239375

Hopefully it will be moved back to /lib eventually and then syslog-ng
could use SSL support, too.

Regards
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[Test-Announce] 2010-03-30 - SSSD By Default Test Day report

2010-04-08 Thread James Laska
Greetings folks,

Thanks to all those who attended and contributed testing during the SSSD
by default test day.  We didn't anticipate a huge number of
participants, but given the revised authconfig user-interface, and that
SSSD will be used by default, we hoped for a larger turnout.  If you
weren't able to participate during the event, no worries.  You can still
participate, by running one or more of the test cases [1] in your
environment.

The following issues were reported during the test day:

  * 578303 NEW  - SSSD users cannot log in through GDM
  * 578231 NEW  - Add checkbox 'Allow authentication via self-signed
certificates'
  * 578124 ASSIGNED  - Get unknow error box when change password
  * 578219 ASSIGNED  - Configuring ldaps:// + cacert does not run
cacert_rehash on downloaded certificate
  * 578325 ASSIGNED  - authconfig uses sss for automount
  * 578311 ON_QA  - authconfig doesn't remember [X] Use TLS to
encrypt connection setting
  * 577263 ON_QA  - Changing authentication providers crashes
authconfig

For the full result matrix, refer to the test day wiki page [2]

Thanks,
James

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SSSD_Test_Cases
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-30_SSSDByDefault



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2010-04-08 Thread Iain Arnell
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rpms/perl-App-Cmd/F-13 .cvsignore, 1.7, 1.8 perl-App-Cmd.spec, 1.12, 1.13 sources, 1.8, 1.9

2010-04-08 Thread Iain Arnell
Author: iarnell

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2010-04-08 Thread Iain Arnell
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Re: gtkmm24 updates to F13 (was Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13)

2010-04-08 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 07:51 +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
 Yikes, I'm pretty stumped. How can we deal with such a burdensome 
 process for something that is not even released yet ? Unfortunately I do 
 not have the spare time nor the patience to go through with it, I will 
 have to pass the buck on this. Heck I can't even create scratch builds 
 for my own testing. 

You can file a ticket asking for a build target that self updates for
the purpose of performing all the builds necessary.  The KDE folks have
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PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I
don't want to break anything.

We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora: 
  * polkit-gnome
  * polkit-kde
  * lxpolkit

As you can see lxpolkit has the shortest name and will therefore be
chosen by yum if anything requires PolicyKit-authentication-agent (ATM
system-config-samba and system-config-services). There is no problem
having several agents installed but we need to make sure that only one
gets started at a time.

Suggestion:
GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window
managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit.

Rationale:
 1. lxpolkit has the least dependencies. Currently polkit-gnome
doesn't require anything but gtk2 ether, but I guess it will
require GConf2 again once the group policy editor is ready
(Please correct me if my assumption is wrong)
 2. lxpolkit is the smallest package.
 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.

Implementation:
 1. Desktops are to have their authentication agent as required or
default in comps, so the proper agent gets installed with the
desktop.
 2. The desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart get OnlyShowIn/NotShowIn
keys:
  * polkit-gnome gets OnlyShowIn=GNOME; (currently
NotShowIn=KDE;)
  * polkit-kde gets OnlyShowIn=KDE; (done)
  * lxpolkit gets NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE; (done, LXDE is
currently not supported as OnlyShowIn environment, this
requires desktop-file-utils = 0.16 which is only
available rawhide and F-13 updates-testing.)
 3. Changes are released in one update

Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something?

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Re: gtkmm24 updates to F13 (was Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13)

2010-04-08 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 07:51:42AM +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
 On 04/07/2010 09:35 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
  On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:37:25 +0200, Denis wrote:
 
  On 04/07/2010 08:30 AM, Mamoru Tasaka wrote:
  Denis Leroy wrote, at 04/07/2010 03:20 PM +9:00:
  On 03/08/2010 04:37 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
  The buildroots are populated from packages in the:
 
  dist-f13
  dist-f13-override
  dist-f12-updates
 
  tags.  If a package isn't in one of those tags, it's not going to be in 
  the
  buildroot.  If you need to build against a newer version of a package, 
  then you
  need to file a ticket on the rel-eng trac instance asking for a 
  buildroot
  override (which will get it tagged into dist-f13-override).
 
  Sorry to revive this old thread, but does this imply that one cannot use
  'make chain-build' for F-13 updates then ?
 
  Yes.
 
  Thanks Mamoru-san,
 
  Well, this is not the most motivating news.
 
  How easy is it for releng to create a custom buildroot/tag, which
  could be used instead of working with an override tag?
 
 Yikes, I'm pretty stumped. How can we deal with such a burdensome 
 process for something that is not even released yet ? Unfortunately I do 
 not have the spare time nor the patience to go through with it, I will 
 have to pass the buck on this. Heck I can't even create scratch builds 
 for my own testing.

Another possibility is to set up your own 'smock' instance.  We used
this when test-building all the Fedora cross-compiler packages.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:


 Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something?

There are a few complications here: currently, both gnome-session and
gdm explicitly require polkit-gnome. gdm has to require it explicitly,
since it needs to install a separate desktop file
in /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/ which launches it.

Or maybe, with OnlyShowIn, it won't hurt.


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[Bug 580620] New: need an EL5 version

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: need an EL5 version

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=580620

   Summary: need an EL5 version
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-SGML-Parser-OpenSP
AssignedTo: ville.sky...@iki.fi
ReportedBy: nathan...@gnat.ca
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, ville.sky...@iki.fi
Classification: Fedora


Hello, I'm trying to get w3c-markup-validator for EL5, this is in the
dependency chain. I can maintain the branch if needed.

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[Bug 580618] New: need an EL5 version

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: need an EL5 version

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=580618

   Summary: need an EL5 version
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-HTML-Encoding
AssignedTo: ville.sky...@iki.fi
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I'd like to request a branch for EL5. I want to get the w3c-markup-validator
for EL5, this is a package in the dependency chain. If needed I can maintain
that branch if you are unwilling to.

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nouveau rebase for future kernels

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
Folks,

This may have come up already (and I don't mean upstream :) ) but am
interested to know what the plans are in F12 wrt. nouveau updates. Is
there a plan to eventually rebase the kernel to 2.6.34? (and with it,
requiring a non-backwards compatible update to xorg-x11-drv-nouveau?)

If there is not, is there any way (other than building them manually) of
getting an X driver that can work with more recent kernels in F12? I am
not personally a fan of rebasing so I think I would rather deal with
having to rebuild the X driver myself, but in my perfect world maybe
someone has done this already and can share.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal


On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:

 I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I
 don't want to break anything.

 We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora:
  * polkit-gnome
  * polkit-kde
  * lxpolkit

 As you can see lxpolkit has the shortest name and will therefore be
 chosen by yum if anything requires PolicyKit-authentication-agent (ATM
 system-config-samba and system-config-services). There is no problem
 having several agents installed but we need to make sure that only one
 gets started at a time.


Shortest name is not the only criteria yum uses anymore. Not in quite a 
while, now, actually.

Now if all other things are equal it will come down to shortestname.

just a fyi.
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Re: gtkmm24 updates to F13 (was Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13)

2010-04-08 Thread Denis Leroy
On 04/08/2010 06:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 07:51 +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
 Yikes, I'm pretty stumped. How can we deal with such a burdensome
 process for something that is not even released yet ? Unfortunately I do
 not have the spare time nor the patience to go through with it, I will
 have to pass the buck on this. Heck I can't even create scratch builds
 for my own testing.

 You can file a ticket asking for a build target that self updates for
 the purpose of performing all the builds necessary.  The KDE folks have
 used this method, as have others.

How can the simple process of pushing builds to an unrelease Fedora 
involves dealing with rel-eng tickets ? That's just unmanageable.
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rawhide gnome-panel

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
Folks,

I created a spare encrypted LVM volume group for testing rawhide (and
one for F13 too) on my new Macbook. I cloned the existing updated F12
install and then did an upgrade to rawhide. It does boot, and it does
run X but the gnome-panel is not displayed (it is running). If I kill
it, it reloads as an emply 1 inch width bar at the top of the screen. If
I remove the home directory and copy /etc/skel, the same happens.

There were a few segfaults (actually many segfaults) in gconf during the
upgrade process and so I'm concerned something went awry. Is there some
gconf managed global resource I need to regenerate that's not taken care
of by wiping out the home directory?

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:13 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
  Folks,
  
  In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5.
 snip
  2). The new install has no networking because the 432b reversion part is
  unsupported by the b43 Open Source driver (they are working on it).
 
 Look for the n-phy patches at:
 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.bcm54xx.devel
 
 I'm hoping for a proper upstream driver as well.

I will take a look, thanks for that.

  Then alsamixer will show all of the channel options, which you should
  set to 100% volume for now.
 
 alsamixer -c 0
 would have done the same thing.

It would? Doesn't the ALSA plugin always end up hiding things PA doesn't
think you need? I'm happy if that does work, and will re-install that
package since PA is otherwise more or less working for me on this box.

   The GNOME volume controls will now work. Add
  alsa-plugins-pulseaudio to and exclude line /etc/yum.conf to prevent
  it ever getting installed again.
 
 When you could have file a bug instead, against ALSA, so that the unmute
 code can be fixed for your sound card.

Yes, I will do that. I think I want to make a general point without
meaning to cause offense because I think my motivation was unclear:

Filing bugs is great and worthwhile and I should do that. It's a great
thing to ask people on this list to do. But sharing an experience on a
mailing list with installing some system I know others are having
problems with (as witnessed by the threads I found that went nowhere,
e.g. on the user list over the weekend) may help someone else. They
might go searching through BZ and spend time figuring out everything,
and they might wait 6 months for multitouch support to work just so, or
they might just give up and use OSX (or another distro).

If I had had this information in a thread I would have saved hours of
time to get something useable today that I can then also boot into
F13/rawhide to fix. So anyway, I will file bugs for each issue.

 snip
  6). The backlit keyboard and controls aren't showing up or working. I
  can live without these until I get chance to figure that out.
 
 Only pommed knows how to handle that right now, and it's not in Fedora
 (and shouldn't be). Instead the support for light sensors and keyboard
 backlight should be added to upower.
 
 It's on my very long TODO list.

Again, this mail wasn't meant as a criticism. It was intended for Google
to index so that someone else who is hitting their head against a wall
trying to get an F12 system that works today on that hardware can do so.
I'm all about not having hacky kludges in the longer term, but I am
personally willing to make a hacky kludge if it works today. For
example, if my mouse doesn't support drag and drop I am inclined to get
so frustrated with it that I won't run Fedora on the laptop at all - or
throw the laptop out of the window, which was the other option :)

  7). The webcam isn't working out of the box and nor is bluetooth. There
  are instructions online covering these.
 
 Why isn't bluetooth working out of the box? It certainly works fine on
 my Macbook Air (1,1).

I will do so digging as time permits. It does see the device but I am
unable to communicate (pair) with any of my other devices.

 File bugs, file bugs, file bugs:
 http://www.hadess.net/2008/06/how-not-to-do-laptop-support-page.html

Yes.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 12:50 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 
 
  Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something?
 
 There are a few complications here: currently, both gnome-session and
 gdm explicitly require polkit-gnome. gdm has to require it explicitly,
 since it needs to install a separate desktop file
 in /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/ which launches it.
 
 Or maybe, with OnlyShowIn, it won't hurt.

Thanks for the heads-up Matthias, but I don't think this should become a
problem.
  * The file in /usr/share/gdm/autostart/... will only affect gdm,
no need for OnlyShowIn there.
  * Having gnome-session depend on polkit-gnome explicitly is a good
thing: One core part of each desktop should explicitly require
the agent of that particular desktop in order to prevent yum
pulling in another agent.

Just for the record: I don't mind polkit-gnome being the 'default'
agent, as long as it doesn't have any additional dependencies. And I'm
afraid that lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to it's name.

Matthias, do you or David have any plans for additional dependencies of
polkit-gnome?

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Bill Nottingham
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: 
 Suggestion:
 GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window
 managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit.

I'd honestly prefer they use the GNOME one (maintained closer to the
source, etc.) unless there are speicfic problems with it.

 Rationale:
  2. lxpolkit is the smallest package.

20k of code vs 70k of code? Is that really something worth caring about?
(Yes, the GNOME PK agent ends up being about 300k installed, but given
that it's translated into 30+ languages as opposed to lxpolkit's  10...)

  3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.

That's not a useful decision rationale.

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Re: rawhide gnome-panel

2010-04-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:23:31PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

(snip)

That's an excellent bug report, but it should be filed at 
http://bugzilla.redhat.com rather than de...@lists.fedoraproject.org.

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:44 +0200, drago01 wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:

  [...]
  Again, this mail wasn't meant as a criticism. It was intended for Google
  to index so that someone else who is hitting their head against a wall
  trying to get an F12 system that works today on that hardware can do so.
  I'm all about not having hacky kludges in the longer term, but I am
  personally willing to make a hacky kludge if it works today. For
  example, if my mouse doesn't support drag and drop I am inclined to get
  so frustrated with it that I won't run Fedora on the laptop at all - or
  throw the laptop out of the window, which was the other option :)
 
 Well but filling bugs and get the issues fixed will result into people
 not having to google for solutions at all ;)

There's a lag time between these things. Problems don't get fixed
instantly (not a criticism) but others who want to install a given
system will decide very quickly not to bother if Google returns no
useful results when things don't work out of the box. Hence both are
appropriate - the answer is not always file a bug without mention.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
 Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: 
  Suggestion:
  GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window
  managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit.
 
 I'd honestly prefer they use the GNOME one (maintained closer to the
 source, etc.) unless there are speicfic problems with it.

So far there are no problems, but when GConf2 or others get pulled in,
we might get into trouble. People are not using a lightweight WM in
order to install half of GNOME.

  Rationale:
   2. lxpolkit is the smallest package.
 
 20k of code vs 70k of code? Is that really something worth caring about?
 (Yes, the GNOME PK agent ends up being about 300k installed, but given
 that it's translated into 30+ languages as opposed to lxpolkit's  10...)

lxpolkit is very young, it was announced a week ago and the number of
translations is continuously rising.
Nevertheless I agree that polkit-gnome offers the most value: It has
more translations and it has the option to cache the password with a
nice tray icon.

   3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.
 
 That's not a useful decision rationale.

I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot
avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your complainants to
the yum developers.

Let me repeat what I already said in my previous mail: I don't mind
polkit-gnome as default agent, but
  * I'm afraid that yum will choose lxpolkit
  * I'm afraid polkit-gnome will have more deps in the future
  * we cannot yet use OnlyShowIn=LXDE

 Bill

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal


On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:

  3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.

 That's not a useful decision rationale.

 I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot
 avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your complainants to
 the yum developers.

 Let me repeat what I already said in my previous mail: I don't mind
 polkit-gnome as default agent, but
  * I'm afraid that yum will choose lxpolkit
  * I'm afraid polkit-gnome will have more deps in the future
  * we cannot yet use OnlyShowIn=LXDE


I'm all ears - tell me another way of how we should know that of 3 items 
one should be chosen over the others?

We've got lots of criteria we use to score up/down pkgs in 
compare_providers in yum. It's not just length of pkg name.

But at the end of the day, it is possible that length of pkg name could be 
the deciding variable.

Would you rather we pull one at random?

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 02:10:52PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

 There's a lag time between these things. Problems don't get fixed
 instantly (not a criticism) but others who want to install a given
 system will decide very quickly not to bother if Google returns no
 useful results when things don't work out of the box. Hence both are
 appropriate - the answer is not always file a bug without mention.

And some people won't even look on Google if things don't work. File 
bugs first, provide workarounds second. In the time you've been 
contributing to this thread you could have at least half of those filed 
(and in the time I have, I might have one of them fixed)

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rawhide report: 20100408 changes

2010-04-08 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Apr  8 08:15:06 UTC 2010

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:19 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
 
 On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 
   3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.
 
  That's not a useful decision rationale.
 
  I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot
  avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your complainants to
  the yum developers.
 
  Let me repeat what I already said in my previous mail: I don't mind
  polkit-gnome as default agent, but
   * I'm afraid that yum will choose lxpolkit
   * I'm afraid polkit-gnome will have more deps in the future
   * we cannot yet use OnlyShowIn=LXDE
 
 
 I'm all ears - tell me another way of how we should know that of 3 items 
 one should be chosen over the others?
 

One interesting criterium might be 'pulls in the least uninstalled
deps'. That would probably handle a lot of cases like the one at hand
nicely.


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Re: rawhide gnome-panel

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:47 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:23:31PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

 That's an excellent bug report, but it should be filed at 
 http://bugzilla.redhat.com rather than de...@lists.fedoraproject.org.

I've filed a bug against gconf (hoping that's it): 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=580665

More generically, I was interested to know if someone had a quick
solution for rebuilding whatever databases are used by gconf without
removing and re-installing a lot of packages. The current setup has
panels that believe they are locked, and gconf-editor shows few
properties which makes me think its database is hosed. I could ask
halfline via IRC or via a BZ only he and I will see, or I could ask
generally where others might get to share in my learning experience.

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Re: gtkmm24 updates to F13 (was Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13)

2010-04-08 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:07 +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
 How can the simple process of pushing builds to an unrelease Fedora 
 involves dealing with rel-eng tickets ? That's just unmanageable. 

Because we're beyond the state of just throw it over the wall and hope
it sticks.  We branched and are attempting to polish and bugfix the
work previously done.  We're using peers to verify fixes and prevent
regressions.  This stage of development is very much not free for all,
that's what rawhide is for.  Your time for sweeping features has past.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:19 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
  
  On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
  
3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name.
  
   That's not a useful decision rationale.
  
   I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot
   avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your complainants to
   the yum developers.
  
   Let me repeat what I already said in my previous mail: I don't mind
   polkit-gnome as default agent, but
* I'm afraid that yum will choose lxpolkit
* I'm afraid polkit-gnome will have more deps in the future
* we cannot yet use OnlyShowIn=LXDE
  
  
  I'm all ears - tell me another way of how we should know that of 3 items 
  one should be chosen over the others?
  
 
 One interesting criterium might be 'pulls in the least uninstalled
 deps'. That would probably handle a lot of cases like the one at hand
 nicely.

+1, that's what I was just about to suggest.

When I look into the critical path list, I see that there are also Xfce
packages in there. This is due to xfce4-notifyd and notification-daemon
both providing desktop-notification-daemon.

At the point where xfce4-notifd gets pulled in, the notification-daemon
and it's deps were already processed, so I don't understand why yum adds
another 5 packages added (xfce4-notifyd, libsexy, xfconf, libxfce4util
and libxfcegui4).

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F-13 Branched report: 20100408 changes

2010-04-08 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Apr  8 09:15:03 UTC 2010

Broken deps for i386
--
edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires libembryo.so.0
edje-devel-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires embryo-devel
gnome-web-photo-0.9-4.fc13.i686 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.9.2.1
hornsey-1.5.2-0.1.fc13.i686 requires libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0
libnodeupdown-backend-openib-1.9-5.fc13.i686 requires 
libosmcomp.so.3(OSMCOMP_2.3)
libnodeupdown-backend-openib-1.9-5.fc13.i686 requires libosmcomp.so.3
moblin-app-installer-0.4.0-0.7.fc13.i686 requires 
libpackagekit-glib2.so.13
pyclutter-gst-0.9.2-1.fc12.i686 requires libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0
sepostgresql-8.4.2-2488.fc13.i686 requires postgresql-server = 0:8.4.2
totem-youtube-2.29.92-1.fc13.i686 requires libgdata.so.7
zikula-module-menutree-2.2-1.fc13.noarch requires zikula = 0:1.2



Broken deps for x86_64
--
edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires libembryo.so.0
edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.x86_64 requires libembryo.so.0()(64bit)
edje-devel-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires embryo-devel
edje-devel-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.x86_64 requires embryo-devel
gnome-web-photo-0.9-4.fc13.x86_64 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.9.2.1
hornsey-1.5.2-0.1.fc13.x86_64 requires libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
libnodeupdown-backend-openib-1.9-5.fc13.x86_64 requires 
libosmcomp.so.3(OSMCOMP_2.3)(64bit)
libnodeupdown-backend-openib-1.9-5.fc13.x86_64 requires 
libosmcomp.so.3()(64bit)
moblin-app-installer-0.4.0-0.7.fc13.x86_64 requires 
libpackagekit-glib2.so.13()(64bit)
pyclutter-gst-0.9.2-1.fc12.x86_64 requires 
libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0()(64bit)
sepostgresql-8.4.2-2488.fc13.x86_64 requires postgresql-server = 0:8.4.2
totem-youtube-2.29.92-1.fc13.x86_64 requires libgdata.so.7()(64bit)
zikula-module-menutree-2.2-1.fc13.noarch requires zikula = 0:1.2



Updated Packages:

kernel-2.6.33.1-24.fc13
---
* Tue Mar 30 2010 John W. Linville linvi...@redhat.com 2.6.33.1-24
- Avoid null pointer dereference introduced by 'ssb: check for sprom' (#577463)

* Mon Mar 29 2010 John W. Linville linvi...@redhat.com 2.6.33.1-23
- iwlwifi: reset card during probe (#557084)
- iwlwifi: use dma_alloc_coherent (#574146)

* Mon Mar 29 2010 Ben Skeggs bske...@redhat.com 2.6.33.1-22
- nouveau: sync with nouveau upstream

* Wed Mar 24 2010 Josef Bacik jo...@toxicpanda.com 2.6.33.1-21
- Update btrfs so it includes the default subvolume stuff, for the rollback
  feature

* Mon Mar 22 2010 Jarod Wilson ja...@redhat.com
- A few more imon driver button additions
- Fix minor init issue w/topseed 0x0008 mceusb transceivers


plymouth-0.8.1-3.fc13
-
* Wed Mar 31 2010 Ray Strode rstr...@redhat.com 0.8.1-3
- Fix assertion failure.  May fix bug 578633
- Fix things up to work with new drm header file locations

* Thu Mar 25 2010 Ray Strode rstr...@redhat.com 0.8.1-2
- Add debug statements to help debug transition
  problem


Summary:
Added Packages: 0
Removed Packages: 0
Modified Packages: 2
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Re: syslog-ng

2010-04-08 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 04/08/2010 10:02 AM, Peter Czanik wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm helping to upgrade syslog-ng to current version in major Linux
 distributions. I would like to ask, if you could update syslog-ng to
 version 3.1. I'm working on the openSUSE version of syslog-ng 3.1 (
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/czanik:/branches:/Base:/System/openSUSE_Factory/src/
 ), and it is also being upgraded in Debian (
 http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/syslog-ng.html ) and Gentoo (
 http://gentoo.linuxhowtos.org/portage/app-admin/syslog-ng ) and Mandriva
 ( http://sophie.zarb.org/viewrpm/b8182fa1eee109cc655a020a2cb62f5f ).
 
 For a complete list of changes, please see:
 http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.0.5/changelog-en.txt
 http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.1.0/changelog-en.txt
 
 Major changes from the packaging point of view:
 
 - addition of new utilities:
 /usr/bin/pdbtool
 /usr/sbin/syslog-ng-ctl
 
Are these tools executed by init scripts or just by administrators?
 - apparmor (or SElinux in case of Fedora) needs some extra permissions:
 /var/run/syslog-ng.ctl rw,
Is this a sock_file?
 /var/run/syslog-ng/additional-log-sockets.conf r,
Why not put syslog-ng.ctl in /var/run/syslog-ng?
 capability sys_tty_config,

What other processes need to read/write in these directories or sock_files?
 
 Version 3.0 also added SSL support among many other changes, but that
 can't be enabled on openSUSE (configure arg: --disable-ssl): syslog-ng
 is in /sbin, openssl libs are in /usr/lib, linking from /usr is not
 allowed in /, and SSL is not available statically for security reasons.
 As far as I can see (I have a Fedora 13 snapshot installed in vmware),
 Fedora has the same problem.
 
 Please let me know, if you need any additional help/information to get
 syslog-ng updated for Fedora.
 
 Best regards,
 Peter Czanik
 

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Re: syslog-ng

2010-04-08 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello,

2010-04-08 21:06 keltezéssel, Daniel J Walsh írta:
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 On 04/08/2010 10:02 AM, Peter Czanik wrote:
   
 Hello,

 I'm helping to upgrade syslog-ng to current version in major Linux
 distributions. I would like to ask, if you could update syslog-ng to
 version 3.1. I'm working on the openSUSE version of syslog-ng 3.1 (
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/czanik:/branches:/Base:/System/openSUSE_Factory/src/
 ), and it is also being upgraded in Debian (
 http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/syslog-ng.html ) and Gentoo (
 http://gentoo.linuxhowtos.org/portage/app-admin/syslog-ng ) and Mandriva
 ( http://sophie.zarb.org/viewrpm/b8182fa1eee109cc655a020a2cb62f5f ).

 For a complete list of changes, please see:
 http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.0.5/changelog-en.txt
 http://www.balabit.com/downloads/files/syslog-ng/open-source-edition/3.1.0/changelog-en.txt

 Major changes from the packaging point of view:

 - addition of new utilities:
 /usr/bin/pdbtool
 /usr/sbin/syslog-ng-ctl

 
 Are these tools executed by init scripts or just by administrators?
   
Just by administrators. The first manages the pattern database (patterns
are not included), the second gives stats and controls debugging:

bigone112:~ # pdbtool
Syntax: pdbtool command [options]
Possible commands are:
matchMatch a message against the pattern database
dump Dump pattern datebase tree
mergeMerge pattern databases
bigone112:~ # syslog-ng-ctl
Syntax: syslog-ng-ctl command [options]
Possible commands are:
statsDump syslog-ng statistics
verbose  Enable/query verbose messages
debugEnable/query debug messages
traceEnable/query trace messages


 - apparmor (or SElinux in case of Fedora) needs some extra permissions:
 /var/run/syslog-ng.ctl rw,
 
 Is this a sock_file?
   
Yes, it is.

 /var/run/syslog-ng/additional-log-sockets.conf r,
 
Ooops, sorry, this is a SuSE related config file, where additional log
sockects from chroots are added on start by the init script.

 Why not put syslog-ng.ctl in /var/run/syslog-ng?
   
It is controlled by configure parameter: --with-pidfile-dir=/var/run
which also affects pid file location (see src/syslog-ng.h):
#define PATH_PIDFILEPATH_PIDFILEDIR /syslog-ng.pid
#define PATH_CONTROL_SOCKET PATH_PIDFILEDIR /syslog-ng.ctl
Fedora seems to be a bit more flexible here, than SuSE, so one could
easily set to use /var/run/syslog-ng/ for both of these files.

 capability sys_tty_config,
 
 What other processes need to read/write in these directories or sock_files?
   
Only syslog-ng and syslog-ng-ctl.

Bye,
CzP

 Version 3.0 also added SSL support among many other changes, but that
 can't be enabled on openSUSE (configure arg: --disable-ssl): syslog-ng
 is in /sbin, openssl libs are in /usr/lib, linking from /usr is not
 allowed in /, and SSL is not available statically for security reasons.
 As far as I can see (I have a Fedora 13 snapshot installed in vmware),
 Fedora has the same problem.

 Please let me know, if you need any additional help/information to get
 syslog-ng updated for Fedora.

 Best regards,
 Peter Czanik

 
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Re: F-13-Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #2 @ 2010-04-08 00:00 UTC Recap

2010-04-08 Thread Mat Booth
On 8 April 2010 13:06, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 11:30 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
 On 8 April 2010 01:33, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
  Greetings,
 
  Representatives from Fedora QA, Rel-Eng and Development met on IRC to
  review whether the Fedora 13 Beta release criteria [1] have been met.
  The team agreed that the Beta criteria *have* been met with
  F-13-Beta-RC5.  For additional details, please refer to the attached
  minutes.
 
  Thanks,
  James
 
  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Beta_Release_Criteria
 
  --

 Hi, is there a Known or Common Problems page for F13?

 Hi Mat,

 You can find the list of Common problems, and notes on how to contribute
 bugs to the list, at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs

 There are several bugs tagged for addition to this page, so I suspect
 the content will change before F-13-Beta is released.

 Thanks,
 James


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Re: nouveau rebase for future kernels

2010-04-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 13:03:40 -0400,
  Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
 Folks,
 
 This may have come up already (and I don't mean upstream :) ) but am
 interested to know what the plans are in F12 wrt. nouveau updates. Is
 there a plan to eventually rebase the kernel to 2.6.34? (and with it,
 requiring a non-backwards compatible update to xorg-x11-drv-nouveau?)
 
 If there is not, is there any way (other than building them manually) of
 getting an X driver that can work with more recent kernels in F12? I am
 not personally a fan of rebasing so I think I would rather deal with
 having to rebuild the X driver myself, but in my perfect world maybe
 someone has done this already and can share.

The nouvea abi change is already in 2.6.33 kernels in F13.
Linus got something to work, so you might want to look near the end of the
long kernel discussion about the issue to see what he did.
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Re: urgent testing call: F13 kernel-2.6.33.1-24.fc13

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 16:45 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:17 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
  Thanks to everyone for their testing, it's greatly appreciated. Based on
  the positive response here and on forums, we spun a new RC of the beta
  with the -24 kernel included, so now if you still want to help testing,
  please test that. See
  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2010-April/61.html
   .
 
 Now that testing of f-13-beta rc#5 has commenced, shouldn't this kernel
 have appeared as an update through yum?

It will do shortly. We didn't have time to go through that process
before spinning RC5.
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Re: Using capabilities for libpcap apps

2010-04-08 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday 06 April 2010 04:47:22 pm Radek Vokál wrote:
   I need few suggestions about this ..
 https://blog.wireshark.org/2010/02/running-wireshark-as-you/ .. Gerald
 Combs, the upstream maintainer of wireshark, suggests to use
 capabilities instead of consolehelper+root privileges for
 dumpcap/wireshark. It makes whole lot of sense, so I've looked if other
 apps in Fedora are already using it and I haven't found any. Honestly
 I'm not sure about right way to use them. The idea is to add something
 like following to %post
 
 # groupadd -g wireshark
 # chgrp wireshark /usr/bin/dumpcap
 # setcap cap_net_raw,cap_net_admin+eip /usr/bin/dumpcap
 # setcap cap_net_raw,cap_net_admin+eip /usr/bin/tshark
 
 Suggestions? Ideas? Spec file patches?

rpm supposedly has native support for capabilities. That would mean that you 
don't need to call setcap.

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:35 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

   Then alsamixer will show all of the channel options, which you should
   set to 100% volume for now.
  
  alsamixer -c 0
  would have done the same thing.
 
 It would? Doesn't the ALSA plugin always end up hiding things PA doesn't
 think you need? 

No. PA doesn't 'hide' anything from the ALSA interfaces (and hence
tools). It's just that, with alsa-plugins-pulseaudio installed, the
default ALSA device is not your physical sound card, but the virtual
device PA creates. Plain 'alsamixer' always shows you the default ALSA
device (all ALSA tools assume the default ALSA device if you don't
specify some particular device), so if you just do 'alsamixer' you're
not seeing some PA-nerfed view of the controls on your actual hardware
adapter, you're seeing the actual complete set of ALSA controls that
exists on the PA 'card' (which, obviously, isn't many). 'alsamixer -c0'
just tells it to show you the control for card 0, instead, which will
usually be the actual hardware adapter you want to adjust (on systems
with multiple hardware sound devices you may have to go with -c1 or -c2
etc).
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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
  Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: 
   Suggestion:
   GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window
   managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit.
  
  I'd honestly prefer they use the GNOME one (maintained closer to the
  source, etc.) unless there are speicfic problems with it.
 
 So far there are no problems, but when GConf2 or others get pulled in,
 we might get into trouble. People are not using a lightweight WM in
 order to install half of GNOME.

Is there any particular reason polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
couldn't be polkit-gtk-authentication-agent instead, and explicitly be
designed to be GNOME dependency-free and hence suitable for other
GTK-ish desktops? It seems a bit odd to mushroom off three different
implementations of what's really a fairly simple widget...
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Re: nouveau rebase for future kernels

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:27 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 13:03:40 -0400,
   Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
  Folks,
  
  This may have come up already (and I don't mean upstream :) ) but am
  interested to know what the plans are in F12 wrt. nouveau updates. Is
  there a plan to eventually rebase the kernel to 2.6.34? (and with it,
  requiring a non-backwards compatible update to xorg-x11-drv-nouveau?)
  
  If there is not, is there any way (other than building them manually) of
  getting an X driver that can work with more recent kernels in F12? I am
  not personally a fan of rebasing so I think I would rather deal with
  having to rebuild the X driver myself, but in my perfect world maybe
  someone has done this already and can share.
 
 The nouvea abi change is already in 2.6.33 kernels in F13.
 Linus got something to work, so you might want to look near the end of the
 long kernel discussion about the issue to see what he did.

Oh ok, so I'll just bump to F13 when it's released, cool.

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:35 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 
Then alsamixer will show all of the channel options, which you should
set to 100% volume for now.
   
   alsamixer -c 0
   would have done the same thing.
  
  It would? Doesn't the ALSA plugin always end up hiding things PA doesn't
  think you need? 
 
 No. PA doesn't 'hide' anything from the ALSA interfaces (and hence
 tools). It's just that, with alsa-plugins-pulseaudio installed, the
 default ALSA device is not your physical sound card

Oh fine, I guess I had it in my head that it also changed what you'd see
in alsamixer. Traditionally, I've often had to remove pulseaudio to get
skip free playback (I know this is not necessarily PAs fault) so I don't
have a lot of experience as a PA user aside from the last few months :)

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

 In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5.

There are bugs filed for most of these. As an update, I booted rawhide
on the system to acquire some more data points. Things were largely the
same except suspend/resume without VT switch works fine, but conversely
there's some weirdness with the sound driver resulting in no sound (for
which I will collate some data before blindly filing a bug on that).

The issue with gnome-panel didn't go away per se, but after following
Ray's advice in unsetting all panel attributes and killing it a few
times I was eventually able to make two new panels and populate them
from scratch so that they look as they did before.

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:30 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 
  In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5.
 
 There are bugs filed for most of these. As an update, I booted rawhide
 on the system to acquire some more data points. Things were largely the
 same except suspend/resume without VT switch works fine, but conversely
 there's some weirdness with the sound driver resulting in no sound (for
 which I will collate some data before blindly filing a bug on that).

Please see:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_PulseAudio_problems

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Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:30 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
  
   In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5.
  
  There are bugs filed for most of these. As an update, I booted rawhide
  on the system to acquire some more data points. Things were largely the
  same except suspend/resume without VT switch works fine, but conversely
  there's some weirdness with the sound driver resulting in no sound (for
  which I will collate some data before blindly filing a bug on that).
 
 Please see:
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_PulseAudio_problems

I'm aware of those, I'm just sharing in the thread because I hate it
when Googling for stuff and finding threads that went nowhere ;)

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Re: gtkmm24 updates to F13 (was Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13)

2010-04-08 Thread Denis Leroy
On 04/08/2010 08:36 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:07 +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
 How can the simple process of pushing builds to an unrelease Fedora
 involves dealing with rel-eng tickets ? That's just unmanageable.

 Because we're beyond the state of just throw it over the wall and hope
 it sticks.  We branched and are attempting to polish and bugfix the
 work previously done.  We're using peers to verify fixes and prevent
 regressions.  This stage of development is very much not free for all,
 that's what rawhide is for.  Your time for sweeping features has past.

I'm not talking about sweeping features here. This is the gnome release. 
The gtkmm stack follows the Gnome release, i.e. a bunch of packages that 
go from unstable to stable release and need to be updated and tested all 
at once, and it always happens during the beta stage since Fedora 
schedule more or less follows the Gnome major releases.

You clearly didn't give this much thought. Anyways, this is no longer my 
problem.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
   Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: 
Suggestion:
GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window
managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit.
   
   I'd honestly prefer they use the GNOME one (maintained closer to the
   source, etc.) unless there are speicfic problems with it.
  
  So far there are no problems, but when GConf2 or others get pulled in,
  we might get into trouble. People are not using a lightweight WM in
  order to install half of GNOME.
 
 Is there any particular reason polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
 couldn't be polkit-gtk-authentication-agent instead, and explicitly be
 designed to be GNOME dependency-free and hence suitable for other
 GTK-ish desktops? It seems a bit odd to mushroom off three different
 implementations of what's really a fairly simple widget...

First of all, the fear of GConf has really grown to quite irrational
levels. Just look at
http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010#Fork_GVFS_to_provide_a_more_lightweight.2C_stripped_down_version_without_Gnome_dependency
 


Anyway, studying rpm -q --requires polkit-gnome, I have a really hard
time coming up with anything that could be objectionable, bloated or
unnecessary:

libatk-1.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libc.so.6()(64bit)  
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)  
libcairo.so.2()(64bit)  
libfontconfig.so.1()(64bit)  
libfreetype.so.6()(64bit)  
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libgio-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libglib-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libgmodule-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libgobject-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libpango-1.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0()(64bit)  
libpolkit-agent-1.so.0()(64bit)  
libpolkit-gobject-1.so.0()(64bit)  
libpolkit-gtk-1.so.0()(64bit)  
libpthread.so.0()(64bit)  
libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)  
librt.so.1()(64bit)  
polkit = 0.95
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1
rpmlib(FileDigests) = 4.6.0-1
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1
rpmlib(VersionedDependencies) = 3.0.3-1
rtld(GNU_HASH)  
rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) = 5.2-1


Just what do you want to strip out here ?


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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 17:56 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

 First of all, the fear of GConf has really grown to quite irrational
 levels. Just look at
 http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010#Fork_GVFS_to_provide_a_more_lightweight.2C_stripped_down_version_without_Gnome_dependency
  

It's not only GConf but also other things like gnome-keyring, libsoup,
or gnome-disk-utility with it's dependeny on nautilus and many more
things. The latter could be avoided with smarter packaging however.

As long as GNOME developers hardcode things like gnome-terminal or
gnome-mount in lowlevel stuff like GIO, there will always be people who
want to fork from that.

 Anyway, studying rpm -q --requires polkit-gnome, I have a really hard
 time coming up with anything that could be objectionable, bloated or
 unnecessary:

[snipped]

 Just what do you want to strip out here ?

Previous versions relied on GConf2 and I already asked if you or David
have any plans to bring this dependency back.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

 Just what do you want to strip out here ?

Nothing; Christoph indicated his worry was not about current deps but
future ones, and my suggestion was just that the agent make an explicit
commitment to restricting itself to GTK+-level, not GNOME-level, deps
for the foreseeable future, so other desktops could choose it without
fear its deps may grow.
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Orphaning packages, retiring from

2010-04-08 Thread Denis Leroy
After maintaining the gtkmm stack for 7 years or so, as well as a number 
of other packages, I am now orphaning the remaining packages that were 
still under my care. I do find that contributing to Fedora is not as fun 
as it once was, and as such find it more and more difficult to commit 
the time and care these packages deserve.

The following are orphaned in the pkg database:

The main gtkmm stack (ideally should be owned by the same person, some 
C++ experience is helpful but not striclty required):

glibmm24
pangomm
gtkmm24
gconfmm26
gnome-vfsmm26
libgnomemm26
libgnomeuimm26
libglademm24
libgnomecanvasmm26

Others:

libsigc++
libsigc++20
bakery
compat-libgda
distcc
glom
goocanvasmm
gstreamermm
gtksourceviewmm
libburn
libgda
libgnomedb
libnotifymm
libpanelappletmm
libxml++
wp_tray


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Orphaning packages, retiring from Fedora packaging

2010-04-08 Thread Denis Leroy
After maintaining the gtkmm stack for 7 years or so, as well as a number 
of other packages, I am now orphaning the remaining packages that were 
still under my care. I do find that contributing to Fedora is not as fun 
as it once was, and as such find it more and more difficult to commit 
the time and care these packages deserve.

The following are orphaned in the pkg database:

The main gtkmm stack (ideally should be owned by the same person, some 
C++ experience is helpful but not striclty required):

glibmm24
pangomm
gtkmm24
gconfmm26
gnome-vfsmm26
libgnomemm26
libgnomeuimm26
libglademm24
libgnomecanvasmm26

Others:

libsigc++
libsigc++20
bakery
compat-libgda
distcc
glom
goocanvasmm
gstreamermm
gtksourceviewmm
libburn
libgda
libgnomedb
libnotifymm
libpanelappletmm
libxml++
wp_tray


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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
 On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote:

[snipped]

  I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we
  cannot avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your 
  complainants to the yum developers.
  ...
 
 Would it work to change the name to polkit-lxpolkit and have it 
 Provide lxpolkit?

Then polkit-kde would win and it has even more deps. ;)

Not sure if we should change the name from what upstream uses. IMO first
of all yum's depsolver should be enhanced. Matthias already made an
important point here.

Regards,
Christoph

P.S. /me wonders what would happen if we had polkit-gtk and polkit-kde
with the same provides and the same length of the name..

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 01:53 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
  On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 
 [snipped]
 
   I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we
   cannot avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your 
   complainants to the yum developers.
   ...
  
  Would it work to change the name to polkit-lxpolkit and have it 
  Provide lxpolkit?
 
 Then polkit-kde would win and it has even more deps. ;)
 
 Not sure if we should change the name from what upstream uses. IMO first
 of all yum's depsolver should be enhanced. Matthias already made an
 important point here.
 
 Regards,
 Christoph
 
 P.S. /me wonders what would happen if we had polkit-gtk and polkit-kde
 with the same provides and the same length of the name..
 

Part of the solution here is to not rely entirely on yum depsolving, and
instead add explicitly which polkit you want in the comps group, so that
a provider is already selected.  Yum won't select an additional one.
This is what we should do for critpath as well, mark the gnome policy
kit explicitly as part of the critpath.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 17:01 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating:

 Part of the solution here is to not rely entirely on yum depsolving, and
 instead add explicitly which polkit you want in the comps group, so that
 a provider is already selected.  

Yes, I already wrote that in my very first mail. Additionally one core
component of each desktop (e.g. gnome-session, kdebase-workspace,
xfce4-session and lxsession) should also explicitly require the agent

 This is what we should do for critpath as well, mark the gnome policy
 kit explicitly as part of the critpath.

+1

Regards,
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Re: vga_switcharoo

2010-04-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 04/08/2010 08:56 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 08:27:12PM -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
 On 04/07/2010 08:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
 Well, I would think that if you boot with the Intel adapter active, it
 wouldn't power up the NVIDIA one. But I'm just guessing :)

   I guessed the same, until google found claims to the contrary '-)
 
 nouveau has powered down the nvidia if it's not in use for some time 
 now.
 

 Ah that is good news ... which kernel are we speaking about here and
are you saying this will happen even without vga_switcharoo ?

Do I assume then when I install f12 (f12?) that the intel wins the race
to fedora's display heart and nvidia will be powered down ... and
ignored from then on?

 Thanks.

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:38 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 
  Just what do you want to strip out here ?
 
 Nothing; Christoph indicated his worry was not about current deps but
 future ones, and my suggestion was just that the agent make an explicit
 commitment to restricting itself to GTK+-level, not GNOME-level, deps
 for the foreseeable future, so other desktops could choose it without
 fear its deps may grow.

I don't think that is reasonable at all. Dependencies are not added just
because we enjoy bloating our stack, but because they add functionality
that we deem useful. 

Fear of future dependencies is a crazy reason to preemptively
reimplement something. If and when polkit-gnome grows a dependency that
you consider unacceptable, that is the right time to voice that concern,
and, in the worst case, consider forking off your own implementation. 


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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Dariusz J. Garbowski
On 08/04/10 05:53 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
 On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote:
 
 [snipped]
 
 I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we
 cannot avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your 
 complainants to the yum developers.
  ...

 Would it work to change the name to polkit-lxpolkit and have it 
 Provide lxpolkit?
 
 Then polkit-kde would win and it has even more deps. ;)
 

polkit-lx then? ;-)


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CD install delta from F-12 to F-13 current

2010-04-08 Thread Colin Walters
Hi,

A quick report on the current delta between F-12 and F-13's CD
(generated by my just-committed script
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=tools/liveimage-diff;h=a7ff363222facf7b908150fb6644aa25d1a56504;hb=HEAD
)

Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps:
+ shotwell 2582122
+ gnome-color-manager 3079621
+ sssd 4135276
+ seahorse 7142974
+ planner 6285529

There's a lot of added packages here, which I think is at least partly
due to the comps unification work.

Removed:

- gnupg 5073185
- rhino 826258
- abiword 15361
- libabiword 24396251
- java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096

The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the
desktop, shrunk to fit.

And finally the biggest winners in terms of package size growth:

= kernel 2667526
= empathy 2979990
= libgweather 3184637
= mesa-dri-drivers 21609392

The full report is attached.
+ hal-filesystem 0
+ report-config-bugzilla-redhat-com 83
+ color-filesystem 151
+ goddard-backgrounds-gnome 808
+ abrt-plugin-runapp 10154
+ system-setup-keyboard 13752
+ report-gtk 16147
+ ar9170-firmware 18034
+ vpnc-script 18270
+ python-virtkey 22244
+ hostname 22566
+ cyrus-sasl-gssapi 29592
+ shared-color-profiles 30906
+ nss-sysinit 31149
+ plymouth-graphics-libs 32008
+ libtevent 38336
+ pcsc-lite-libs 45184
+ ghostscript-cups 50143
+ gsm 51396
+ libmpcdec 56622
+ keyutils 66023
+ report-plugin-bugzilla 68509
+ cifs-utils 74259
+ acpid 74381
+ libieee1284 75477
+ python-GnuPGInterface 77474
+ sssd-client 82605
+ libcdaudio 83444
+ usb_modeswitch 89097
+ libkate 93327
+ libgomp 95092
+ gtkimageview 101551
+ librsync 102334
+ pinentry-gtk 103896
+ c-ares 107829
+ caribou 108948
+ report 112635
+ gstreamer-rtsp 113664
+ lohit-devanagari-fonts 113721
+ libplist 117171
+ celt 118149
+ libass 121955
+ slv2 124763
+ json-glib 141615
+ libsysfs 145333
+ libdvdread 148174
+ libofa 158949
+ libimobiledevice 161227
+ NetworkManager-openconnect 165427
+ usbmuxd 167040
+ plymouth-core-libs 172368
+ libdvdnav 184261
+ pywebkitgtk 190103
+ gvfs-afc 202852
+ libgnome-keyring 207475
+ openconnect 207992
+ lcms 208504
+ libdwarf 211217
+ libldb 213304
+ zbar 267613
+ python-beaker 281295
+ xorg-x11-drv-wacom 289061
+ enca 311773
+ libdc1394 332585
+ libmodplug 333854
+ iwl5150-firmware 344430
+ libgee 352461
+ mpfr 379322
+ simple-scan 412156
+ iwl6000-firmware 469192
+ smp_utils 484087
+ libnih 485694
+ libiodbc 551662
+ postgresql-libs 556843
+ udisks 638215
+ sil-abyssinica-fonts 649794
+ schroedinger 661935
+ rasqal 675620
+ dvb-apps 689921
+ redland 716343
+ pyclutter 755316
+ raptor 837641
+ transmission-common 963590
+ python-mako 1049800
+ dirac-libs 1071160
+ ncftp 1284092
+ gnome-dvb-daemon 1406199
+ deja-dup 1455297
+ setools-libs-python 1628036
+ duplicity 1707928
+ python-boto 1985950
+ transmission-gtk 2233988
+ shotwell 2582122
+ tigervnc-server 2926713
+ paratype-pt-sans-fonts 300
+ gnome-color-manager 3079621
+ gstreamer-plugins-bad-free 3365801
+ sane-backends 3792312
+ fftw 3910154
+ goddard-backgrounds-single 3928407
+ sssd 4135276
+ mysql-libs 421
+ cheese-libs 5609567
+ planner 6285529
+ dmz-cursor-themes 6526975
+ ImageMagick 6735456
+ xorg-x11-fonts-misc 7134279
+ seahorse 7142974
+ sane-backends-libs 7704160
+ linux-firmware 8109143
+ poppler-data 11987205
+ wqy-zenhei-fonts 13319014
- nodoka-filesystem 0
- lyx-fonts-common 3301
- libopenraw-gnome 7504
- htmlview 9502
- libbdevid-python 11592
- fedora-setup-keyboard 13071
- abiword 15361
- lyx-cmex10-fonts 21092
- abrt-plugin-kerneloopsreporter 25088
- lyx-cmr10-fonts 26348
- paktype-fonts-common 28567
- lyx-cmsy10-fonts 29392
- lyx-cmmi10-fonts 32556
- nodoka-metacity-theme 35397
- abrt-plugin-sqlite3 38573
- aiksaurus-gtk 74832
- giflib 81932
- jline 89869
- joystick 99769
- fedorainfinity-screensaver-theme 104031
- lohit-marathi-fonts 110736
- lohit-maithili-fonts 110768
- lohit-hindi-fonts 110982
- jpackage-utils 168677
- ots-libs 171678
- plymouth-libs 171976
- fribidi 178754
- loudmouth 198480
- ethtool 225660
- java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin 231112
- gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux 264775
- libwpg 274216
- libksba 275016
- tzdata-java 275562
- nash 302096
- libopenraw 363042
- python-enchant 379079
- t1lib 394344
- libwmf 447905
- DeviceKit-disks 514853
- dirmngr 596260
- aiksaurus 601798
- linuxwacom 619094
- abyssinica-fonts 649794
- wv 701148
- libwpd 750507
- rhino 826258
- empathy-libs 831664
- link-grammar 1316764
- kernel-firmware 2067581
- gtkmathview 2892598
- bluecurve-cursor-theme 3181040
- transmission 3644011
- constantine-backgrounds-single 4372087
- gnupg 5073185
- bitmap-fonts 7045704
- gthumb 7782182
- constantine-backgrounds 9556485
- cjkuni-uming-fonts 21552609
- libabiword 24396251
- java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096
= ibus-pinyin -33762022
= fedora-release-notes -19195917
= cheese -5180327
= evolution -4741537
= gcalctool -4251295
= gnome-icon-theme -2521313
= gnome-games -2282235
= gnome-bluetooth -1080495
= 

Re: CD install delta from F-12 to F-13 current

2010-04-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/09/2010 08:58 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
 Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps:
 + shotwell 2582122
 + gnome-color-manager 3079621
 + sssd 4135276
 + seahorse 7142974
 + planner 6285529
   
 Removed:

 - gnupg 5073185
 - rhino 826258
 - abiword 15361
 - libabiword 24396251
 - java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096

 The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the
 desktop, shrunk to fit.
   

How does it make sense to remove Abiword and add Planner?  I assume a
project management tool is much less used than a word processor.

Rahul
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[Bug 555420] FTBFS perl-IO-Compress-Bzip2-2.005-6.fc12

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #17 from Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi 2010-04-08 02:15:35 EDT 
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Still not updated in F-13+, do you need help with this?

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[Bug 555420] FTBFS perl-IO-Compress-Bzip2-2.005-6.fc12

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||573932

--- Comment #18 from Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 2010-04-08 
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My plan is add into Fedora new module IO-Compress, which work fine. I'm blocked
by #573932 and #573929. This package will be dead after adding the replacement.

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[Bug 580618] need an EL5 version

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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 AssignedTo|ville.sky...@iki.fi |nathan...@gnat.ca

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I have no need for this on EL, feel free to do it.

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[Bug 580620] need an EL5 version

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi changed:

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 AssignedTo|ville.sky...@iki.fi |nathan...@gnat.ca

--- Comment #1 from Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi 2010-04-08 15:30:35 EDT 
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I have no need for this in EL, feel free to take it.

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[Bug 580618] need an EL5 version

2010-04-08 Thread bugzilla
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Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca changed:

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   Flag||fedora-cvs?

--- Comment #2 from Nathanael Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca 2010-04-08 15:33:10 
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Package Change Request
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Package Name: perl-HTML-Encoding
New Branches: EL-5
Owners: gnat
InitialCC: perl-sig

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[389-devel] Please Review: (578863) Password Modify Extended Operation ignoring referrals and writing information on dedicated consumer server

2010-04-08 Thread Nathan Kinder
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