[Bug 605836] RFE: show ksm stats in virt-top

2011-06-02 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 603230] ocaml-sqlite-devel doesn't work properly without sqlite-devel, but it's not a dependency

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[Bug 710290] ocaml-findlib should require ocaml

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--- Comment #1 from Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com 2011-06-02 18:16:11 
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Orion, you're a trusted packager aren't you?  If so just
go ahead and add the dep.

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Re: orphaning cnetworkmanager

2011-06-02 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
I'm not sure nmcli does everything cnetworkmanager did -- e.g. Can you
create new (wireless) connection with nmcli?


On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 08:51 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 I've just orphaned cnetworkmanager. 
 
 Upstream is pretty dead, and nmcli does everything cnetworkmanager did
 and more. Also, it may not work at all in f15+ due to NM changes. 
 
 There's 2 open bugs on it: 
 
 709356Fedora  new cnetworkmanager D-Bus error, ServiceName 
 property
 583043Fedora  assignedUnicodeEncodeError in 
 networkmanager/util.py line 125
 
 If someone would like to take it and run with it, great. ;) 
 
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Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-02 Thread Jens Petersen
José Matos wrote:
 1) This feature will also allow firefox and thunderbird to earn
 langpacks as they deserve.

Yes that was my hope but it needs acceptance from the fedora mozilla 
packagers...
Support and encouragement is welcome.

 In F15 asking
 yum list *langpack*
 shows that only
 
 koffice
 libreoffice
 tesseract

You're oversimplifying: the plugin does not search for langpack. :)
eg kde-l10n is already supported since F13 I think.

 This seems an easy step, both to standardize the form of lang as
 well as to
 suggest a virtual provides to packages that already provide this, I am
 thinking in this case of packages like kde-i18n* or kde-i10n*.

Yes I think meta Provides is probably the way to go.

Concrete suggestions and design improvements are welcome - particularly in 
bugzilla. :-)
I think Bill Nottingham also has some more ideas in this direction.

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Re: memtest86+

2011-06-02 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
- Original Message -
 On 06/01/2011 09:59 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
 
   Best I can tell the current version of memtest86+ in Fedora is
   v4.10
  which is too old for Sandy Bridge which needs version v4.20.
 
   Anyone know if there is some reason we haven't updated to the
   current
  version (released January 2011) ?
 
 
 This also means anyone using the memtest86+ from install (F15 or F14)
 will not be able to run it if they have Sandy Bridge - it just hangs.
 Probably worth noting that in the wiki somewhere too ..
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4.20 is in rawhide since March 07. I will push it to f14/f15 also. Please
file a bug next time

thanks  regards

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HEADS UP : soname bump in libmemcached

2011-06-02 Thread Remi Collet
libmemcached 0.49, in rawhide, now provides:

libhashkit.so.1
libmemcached.so.7
libmemcachedprotocol.so.0
libmemcachedutil.so.2

You may also have to check new syntax for config, which could affect
some clients:

http://docs.libmemcached.org/libmemcached_examples.html

Regards,
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R: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)

2011-06-02 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com

Messaggio originale
Da: Peter Robinson
Inviato:  01/06/2011, 22:41 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Oggetto: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)


On 1 Jun 2011 19:44, Josef Bacik jo...@toxicpanda.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
wrote:
  I will be unable to attend tomorrow but I have concerns of making btrfs
  default without a well tested fsck. I'm aware one is due soon but I
don't
  believe 3-4 months is enough time to test it well enough. On 2.6.38.x I
  still get regular kernel abrt crashes on resume. Is it even marked
stable in
  the upstream kernel yet?
 

 Have you filed bugs for these crashes?

Yes. Well at least I've submitted them using abrt to wherever is sends the
kernel crash dumps. Not done a manual separate bug though.

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Rsync for repos.fedoraproject.org?

2011-06-02 Thread Jonathan Dieter
Is there any way to rsync from repos.fedoraproject.org?  I'd like to
have a local mirror of spot's chromium repository, and wgetting it is
pretty nasty.

Jonathan


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Re: Intent to package GNOME Shell frippery

2011-06-02 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:

 Ron Yorston wrote:
  I'd prefer them to be in one package: they are intended to work
  together.

 Except the Shut Down menu extension directly conflicts with the
 alternative-status-menu extension. Sub-packages are the safest bet.
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+1 for sub packages too.

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Re: memtest86+

2011-06-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/02/2011 04:44 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:
 - Original Message -

 4.20 is in rawhide since March 07. I will push it to f14/f15 also. Please
 file a bug next time
 
 thanks  regards
 
 Jaroslav
 


  Thanks - I did file a bug and see that you replied to the bug too - so
thanks. (my bugzilla account name is a bit diffderent :-))

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rubygems 1.8.5 hits rawhide with license change

2011-06-02 Thread TASAKA Mamoru
Hello, all:

Now rawhide buildtree sees rubygems 1.8.5. The license changed from
(Ruby or GPL+) to (Ruby or MIT). 

If you see any issues with new rubygems please feel free to report them,
thank you.

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Re: Rsync for repos.fedoraproject.org?

2011-06-02 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Jonathan Dieter wrote:

 Is there any way to rsync from repos.fedoraproject.org?  I'd like to
 have a local mirror of spot's chromium repository, and wgetting it is
 pretty nasty.


This should do it:

rsync -az --progress -e ssh fedorapeople.org:/srv/repos/ /your/path

You do need a fedorapeople account to do that though.

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Re: Rsync for repos.fedoraproject.org?

2011-06-02 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 07:32 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
 
  Is there any way to rsync from repos.fedoraproject.org?  I'd like to
  have a local mirror of spot's chromium repository, and wgetting it is
  pretty nasty.
 
 
 This should do it:
 
 rsync -az --progress -e ssh fedorapeople.org:/srv/repos/ /your/path
 
 You do need a fedorapeople account to do that though.

That's great!  I didn't realize they were sitting in /srv/repos.  Thanks
much!

Jonathan


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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 23:54 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
 admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
 Thoughts?

Do it.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 06/01/2011 10:54 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
 Thoughts?

It doesn't belong into base.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Petr Sabata
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:54:05PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
 Thoughts?

Why would you include an optional functionality (a quote from Packaging
guidelines)  package in the default installation?

I personally don't use bash as my interactive shell and don't really like
the idea of having more bash-related stuff than necessary in my system.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 01.06.2011 22:54, schrieb Ville Skyttä:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
 Thoughts?

PLEASE do not make a basic-install larger with something what maybe for someone
nice, thats from a user which installs bash-completion on each machine after
setup, there are people out there using other shells and the base-setup has to
be as small as possible

it hurts me that cross-dependencies and automatically installed
services gettng larger and larger with every realease

example:
/dev/sdb1  ext4  6,0G  1,8G  4,2G  30% /

this machine is only needed for netatalk, samba and gedit
additionally to 3 admin-guis over X-Forwarding are installed
system-config-users-1.2.107-1.fc14.noarch
system-config-samba-1.2.90-1.fc14.noarch
system-config-lvm-1.1.15-1.fc14.noarch

1.8 GB is really much for that usecase and it was a hard
piece of work to get all away which is not needed

somebody will come out now and telling me that disk-space
is cheap these days without realizing that SAN-Storage is
not cheap, having 20 virtual machines on a host muliplies
the wasted space and the useless time for updates of
packages never really used is forgotten too

it's time to get a solution for soft-dependencies to get
rid of packages with additional functionality possible
not needed and the everything should work for everybody
out of the box thoughts are making setups big with a small
benefit for only some peopole while others are frustrated

remember: every package/software/library which is not installed
is not vulnerable!




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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 01.06.2011 22:54, schrieb Ville Skyttä:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647

 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.

 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.

 Thoughts?

 PLEASE do not make a basic-install larger with something what maybe for 
 someone
 nice, thats from a user which installs bash-completion on each machine after
 setup, there are people out there using other shells and the base-setup has to
 be as small as possible

That wouldn't be a hard dep you can just uninstall it.
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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On 1 Jun 2011 21:54, Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647

 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.

 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.

 Thoughts?

Things like bash completion have massive performance implications on network
and other slower file systems esp if its used for home directories. It
certainly shouldn't be in base.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 15:04 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
 
 On 1 Jun 2011 21:54, Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote:
 
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
  I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default
 install.  In
  my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and
 with my
  upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is
 out.
 
  Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
  default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
  there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and
 base.
   admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not
 really
  an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
  activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
  Thoughts?
 
 Things like bash completion have massive performance implications on
 network and other slower file systems esp if its used for home
 directories. It certainly shouldn't be in base.
 

+1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 02.06.2011 16:04, schrieb drago01:
 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 01.06.2011 22:54, schrieb Ville Skyttä:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647

 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
 my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
 upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.

 Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
 default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
 there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
  admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
 an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
 activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.

 Thoughts?

 PLEASE do not make a basic-install larger with something what maybe for 
 someone
 nice, thats from a user which installs bash-completion on each machine 
 after
 setup, there are people out there using other shells and the base-setup has 
 to
 be as small as possible
 
 That wouldn't be a hard dep you can just uninstall it

so PLEASE install a new fedora and remove anything not needed for
ssh, rsync, scp and tell me how long it takes to find all of them

what you do with such a machine:
decide what services you will install on this bare setup or
using as it is as backup-host where rsync is enough

much of them you can only find with trial and error by look  what yum
says to a yum remove because package-cleanup --leaves does not
find most things without lib in the name

and then tell why the count of unneeded base-packages should be increased
remember: base is defined the absoloutly minimum to boot a system and
log in as root!



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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:11 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
 
 Am 02.06.2011 16:04, schrieb drago01:
  On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net 
  wrote:
 
  Am 01.06.2011 22:54, schrieb Ville Skyttä:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
  I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
  my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
  upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
  Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
  default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
  there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
   admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
  an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
  activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  PLEASE do not make a basic-install larger with something what maybe for 
  someone
  nice, thats from a user which installs bash-completion on each machine 
  after
  setup, there are people out there using other shells and the base-setup 
  has to
  be as small as possible
  
  That wouldn't be a hard dep you can just uninstall it
 
 so PLEASE install a new fedora and remove anything not needed for
 ssh, rsync, scp and tell me how long it takes to find all of them
 
 what you do with such a machine:
 decide what services you will install on this bare setup or
 using as it is as backup-host where rsync is enough
 
 much of them you can only find with trial and error by look  what yum
 says to a yum remove because package-cleanup --leaves does not
 find most things without lib in the name

package-cleanup --leaves --all


 
 and then tell why the count of unneeded base-packages should be increased
 remember: base is defined the absoloutly minimum to boot a system and
 log in as root!
 

no @core is - 

%packages --nobase

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 02.06.2011 16:15, schrieb seth vidal:
 so PLEASE install a new fedora and remove anything not needed for
 ssh, rsync, scp and tell me how long it takes to find all of them

 what you do with such a machine:
 decide what services you will install on this bare setup or
 using as it is as backup-host where rsync is enough

 much of them you can only find with trial and error by look  what yum
 says to a yum remove because package-cleanup --leaves does not
 find most things without lib in the name
 
 package-cleanup --leaves --all

is listing grub-0.97-66.fc14.x86_64
i hope you understand why i not trust this output :-)

 and then tell why the count of unneeded base-packages should be increased
 remember: base is defined the absoloutly minimum to boot a system and
 log in as root!

 
 no @core is - 
 
 %packages --nobase

please leave me in peace with discussins how a word is used and where
i mean simply the ability to install a minimal-system without any
optional software and this is getting harder every month



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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 06/02/2011 09:07 AM, seth vidal wrote:
 +1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
 to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.

Sounds like a bug instead of a con.
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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
  
  package-cleanup --leaves --all
 
 is listing grub-0.97-66.fc14.x86_64
 i hope you understand why i not trust this output :-)

grub isn't required. 



  and then tell why the count of unneeded base-packages should be increased
  remember: base is defined the absoloutly minimum to boot a system and
  log in as root!
 
  
  no @core is - 
  
  %packages --nobase
 
 please leave me in peace with discussins how a word is used and where
 i mean simply the ability to install a minimal-system without any
 optional software and this is getting harder every month

I don't disagree - but @base is not that group. @core is and @core is
still pretty small.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.06.2011 16:36, schrieb seth vidal:

 please leave me in peace with discussins how a word is used and where
 i mean simply the ability to install a minimal-system without any
 optional software and this is getting harder every month
 
 I don't disagree - but @base is not that group. @core is and @core is
 still pretty small.

i do not soo often install my systems new :-)

but what i notice over years on the same setup that permanently
new packages are required/installed and many of them obsoleted
sooner or later and i tried to get the focus a little bit more
to reduce dpendencies and automatic installed packages



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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/02/2011 10:32 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 On 06/02/2011 09:07 AM, seth vidal wrote:
 +1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
 to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.
 
 Sounds like a bug instead of a con.

 +1 :  Due to horrible performance issues.
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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: 
 On 1 Jun 2011 21:54, Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote:
 
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647
 
  I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install.  In
  my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my
  upstream hat on I expect things to further improve before F-16 is out.
 
  Why I'm writing here is that I'd like to hear opinions to which
  default-installed comps group should it be added (and set as default
  there) - in my opinion the serious candidates are admin-tools and base.
   admin-tools doesn't sound right because bash-completion is not really
  an admin tool (unless one considers interactive shell usage as admin
  activity in general), so I'm inclined to add it to base.
 
  Thoughts?
 
 Things like bash completion have massive performance implications on network
 and other slower file systems esp if its used for home directories. It
 certainly shouldn't be in base.

Moving it to default in @system-tools seems fine to me as a first step.
However, that's not in the 'default' install (but it would place it on
the install media.) If it's wanted in the default install, the @base
group is the best place for it (it doesn't belong in @core.)

From a size perspective, it's not a huge deal - 500k with no deps that
aren't already in @core. From a functionality perspective, it would be
good to fix the issues it has with disconnected machines, etc. - I've
always removed it personally because the times where it  would annoy me 
would always weigh higher than the times where it helped.

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patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Neal Becker
How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?

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Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
José Matos (jama...@fc.up.pt) said: 
 My problem in a sense is that it is limited in scope. :-(
 
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin was the feature page 
 for when the feature was initially deployed. The purpose of this is post is 
 to 
 raise awareness for this feature and continue to have it implemented to have 
 a 
 better experience for our users (from where developers are a subset).
 
 1) This feature will also allow firefox and thunderbird to earn langpacks as 
 they deserve.

It certainly allows for it - it requires that the packagers take advantage
of it. ISTR discussions in the past that the mechanics of creating the
langpacks in the spec file wasn't something they wanted to deal with at the
time. yum-langpacks can't help with that part.

 2) In the Optional/longer term ideas:
 3. recommendation for Packaging Guideline for standard naming of langpacks 
 (eg basename-langpack-lang)
 
 This seems an easy step, both to standardize the form of lang as well as to 
 suggest a virtual provides to packages that already provide this, I am 
 thinking in this case of packages like kde-i18n* or kde-i10n*.

These virtual provides should be there for any langpack that exists. I
suppose I should write an official packaging guideline for this.

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Neal Becker writes:


How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?


You mean you want to specify the dependency's version in a macro, that you  
put into Requires:? If so, just use the macro in your build script, it'll be  
expanded, and you can test its value. Bare-bones shell isn't usually  
convenient for understanding most kinds of version number formats. You may  
need to do something fancy.




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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 08:22:25AM +0200, fkoo...@tuxed.net wrote:
 This [1] may be of some help as a high level overview of how to deploy
 IPv6 on a LAN and various operating system IPv6 compatibilities.
 Fedora is doing quite well! The document is not a configuration help,
 but it might make it clear how everything fits together and brush you
 up on your IPv6 :-)
[...]
 [1]  
 http://www.surfnet.nl/Documents/IPv6%20Deployment%20In%20Local%20Area%20Networks.pdf

This document is a good introduction, but it appears to assume that
I've got an IPv6 router and internet connection.  I guess that's not
going to apply to very many people.

Is there an easy way I can set up IPv6 and a handful of machines on my
LAN for testing, without requiring any IPv6 internet connection or an
IPv6 assigned prefix?

The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6 addresses, eg:

$ ip addr show eth0
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

but pinging them gives me strange errors:

$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
unknown host
$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
connect: Invalid argument
$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
connect: Invalid argument

(Note I have no idea at all what I'm doing here so it's probably some
elementary error).

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BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:15:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
 I will be unable to attend tomorrow but I have concerns of making btrfs
 default without a well tested fsck. I'm aware one is due soon but I don't
 believe 3-4 months is enough time to test it well enough. On 2.6.38.x I
 still get regular kernel abrt crashes on resume. Is it even marked stable in
 the upstream kernel yet?

Another concern is whether btrfs is going to work well to store
virtual machine disk images (ie. to replace LVM for that purpose,
where LVM is known to work very efficiently).

Last time I looked -- which I admit was a really long time ago -- it
behaved fairly pathologically with these huge monolithic files that
are rewritten in-place.

(Edit: just noticed this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 )

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 09:32:21AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
  +1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
  to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.
 Sounds like a bug instead of a con.

Yeah. Bash-completion could stand to be broken up into a few sub-packages.

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 08:22:25AM +0200, fkoo...@tuxed.net wrote:
  This [1] may be of some help as a high level overview of how to deploy
  IPv6 on a LAN and various operating system IPv6 compatibilities.
  Fedora is doing quite well! The document is not a configuration help,
  but it might make it clear how everything fits together and brush you
  up on your IPv6 :-)
 [...]
  [1]  
  http://www.surfnet.nl/Documents/IPv6%20Deployment%20In%20Local%20Area%20Networks.pdf
 
 This document is a good introduction, but it appears to assume that
 I've got an IPv6 router and internet connection.  I guess that's not
 going to apply to very many people.
 
 Is there an easy way I can set up IPv6 and a handful of machines on my
 LAN for testing, without requiring any IPv6 internet connection or an
 IPv6 assigned prefix?
 
 The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6 addresses, eg:
 
 $ ip addr show eth0
 2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
 UNKNOWN qlen 1000
 link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
 inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link 
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 
 but pinging them gives me strange errors:
 
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
 unknown host
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
 connect: Invalid argument
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
 connect: Invalid argument

Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
using sockets have no way to let you do this. The only thing that
commonly uses the link local addresses is IPv6 autoconfig, at
which point you get a real IPv6 address, which is globally unique
that real applications can use.

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Neal Becker
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

 Neal Becker writes:
 
 How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?
 
 You mean you want to specify the dependency's version in a macro, that you
 put into Requires:? If so, just use the macro in your build script, it'll be
 expanded, and you can test its value. Bare-bones shell isn't usually
 convenient for understanding most kinds of version number formats. You may
 need to do something fancy.

I mean, a patch is needed only if one of the BR versions is less than a.b.  So 
I 
want to conditionally apply a patch, based on the version of the BR.

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 Is there an easy way I can set up IPv6 and a handful of machines on my
 LAN for testing, without requiring any IPv6 internet connection or an
 IPv6 assigned prefix?

Yes, every system automatically chooses a link-local address.

 The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6 addresses, eg:
 
 $ ip addr show eth0
 2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
 UNKNOWN qlen 1000
 link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
 inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link 
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

fe80:: are link local.  The hint is scope link.

 but pinging them gives me strange errors:
 
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
 unknown host
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
 connect: Invalid argument
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
 connect: Invalid argument

For using link local addresses, you need to specify the outgoing
network interface, because the addresses are global to the host, not
local to any one interface.  Otherwise, it would have no way of
knowing which interface to send the packets out of.  

Also, don't put the /nn, because that is the prefix length (equivalent
to the IPv4 subnetwork mask).

There are two ways typically to specify outgoing interface for link
local:

ping6 -I eth0 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228

or:

ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228%eth0

Some apps work with one vs. the other.

Another tidbit: for IPv6 literals like above, some applications
require you to put them in square brackets.  For example, web browsers
need this syntax:

http://[fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228%eth0]/

Support for %iface or [] syntax may not be universal, unfortunately.
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Björn Persson
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
  The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6 addresses, eg:
  
  $ ip addr show eth0
  2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
  state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
  
  link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
  inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
  inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link
  
 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
  
  but pinging them gives me strange errors:
  
  $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
  unknown host
  $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
  connect: Invalid argument
  $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
  connect: Invalid argument
 
 Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
 is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
 if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
 the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
 using sockets have no way to let you do this.

Ping6 has a way though:

$ ping6 -I eth0 fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c
PING fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c(fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c) from 
fe80::21e:8cff:fecf:cde5 eth0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.69 ms
64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.263 ms

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 11:48:35AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
 Sam Varshavchik wrote:
 
  Neal Becker writes:
  
  How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?
  
  You mean you want to specify the dependency's version in a macro, that you
  put into Requires:? If so, just use the macro in your build script, it'll be
  expanded, and you can test its value. Bare-bones shell isn't usually
  convenient for understanding most kinds of version number formats. You may
  need to do something fancy.
 
 I mean, a patch is needed only if one of the BR versions is less than a.b.  
 So I 
 want to conditionally apply a patch, based on the version of the BR.

How about this evil untested recursive invocation of rpm?

%prep
%configure

package=glibc
minversion=2.13.89

if [ $(
  rpm -q --queryformat '%{version}\n' $package |
cat - (echo $minversion) |
sort -V |
head -1
  ) = $minversion ]; then
%patch0 -p1
fi

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
 Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
  On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
   The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6 addresses, eg:
   
   $ ip addr show eth0
   2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
   state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
   
   link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
   inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
   inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link
   
  valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
   
   but pinging them gives me strange errors:
   
   $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
   unknown host
   $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
   connect: Invalid argument
   $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
   connect: Invalid argument
  
  Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
  is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
  if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
  the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
  using sockets have no way to let you do this.
 
 Ping6 has a way though:
 
 $ ping6 -I eth0 fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c
 PING fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c(fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c) from 
 fe80::21e:8cff:fecf:cde5 eth0: 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.69 ms
 64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.263 ms

But that's not so useful if no other programs can use these addresses.
Is there a way to assign proper addresses?  Just run radvd and
configure it with a random prefix?

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 05:06:54PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
   ) = $minversion ]; then

That test should be != instead of =

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[Bug 574195] AMAVISD_DB_HOME in amavisd-agent has wrong default

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Tom Callaway
On 06/02/2011 12:06 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 How about this evil untested recursive invocation of rpm?
 
 %prep
 %configure
 
 package=glibc
 minversion=2.13.89
 
 if [ $(
   rpm -q --queryformat '%{version}\n' $package |
 cat - (echo $minversion) |
 sort -V |
 head -1
   ) = $minversion ]; then
 %patch0 -p1
 fi

Please don't do that. Ever. Even if in this very specific case, it is
probably safe, invoking rpm within the spec file sets a very poor
example for the thousands of other cases where it is very unsafe/unreliable.

A better way would be to leverage the .pc file for the component being
BuildRequired, although, the .pc files sometimes have the API version as
opposed to the actual version (GNOME, I'm looking at you).

Alternate ideas include:

* Checking for a versioned directory
* Looking for a version definition in a header file
* Invoking a binary from the BR that spits out version

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Neal Becker writes:


Sam Varshavchik wrote:

 Neal Becker writes:

 How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?

 You mean you want to specify the dependency's version in a macro, that you
 put into Requires:? If so, just use the macro in your build script, it'll  
be

 expanded, and you can test its value. Bare-bones shell isn't usually
 convenient for understanding most kinds of version number formats. You may
 need to do something fancy.

I mean, a patch is needed only if one of the BR versions is less than a.b.   
So I

want to conditionally apply a patch, based on the version of the BR.


I see.

You're going to have to figure out what version of a dependency you're  
building against. I suppose you can can rpm -q --queryformat '%{VERSION}'  
$packagename, and get the version that way, then figure out if you want to  
apply a patch. That approach feels wrong. I would look at your  
dependency's files and see if its version can be retrieved from your  
dependency's installations. If your dependency uses pkgconfig, it's as  
simple as pkg-config --version $packagename.


Once you have the version, you can apply the patch.

if version test goes here
then
%patchX [options]
fi



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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:07:47 +0100
Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
  Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
   On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones
   wrote:
The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6
addresses, eg:

$ ip addr show eth0
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc
pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 1000

link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link

   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

but pinging them gives me strange errors:

$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
unknown host
$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
connect: Invalid argument
$ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
connect: Invalid argument
   
   Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
   is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
   if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
   the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
   using sockets have no way to let you do this.
  
  Ping6 has a way though:
  
  $ ping6 -I eth0 fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c
  PING fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c(fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c) from 
  fe80::21e:8cff:fecf:cde5 eth0: 56 data bytes
  64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.69
  ms 64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64
  time=0.263 ms
 
 But that's not so useful if no other programs can use these addresses.
 Is there a way to assign proper addresses?  Just run radvd and
 configure it with a random prefix?

Instead of random, you may want to use a Unique Local Address prefix,
following
http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/ipv6/ipv6-address-types

 
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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 09:32:21AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
  +1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
  to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.
 Sounds like a bug instead of a con.

 Yeah. Bash-completion could stand to be broken up into a few sub-packages.

To solve what kind of problem exactly?
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[Bug 564798] FTBFS ocaml-camlimages-3.0.2-2.fc13

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[Bug 555849] GTK+ and libsvg-cairo support missing from 1.2.0

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[Bug 548098] Fix dependency generator usage in all OCaml packages

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[Bug 548097] Fix OCaml packaging guidelines for new dependency generator

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:16:13PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:07:47 +0100
 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
   Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
 The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6
 addresses, eg:
 
 $ ip addr show eth0
 2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc
 pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
 
 link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
 inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link
 
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 
 but pinging them gives me strange errors:
 
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
 unknown host
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
 connect: Invalid argument
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
 connect: Invalid argument

Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
using sockets have no way to let you do this.
   
   Ping6 has a way though:
   
   $ ping6 -I eth0 fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c
   PING fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c(fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c) from 
   fe80::21e:8cff:fecf:cde5 eth0: 56 data bytes
   64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.69
   ms 64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64
   time=0.263 ms
  
  But that's not so useful if no other programs can use these addresses.
  Is there a way to assign proper addresses?  Just run radvd and
  configure it with a random prefix?
 
 Instead of random, you may want to use a Unique Local Address prefix,
 following
 http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/ipv6/ipv6-address-types

It works :-)

https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/ipv6-lan/

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Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Josef Bacik
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:15:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
 I will be unable to attend tomorrow but I have concerns of making btrfs
 default without a well tested fsck. I'm aware one is due soon but I don't
 believe 3-4 months is enough time to test it well enough. On 2.6.38.x I
 still get regular kernel abrt crashes on resume. Is it even marked stable in
 the upstream kernel yet?

 Another concern is whether btrfs is going to work well to store
 virtual machine disk images (ie. to replace LVM for that purpose,
 where LVM is known to work very efficiently).

 Last time I looked -- which I admit was a really long time ago -- it
 behaved fairly pathologically with these huge monolithic files that
 are rewritten in-place.

 (Edit: just noticed this bug:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 )


These sort of issues are my priority and I've spent the last 2 months
specifically working on the kvm performance differences between ext4
and btrfs.  Now we're not on par with ext4 yet, but we aren't 2-3
times slower any more, maybe at the most we're 20% slower.  Thanks,

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[Bug 543660] Perl Archive::Zip fails writing to an unseekable file handle after calling desiredCompressionLevel()

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[Bug 541542] ocaml-cairo: cairo_ps_surface_set_dpi_REPLACED_BY_cairo_surface_set_fallback_resolution

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[Bug 548098] Fix dependency generator usage in all OCaml packages

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   What|Removed |Added

Version|13  |rawhide
   Flag|needinfo?(rjo...@redhat.com |
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Bump up to Rawhide since there are a handful of
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[Bug 548097] Fix OCaml packaging guidelines for new dependency generator

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[Bug 529172] Fedora::Bugzilla - get_flag() doesn't work for all flags

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Re: BTRFS concerns

2011-06-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/02/2011 01:14 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:


 
 These sort of issues are my priority and I've spent the last 2 months
 specifically working on the kvm performance differences between ext4
 and btrfs.  Now we're not on par with ext4 yet, but we aren't 2-3
 times slower any more, maybe at the most we're 20% slower.  Thanks,
 
 Josef


  Wondering - Are all the pieces (user space included) in place for RAID
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Request for removal of package from Fedora repositories: dasher.x86_64

2011-06-02 Thread nodata
Hello,

dasher in Fedora has been broken for me since Fedora 12.

The bug I entered has recently been automatically closed.

dasher doesn't work in 64-bit and can be crashed by asking it to go 
fullscreen.

What's the procedure to get the package removed?

Thanks.

Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538336
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Re: Request for removal of package from Fedora repositories: dasher.x86_64

2011-06-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
nodata wrote:
 Hello,

 dasher in Fedora has been broken for me since Fedora 12.

 The bug I entered has recently been automatically closed.

 dasher doesn't work in 64-bit and can be crashed by asking it to go 
 fullscreen.

 What's the procedure to get the package removed?

 Thanks.

 Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538336
   
That's a bit premature.  Have you tried contacting any of the other 
maintainers?

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/dasher

If the primary maintainer isn't responding, you could try the following:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 12:16 -0400 schrieb Bernd Stramm:
 On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:07:47 +0100
 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
   Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:40:10PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
 The Linux machines on my LAN appear to have acquired IPv6
 addresses, eg:
 
 $ ip addr show eth0
 2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc
 pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
 
 link/ether 00:e0:81:74:02:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.0.128/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
 inet6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64 scope link
 
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 
 but pinging them gives me strange errors:
 
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228/64
 unknown host
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74:228
 connect: Invalid argument
 $ ping6 fe80::2e0:81ff:fe74
 connect: Invalid argument

Anything with an  fe80:: prefix is a link local address, which
is only unique within the scope of a single LAN segment. Thus
if you want to send traffic to such addresses, you need to specify
the NIC to send the traffic out from. The vast majority of apps
using sockets have no way to let you do this.
   
   Ping6 has a way though:
   
   $ ping6 -I eth0 fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c
   PING fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c(fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c) from 
   fe80::21e:8cff:fecf:cde5 eth0: 56 data bytes
   64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.69
   ms 64 bytes from fe80::200:24ff:fec9:2e0c: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64
   time=0.263 ms
  
  But that's not so useful if no other programs can use these addresses.
  Is there a way to assign proper addresses?  Just run radvd and
  configure it with a random prefix?
 
 Instead of random, you may want to use a Unique Local Address prefix,
 following
 http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/ipv6/ipv6-address-types
 

I brought this up some time ago: Assigning ULA instead of LL would be
somewhat more user friendly:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615063
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581579

In my eyes just assigning a LL adress is not very user friendly.

  
  Rich.
  
 
 
 
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Re: Request for removal of package from Fedora repositories: dasher.x86_64

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM, nodata l...@nodata.co.uk wrote:
 Hello,

 dasher in Fedora has been broken for me since Fedora 12.

 The bug I entered has recently been automatically closed.

 dasher doesn't work in 64-bit and can be crashed by asking it to go
 fullscreen.

 What's the procedure to get the package removed?

 Thanks.

 Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538336

Dasher works fine on a 64 bit system on F15 here.
My version = dasher-4.10.1-2.fc12.x86_64

It looks like it hasn't been touched in some time though.
There is a newer version out (4.11) available here:
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/Download.html

Not sure if that will make the difference for you.

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[Bug 705308] perlbrew-0.21 is available

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perlbrew-0.22-1.fc15 has been pushed to the Fedora 15 stable repository.  If
problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.

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[Bug 692060] perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-X509-1.800.1 is available

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perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-X509-1.800.2-1.el6 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 6
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[Bug 692060] perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-X509-1.800.1 is available

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   Fixed In Version|perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-X509-1.8 |perl-Crypt-OpenSSL-X509-1.8
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[Bug 709269] perl-SOAP-Lite provides bogus perl(LWP::Protocol)

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Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed:

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 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA

--- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2011-06-02 
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Package perl-SOAP-Lite-0.712-5.fc14:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 14 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing perl-SOAP-Lite-0.712-5.fc14'
as soon as you are able to.
Please go to the following url:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-SOAP-Lite-0.712-5.fc14
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread fkoo...@tuxed.net
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 Is there an easy way I can set up IPv6 and a handful of machines on my
 LAN for testing, without requiring any IPv6 internet connection or an
 IPv6 assigned prefix?

If you do want an assigned prefix, or real connectivity and not want
to set up a (static) tunnel it may be possible to use 6to4 if your
router is not behind NAT. See
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IPv6Guide#Tunnel_Configuration.

I did not test this myself (in Fedora), and 6to4 tends to be a bit
flaky (in general) so ymmv.

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Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:44:46PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
 Once upon a time, Josef Bacik jo...@toxicpanda.com said:
  These sort of issues are my priority and I've spent the last 2 months
  specifically working on the kvm performance differences between ext4
  and btrfs.  Now we're not on par with ext4 yet, but we aren't 2-3
  times slower any more, maybe at the most we're 20% slower.  Thanks,
 
 How does it compare to straight LVM for virtual images?  I create a big
 LV and then only use part of it for the host OS VG; when I create VMs, I
 create a VG for each (or I can snapshot an existing base VG).
 
 It is my understanding that one goal for btrfs is to take LVM out of the
 picture for the common case; i.e. btrfs can do its own logical volume
 management.  If that's the case, there needs to be something comparable
 to the VM-on-VG setup (in terms of ease-of-management and performance).

Maybe I'm not understanding your question correctly, but a filesystem
is more general than LVM.  You can create directories corresponding to
your current VGs and files for your LVs, with the advantage that you
can nest directories which you can't do with LVM VGs.

However the performance issue will be critical -- even 5% slower
really matters for VMs.  But I hope btrfs can close this gap because
the filesystem design is really nice.

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Re: Quick update PPC status

2011-06-02 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:48:36 PM David Woodhouse wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 18:53 +0200, Phil Knirsch wrote:
  We have tested them on a Power7 box as well as on an older Apple G5, but
  your mileage may vary. Especially on Power5 and Power6 the problem still
  exists that the unified initramfs of Anaconda is too large to fit into
  the initial RAM during bootup, so you'll need to revert to the method
  described in the next paragraph.
 
 Have we actually switched all userspace to 64-bit on 64-bit machines?
 That would exacerbate the initrd size issue quite a lot, wouldn't it?
 
 As well as being significantly less well-tested than the 32-bit support
 was.
if so this is exactly the same as what rhel6 does

 Are the ExcludeArch trackers still up to date for ppc and ppc64? Is
 there an estimate of how many packages are not built for ppc64 that
 *are* built for ppc32?
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Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-06-02 Thread Aurimas Černius
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Hash: SHA1

Hi all,

 It doesn't integrate into GNOME 3 any more, since it relies on a panel
 applet and GNOME 3 doesn't support those.
 
 It seems to work really well in Gnome 3. The applet sits down in the
 notification bar (like empathy) and is almost as convenient to use as
 it used to be.

That's not actually applet, it's status icon, although they look the
same. I'm going to change this behaviour by making Search All Notes
window the main one. I plan to keep status icon available via setting,
but not enabled by default.

 I just wish I could figure out how to get it to start that way using
 gnome-session-properties ... it only seems to include a persistent
 notification bar icon if you start it after logging in.

Gnote gives status icon 2 seconds to appear and shows Search All Notes
window as main, if that fails. If you somehow delay the gnote start
(wrap to some script for example) until desktop components like tray are
available, it should start in a tray.

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Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com said:
 Maybe I'm not understanding your question correctly, but a filesystem
 is more general than LVM.  You can create directories corresponding to
 your current VGs and files for your LVs, with the advantage that you
 can nest directories which you can't do with LVM VGs.
 
 However the performance issue will be critical -- even 5% slower
 really matters for VMs.  But I hope btrfs can close this gap because
 the filesystem design is really nice.

That was really my original point (that I didn't really state clearly I
guess); btrfs performance with VM disk images should be compared against
LVM VGs as well against ext4.

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rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

2011-06-02 Thread Josh Stone
Hi,

Our dtrace script in systemtap-sdt-devel starts #!/usr/bin/python.
Usually this leads to an implicit Requires: /usr/bin/python, but for
some reason our rawhide build did not get this.  The F15, F14, and F13
builds from the same spec required python as expected.

The rawhide build which missed the dependency:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=244934
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2556409

Compared to the F15 build which properly requires python:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=244942
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2556473

Is this a bug?  Or must we now explicitly require python?

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Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Aurimas Černius  wrote:



 Gnote gives status icon 2 seconds to appear and shows Search All Notes
 window as main, if that fails. If you somehow delay the gnote start
 (wrap to some script for example) until desktop components like tray are
 available, it should start in a tray.


When set to auto start on a session launch,  users expect it to sit on the
tray (without any wrappers needed) and not show the search all notes
window.

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Re: rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Jun 2, 2011 9:26 PM, Josh Stone jist...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Our dtrace script in systemtap-sdt-devel starts #!/usr/bin/python.
 Usually this leads to an implicit Requires: /usr/bin/python, but for
 some reason our rawhide build did not get this.  The F15, F14, and F13
 builds from the same spec required python as expected.

 The rawhide build which missed the dependency:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=244934
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2556409

 Compared to the F15 build which properly requires python:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=244942
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2556473

 Is this a bug?  Or must we now explicitly require python?

Is it set as executable? If not the department scan will ignore it.

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Re: rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

2011-06-02 Thread Josh Stone
On 06/02/2011 01:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
 Is it set as executable? If not the department scan will ignore it.

Yes, it is executable:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/fileinfo?rpmID=2556409filename=/usr/bin/dtrace
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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Brendan Jones
On 06/03/2011 12:47 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Moving it to default in @system-tools seems fine to me as a first step.
 However, that's not in the 'default' install (but it would place it on
 the install media.) If it's wanted in the default install, the @base
 group is the best place for it (it doesn't belong in @core.)


systemd includes a bash-completion script for systmctl. Enabling bash 
completion by default would then benefit those making the transition to 
systemd
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones

On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 09:11:47PM +0200, fkoo...@tuxed.net wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
  Is there an easy way I can set up IPv6 and a handful of machines on my
  LAN for testing, without requiring any IPv6 internet connection or an
  IPv6 assigned prefix?
 
 If you do want an assigned prefix, or real connectivity and not want
 to set up a (static) tunnel it may be possible to use 6to4 if your
 router is not behind NAT. See
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IPv6Guide#Tunnel_Configuration.
 
 I did not test this myself (in Fedora), and 6to4 tends to be a bit
 flaky (in general) so ymmv.

I was thinking about the lowest barrier to entry possible so that as
many people can test Fedora IPv6 next week, even if they're only
testing it on their LAN.

Setting up 6to4 involves at least joining a service like sixxs, which
even if free takes a certain amount of time and effort.

I just turned on radvd, and now my Fedora machines are getting IPv6
addresses.  By adding DNS entries for a few machines, it's choosing
IPv6 protocol by default for many things including writing (if not
sending) this email.

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[Bug 541542] ocaml-cairo: cairo_ps_surface_set_dpi_REPLACED_BY_cairo_surface_set_fallback_resolution

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Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||1:1.2.0-0.2.gita5c5ee9f.fc1
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Last Closed||2011-06-02 17:23:16

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On 2 Jun 2011 15:32, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:

 On 06/02/2011 09:07 AM, seth vidal wrote:
  +1 -  I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
  to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.

 Sounds like a bug instead of a con.

I believe it has to run stat or similar multiple times on every file. I can
even notice it on my local hard disk with luks.

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 06/02/2011 04:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 Setting up 6to4 involves at least joining a service like sixxs, which
 even if free takes a certain amount of time and effort.

The method you quoted does not require an account with a tunnel provider.

There is an RFC giving provisions for global IPv4 to IPv6 routers using 
the 2002 prefix. Sprint has some 6to4 routers spread around the USA.

I'm using the 6to4 method (for several years now). The only requirement 
is that you must perform the setup on an Internet-connected router box, 
not on a workstation behind a router.

The other method that you are thinking of hands out native IPv6 addresses.
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[Bug 628655] perl segfaults when joining a thread and using perl-Tk

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Version|13  |14
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:53:25PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 On 06/02/2011 04:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
  Setting up 6to4 involves at least joining a service like sixxs, which
  even if free takes a certain amount of time and effort.
 
 The method you quoted does not require an account with a tunnel provider.
 
 There is an RFC giving provisions for global IPv4 to IPv6 routers using 
 the 2002 prefix. Sprint has some 6to4 routers spread around the USA.
 
 I'm using the 6to4 method (for several years now). The only requirement 
 is that you must perform the setup on an Internet-connected router box, 
 not on a workstation behind a router.
 
 The other method that you are thinking of hands out native IPv6 addresses.

Given that I mostly don't know about IPv6, what's the best way for
people to test IPv6 next Wednesday, given what I think are the
following common limitations:

 - they'll have one (or two if we're lucky) Fedora machines

 - they'll be using a private LAN behind a $40 router that doesn't
   know anything about IPv6

 - they have very limited time and want to do the minimum work possible
   to set it up

 - they themselves know next to nothing about IPv6
?

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Re: patch only if dependent version x? (rpm spec)

2011-06-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Neal Becker wrote:
 How can I apply a patch only if the version of a dependency is  x?

I generally do something like:

%if 0%{?fedora}  NN
%global have_foo_MMM 1
%endif

%if 0%{?have_foo_MMM}
BuildRequires: foo-devel = MMM
%else
BuildRequires: foo-devel  MMM
%endif

…

%prep
%if 0%{?have_foo_MMM}
%patchPPP -p1 -b .fooMMM
%endif

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[Bug 710290] New: ocaml-findlib should require ocaml

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Summary: ocaml-findlib should require ocaml

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710290

   Summary: ocaml-findlib should require ocaml
   Product: Fedora
   Version: 15
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: ocaml-findlib
AssignedTo: rjo...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: or...@cora.nwra.com
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: rjo...@redhat.com, lxt...@gmail.com,
fedora-ocaml-l...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---


Description of problem:

# ocamlfind c -package cairo.lablgtk2 -linkpkg test_gtk.ml -o test_gtk
ocamlfind: /usr/lib/ocaml/ld.conf: No such file or directory
# repoquery --whatprovides /usr/lib/ocaml/ld.conf
ocaml-0:3.12.0-5.fc15.i686
# rpm -q ocaml
package ocaml is not installed

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
ocaml-findlib-1.2.6-2.fc15.i686

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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 06/02/2011 05:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 Given that I mostly don't know about IPv6, what's the best way for
 people to test IPv6 next Wednesday, given what I think are the
 following common limitations:

   - they'll have one (or two if we're lucky) Fedora machines

They could connect their Internet modem directly to their Fedora machine.

   - they'll be using a private LAN behind a $40 router that doesn't
 know anything about IPv6

If they're lucky enough to have a DD-WRT (or OpenWRT) supported router, 
they could flash the firmware to those distributions and use the 6to4 
method. DD-WRT has a web-based tool to do the configure work.

   - they have very limited time and want to do the minimum work possible
 to set it up

Unfortunately, if their ISP doesn't provide IPv6, there is not an easy 
method in Fedora. You either setup a local 6to4 tunnel or create an 
account with a tunneling provider.

   - they themselves know next to nothing about IPv6

The 6to4 method is simple to implement. You just have to have the 
correct hardware configuration. No specific IPv6 knowledge is required 
beyond following some directions.

There is another method for tunneling, which Microsoft Windows uses, 
that involves UPnP (to forward an IPv4 port on the local router). It is 
called Teredo[1]. Most dumb $40 routers support UPnP by default so 
Fedora could add Teredo support and provide easy-to-use (default?) IPv6 
access.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teredo_tunneling
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I think we're talking at cross-purposes here.  I want people to be
able to test IPv6 *on their local LAN only* next Wednesday with the
minimum amount of fuss.

They can just test that it works between two machines, one Fedora, one
might be Fedora or it might be something else like Windows acting as a
client.  This should be sufficient to test a variety of common
services: HTTP, NFS, SMB, DNS and that sort of thing.

I don't want to be guiding people through flashing their routers ...

Rich.

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Guidance on hulahop epoch usage

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Hutterer
Jeremy pinged me about an issue with the hulahop package (#574484).
Disclaimer: I'm not the maintainer of the package but Simon has been a bit
quiet on this bug. I was opened for F12 over a year ago.

hulahop had it's Epoch bumped on the F-10 branch to hulahop-1:0.4.6-5.fc10
(commit 3c3f6d12edb) to undo 0.4.7 update. That epoch bump was
limited to F-10, no other branches saw it afaict.

So anyone who ever installed the F-10 package is stuck with it. Anyone else
is still fine. Yum on my box claims the version available on f15 is indeed
the 0.7.1 currently in the repos (I never had the F-10 package installed).

What's the correct thing to do here? Just bump the Epoch again and get on
with life?

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Re: Guidance on hulahop epoch usage

2011-06-02 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:51:55 +1000
Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote:
 hulahop had it's Epoch bumped on the F-10 branch to
 hulahop-1:0.4.6-5.fc10 (commit 3c3f6d12edb) to undo 0.4.7 update.
 That epoch bump was limited to F-10, no other branches saw it afaict.
 
 So anyone who ever installed the F-10 package is stuck with it.
 Anyone else is still fine. Yum on my box claims the version available
 on f15 is indeed the 0.7.1 currently in the repos (I never had the
 F-10 package installed).
 
 What's the correct thing to do here? Just bump the Epoch again and
 get on with life?

Yes, the correct way to fix this would be to set Epoch: 1 in the
current spec file. That way version 0.7.1 would be allowed to update
the 0.4.7 with Epoch 1.

However, given that the problematic package only appeared in Fedora 10
and upgrade paths are guaranteed by Fedora policy only from F(N-1) to
F(N), I'd say that there's probably no need to fix this any more, since
any remaining installations haven't had updates for ages and upgrading
to a current release cleanly would require a clean reinstall anyway.
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Re: Guidance on hulahop epoch usage

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 02:21:14AM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:51:55 +1000
 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote:
  hulahop had it's Epoch bumped on the F-10 branch to
  hulahop-1:0.4.6-5.fc10 (commit 3c3f6d12edb) to undo 0.4.7 update.
  That epoch bump was limited to F-10, no other branches saw it afaict.
  
  So anyone who ever installed the F-10 package is stuck with it.
  Anyone else is still fine. Yum on my box claims the version available
  on f15 is indeed the 0.7.1 currently in the repos (I never had the
  F-10 package installed).
  
  What's the correct thing to do here? Just bump the Epoch again and
  get on with life?
 
 Yes, the correct way to fix this would be to set Epoch: 1 in the
 current spec file. That way version 0.7.1 would be allowed to update
 the 0.4.7 with Epoch 1.
 
 However, given that the problematic package only appeared in Fedora 10
 and upgrade paths are guaranteed by Fedora policy only from F(N-1) to
 F(N), I'd say that there's probably no need to fix this any more, since
 any remaining installations haven't had updates for ages and upgrading
 to a current release cleanly would require a clean reinstall anyway.

true, but anyone who would have had hulahop installed at F-10 time and did
the (guaranteed) update to F11, F12, ... F15 at the right times would still
have this issue now, right?

tbh, it seems to be corner case enough to just say uninstall and
re-install but nonetheless...

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Re: Guidance on hulahop epoch usage

2011-06-02 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:39:13 +1000
Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 02:21:14AM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
  However, given that the problematic package only appeared in Fedora
  10 and upgrade paths are guaranteed by Fedora policy only from
  F(N-1) to F(N), I'd say that there's probably no need to fix this
  any more, since any remaining installations haven't had updates for
  ages and upgrading to a current release cleanly would require a
  clean reinstall anyway.
 
 true, but anyone who would have had hulahop installed at F-10 time
 and did the (guaranteed) update to F11, F12, ... F15 at the right
 times would still have this issue now, right?
 
 tbh, it seems to be corner case enough to just say uninstall and
 re-install but nonetheless...

Yes. It's just a bit hard to believe that there would be still a lot of 
systems suffering from this, since yum would have complained about the
problem on every update, and you haven't had a single bug report about
the issue in a time period of more than two years..?
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Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 06/02/2011 05:29 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 I think we're talking at cross-purposes here.  I want people to be
 able to test IPv6*on their local LAN only*  next Wednesday with the
 minimum amount of fuss.
In that case: Since Fedora defaults to link-local, they would have to 
run radvd locally just like you had to, run a DHCPv6 server, or assign 
IPv6 addresses manually in NetworkManager. My suggestion would be to set 
IPs manually. (fd00:1:2:3::1, fd00:1:2:3::2, etc)


 I don't want to be guiding people through flashing their routers ...

Aw, you're no fun. :P
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Re: Guidance on hulahop epoch usage

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 03:12:39AM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
 On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:39:13 +1000
 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 02:21:14AM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
   However, given that the problematic package only appeared in Fedora
   10 and upgrade paths are guaranteed by Fedora policy only from
   F(N-1) to F(N), I'd say that there's probably no need to fix this
   any more, since any remaining installations haven't had updates for
   ages and upgrading to a current release cleanly would require a
   clean reinstall anyway.
  
  true, but anyone who would have had hulahop installed at F-10 time
  and did the (guaranteed) update to F11, F12, ... F15 at the right
  times would still have this issue now, right?
  
  tbh, it seems to be corner case enough to just say uninstall and
  re-install but nonetheless...
 
 Yes. It's just a bit hard to believe that there would be still a lot of 
 systems suffering from this, since yum would have complained about the
 problem on every update, and you haven't had a single bug report about
 the issue in a time period of more than two years..?

As stated in the first email, there is a bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574484
People (well, at least one person) first complained about it Mach 2010 - no
one listened (or did anything about it).

Anyway, I'll tell Jeremy he'll need to manually remove/update.

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Review swaps

2011-06-02 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi there!

Could someone please review these tickets? I'll be happy to review their
tickets in return :)

[1] FreeMedForms - An open Electronic Medical Record Manager
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707002

[2] dcm4che - A DICOM implementation in Java
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710212

This third package has a minor issue. It bundles quazip. Is there a
qmake user here who could please tell me how to make the build process
point to fedora's version  of qmake instead of the bundled one?

[3]  freediams - Pharmaceutical Drugs Prescriptor
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=705104


These are packages related to the Fedora Medical SIG[4]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/FedoraMedical

Thanks!
Regards,
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[Bug 613872] Request for support in EPEL

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--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2011-06-02 
02:47:28 EDT ---
perl-Chart-2.4.2-1.el5 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL 5.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Chart-2.4.2-1.el5

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[Bug 613872] Request for support in EPEL

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perl-Chart-2.4.2-3.el6 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL 6.
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[Bug 613872] Request for support in EPEL

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[Bug 709697] Please upgrade to MailTools 2.08

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   Fixed In Version||perl-MailTools-2.08-1.fc16
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Last Closed||2011-06-02 02:52:26

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File ORLite-1.49.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2011-06-02 Thread Petr Sabata
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