yum update F16-F17

2012-06-04 Thread Zhangsan
I've tried updating F16 to F17 with yum again today,
#yum -v --releasever=17 repolist

Loading langpacks plugin
Loading presto plugin
Loading show-leaves plugin
Adding zh_CN to language list
Adding C to language list
Config time: 0.011
Yum Version: 3.4.3
Setting up Package Sacks
pkgsack time: 0.026
Repo-id  : fedora
Repo-name: Fedora 17 - x86_64
Repo-revision: 1337941209
Repo-tags: binary-x86_64
Repo-distro-tags: [cpe:/o:fedoraproject:fedora:17]: r
Repo-updated : Fri May 25 18:39:56 2012
Repo-pkgs: 27,033
Repo-size: 27 G
Repo-metalink: 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-17arch=x86_64
  Updated: Fri May 25 18:39:56 2012
Repo-baseurl : 
http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/fedora/linux/development/17/x86_64/os/
 : (15 more)
Repo-expire  : 604,800 second(s) (last: Mon Jun  4 14:18:27 2012)
Repo-filename: ///etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo

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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 11:00 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote:
 fre 2012-06-01 klockan 09:48 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson:
 
  Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
  DVD/netinst upgrades. That path is less complex than preupgrade and
  involves fewer moving parts; it's easier to test and easier to fix and
  more likely, in general, to be working at any given point.
 
 Please no. Once Fedora is installed it really ought to be able to
 upgrade itself without needing new boot media twice a year, that's just
 not user friendly. It's also much safer to first download everything and
 then start the RPM transaction. (IIUC a normal Anaconda upgrade will
 download packages during the upgrade.)

You state an aspiration, I state my advice based on practical
experience. Your aspiration would be nice, sure. It doesn't accurately
match reality at present. I'm happy advising experienced users who don't
mind a bit of poking about to use yum to keep upgrading ad infinitum. I
would not recommend it to all users, though, or say it was our
supported-and-most-likely-to-work upgrade mechanism. And my most
important point, anyway, is that DVD/netinst upgrade is, practically
speaking, generally more reliable than preupgrade, in recent history.
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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 20:17 +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:

 * 1st attempt:
 Clean upgrade of Fedora 16 from DVD. I left the PC unattended while
 anaconda was upgrading RPM packages. I returned a couple of hours
 later and found a kernel panic. I was too angry to take note of the
 error. The system was no longer able to boot.
 
 * 2nd attempt:
 New installation of Fedora 17 from DVD. I chose to enable also the F17
 remote repositories including updates - but not updates-testing. I
 left my harddisk layout unchanged (obviously I didn't format my
 /home). All partition were already ext4. I choose the Software
 development option. At about 80% of installation anaconda reported
 that there were an error in an RPM package and it couldn't complete
 the installation. The image was correctly checked after downloading
 and brasero reported that the ISO was mastered fine on DVD.
 
 * 3rd attempt:
 Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
 only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the Install repo so
 I presume all the packages were downloaded from the net. At about 85%
 of installation I got a kernel panic - this time I took care of the
 message unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
 0088.

Frankly, I wouldn't trust your hardware.

The installer uses the same kernel as the installed system, so even if
you get it to install (which apparently you finally did), if you're
getting quasi-random kernel panics, I wouldn't be at all surprised if
you keep getting them on the installed system.

That (and 'inexplicable' errors like failure to read a package on
known-good media) points either to bad hardware or a kernel bug specific
to your system in some way (as we don't have any known general kernel
breakage AFAIK). You'd definitely need to get better data on one of the
crashes (i.e. an actual log, or at least screen capture) and give it to
the kernel team, to look into it.

It may be worth running memtest on the system, first, though.
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Re: Easy way of testing packages?

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 17:22 +0200, Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 17:00 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
  Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote:
   is there an easy way to test packages except of using
   
   $ yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update package
  
  yum install yum-security
  yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012- update
 
 Ah this looks good!
 
 However, I have one question left. Does the yum plugin download the
 package directly from koji or do I have to wait until the package is
 distributed to all mirrors (because the command still mentions the
 updates-testing repo)?

It uses the repos defined in yum. So updates-testing.

If you're in a hurry to get an update earlier, you can use koji or bodhi
command-line tools to download specific NEVRs or (in the case of bodhi)
update IDs.

e.g.:

bodhi -D FEDORA-2012-7716
bodhi -D mesa-8.0.2-8.fc17
koji download-build --arch=x86_64 --arch=noarch 321768
koji download-build --arch=x86_64 --arch=noarch ocaml-3.12.1-9.fc17

see 'man koji' and 'man bodhi' for more details.

If you do this regularly it's probably easiest to set up a local 'side'
repo - I have ~/local/repo/x86_64 and a file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ to
make that directory a repository (with a very short metadata expiry
time). I download the packages to that path, run 'createrepo .', and
then use yum to install the packages. For occasional use, you can just
run yum directly on the packages; it's getting quite good at that. e.g.
running 'yum update *' on a directory full of .rpms will do what you'd
(probably) expect - for any of those packages you have installed, it'll
update them; others will be left out.

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[Test-Announce] 2012-06-04 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting
# Date: 2012-06-04
# Time: 15:00 UTC
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto)
# Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net

Greetings testers!

It's meeting time again. Not much on the agenda this week, but we'd like
to cover the 'Fedora 18 planning' topic that was postponed last week due
to the Americans being on holiday. Brian, David - if you could come
along for that section it'd help a lot, as we need to plan newUI
testing.

This is a reminder of the upcoming QA meeting.  Please add any topic
suggestions to the meeting wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120604 (I know I'm still a bit
behind on the wiki pages. Sorry. Let's say, if you want to add a topic,
create the page and put it in, eh?)

The current proposed agenda is included below.

== Proposed Agenda Topics ==
1. Previous meeting follow-up
2. Fedora 18 planning
3. AutoQA update
4. Open floor
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Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-06-04 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:46:38AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 On 05/29/2012 05:21 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
 We actually have this on the QA wishlist and it was one of the projects
 we proposed for GSoC for QA, but it didn't quite make it. We may still
 wind up doing it through some other channel, though. See also
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2012#Fedora_Gooey_Karma
   andhttp://blog.tirfa.com/gooey-karma.
 
 It makes no sense to have a gui application ( or an application for
 that matter ) without having written the relevant how to debug/how
 to test pages for each component to accommodate it.
 
 Such an application will just fail without it and might cause more
 harm then good and yeah I have already mention the root cause for
 those pages not already existing on this thread.

I could not disagree more. It is blind reliance on written test cases
that might cause more harm than good. IOW, if a tester does not know how
a package works, it would be better if he did not test it.

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Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-06-04 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 06:58:00PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 On 05/29/2012 06:13 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
   It makes no sense to have a gui application ( or an application for that
   matter ) without having written the relevant how to debug/how to test
   pages for each component to accommodate it.
 Indeed. However, I'd argue*both*  pieces, a karma app and good test-cases,
 are needed, and one not need block on the other.
 
 Well we then agree on disagreeing since updating the component and
 running the relevant application is hardly what I call testing and
 requiring karma points to just do that makes absolutely no sense to
 me.

It is called smoketesting and I think it fulfills the objective of
avoiding broken updates pretty well, thanks. Note that we are talking
about Fedora here, not RHEL. If you are not satisfied with the current
level of testing, you are welcomed to do something about it. But forcing
others to do something is not the right way to go.

 In any case this is something we solve in the QA community and
 arguably we should be the one that decide all this and FPC just
 implements what we have decided and tell them to.
 
 This really does not involve Fesco and we already have a good
 working relationship with releng.

Again, this is Fedora we are talking about, not RHEL. If you (the QA
community) decide on some new policy that most maintainers disagree
with, they will just ignore it and there is _absolutely nothing_ you can
do to enforce it. Period.

D.
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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Jan Synacek jsyna...@redhat.com wrote:
   yum groupinstall GNOME Desktop Environment

 This alone unfortunately doesn't do the trick. You will probably have to

    yum groupinstall X Window System

 as well as some drivers for your graphic card to get it working.

 I also had to order selinux to relabel my entire /home to be able to get into
 any gnome session.

I also had to install a bunch of other yum groups, edit systemd config
to default do a graphical boot, recreate my old users, chown their
directories, and perform restorecon on /home.

Bye,

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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 * 3rd attempt:
 Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
 only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the Install repo so
 I presume all the packages were downloaded from the net. At about 85%
 of installation I got a kernel panic - this time I took care of the
 message unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
 0088.

 Frankly, I wouldn't trust your hardware.

 The installer uses the same kernel as the installed system, so even if
 you get it to install (which apparently you finally did), if you're
 getting quasi-random kernel panics, I wouldn't be at all surprised if
 you keep getting them on the installed system.

 That (and 'inexplicable' errors like failure to read a package on
 known-good media) points either to bad hardware or a kernel bug specific
 to your system in some way (as we don't have any known general kernel
 breakage AFAIK). You'd definitely need to get better data on one of the
 crashes (i.e. an actual log, or at least screen capture) and give it to
 the kernel team, to look into it.

 It may be worth running memtest on the system, first, though.

Everything can be and I will run memtest as you advised.

But I didn't had any kernel problem in the past - and I've used every
Fedora release on the same PC for about 4 years. After I could bypass
this problem - I could install the system, including I think all the
RPMs anaconda was trying to install without any problem. Note that I
don't run the same kernel used by anaconda because in fedora updates
there is available a newer one.

Anyway, in case I hit this issue again, I would be interested to know
how to get the log of this kind of error.

Regards,

Andrea.
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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Richard Körber



The outcome was that a bunch of people were deriding MATE and not
wanting it in Fedora.


And this is why after 12 years of Red Hat and Fedora, I'm now moving to 
Linux Mint. I know I'm going to miss yum, but at least they support 
Cinnamon and Mate.


I gave Gnome 3 a fair chance from its first release up to Fedora 17 
beta, but it still feels like doing my job in spite of the desktop. I 
wonder why Fedora is pushing Gnome 3 like that...


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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Kamil Paral
 I'd like to brought to wider attention the bug
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693180
 
 What's the matter?
 
 If you install wine, it brings as a dependency wine-tahoma font, that
 is
 then included in system wide fonts list. This causes the font to be
 used
 by applications like Firefox when pages require tahoma. As the font
 is
 badly looking, it makes many things to look terrible.
 
 Some of us think, this font should be made specific for the wine
 application and not used system wide as it breaks the look and feel
 of too
 many things.
 
 Please make your voice to be heard on that.
 
 
 Adam Pribyl

Adam, it might be better to cross-post this also to devel@ list, doing that now.

I believe there are a few good engineering practices that every software should 
keep. One of them is that installing one application should not have 
detrimental effects to another application. That is violated here. Installing 
wine brings broken fonts (Tahoma, maybe some others) into the system and then 
have detrimental effects on font rendering in web applications. We should do 
something about it.

It is unfortunate that wine package maintainer doesn't want to discuss this 
issue any further. To some extent, he is even right. Wine depends on a font and 
fonts are installed into system-wide directories. Web pages request that font. 
End of story. But the reality is not perfect and often we have to do 
compromises. This is another obstacle presented by Microsoft to the opensource 
world and we can't simply insist on that one and only correct solution. 
Because we know Tahoma rendering looks better on Windows and furthermore the 
web pages don't use it at all, it's just a fallback for some other font present 
in Windows but not in Linux.

Our excuse is that there is a README in wine-tahoma-fonts package documenting 
how to blacklist it if you don't want it. Yes, but that doesn't help. We need 
Fedora to look good by default. I have heard several people saying Fonts are 
ugly in Fedora, I'll rather use Ubuntu instead. And guess what, Ubuntu has 
made these broken wine fonts wine-specific, so that they are used in wine but 
not in other system applications. You might disagree with their other 
endeavors, but they care about their user-base. Putting some info in a README 
is good for hackers, but it is useless for end-users.

I believe the best solution here is to make Tahoma (and maybe some other fonts 
that are rendered horribly) a wine-specific font. Then add a README how to make 
those fonts available for all applications, if someone ever needs that. Or we 
can create a separate package for system-wide installation. This way we will 
have reasonable defaults and more happy users.

Anyone, if you have a better suggestion how to solve this problem, please be 
heard. The desirable outcome is:
1. Wine is installed
2. Web page rendering looks pretty (no bitmap fonts)
3. No manual steps are needed

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Reporting a bug on several components - rpath issue

2012-06-04 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
Hi,


I was trying to check if packages on my system has defined a rpath (1)
, I've made a little script:

# for f in $(ls /usr/lib64/*.so.* ) ; do chrpath ${f} /dev/null;
RETVAL=$?; if [ ! $RETVAL == 2 ] ; then chrpath ${f} ; rpm -qf ${f} ;
echo  ; fi; done

This script reported around 70 rpath on my system related to nearly 20
different components.

For the record, rpmdev-setuptree adds a rpm macro for a local RPM
packaging environment:
%__arch_install_post   /usr/lib/rpm/check-rpaths   /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot
So that's prevent rpmbuild to build a package using rpath with success.
This is not defined in the fedora buildsys by default. (nor autoqa ?...)

Now I would like to know how to massively report a bug for each
related component ? (at least those that define an rpath in /usr/lib64
from a library in the same directory).
Is there any experience doing such bugreport ?

For the root cause of the rpath issue on lib64 system is related to a
non-upstreamed patch (2) from libtool that prevents (most of the time)
the detection of the lib64 sub-directory to be in the default search
path of the system linker. Project generated from an upstream version
of libtool are likely to generate such issue.

Nicolas (kwizart)



(1) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Beware_of_Rpath
(2) 
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=libtool.git;a=blob_plain;f=libtool-2.2.10-rpath.patch;hb=master
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Re: Reporting a bug on several components - rpath issue

2012-06-04 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:22 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 
 Hi,
 
 
 I was trying to check if packages on my system has defined a rpath (1)
 , I've made a little script:
 
 # for f in $(ls /usr/lib64/*.so.* ) ; do chrpath ${f} /dev/null;
 RETVAL=$?; if [ ! $RETVAL == 2 ] ; then chrpath ${f} ; rpm -qf ${f} ;
 echo  ; fi; done
 
 This script reported around 70 rpath on my system related to nearly 20
 different components.
 
 For the record, rpmdev-setuptree adds a rpm macro for a local RPM
 packaging environment:
 %__arch_install_post   /usr/lib/rpm/check-rpaths   
 /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot
 So that's prevent rpmbuild to build a package using rpath with success.
 This is not defined in the fedora buildsys by default. (nor autoqa ?...)
 
 Now I would like to know how to massively report a bug for each
 related component ? (at least those that define an rpath in /usr/lib64
 from a library in the same directory).
 Is there any experience doing such bugreport ?
 
 For the root cause of the rpath issue on lib64 system is related to a
 non-upstreamed patch (2) from libtool that prevents (most of the time)
 the detection of the lib64 sub-directory to be in the default search
 path of the system linker. Project generated from an upstream version
 of libtool are likely to generate such issue.
 
 Nicolas (kwizart)
 
 
 
 (1) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Beware_of_Rpath
 (2) 
 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=libtool.git;a=blob_plain;f=libtool-2.2.10-rpath.patch;hb=master

I'd start with a mass mailing the maintainers of affected packages and
only after giving them some time to fix the problem I'd rerun the check
and file the bugs to the remaining unfixed packages.

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Self Introduction

2012-06-04 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
Hi,

I am the new Fedora Package Collection Maintainer.  I'm from
Russia, my name is Alexey, but people call me raorn (begins
with small letter r).

I was Packager in ALT Linux distro for about eight years, my
interests are IPv6, OpenFlow, Vim, zsh, mutt, ruby and
WindowMaker.  I'm familiar with git and rpm stuff, if you wish,
you may take a look at my ALT Linux packages here:
http://git.altlinux.org/people/raorn/packages/?o=age

I've been working with several upstreams, like zsh, Vim,
WindowMaker, ndisc6 and recently got my first patch merged into
Linux kernel ;-)

I am switching to Fedora as my primary desktop platform, but I am
missing some applications.  Andreas Bierfert (awjb), who's
WindowMaker package finally made me chose Fedora, agreed to be my
sponsor.  For now I'll be packaging bunch of WindowMaker applets
and one day I'd like to resurrect wdm (WINGs Display Manager).  I
am also big fan of IPv6, running little IPv6-only network with
dual-stack router, my setup is described here -
http://blog.raorn.name/2012/02/ipv6-only-lan-with-dual-stack-openwrt.html

In the Internet I am using nickname raorn (IRC, twitter) or,
for 6-letters-or-longer-nickname-required sites I use sir.raorn
(gmail, facebook).

My public gpg key attached.

P.S. I am also an Old Fart and will take part in most of the
local flamewars ;-)

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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 02:20:02PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 It, in fact, provides proof that this feature is searching for a
 problem. Which applications require gigabytes per second throughput out
 of /tmp?
sort(1) and maybe mock(1) ;-)

 (and your numbers for tmpfs would equal ext4 once you started swapping)
No.  Tried with 2G RAM, 8G swap, 6G tmpfs and 5G file.  Stupid dd
test was 2-3 times faster on tmpfs that ext4.

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Update bodhi Notes?

2012-06-04 Thread Neal Becker
I pushed a release to updates-testing, but I'd like to update the Notes for 
this 
release.  How should I do this?

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fix common misspellings -- mostly mechanically

2012-06-04 Thread Jim Meyering
Even in mature projects full of nit-picky reviewers, it seems there
are always a few misspelled words in comments, documentation, etc.

Here's a recipe for correcting those.  Hook this up as a
make check dependent rule to prevent recurrence.

First, get this http://github.com/lyda/misspell-check
and install its misspellings script.

Then, (presuming you use git for VC), run this to
see what you might want to change[*]:

  git ls-files|misspellings -f -|perl -nl \
-e '/^(.*?)\[(\d+)\]: (\w+) - (.*?)$/ or next;' \
-e '($file,$n,$l,$r)=($1,$2,$3,$4); $q='\''; $r=~s/$q/$q\\$q$q/g;'\
-e 'print sed -i $q${n}s!$l!$r!$q $file'

It massages the misspellings output into sed -i invocations.
Here are the ones from autoconf/master:

sed -i '104s!Stange!Strange!' AUTHORS
sed -i '175s!Propogate!Propagate!' ChangeLog.1
sed -i '673s!occurences!occurrences!' ChangeLog.2
sed -i '6973s!Accomodate!Accommodate!' ChangeLog.3

If you look at the AUTHORS file, you see that the first is a false
positive: we don't want to change the name of a contributor.
However, the three remaining commands fix legitimate spelling errors,
albeit only in ChangeLog files.

Remember that this is a naive tool.  Be sure to review each
change carefully, and *in context*.  It has no clue about the
boundaries between code and comments.  For example, you must
be careful that it does not change grammar tokens or variable
names like THRU or UPTO to THROUGH or UP TO.

Jim

[*] The misspellings script appears to be intended to do some
of this itself, but so far, it hasn't worked for me.
Note that for a typo like cant, you'll be presented with this
sed command:

  sed -i '16s!cant!cannot,can not,can'\''t!' m4/nullsort.m4

While the perl filter was careful to escape the single quote in the RHS
of the substitution, it will not choose which of those three
alternatives to use.  Search for , in the list of sed commands
to identify ones with more than one alternative spelling.
For each of those, you must manually select the word that you prefer.

Once you've done that, you can save the sed commands to a file, say
K, and apply their changes with bash K.
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Orphaning ncpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Vitezslav Crhonek

Hi all,

I'm orphaning ncpfs package (utilities for the ncpfs filesystem,
a NetWare client for Linux). I don't have a access to NetWare and
time to maintain the package. Ncpfs is pretty old, but it's still
used. Written in C, upstream is not interested in it anymore.

There are five opened bugs, two of them are security related.

I can offer SRPM for Mars (Martin Stovers NetWare-Emulator [1])
as a small gift:) - it may be useful.

If anyone is willing to maintain the package, feel free to take it.

[1] http://www.compu-art.de/mars_nwe/

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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2012 02:23 PM, Richard Körber wrote:
 
 The outcome was that a bunch of people were deriding MATE and not
 wanting it in Fedora.
 
 And this is why after 12 years of Red Hat and Fedora, I'm now moving to
 Linux Mint. I know I'm going to miss yum, but at least they support
 Cinnamon and Mate.
 
 I gave Gnome 3 a fair chance from its first release up to Fedora 17
 beta, but it still feels like doing my job in spite of the desktop. I
 wonder why Fedora is pushing Gnome 3 like that...

Fedora has invested a lot on infrastructure that supports other desktop
environments including spins.fedoraproject.org and Fedora includes KDE,
Xfce etc and Cinnamon is under review at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252.  There were genuine
concerns about the maintenability of MATE and that has nothing to do
with pushing GNOME or whatever else.

Rahul

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MALLOC_PERTURB_: everyone should set this envvar

2012-06-04 Thread Jim Meyering
I posted about MALLOC_PERTURB_ about a year ago,

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/132690

but it is clear that not everyone is setting the variable, so for those
who didn't take the time last year, or who are new to the subject,
do yourself a favor and set MALLOC_PERTURB_ to a value in 1..255
everywhere.

For those who can't be bothered to click the link, here's that post:


If you are into development on glibc-based systems
and do not set MALLOC_PERTURB_ to a nonzero value, then you
are missing an easy opportunity to detect subtle bugs early.

Sure, you can use valgrind, and it will detect whatever a
MALLOC_PERTURB_ setting would have caught, and more, but it's
far more expensive and takes some effort, however minimal.

If you use zsh or bash, put this in one of your startup files:

# http://udrepper.livejournal.com/11429.html
export MALLOC_PERTURB_=$(($RANDOM % 255 + 1))

and remember that when you find surprising bugs, that others
who are also running tests (but without MALLOC_PERTURB_)
will not see the same failures.

This is useful enough that it is worth considering for inclusion
in /etc/profile.


Why do I insist?

Here's a nice example: a month or so ago I was investigating
a build problem in libvirt and as part of that, ran make check
from the cloned source tree.  Imagine my surprise when one of
the tests failed.  Obviously, while it was failing for me, it
was not failing for the many people who build libvirt regularly,
so what was different here?  I had MALLOC_PERTURB_ set in my
environment and they did not.

The bug I uncovered was a heap corruptor that dated back to
libvirt-0.9.5:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.libvirt/56605

TL;DR: Add these lines to your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.zshenv:

# http://udrepper.livejournal.com/11429.html
export MALLOC_PERTURB_=$(($RANDOM % 255 + 1))

One caveat: this does induce a small performance penalty (usually
negligible), so when you're measuring performance, you may want
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Re: Problem pairing mouse with F17

2012-06-04 Thread Digimer

On 06/03/2012 11:07 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:

On 06/04/2012 02:30 AM, Digimer wrote:


I can confirm that selinux is disabled (as sestatus shows 'disabled').
Any idea what I should next?


File a bug report against Gnome-Bluetooth you can try running this
hciconfig hci0 sspmode 0 from the command line as root which was the
only way I manage to get my Samsung Galaxy S-II running Android ICS
4.0.3 to pair with my laptop which is running F17 with the latest 3.5 rc
kernel.

If the workaround works for you and you need to keep the change across
reboots you can create a simple type oneshot unit that does that for you.

Like...

# vim /etc/systemd/system/bluetooth-legacy-pairing.service

which contains

[Unit]
Description=Persistant Bluetooth Legacy Pairing Hack

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/sbin/hciconfig hci0 sspmode 0
RemainAfterExit=yes

[Install]
WantedBy=graphical.target

JBG


Thanks for the reply, Jóhann, but it didn't help. When I ran 'hciconfig 
hci0 sspmode 0', there was nothing returned. I tried to pair again twice 
with no luck. Syslog showed:


===
Jun  4 08:37:19 lework udevd[525]: specified group 'plugdev' unknown
Jun  4 08:38:04 lework bluetoothd[770]: bluetoothd[770]: Discovery 
session 0x7f0ab7111eb0 with :1.168 activated
Jun  4 08:38:04 lework bluetoothd[770]: Discovery session 0x7f0ab7111eb0 
with :1.168 activated

Jun  4 08:38:08 lework bluetoothd[770]: bluetoothd[770]: Stopping discovery
Jun  4 08:38:08 lework bluetoothd[770]: Stopping discovery
Jun  4 08:38:09 lework udevd[525]: specified group 'plugdev' unknown
Jun  4 08:38:09 lework dbus-daemon[837]: dbus[837]: [system] Rejected 
send message, 3 matched rules; type=method_return, sender=:1.168 
(uid=1000 pid=14431 comm=bluetooth-wizard ) interface=(unset) 
member=(unset) error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 
destination=:1.0 (uid=0 pid=770 comm=/usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n )
Jun  4 08:38:09 lework dbus[837]: [system] Rejected send message, 3 
matched rules; type=method_return, sender=:1.168 (uid=1000 pid=14431 
comm=bluetooth-wizard ) interface=(unset) member=(unset) error 
name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.0 (uid=0 pid=770 
comm=/usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n )

===
Jun  4 08:38:27 lework bluetoothd[770]: bluetoothd[770]: Discovery 
session 0x7f0ab7124180 with :1.168 activated
Jun  4 08:38:27 lework bluetoothd[770]: Discovery session 0x7f0ab7124180 
with :1.168 activated

Jun  4 08:38:30 lework bluetoothd[770]: bluetoothd[770]: Stopping discovery
Jun  4 08:38:30 lework bluetoothd[770]: Stopping discovery
Jun  4 08:38:31 lework udevd[525]: specified group 'plugdev' unknown
Jun  4 08:38:32 lework dbus-daemon[837]: dbus[837]: [system] Rejected 
send message, 3 matched rules; type=method_return, sender=:1.168 
(uid=1000 pid=14431 comm=bluetooth-wizard ) interface=(unset) 
member=(unset) error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 
destination=:1.0 (uid=0 pid=770 comm=/usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n )
Jun  4 08:38:32 lework dbus[837]: [system] Rejected send message, 3 
matched rules; type=method_return, sender=:1.168 (uid=1000 pid=14431 
comm=bluetooth-wizard ) interface=(unset) member=(unset) error 
name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.0 (uid=0 pid=770 
comm=/usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n )

===

I created a rhbz here:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828199

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Re: Update bodhi Notes?

2012-06-04 Thread Matej Cepl

On 04/06/12 13:01, Neal Becker wrote:

I pushed a release to updates-testing, but I'd like to update the Notes for this
release.  How should I do this?


Log to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ find the update and 
change it? What's the problem with that?


Matěj


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[Bug 828214] perl-Archive-Tar-1.88 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828214

Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
 CC||psab...@redhat.com
   Assignee|mmasl...@redhat.com |psab...@redhat.com

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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 13:50 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 Brian Wheeler wrote:
  
  How is this change a win?
 
 Unfortunately, due to Lennart's ignorance (we're all ignorant of
 something), he will consider your e-mail flame-bait and not reply.

Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks...

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Re: Update bodhi Notes?

2012-06-04 Thread Neal Becker
Matej Cepl wrote:

 On 04/06/12 13:01, Neal Becker wrote:
 I pushed a release to updates-testing, but I'd like to update the Notes for
 this
 release.  How should I do this?
 
 Log to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ find the update and
 change it? What's the problem with that?
 
 Matěj
 
 

Yes, thanks.

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libwbxml-0.11.1 has changed license from (LGPLv2+ and GPLv2+) to (LGPLv2+)

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
Upstream released new bug-fixing version of libwbxml. Besides other
improvements, this versions relicenses the only GPLv2+ file to LGPLv2+
making the whole package covered by LGPLv2+ now.

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Re: supercat anybody working on it?

2012-06-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:16:49PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
 On 6/2/2012 7:03 PM, Adrian Alves wrote:
 am not following what u mean?
 
 On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 mailto:mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:00:29 -0300, Adrian Alves wrote:
 done I built it, check this out:
 
 Spec URL: http://alvesadrian.fedorapeople.org/supercat.spec
 
 Check this out:
 
 This means to read the following link because it describes a mistake
 that your spec file makes:
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:UnownedDirectories
 
 And the following page is _not_ just for reviewers: ;-)
 
 This means to read the following link because it is wise to follow
 the packaging guidelines even before formally submitting a package
 for review:
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ReviewGuidelines
 
When you submit a new package, it is wise to run through the
ReviewGuidelines and check that your package meets all the requirements
there (or if you can't figure out how to satisfy one of them, to ask on
IRC/mailing list or note that you couldn't figure out that one problem in
the review request).

That way a reviewer looking at your package can see what standard things
they'll have to work on with you and also can concentrate on finding things
wrong that aren't part of the codified package review.

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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Matthias Clasen wrote:
 Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks...

Brian replied to Lennart 7 minutes after Lennart's e-mail and mine was
an hour after that as a pretty good indication Lennart was not going to
reply. Unless the timing was coincidental of him packing his bags, I'm
still sticking with my post.
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Re: Easy way of testing packages?

2012-06-04 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 23:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
[...]
 If you're in a hurry to get an update earlier, you can use koji or bodhi
 command-line tools to download specific NEVRs or (in the case of bodhi)
 update IDs.
 
 e.g.:
 
 bodhi -D FEDORA-2012-7716
 bodhi -D mesa-8.0.2-8.fc17
 koji download-build --arch=x86_64 --arch=noarch 321768
 koji download-build --arch=x86_64 --arch=noarch ocaml-3.12.1-9.fc17
 
 see 'man koji' and 'man bodhi' for more details.
 
 If you do this regularly it's probably easiest to set up a local 'side'
 repo - I have ~/local/repo/x86_64 and a file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ to
 make that directory a repository (with a very short metadata expiry
 time). I download the packages to that path, run 'createrepo .', and
 then use yum to install the packages. For occasional use, you can just
 run yum directly on the packages; it's getting quite good at that. e.g.
 running 'yum update *' on a directory full of .rpms will do what you'd
 (probably) expect - for any of those packages you have installed, it'll
 update them; others will be left out.

Ah this is really nice. koji/bodhi commands make life really easy, and
since yum accepts RPMs from the current directory, an update is made
easy! Next time I will provide Karma faster and _easier_ :D

Thanks a lot,
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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 04.06.2012 12:50, schrieb Alexey I. Froloff:
 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 02:20:02PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 It, in fact, provides proof that this feature is searching for a
 problem. Which applications require gigabytes per second throughput out
 of /tmp?
 sort(1) and maybe mock(1) ;-)
 
 (and your numbers for tmpfs would equal ext4 once you started swapping)
 No.  Tried with 2G RAM, 8G swap, 6G tmpfs and 5G file.  Stupid dd
 test was 2-3 times faster on tmpfs that ext4.

but the stupid dd-test does not reflect reality

for most workloads /tmp is not touched most of the time
in any way - keep in mind that applications needs to
be changed to usr /var/tmp if they expect really
large temp-files compare the real benefit with the
complete work and bugreports for forgotten packages
trying to store a iso-image and such things on /tmp

the benefit for the normal workload has to be compared
with the overall work for a feature and not only
some generic tests



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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 04.06.2012 15:36, schrieb Matthias Clasen:
 On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 13:50 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 Brian Wheeler wrote:

 How is this change a win?

 Unfortunately, due to Lennart's ignorance (we're all ignorant of
 something), he will consider your e-mail flame-bait and not reply.
 
 Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks...

that is not the point

his features are usually taken with no interest was the
userbase thinks - in case of /tmp on tmpfs i see no
prove what should be really faster, how much faster and
if this is measurable in typical workloads

* most users will not notice any improvement
* many users explained why it is a bad idea to change defaults
* users who think it is good for their worksload are donig it since years

so why are features causing global changes to the distribution
approved without careful condiseration and repeatly ignoring
the userbase?

you can not say 10.000 users which are not crying
out loud are automatically pro



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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Drive manufacturers need to do nothing.

 One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS.  Other drive to 
 everything else.

 The read-write controllable interfaces already exist as I pointed out and 
 are in use by forensic firms.
 And how many consumer OEMs ship them?

 -J

 Any Chinese fab would be able to produce any quantity needed within weeks to 
 any number of OEM's.

Key words, would be able.  What OEM ships this *today*?  That's my point.



 There are plenty of buttons/keys on machines right now that can be used to 
 toggle this interface.

 It's 100% doable today with existing hardware.



 The whole point is that is that I provided just one example of an equally 
 effective solution to SecureBoot that has much
 less impact on both Microsoft and Linux.   The entire x86 industry is going 
 to become a mess if SecureBoot is
 implemented.  It'll be signature-HELL and a lot more.

 This whole SecureBoot runaway train needs to have the brakes slammed on.

I'm not saying I love SecureBoot, but that ship has sailed.  I also
wish Amiga hadn't futzed with their floppy drive stepper motors to
squeeze in more sectors per disk and made my floppies unreadable
without a trip to eBay, but that ship has sailed as well, so I pretty
have to find the best solution available for the situation at hand.

I would love for SecureBoot not to have happened, or to have happened
differently. If wishes were horses, even the poor would eat.

-J


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rawhide report: 20120604 changes

2012-06-04 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Jun  4 08:15:03 UTC 2012

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matreshka-fastcgi-0.1.1-9.fc17.x86_64 requires libgnarl-4.6.so()(64bit)
matreshka-sql-core-0.1.1-9.fc17.i686 requires libgnat-4.6.so
matreshka-sql-core-0.1.1-9.fc17.x86_64 requires libgnat-4.6.so()(64bit)
matreshka-sql-postgresql-0.1.1-9.fc17.i686 requires libgnat-4.6.so

[Bug 828226] perl-MooseX-MarkAsMethods-0.15 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828226

Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-MooseX-MarkAsMethods-0
   ||.15-1.fc18
 Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2012-06-04 10:31:27

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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2012 03:41 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Just because people have the ability to install Fedora and post in a
 forum doesn't mean that you can reliably assume that they are willing to
 fiddle with BIOS settings on their system or they would prefer that over
 a installation that just works.  We have worked for years to make Fedora
 more usable and be easily installable for users who are transitioning
 from Windows.  One could argue that the regression in usability is not
 as important as the loss of freedom in this specific instance but it is
 undeniable that it is a usability regression that would affect a number
 of users.
 
 It's a usability regression in the firmware, not our fault at all.

And?  It affects our users.  A blame game doesn't help them at all.

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File Unicode-Casing-0.12.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Unicode-Casing:

2f674a2564a4129daa076eb3185a0557  Unicode-Casing-0.12.tar.gz
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[perl-Unicode-Casing] 0.012 bump

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b2f5dc669a02b0e761af0b2cb6a21ea87a698171
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 16:45:28 2012 +0200

0.012 bump

 .gitignore   |1 +
 perl-Unicode-Casing.spec |7 +--
 sources  |2 +-
 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index ad57800..2ab05bc 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
 /Unicode-Casing-0.07.tar.gz
 /Unicode-Casing-0.08.tar.gz
+/Unicode-Casing-0.12.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Unicode-Casing.spec b/perl-Unicode-Casing.spec
index 958eb38..a379c66 100644
--- a/perl-Unicode-Casing.spec
+++ b/perl-Unicode-Casing.spec
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 # This file is licensed under the terms of GNU GPLv2+.
 Name:   perl-Unicode-Casing
-Version:0.08
-Release:2%{?dist}
+Version:0.12
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl extension to override system case changing functions
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -51,6 +51,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.12-1
+- 0.12 bump
+
 * Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.08-2
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index a5becf9..9481b6b 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-11104e2aeecdaf256a8ddba7c61666d4  Unicode-Casing-0.08.tar.gz
+2f674a2564a4129daa076eb3185a0557  Unicode-Casing-0.12.tar.gz
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[Bug 828231] perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.027 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828231

Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.027-1.fc
   ||18
 Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2012-06-04 10:46:42

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Re: MALLOC_PERTURB_: everyone should set this envvar

2012-06-04 Thread John Reiser
 # http://udrepper.livejournal.com/11429.html
 export MALLOC_PERTURB_=$(($RANDOM % 255 + 1))

For supportability (and to help remind you to turn it off before
performance tests), then also consider adding a line such as:
 echo 12 MALLOC_PERTURB_=$MALLOC_PERTURB_   # $HOME/.bash_profile

Also inexpensive:
 export MALLOC_CHECK_=1  # 0: off; 1: announce on stderr; 2: abort
 echo 12 MALLOC_CHECK_=$MALLOC_CHECK_   # $HOME/.bash_profile
which handles double free(), single-byte overruns, etc.

For always on detection of overlapping memcpy() at low cost,
then consider  http://bitwagon.com/glibc-memlap/glibc-memlap.html .

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Andreas Bierfert
Hi,

first I would like to point out that I am totally open for a discussion
about this. IMO bugzilla is just not the right place for it.

As you have pointed out there are two aspects on this: A technical part
and a subjective part about the look and feel.

I guess we can agree that the technical part of font installation etc.
is done like it should be. However, it is _not_ the wine-tahoma-fonts
package which bullies its way and changes the system look and fell on
its own. There are some web-pages which (maybe unintentionally)
explicitly request a tahoma font and if you have wine installed - beware
- they get what they request.

You argue they do so as a fallback which under 'normal' circumstances
should never be used. My question would then be why we do reach this
point in the first place. Maybe that is a starting point where we can
improve.

We can also argue about the look and feel of the wine tahoma font itself
and get to the point where we can vote if this is an ugly or a pretty
font. I as a packager will not keep this freedom of choice from the
fedora users. As a packager I, however, find it important that for the
use-case of wine the best available user experience is provided. Hence
this font needs to be included an pulled in by wine like it is today.

Now the question remains if there is action needed on this issue. As I
understand that some users do not like the wine tahoma font, the package
as been adopted to disable bitmaps by default and instructions have been
added on how to disable the font.

I am sure the font itself could be improved in certain ways, so if there
are skilled people who want to work on it I urge them to get in contact
with upstream.

For me the remaining issue is what has been mentioned in comment
rhbz693180#37 about the tahomabd.ttf file. If this is the case we should
see to get it fixed upstream. If it cannot be done upstream I am open
for discussions to add a workaround which would be to either exclude
tahomabd.ttf completely or get an exception to put it into wines own
font dir till it is fixed.

Regards,
Andreas

On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 05:04 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
  I'd like to brought to wider attention the bug
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693180
  
  What's the matter?
  
  If you install wine, it brings as a dependency wine-tahoma font, that
  is
  then included in system wide fonts list. This causes the font to be
  used
  by applications like Firefox when pages require tahoma. As the font
  is
  badly looking, it makes many things to look terrible.
  
  Some of us think, this font should be made specific for the wine
  application and not used system wide as it breaks the look and feel
  of too
  many things.
  
  Please make your voice to be heard on that.
  
  
  Adam Pribyl
 
 Adam, it might be better to cross-post this also to devel@ list, doing that 
 now.
 
 I believe there are a few good engineering practices that every software 
 should keep. One of them is that installing one application should not have 
 detrimental effects to another application. That is violated here. Installing 
 wine brings broken fonts (Tahoma, maybe some others) into the system and then 
 have detrimental effects on font rendering in web applications. We should do 
 something about it.
 
 It is unfortunate that wine package maintainer doesn't want to discuss this 
 issue any further. To some extent, he is even right. Wine depends on a font 
 and fonts are installed into system-wide directories. Web pages request that 
 font. End of story. But the reality is not perfect and often we have to do 
 compromises. This is another obstacle presented by Microsoft to the 
 opensource world and we can't simply insist on that one and only correct 
 solution. Because we know Tahoma rendering looks better on Windows and 
 furthermore the web pages don't use it at all, it's just a fallback for some 
 other font present in Windows but not in Linux.
 
 Our excuse is that there is a README in wine-tahoma-fonts package documenting 
 how to blacklist it if you don't want it. Yes, but that doesn't help. We need 
 Fedora to look good by default. I have heard several people saying Fonts are 
 ugly in Fedora, I'll rather use Ubuntu instead. And guess what, Ubuntu has 
 made these broken wine fonts wine-specific, so that they are used in wine but 
 not in other system applications. You might disagree with their other 
 endeavors, but they care about their user-base. Putting some info in a README 
 is good for hackers, but it is useless for end-users.
 
 I believe the best solution here is to make Tahoma (and maybe some other 
 fonts that are rendered horribly) a wine-specific font. Then add a README how 
 to make those fonts available for all applications, if someone ever needs 
 that. Or we can create a separate package for system-wide installation. This 
 way we will have reasonable defaults and more happy users.
 
 Anyone, if you have a better suggestion how to solve this problem, 

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On 06/02/2012 05:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
 There is no additional security provided by the feature as so far
 described—only security theater.   So I can't modify the kernel or
 bootloader, great—but the kernel wouldn't have let me do that in the
 first place unless it had an exploit. So I just put my rootkit inside
 systemd so that it executes the kernel exploit right after reboot, and
 the exploited kernel now silently keeps updates from being applied.

 You've sortof missed the point. A privilege escalation exploit, currently,
 can sabotage your bootloader, insert its own ahead of it, and modify the
 kernel to perpetually hide itself. Right now such exploits are generally
 bounded by selinux, which would, in most cases, stop them from performing
 the systemd trick that you describe. At that point it has escalated past
 the point where it's confined by selinux or anything else, and can do your
 trick and far worse.

 And again, there *are* bootkit exploits in the wild now. So any argument
 that there's no legitimate security benefit to securing the bootloader is
 prima facie false.

It's the goal that matters. Not the method. The attacker wants
persistent control of the system which can't be fixed by updates.
Replacing the kernel/bootloader is just one of many possible means to
achieve this end.

With signing, yes, replacing the bootloader doesn't work because
doing so will brick the machine.  But it doesn't matter, because
replacing systemd is in no way worse for the attacker than replacing
the bootloader in most situations where they would have been able to
replace the bootloader.

So two possible situations: kernel security works completely and there
is no privileged escalation exploit strong enough to defeat the kernel
imposed security— in which case you don't need any boot time
cryptographic lockdown because the kernel can simply deny the ability
to rewrite the kernel/bootloader,  or it's possible that kernel
security is buggy, in which case, the attacker doesn't really have to
care about the boot-time cryptographic lockdown because he can just
make systemd run the exploit code again at every boot— which would
accomplish the attackers goals just as well as replacing the
bootloader/kernel.

The case where it would matter is where the attacker can bypass kernel
security and raw-write to the disk, but can not write to kernel memory
or execute arbitrary code as the kernel or replace the update process
with a fake one... which seems really narrow to me. Not to mention the
disinterest in this as a feature is demonstrated by the fact that
while we could have officially supported inhibiting root from writing
to disk (and accessing kernel memory in order to allow them to
escalate to raw-disk-writing) which would be 100% as effective as
boot-time cryptographic lockdown, absent kernel bugs, but we haven't
and there is no public evidence (as far as I can tell) of Fedora users
asking for it.
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Notice: Retiring vbetool in F18

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Jackson
Historically the only thing requiring vbetool was pm-utils, but that's
not been true in a nice long time:

* Fri Oct 08 2010 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 1.3.1-2
- Drop the vbetool dependency, suspend is only supported on KMS drivers.

That was F14 gold:

% koji -q latest-pkg dist-f14 pm-utils
pm-utils-1.3.1-2.fc14 dist-f14  ajax

In lieu of flowers, please send patches for KMS drivers to
dri-de...@lists.freedesktop.org.

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Re: Reminder: Fedora 15 end of life on 2012-06-26

2012-06-04 Thread Cole Robinson
On 05/31/2012 02:09 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Greetings. 
 
 This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 15. 
 
 Fedora 15 will reach end of life on 2012-06-26, and no further updates
 will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent
 release of Fedora 17, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 15
 collection. 
 

Are we going to get the 'F15 is end-of-life in a month' reminder against
relevant bugs? That was never done for F14, nor have the F14 bugs been mass
closed. I assume we don't want to make a habit of that.

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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev

28.05.2012 16:45, Tomáš Smetana wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2012 23:28:03 +0400
Pavel Alexeevfo...@hubbitus.com.ru  wrote:


Hi.

Due to the security issues ([1] for example) and act as newcomer
provenpackager I'll plan update ImageMagick in Fedora 16 too (I should
had been done it early off course). It seams addressed in rawhide.

Hello,
   may I ask why you prefer bumping the soname instead of just patching the
vulnerabilities?  The patch is actually ready.  Replacing the library with an
ABI incompatible version in the stable Fedora release sounds like an overkill
in this case.

Thanks and regards,
Because there several security issues and I think more reliable let it 
doing to upstream author rather than guaranties all correct in Fedora. 
In case there one or two sequential bugs I'll try off course handle it 
separately without so expensive updates off course.


Rebuild all dependencies is done now, update submitted for testing: 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nip2-7.28.4-2.fc16,q-7.11-12.fc16,gdl-0.9.2-4.fc16,dx-4.4.4-21.fc16,dmapd-0.0.47-3.fc16,k3d-0.8.0.2-5.fc16,inkscape-0.48.1-10.fc16,zbar-0.10-9.fc16,xine-lib-1.1.20.1-2.fc16,xastir-2.0.0-4.fc16,techne-0.2.3-3.fc16,ruby-RMagick-2.13.1-6.fc16.4,rss-glx-0.9.1.p-10.fc16,psiconv-0.9.8-9.fc16,php-pecl-imagick-3.0.0-10.fc16,php-magickwand-1.0.9-2.fc16,pfstools-1.8.3-3.fc16,oxine-0.7.1-12.fc16,libdmtx-0.7.2-5.fc16,kxstitch-0.8.4.1-7.fc16,calibre-0.8.33-3.fc16,vips-7.28.2-2.fc16,imageinfo-0.05-14.fc16,drawtiming-0.7.1-5.fc16,converseen-0.4.9-2.fc16,autotrace-0.31.1-26.fc16.2,ale-0.9.0.3-6.fc16,ImageMagick-6.7.7.5-1.fc16


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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Johannes Lips
Tadej Janež wrote:
 Pavel,
 
 On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 20:21 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote:
 
 It is main reason why I request provenpackager rights. In fedora 17 it
 was so painful because I several times asks build dependencies and
 then ask help to push updates too.
 I think in that turn now I can do all that myself, so it should be
 smoother.

 As there around 6 security issues, I think update upstream release is
 easiest, and furthermore robust way handle it.
 
 I've seen you didn't listen to Tomáš's or Kalev's advice on not bumping
 the ImageMagick's soname in a stable release.
 
 Furthermore, you didn't give any warning to the maintainers of the
 dependent packages (except for the message on this list).
 In my opinion, being a provenpackager is no excuse for not doing that.
 Please, use the packagename-ow...@fedoraproject.org addresses to send
 out emails to the appropriate package maintainers.
 
 For techne (one of the dependent packages which I maintain) you bumped
 the release from 0.2.3-2 to 0.2.3-3, which breaks upgrades to F-17 and
 rawhide.
 Is there a way to revert the change and make a 0.2.3-2.fc16.1 build?
The best practice now is to do a bump release in all newer branches. So
just bump the Version in fedora 17 and rawhide to 0.2.3-3.
The changelog entry could look like:
- bump release
or something similar.

Hope this helps

Johannes
 
 Best regards,
 Tadej Janež
 
 

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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:44:38AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
 Matthias Clasen wrote:
  Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks...
 
 Brian replied to Lennart 7 minutes after Lennart's e-mail and mine was
 an hour after that as a pretty good indication Lennart was not going to
 reply. Unless the timing was coincidental of him packing his bags, I'm
 still sticking with my post.

Expecting and more or less demanding a reply after calling someone
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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev

03.06.2012 22:57, Tadej Janež wrote:

Pavel,

On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 20:21 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote:


It is main reason why I request provenpackager rights. In fedora 17 it
was so painful because I several times asks build dependencies and
then ask help to push updates too.
I think in that turn now I can do all that myself, so it should be
smoother.

As there around 6 security issues, I think update upstream release is
easiest, and furthermore robust way handle it.

I've seen you didn't listen to Tomáš's or Kalev's advice on not bumping
the ImageMagick's soname in a stable release.

Furthermore, you didn't give any warning to the maintainers of the
dependent packages (except for the message on this list).
In my opinion, being a provenpackager is no excuse for not doing that.
Please, use the packagename-ow...@fedoraproject.org addresses to send
out emails to the appropriate package maintainers.
I post message there over week ago. I thought it was sufficient. 
Provenpackager rights off course do not excuse that or other mistakes. 
On the contrary it only take me possibility make such tasks without make 
troubles for others. If I must also write to each maintainer separately 
- I promise do it next time. Sorry.


For techne (one of the dependent packages which I maintain) you bumped
the release from 0.2.3-2 to 0.2.3-3, which breaks upgrades to F-17 and
rawhide.
Is there a way to revert the change and make a 0.2.3-2.fc16.1 build?

I do not known unfortunately.
Furthermore I've submitted update to testing ta moment read that 
[1].https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nip2-7.28.4-2.fc16,q-7.11-12.fc16,gdl-0.9.2-4.fc16,dx-4.4.4-21.fc16,dmapd-0.0.47-3.fc16,k3d-0.8.0.2-5.fc16,inkscape-0.48.1-10.fc16,zbar-0.10-9.fc16,xine-lib-1.1.20.1-2.fc16,xastir-2.0.0-4.fc16,techne-0.2.3-3.fc16,ruby-RMagick-2.13.1-6.fc16.4,rss-glx-0.9.1.p-10.fc16,psiconv-0.9.8-9.fc16,php-pecl-imagick-3.0.0-10.fc16,php-magickwand-1.0.9-2.fc16,pfstools-1.8.3-3.fc16,oxine-0.7.1-12.fc16,libdmtx-0.7.2-5.fc16,kxstitch-0.8.4.1-7.fc16,calibre-0.8.33-3.fc16,vips-7.28.2-2.fc16,imageinfo-0.05-14.fc16,drawtiming-0.7.1-5.fc16,converseen-0.4.9-2.fc16,autotrace-0.31.1-26.fc16.2,ale-0.9.0.3-6.fc16,ImageMagick-6.7.7.5-1.fc16

May be it possible just update in Fedora 17 too?

Additionally have worth I try read carefully all docs about 
provenpackager and such updates and have not found how deal with such 
versions. I had look in my packages and few others and found it was 
updated many times in that way. In packages were was present subrelease 
after %{?dist} - I increase it.
Should or must in next time I add it in any package even it does not 
have it??


I apologize for the inconvenience. Can I help something now?
If you or other will insist I may unpush that update and try patch IM 
for all issues off course... But I really do not want doing it now.

Best regards,
Tadej Janež




[1] 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nip2-7.28.4-2.fc16,q-7.11-12.fc16,gdl-0.9.2-4.fc16,dx-4.4.4-21.fc16,dmapd-0.0.47-3.fc16,k3d-0.8.0.2-5.fc16,inkscape-0.48.1-10.fc16,zbar-0.10-9.fc16,xine-lib-1.1.20.1-2.fc16,xastir-2.0.0-4.fc16,techne-0.2.3-3.fc16,ruby-RMagick-2.13.1-6.fc16.4,rss-glx-0.9.1.p-10.fc16,psiconv-0.9.8-9.fc16,php-pecl-imagick-3.0.0-10.fc16,php-magickwand-1.0.9-2.fc16,pfstools-1.8.3-3.fc16,oxine-0.7.1-12.fc16,libdmtx-0.7.2-5.fc16,kxstitch-0.8.4.1-7.fc16,calibre-0.8.33-3.fc16,vips-7.28.2-2.fc16,imageinfo-0.05-14.fc16,drawtiming-0.7.1-5.fc16,converseen-0.4.9-2.fc16,autotrace-0.31.1-26.fc16.2,ale-0.9.0.3-6.fc16,ImageMagick-6.7.7.5-1.fc16 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nip2-7.28.4-2.fc16,q-7.11-12.fc16,gdl-0.9.2-4.fc16,dx-4.4.4-21.fc16,dmapd-0.0.47-3.fc16,k3d-0.8.0.2-5.fc16,inkscape-0.48.1-10.fc16,zbar-0.10-9.fc16,xine-lib-1.1.20.1-2.fc16,xastir-2.0.0-4.fc16,techne-0.2.3-3.fc16,ruby-RMagick-2.13.1-6.fc16.4,rss-glx-0.9.1.p-10.fc16,psiconv-0.9.8-9.fc16,php-pecl-imagick-3.0.0-10.fc16,php-magickwand-1.0.9-2.fc16,pfstools-1.8.3-3.fc16,oxine-0.7.1-12.fc16,libdmtx-0.7.2-5.fc16,kxstitch-0.8.4.1-7.fc16,calibre-0.8.33-3.fc16,vips-7.28.2-2.fc16,imageinfo-0.05-14.fc16,drawtiming-0.7.1-5.fc16,converseen-0.4.9-2.fc16,autotrace-0.31.1-26.fc16.2,ale-0.9.0.3-6.fc16,ImageMagick-6.7.7.5-1.fc16
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Re: MALLOC_PERTURB_: everyone should set this envvar

2012-06-04 Thread Jim Meyering
John Reiser wrote:
 # http://udrepper.livejournal.com/11429.html
 export MALLOC_PERTURB_=$(($RANDOM % 255 + 1))

 For supportability (and to help remind you to turn it off before
 performance tests), then also consider adding a line such as:
  echo 12 MALLOC_PERTURB_=$MALLOC_PERTURB_   # $HOME/.bash_profile

Good idea.  Or have a weekly cron job send clue-bat mail to
yourself reminding you that you do have this envvar set.

For the first year or so during which I had this enabled,
when I'd hit a memory-related problem, I didn't immediately think,
Oh! that may be because I've enabled MALLOC_PERTURB_, so the
above might well help, initially.

If you do add something like that, be sure to use a guard so
that it is printed only for interactive sessions, e.g.,

test -n $PS1  echo 12 MALLOC_PERTURB_=$MALLOC_PERTURB_

Once you've been graced with enough MALLOC_PERTURB_-induced
failures, you get used to it, always remember to include it in
bug reports,... then you can turn that off ;-)
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Schedule for Today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-04)

2012-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Monday at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

Links to all tickets below can be found at: 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= New business =

#topic #857 F18 Feature: Initial Experience
.fesco 857

#topic #859 F18 Feature: Active Directory
.fesco 859

#topic #860 F18 Feature: Boost 1.50 Uplift
.fesco 860

$topic #856 Request to be made admin of the packager group
.fsco 856

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
the following meeting. 

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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski

On 06/02/2012 10:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:


And I don't think having to disable Secure Boot in the firmware is a
hurdle which will make our users simply walk away.


The usability of Fedora Live will take a hit---the premise is that you 
can insert the CD and boot as-is. If Live is going to require permanent 
changes to the system, one might as well permanently install, no?

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Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Olav Vitters wrote:
 Expecting and more or less demanding a reply after calling someone
 ignorant... not nice behaviour.

My intentions were not to insult anyone and I am not seeking a reply to
my e-mail.
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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Andreas Bierfert andreas.bierf...@lowlatency.de said:
 I guess we can agree that the technical part of font installation etc.
 is done like it should be. However, it is _not_ the wine-tahoma-fonts
 package which bullies its way and changes the system look and fell on
 its own. There are some web-pages which (maybe unintentionally)
 explicitly request a tahoma font and if you have wine installed - beware
 - they get what they request.

Well, no they don't.  They are requesting the font Microsoft calls
Tahoma, not a Wine-provided imitation of Tahoma.

Providing a font called Tahoma that isn't Tahoma is a bad idea.  In
general, the fonts that are designed to copy other fonts get a different
name.  In many cases, this is required because some font names are
trademarked (IIRC Helvetica is an example).

Wine should not call their font Tahoma.  They should call it something
else and then map requests for Tahoma to their imitation font.

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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Pete Walter
Pavel Alexeev forum at hubbitus.com.ru writes:
 If you or other will insist I may unpush that update and try patch
 IM for all issues off course... But I really do not want doing it
 now.

In my opinion, the right way to handle this is to backport the security fixes.
You even have patches linked to each of the security bugs on 
bugzilla.redhat.com.

And yes, this means unpushing the update with the soname bump.


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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev

04.06.2012 20:10, Pete Walter wrote:

Pavel Alexeevforumat  hubbitus.com.ru  writes:

If you or other will insist I may unpush that update and try patch
IM for all issues off course... But I really do not want doing it
now.

In my opinion, the right way to handle this is to backport the security fixes.
You even have patches linked to each of the security bugs on 
bugzilla.redhat.com.

And yes, this means unpushing the update with the soname bump.

May be in next time? What disadvantages you are seen proceed with that 
update? Do you try test it?

   Pete



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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
 Adam Williamson wrote:
  Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
  DVD/netinst upgrades.
 
 I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving 
 money 
 to the copyright lobby, helping to finance its campaign for ever-increasing 
 mass surveillance and censorship of the Net. It is possible to boot a DVD 
 image from the hard disk, but it's anything but easy and rarely succeeds at 
 the first attempt, so that's not something I want to fiddle around with twice 
 a 
 year on both of my Fedora boxes.
 
 I also won't install anything that I haven't checked the PGP signature on. 
 That excludes netinst.iso and Preupgrade, and if I use Anaconda I have to be 
 careful to not let it download anything.
 
 Therefore I usually upgrade by Yum. That's also a laborious process, but I 
 usually get a mostly working system in the end.

Cool story bro.

Given that I was stating my personal opinion on the message we should
communicate to the general user population about which upgrade methods
are most likely to work with the least tweaking, though, I'm not sure
what relevance your personal qualms about buying optical media have to
do with anything. It's not like I said we should disable yum upgrades.

(you can, of course, boot from the DVD or netinst image without ever
touching optical media. It is trivial to write them to a USB stick.)
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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:

 I also won't install anything that I haven't checked the PGP signature on. 
 That excludes netinst.iso and Preupgrade, and if I use Anaconda I have to be 
 careful to not let it download anything.

The checksums of the images themselves are signed, and the images are
built by the same team that controls the process for signing individual
packages, using a process by which only packages from the Fedora build
system could possibly be included.

You can't logically claim to trust the individual packages but not trust
the signatures on the DVD/netinst images. They are precisely equally
trustworthy.
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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 10:03 +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
  * 3rd attempt:
  Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
  only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the Install repo so
  I presume all the packages were downloaded from the net. At about 85%
  of installation I got a kernel panic - this time I took care of the
  message unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
  0088.
 
  Frankly, I wouldn't trust your hardware.
 
  The installer uses the same kernel as the installed system, so even if
  you get it to install (which apparently you finally did), if you're
  getting quasi-random kernel panics, I wouldn't be at all surprised if
  you keep getting them on the installed system.
 
  That (and 'inexplicable' errors like failure to read a package on
  known-good media) points either to bad hardware or a kernel bug specific
  to your system in some way (as we don't have any known general kernel
  breakage AFAIK). You'd definitely need to get better data on one of the
  crashes (i.e. an actual log, or at least screen capture) and give it to
  the kernel team, to look into it.
 
  It may be worth running memtest on the system, first, though.
 
 Everything can be and I will run memtest as you advised.
 
 But I didn't had any kernel problem in the past - and I've used every
 Fedora release on the same PC for about 4 years. After I could bypass
 this problem - I could install the system, including I think all the
 RPMs anaconda was trying to install without any problem. Note that I
 don't run the same kernel used by anaconda because in fedora updates
 there is available a newer one.
 
 Anyway, in case I hit this issue again, I would be interested to know
 how to get the log of this kind of error.

Depending on how hard the fail is, it may be in /var/log/messages when
you reboot. If not, all you can do is take a picture of the screen when
the crash comes, or maybe try and use netconsole:

http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt

which I've got working once, but it's a bit finicky.
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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Pete Walter
Pavel Alexeev forum at hubbitus.com.ru writes:
 May be in next time? What disadvantages you are seen proceed with that 
 update? Do you try test it?

No, I did not test this. And here's a few reasons why I think this 
shouldn't be pushed:

 - You are forcing others to do work they otherwise wouldn't need to 
   do.  Why do you want me to test ImageMagick functionality in 57
   dependant packages?  Fix your security bugs and leave other 
   packages alone.  F16 is supposed to be stable.

 - A major ImageMagick update that introduces new features and new code 
   invalidates the QA that has gone into the packages that use 
   ImageMagick.

 - Needless update churn.  We have the Stable Updates Policy for a 
   reason.  Do you development on rawhide and let stable Fedora 
   release be stable.

 - The soname bump breaks third party packages that use ImageMagick 
   libraries.  An example is 'transcode' from rpmfusion.


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy explicitly says that such
ABI bumps are left to the discretion of FESCO and the packager.  Have 
you already asked FESCO for their blessing?

Note that you should open this dialog _BEFORE_ you build or push updates.


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Re: Reminder: Fedora 15 end of life on 2012-06-26

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:03 -0400, Cole Robinson wrote:
 On 05/31/2012 02:09 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
  
  Greetings. 
  
  This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 15. 
  
  Fedora 15 will reach end of life on 2012-06-26, and no further updates
  will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent
  release of Fedora 17, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 15
  collection. 
  
 
 Are we going to get the 'F15 is end-of-life in a month' reminder against
 relevant bugs? That was never done for F14, nor have the F14 bugs been mass
 closed. I assume we don't want to make a habit of that.

Housekeeping procedures sort of fell through some cracks when John
Poelstra stopped doing them; they come somewhere between QA, bugzappers,
releng and the program manager (who currently doesn't exist). We'll try
and co-ordinate to make sure things happen properly and in the correct
order for the f18 cycle, and clean up on the f16 and f17 cycle
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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Johannes Lips
Pete Walter wrote:
 Pavel Alexeev forum at hubbitus.com.ru writes:
 May be in next time? What disadvantages you are seen proceed with that 
 update? Do you try test it?
 
 No, I did not test this. And here's a few reasons why I think this 
 shouldn't be pushed:
 
  - You are forcing others to do work they otherwise wouldn't need to 
do.  Why do you want me to test ImageMagick functionality in 57
dependant packages?  Fix your security bugs and leave other 
packages alone.  F16 is supposed to be stable.
 
  - A major ImageMagick update that introduces new features and new code 
invalidates the QA that has gone into the packages that use 
ImageMagick.
 
  - Needless update churn.  We have the Stable Updates Policy for a 
reason.  Do you development on rawhide and let stable Fedora 
release be stable.
 
  - The soname bump breaks third party packages that use ImageMagick 
libraries.  An example is 'transcode' from rpmfusion.
 
 
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy explicitly says that such
 ABI bumps are left to the discretion of FESCO and the packager.  Have 
 you already asked FESCO for their blessing?
 
 Note that you should open this dialog _BEFORE_ you build or push updates.
 
 
   Pete
 
Just to be fair there was a mail to this mailing list, where he
described his plans. [1]
Also I think he did the major part of the work and if it's fine for him,
I don't really see a problem. I mean of course it could be better and he
could also bump the releases of all the newer fedora versions, but I
think there is not so much work for the package maintainers left.
I don't want to argue in favor of the whole upgrade but I think the
criticism is a bit too harsh.

Johannes

[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/167462.html

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-04)

2012-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-06-04)
===


Meeting started by mjg59 at 17:01:49 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-06-04/fesco.2012-06-04-17.01.log.html
.


Meeting summary
---
* init process  (mjg59, 17:02:09)

* #857 F18 Feature: Initial Experience  (mjg59, 17:04:12)
  * AGREED: postpone feature discussion until next week so mclasen can
provide further feedback on the page  (mjg59, 17:09:01)

* #859 F18 Feature: Active Directory  (mjg59, 17:09:11)
  * AGREED: Active Directory is accepted as an F18 feature  (mjg59,
17:15:13)

* #860 F18 Feature: Boost 1.50 Uplift  (mjg59, 17:15:20)
  * AGREED: Boost 1.50 accepted as an F18 feature  (mjg59, 17:18:16)

* #856 Request to be made admin of the packager group  (mjg59,
  17:18:35)
  * AGREED: tibbs made an admin of the packager group, will ping other
admins to check on status  (mjg59, 17:26:22)

* Open floor  (mjg59, 17:27:09)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pjones/Features/SecureBoot
is what I've got right now FYI  (pjones, 17:29:11)
  * AGREED: limburgher to chair next meeting  (mjg59, 17:52:05)

Meeting ended at 17:52:16 UTC.

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3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-04 Thread Andre Robatino
I'm using a Rawhide VirtualBox 4.1.16 guest set up to automatically install
guest additions via dkms for each new kernel. My problem is apparently caused by
failure of the guest additions to build properly with the 3.5.0 kernel. When it
attempts to build (either when I install a new 3.5.0 kernel, or boot into one)
it causes the corruption I mentioned. For the time being I've removed dkms in
the guest. The next version of VirtualBox will probably have a fix.

http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/pre-release-beta/475811-re-linux-kernel-3-5-rcx-has-been-released-test-post-your-commentshere-post2467176.html

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Re: 3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Andre Robatino
robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 I'm using a Rawhide VirtualBox 4.1.16 guest set up to automatically install
 guest additions via dkms for each new kernel. My problem is apparently caused 
 by
 failure of the guest additions to build properly with the 3.5.0 kernel. When 
 it
 attempts to build (either when I install a new 3.5.0 kernel, or boot into one)
 it causes the corruption I mentioned. For the time being I've removed dkms in
 the guest. The next version of VirtualBox will probably have a fix.

 http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/pre-release-beta/475811-re-linux-kernel-3-5-rcx-has-been-released-test-post-your-commentshere-post2467176.html

Someone else reported issues with VBox and the 3.5 kernel upstream.
The changes to mmap broke the build of it.  Al Viro looked at it and
apparently found that vbox has some dodgy code that was relying on some
of the old symbols and needs to be rewritten.

I am utterly unsurprised in this development.

Anyway, as you said, VirtualBox needs to fix itself.  There's nothing
we can do here.

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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:57:01 +0200, Tadej Janež wrote:

 For techne (one of the dependent packages which I maintain) you bumped
 the release from 0.2.3-2 to 0.2.3-3, which breaks upgrades to F-17 and
 rawhide.
 Is there a way to revert the change and make a 0.2.3-2.fc16.1 build?

Revert the change in git f16 branch, submit a new build job, then
replace the build in the bodhi ticket.

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi,

I agree some wine fonts are particularly ugly, but then :

1. why is wine making them mandatory? Can't the package be made optional in
wine and wine use one of the default system fonts when it is not present?

2. otherwise an uglier workaround is to ship a fontconfig rule in your package
that makes some other font take precedence when an app demands tahoma

Either way, the problem is not how the font file is installed, or that other
apps make use of tahoma in documents that specify tahoma when a tahoma font is
available, it's that the font itself is ugly and wine does not suggest a
better alternative to tahoma-loving apps

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Reminder: Voting has begun in Fedora Board, FAmSCo, and FESCo elections, ends June 7th

2012-06-04 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Greetings!

A friendly reminder that the elections for the Fedora Board, Fedora
Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo), and the Fedora Ambassadors
Steering Committee (FAmSCo) began on June 1st, 2012, at 00:00:01 UTC,
and will end Thursday, June 7th, 2012 at 23:59:59 UTC.

Please refer to a UTC time zone converter if you are unsure if your
time zone's relation to UTC, such as:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

Ballots may be cast on the Fedora Elections System at:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting

If this is the first time you've used the voting system, please refer
to the Fedora Elections Guide, currently located at:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Fedora_Elections_Guide/index.html

I encourage everyone to read about the candidates for each body; in
addition to their nominations, candidates were also asked to
participate in questionnaires and IRC town halls, and links for that
information is shown below for each group of nominees.

Fedora Board:
* Nominations and questionnaire answers:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections/Nominations
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* Please note that voting for FAmSCo is no longer restricted to
Ambassadors only; eligible voters need only be part of the cla_done
and any other non-cla group in the Fedora Account System.

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Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:36:29 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote:

 Additionally have worth I try read carefully all docs about 
 provenpackager and such updates and have not found how deal with such 
 versions.

It's not provenpackager specific stuff, but found in the basic packaging
guidelines:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Using_the_.25.7B.3Fdist.7D_Tag

 I had look in my packages and few others and found it was 
 updated many times in that way.

Just read the page linked above. There is no strict requirement to
apply this release versioning scheme for old branches. If newer branches
would always win RPM Version Comparison because their %version field
is _higher_, you can bump %release in older branches without risk.

 In packages were was present subrelease 
 after %{?dist} - I increase it.
 Should or must in next time I add it in any package even it does not 
 have it??

As the guidelines say: Be careful with this!
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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Richard Körber

 and Cinnamon is under review at
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252.

Yes, it's under review for 6 months now... :(

I have the impression that the criticism about Gnome 3 isn't taken very
seriously. Neither from the Gnome nor from the Fedora developers. It's just
frustrating...

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F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors:

ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device
Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer...

dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue
dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not exist
dracut Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist

Dropping to debug shell.

dracut:/#


This laptop does not have a 'floppy' device.

Should installing F17 not be as simple as inserting DVD into drive and 
rebooting?

Is there a workaround to get F17 installed from DVD?


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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400
Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors:
 
 ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device
 Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer...
 
 dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue
 dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not
 exist dracut Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist
 
 Dropping to debug shell.
 
 dracut:/#
 
 
 This laptop does not have a 'floppy' device.
 
 Should installing F17 not be as simple as inserting DVD into drive
 and rebooting?
 
 Is there a workaround to get F17 installed from DVD?

Please help debug this issue at: 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827644

kevin


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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/05/2012 12:26 AM, Richard Körber wrote:
 
 and Cinnamon is under review at
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252.
 
 Yes, it's under review for 6 months now... :(

So help out if you can.  Going on a rant isn't going to contribute
towards that.

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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 20:56 +0200, Richard Körber wrote:
  and Cinnamon is under review at
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252.
 
 Yes, it's under review for 6 months now... :(

If you read the history, you can see why. Implementing an entire desktop
environment in line with Fedora policies isn't trivial. The review is
active and clearly working towards a conclusion...it's not as if anyone
is stalling.
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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 10:24 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 Drive manufacturers need to do nothing.

 One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS.  Other drive 
 to everything else.

 The read-write controllable interfaces already exist as I pointed out and 
 are in use by forensic firms.
 And how many consumer OEMs ship them?

 -J
 Any Chinese fab would be able to produce any quantity needed within weeks to 
 any number of OEM's.
 Key words, would be able.  What OEM ships this *today*?  That's my point.

 There are plenty of buttons/keys on machines right now that can be used to 
 toggle this interface.

 It's 100% doable today with existing hardware.


 The whole point is that is that I provided just one example of an equally 
 effective solution to SecureBoot that has much
 less impact on both Microsoft and Linux.   The entire x86 industry is going 
 to become a mess if SecureBoot is
 implemented.  It'll be signature-HELL and a lot more.

 This whole SecureBoot runaway train needs to have the brakes slammed on.
 I'm not saying I love SecureBoot, but that ship has sailed.  

Yes, and just like the Titanic it will have a lasting horrible impact.

Gerry

 I also
 wish Amiga hadn't futzed with their floppy drive stepper motors to
 squeeze in more sectors per disk and made my floppies unreadable
 without a trip to eBay, but that ship has sailed as well, so I pretty
 have to find the best solution available for the situation at hand.

 I would love for SecureBoot not to have happened, or to have happened
 differently. If wishes were horses, even the poor would eat.

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Andreas Bierfert
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 20:06 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
 
 1. why is wine making them mandatory? Can't the package be made
 optional in
 wine and wine use one of the default system fonts when it is not
 present? 

You can use wine without the font installed. It is just the meta package
which pulls in the fonts so that a normal desktop use gets the best
experience possible. You can obviously remove the font package and
fiddle with wine.inf or your registry to define sensible replacements
where you see fit.

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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 On 06/04/2012 10:24 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
 Drive manufacturers need to do nothing.

 One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS.  Other drive 
 to everything else.

 The read-write controllable interfaces already exist as I pointed out and 
 are in use by forensic firms.
 And how many consumer OEMs ship them?

 -J
 Any Chinese fab would be able to produce any quantity needed within weeks 
 to any number of OEM's.
 Key words, would be able.  What OEM ships this *today*?  That's my point.

 There are plenty of buttons/keys on machines right now that can be used 
 to toggle this interface.

 It's 100% doable today with existing hardware.


 The whole point is that is that I provided just one example of an equally 
 effective solution to SecureBoot that has much
 less impact on both Microsoft and Linux.   The entire x86 industry is going 
 to become a mess if SecureBoot is
 implemented.  It'll be signature-HELL and a lot more.

 This whole SecureBoot runaway train needs to have the brakes slammed on.
 I'm not saying I love SecureBoot, but that ship has sailed.

 Yes, and just like the Titanic it will have a lasting horrible impact.

I'm not disputing that that's a possibility.  I'm just arguing that in
lieu of a better solution being available on hardware that's either
currently available or shipping in a Windows 8/Fedora 18-19 timeframe,
I can see why the decision that was made was made.  My opinion on
SecureBoot, my opinion of Microsoft's Windows 8 certification
requirements around SecureBoot, and my opinion on Fedora's actions to
mitigate a bad situation are 3 distinct things.

-J

 Gerry

 I also
 wish Amiga hadn't futzed with their floppy drive stepper motors to
 squeeze in more sectors per disk and made my floppies unreadable
 without a trip to eBay, but that ship has sailed as well, so I pretty
 have to find the best solution available for the situation at hand.

 I would love for SecureBoot not to have happened, or to have happened
 differently. If wishes were horses, even the poor would eat.

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Felix Miata

On 2012/06/04 20:06 (GMT+0200) Nicolas Mailhot composed:


1. why is wine making them mandatory?


Probably related to Tahoma being the Windows System (aka Menu) font in W2K 
and/or WXP (IIRC, in both).

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Andreas Bierfert
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 16:21 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

 On 2012/06/04 20:06 (GMT+0200) Nicolas Mailhot composed:
 
  1. why is wine making them mandatory?
 
 Probably related to Tahoma being the Windows System (aka Menu) font in
 W2K 
 and/or WXP (IIRC, in both). 

It is quite nicely described on wikipedia [1]:
The Wine project includes a free font (Wine Tahoma Regular and Wine
Tahoma Bold) designed to have identical metrics to the Tahoma font.[6]
This was done because Tahoma is available by default on Windows, and
many applications expect the font to be available. Before Wine included
a Tahoma replacement font, some applications, such as Steam, would not
display any text at all, rendering them nearly unusable.

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoma_(typeface)#Free_replacement

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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 22:52 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
 Adam Williamson wrote:
  Given that I was stating my personal opinion on the message we should
  communicate to the general user population about which upgrade methods
  are most likely to work with the least tweaking, though, I'm not sure
  what relevance your personal qualms about buying optical media have to
  do with anything. It's not like I said we should disable yum upgrades.
 
 You wanted to more strongly recommended that people do DVD/netinst 
 upgrades. 
 By recommending this we'd be encouraging users to buy more optical media and 
 thereby give more money to the copyright lobby. Given that freedom is one of 
 Fedora's core values I don't think we should encourage people to give money 
 to 
 organizations that are fighting to take freedom away from the Internet.

Good for you. As things stand, though, as a project, we have no position
on that issue and no objection to optical media. Everyone has their
bugbears. If you can make it clear that enough people in Fedora feel as
strongly as you do about copyright levies, then maybe things will be
different. But, still, the fact remains that the 'DVD' and netinst
images are not in fact tied to optical media. I'd guess (it is entirely
a guess, I have no data) that they're as often deployed via USB as they
are via discs, these days.
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Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 16:58:18 -0400,
  Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote:


I eventually hit it with a hammer and did yum remove '*fc16*', when I reviewed 
the resultant transaction there were a handful of fc17 packages also removed as 
a result of dependencies but these were easily installed again, pulling in 
their fc17 dependencies instead. At this point I now appear to have a stable 
system and everything working, we'll see how long that lasts for though ;).


The problem with that is some packages might have been inherited into f17 
from f16 because there weren't rebuilt for f17. (Since there was a mass 
rebuild for f17 there aren't many of these.)


You can use package-cleanup --orphans to find packages not in any of 
your currently used repos. You can take that list and list the available 
packages (yum list available) to find ones with just blocked updates and 
try removing the rest.

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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400
 Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors:

 ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device
 Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer...

 dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue
 dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not
 exist dracut Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist

 Dropping to debug shell.

 dracut:/#


 This laptop does not have a 'floppy' device.

 Should installing F17 not be as simple as inserting DVD into drive
 and rebooting?

 Is there a workaround to get F17 installed from DVD?
 Please help debug this issue at: 

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827644

 kevin


Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?) but it runs 
the installer at least.

I'm doing custom partitioning and I selected to encrypt the LVM physical volume 
(LUKS) but now it is also asking about
encrypting the filesystem for logical volume.

Do I need both of these?






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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 06:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote:
 On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400
 Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors:

 ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device
 Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer...

 dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue
 dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not
 exist dracut Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist

 Dropping to debug shell.

 dracut:/#


 This laptop does not have a 'floppy' device.

 Should installing F17 not be as simple as inserting DVD into drive
 and rebooting?

 Is there a workaround to get F17 installed from DVD?
 Please help debug this issue at: 

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827644

 kevin


 Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?) but it 
 runs the installer at least.

 I'm doing custom partitioning and I selected to encrypt the LVM physical 
 volume (LUKS) but now it is also asking about
 encrypting the filesystem for logical volume.

 Do I need both of these?

And another problem.  You cannot edit the Volume Group name field.  I need 
several Volume Groups but now I have no way
to do this since there's no way to make them unique.  :-(

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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:37:07 -0400
Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

  Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?)
  but it runs the installer at least.
 
  I'm doing custom partitioning and I selected to encrypt the LVM
  physical volume (LUKS) but now it is also asking about encrypting
  the filesystem for logical volume.
 
  Do I need both of these?
 
 And another problem.  You cannot edit the Volume Group name field.  I
 need several Volume Groups but now I have no way to do this since
 there's no way to make them unique.  :-(

The install guide might be of help... 

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html-single/Installation_Guide/index.html#encrypt-x86

And this is really the sort of question best suited to the users list: 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

not the devel list. ;) 

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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 07:37 PM, Gerry Reno wrote:
 On 06/04/2012 06:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote:
 On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400
 Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors:

 ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device
 Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer...

 dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue
 dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not
 exist dracut Warning: /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist

 Dropping to debug shell.

 dracut:/#


 This laptop does not have a 'floppy' device.

 Should installing F17 not be as simple as inserting DVD into drive
 and rebooting?

 Is there a workaround to get F17 installed from DVD?
 Please help debug this issue at: 

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827644

 kevin


 Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?) but it 
 runs the installer at least.

 I'm doing custom partitioning and I selected to encrypt the LVM physical 
 volume (LUKS) but now it is also asking about
 encrypting the filesystem for logical volume.

 Do I need both of these?

 And another problem.  You cannot edit the Volume Group name field.  I need 
 several Volume Groups but now I have no way
 to do this since there's no way to make them unique.  :-(

 .

Opened bug on inability to edit Volume Group name:  
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828592

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Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 07:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:37:07 -0400
 Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:

 Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?)
 but it runs the installer at least.

 I'm doing custom partitioning and I selected to encrypt the LVM
 physical volume (LUKS) but now it is also asking about encrypting
 the filesystem for logical volume.

 Do I need both of these?

 And another problem.  You cannot edit the Volume Group name field.  I
 need several Volume Groups but now I have no way to do this since
 there's no way to make them unique.  :-(
 The install guide might be of help... 

 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html-single/Installation_Guide/index.html#encrypt-x86

 And this is really the sort of question best suited to the users list: 
 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

 not the devel list. ;) 

 kevin



Hey Kevin, I've been custom partitioning Fedora installs since the beginning of 
anaconda.

Look back several years and you'll find still unaddressed installation bugs for 
anaconda/preupgrade.  For example /boot
on RAID.

And things in F17 installer are not exactly as described on the guide.

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Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Körber wrote:
 Yes, [Cinnamon]'s under review for 6 months now... :(

It's available from repos.fedorapeople.org though:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/leigh123linux/cinnamon/

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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
 The usability of Fedora Live will take a hit---the premise is that you
 can insert the CD and boot as-is. If Live is going to require permanent
 changes to the system, one might as well permanently install, no?

Disabling Secure Boot doesn't necessarily have to be permanent if the 
firmware is designed properly. (Of course, if the only way they allow you to 
disable it is to delete all keys and if they don't offer a way to restore 
them, then it's permanent, but I'd call that a very broken firmware.)

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rawhide: libudev version bump, merged into systemd, libudev user need rebuild

2012-06-04 Thread Kay Sievers
We merged the upstream udev repository entirely into the systemd
repository. There is no standalone upstream udev project anymore.

The version of systemd which includes udev has landed in rawhide a
couple of days ago. Fedora 18 will not have a udev.rpm, no libudev.rpm
and no libudev-devel.rpm.

The libgudev1.rpm and libgudev1-devel.rpm are provides the same way as
before and will still exist.

Please remove all udev dependencies in packages which link against
udev. They should now just use:
  Buildrequires: systemd-devel

If a versioned dependency is needed, please use:
  Requires: systemd  XXX

The systemd version number jumped to the next version of the last
release of udev, it is currently 185.

Systemd includes libudev.so.1, while the old libudev.rpm provided
libudev.so.0. Therefore, all packages using udev need to be rebuilt.

These symbols are no longer provided by libudev.so.1:
  - udev_monitor_new_from_socket()
  custom application sockes are no longer supported by udevd, use the
  usual udev_monitor_from_netlink()

  - udev_queue_get_failed_list_entry()
  failed events are not recorded by udev since a long time, code
  that used this can just be removed

  - udev_get_dev_path()
udev_get_sys_path()
udev_get_run_path()
  systemd does not allow to configure any of these filesystem paths, they
  should simply be hard-coded and be replaced by /dev, /sys
and /run/udev

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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread nomnex
I follow this thread, and I follow the other thread about the same
topic, on the user forum where I belong. Flame if if you like for
posting her, but when I read this URLs below [1], I do feel worry.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx#comments

[1] So quickly, in fact, that there is no longer time for anything to
interrupt boot. When you turn on a Windows 8 PC, there’s no longer long
enough to detect keystrokes like F2 or F8, much less time to read a
message such as “Press F2 for Setup.” For the first time in decades,
you will no longer be able to interrupt boot and tell your PC to do
anything different than what it was already expecting to do.

I am located in Japan, I use pre-installed windows (as if it was a
choice) notebooks because I need mobility. My usage of Linux is the
desktop, not the server. Knowing the mentality the Japanese makers,
they will surely enforce UEFI on their W8 models, not letting users
disabling it at boot time.

The only think I expect [hope], at the time of the purchase of my next
notebook (W8/UEFI) -- mine is now 7 y.o. over -- is to erase the OS for
morons. To install my beloved distribution on a empty volume,
and to boot.

Explain me how to remove secure boot, I will do it. It's a chore,
thanks to the nice people at M$, but I want to do it. And that's
possibly (but I speak for myself) what most casual Linux DE users want.
They want to run Linux only.

On a side note:
I could not probably not run Linux if I had to compile all my software.
I can today because of projects like Fedora. And I feel grateful. I
don't use a Linux distribution because i am a computer geek, I use
Linux in the same manner i would use an machine gun, if I was living in
a middle east country, fighting for my freedom.

I keep a bullet for the fat sweaty bald pig.
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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Dennis Gilmore
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El Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:18:17 -0400
Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com escribió:
 On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
 
  The only Freedom you've lost is that now, in addition to the
  person-hours to do the work and monetary cost to host your bits or
  generate physical media, you have an additional cost if you wish to
  have your own cert that will be accepted out of the box by the next
  generation of PC hardware.  You have as much equal footing as
  Fedora does to plunk down the $99 and play along in the PC sandbox.
   That's a better deal than Fedora's gpg signing setup.
 
 
 Hmm, will the package maintainers have the freedom to not support
 users who have the secureboot enabled? How are we going to detect
 this?

i look at it this way. if you patch your software to only run on
machines with secureboot disabled your software then becomes non free
and has to be removed from fedora.  this is becasuse you are placing
usage restrictions on it. depending on the license of the software
adding such a restriction would violate the license. I am not a lawyer
at all and never pretend to play one, but i do not think you as a
package maintainer can do that. an upstream could, but i imagine it
would be viewed in the same light as a commercial use restriction and
become non-free.

Dennis
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Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:35:22 +0200
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:

 Przemek Klosowski wrote:
  The usability of Fedora Live will take a hit---the premise is that
  you can insert the CD and boot as-is. If Live is going to require
  permanent changes to the system, one might as well permanently
  install, no?
 
 Disabling Secure Boot doesn't necessarily have to be permanent if
 the firmware is designed properly. (Of course, if the only way they
 allow you to disable it is to delete all keys and if they don't offer
 a way to restore them, then it's permanent, but I'd call that a very
 broken firmware.)

Yeah, my reading of: 

Mandatory. If the firmware is reset to factory, then any customized
Secure Boot variables are also factory reset. If the firmware settings
are reset to factory defaults, all custom-set variables shall be erased
and the OEM PKpub shall be re-established along with the original,
manufacturer-provisioned signature databases.

means you can just reset back to default and get the factory provided
keys back. 

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Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-04 Thread Felix Miata

On 2012/06/04 16:56 (GMT+0200) Andreas Bierfert composed:


I guess we can agree that the technical part of font installation etc.
is done like it should be. However, it is _not_ the wine-tahoma-fonts
package which bullies its way and changes the system look and fell on
its own. There are some web-pages which (maybe unintentionally)


Intentionally in most cases, because it's widespread, and often copied, but 
also quite naively. Those who specify Tahoma as a fallback for Verdana really 
don't understand what they are doing. Virtually no Windows systems with 
Tahoma installed will not also have Verdana installed. For that to happen 
someone would need to remove Verdana. Both are part of the Windows OS 
installation, but not part of a Wine installation. Web pages will always show 
Verdana on Windows, but on Fedora system with Wine, nothing makes it likely 
that either Verdana or Tahoma will be used. Wine-Tahoma is very clearly not 
Tahoma.



explicitly request a tahoma font and if you have wine installed - beware
- they get what they request.


No they don't, unless the same ttf files are installed on those Wine systems 
as are installed on Windows systems.



You argue they do so as a fallback which under 'normal' circumstances
should never be used. My question would then be why we do reach this
point in the first place. Maybe that is a starting point where we can
improve.


It happens because:

1-Microsoft's TTF fonts are not in the browser's font path

2-a poor imitation of Tahoma named Tahoma is in the browser's font path

3-Clueless web authors include Tahoma as a fallback to Verdana, which is not 
part of a standard Wine install, while the Tahoma impostor is



As a packager I, however, find it important that for the
use-case of wine the best available user experience is provided. Hence
this font needs to be included an pulled in by wine like it is today.


The second best possible experience can only result if Microsoft's Tahoma 
font is in the font path. The best would be for Tahoma not to exist at all, 
and something else be provided by fontconfig when it is requested. Tahoma is 
a horizontally squished variant of the ugly Verdana, designed for maximum 
legibility at small sizes, and out of place in any other context.



Now the question remains if there is action needed on this issue. As I
understand that some users do not like the wine tahoma font, the package
as been adopted to disable bitmaps by default and instructions have been
added on how to disable the font.


Unless Microsoft's Tahoma can be installed as a part of Wine installation, 
the Wine installation needs somehow to strongly suggest that Microsoft's 
Tahoma become installed, and note the auto-installed impostor's limitations.

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[perl-Net-OpenSSH] Do not require specific architecture of openssh-clients

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 96b40818247aa0ac8071b3ac7d8b07c082254079
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 09:37:22 2012 +0200

Do not require specific architecture of openssh-clients

The %_isa is undefined on noarch build root. Or it just gets random
value depending on machine koji picks up.

In general there is no reason why noarch package should require
specific ISA, especially in this case.

 perl-Net-OpenSSH.spec |7 +--
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Net-OpenSSH.spec b/perl-Net-OpenSSH.spec
index 647e9cd..5d015dc 100644
--- a/perl-Net-OpenSSH.spec
+++ b/perl-Net-OpenSSH.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Net-OpenSSH
 Version:0.57
-Release:3%{?dist}
+Release:4%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl SSH client package implemented on top of OpenSSH
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
-Requires:   openssh-clients%{?_isa}
+Requires:   openssh-clients
 
 # Needed to stop the sample scripts pulling in more perl packages.
 %{?perl_default_filter}
@@ -50,6 +50,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.57-4
+- Do not require specific architecture of openssh-clients
+
 * Fri May 18 2012 Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch - 0.57-3
 - Rebuild for bad _isa rpm macro.
 
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[perl-Locale-Codes] The POD tests do not run by default anymore

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 3b406ea0d8ba12a07eddb42fa5d996242cf7fb1c
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 13:51:08 2012 +0200

The POD tests do not run by default anymore

 perl-Locale-Codes.spec |8 
 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Locale-Codes.spec b/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
index 7490da3..4de35ae 100644
--- a/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
+++ b/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Locale-Codes
 Version:3.21
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Distribution of modules to handle locale codes
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -13,9 +13,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(constant)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Exporter)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Storable)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
-# Optional tests
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod) = 1.00
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod::Coverage) = 1.00
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 # Inject not detected module version
@@ -51,6 +48,9 @@ find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 
2/dev/null \;
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 3.21-2
+- The POD tests do not run by default anymore
+
 * Fri Mar 02 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 3.21-1
 - 3.21 bump
 
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[perl-Locale-Codes] Switch build script from Module::Build to EU::MM

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit ac29bc901e2160f05756b9ed92629e955b2a44c4
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 13:53:25 2012 +0200

Switch build script from Module::Build to EU::MM

 perl-Locale-Codes.spec |   12 +++-
 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Locale-Codes.spec b/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
index 4de35ae..db9fd46 100644
--- a/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
+++ b/perl-Locale-Codes.spec
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Locale-Codes/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/S/SB/SBECK/Locale-Codes-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildArch:  noarch
-BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Build)
+BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 # Tests
 BuildRequires:  perl(constant)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Exporter)
@@ -31,16 +31,17 @@ including languages, countries, currency, etc.
 chmod -x examples/*
 
 %build
-%{__perl} Build.PL installdirs=vendor
-./Build
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+make %{?_smp_mflags}
 
 %install
-./Build install destdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT create_packlist=0
+make pure_install DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
 %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
 
 %check
-./Build test
+make test
 
 %files
 %doc ChangeLog LICENSE README README.first examples
@@ -50,6 +51,7 @@ find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 
2/dev/null \;
 %changelog
 * Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 3.21-2
 - The POD tests do not run by default anymore
+- Switch build script from Module::Build to EU::MM
 
 * Fri Mar 02 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 3.21-1
 - 3.21 bump
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[perl-YAML-Tiny] The POD tests do not run by default

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 1faddf246fc30f013c54103280db5aa0d53c3f08
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 14:18:28 2012 +0200

The POD tests do not run by default

 perl-YAML-Tiny.spec |6 --
 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec b/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
index 6f02600..66eb441 100644
--- a/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
+++ b/perl-YAML-Tiny.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-YAML-Tiny
 Version:1.51
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Read/Write YAML files with as little code as possible
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -14,7 +14,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec) = 0.80
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec::Functions)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Scalar::Util)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.47
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Pod)
 BuildRequires:  perl(YAML)
 BuildRequires:  perl(YAML::Syck)
 Requires:   perl(Exporter)
@@ -50,6 +49,9 @@ make test AUTOMATED_TESTING=1
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 1.51-2
+- The POD tests do not run by default
+
 * Wed Mar 14 2012 Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com - 1.51-1
 - 1.51 bump
 - Remove command macros
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[perl-Devel-Leak] Specify all dependencies

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 8d14bc143063d8d86355547732d19ec554d7da18
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 14:23:22 2012 +0200

Specify all dependencies

 perl-Devel-Leak.spec |   10 +-
 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Devel-Leak.spec b/perl-Devel-Leak.spec
index e4c779f..128e915 100644
--- a/perl-Devel-Leak.spec
+++ b/perl-Devel-Leak.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Devel-Leak
 Version:0.03
-Release:16%{?dist}
+Release:17%{?dist}
 Summary:Utility for looking for perl objects that are not reclaimed
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-Leak/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/N/NI/NI-S/Devel-Leak-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
+# Run-time:
+BuildRequires:  perl(base)
+BuildRequires:  perl(DynaLoader)
+# Tests:
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 %description
@@ -46,6 +51,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.03-17
+- Specify all dependencies
+
 * Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.03-16
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
 
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[perl-Module-Build] Do not run PAR tests on bootstrap

2012-06-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 6963f57cb67159a6e48137be851ee50305dda3e1
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Jun 4 14:40:01 2012 +0200

Do not run PAR tests on bootstrap

 perl-Module-Build.spec |   12 ++--
 1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Module-Build.spec b/perl-Module-Build.spec
index 25ed5e2..44d8a0a 100644
--- a/perl-Module-Build.spec
+++ b/perl-Module-Build.spec
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-Module-Build
 Epoch:  2
 Version:0.40
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Build and install Perl modules
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -36,12 +36,16 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(IO::File)
 BuildRequires:  perl(lib)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Build)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Metadata) = 1.02
-BuildRequires:  perl(PAR::Dist)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Parse::CPAN::Meta)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Perl::OSType) = 1
+# Optional tests:
+%if !%{defined perl_bootstrap}
+BuildRequires:  perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires:  perl(PAR::Dist)
 %if 0%{?fedora}  || 0%{?rhel}  7
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Readme)
 %endif
+%endif
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Harness) = 3.16
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.49
 BuildRequires:  perl(version) = 0.87
@@ -54,6 +58,7 @@ Requires:   perl(ExtUtils::Manifest) = 1.54
 Requires:   perl(ExtUtils::Mkbootstrap)
 Requires:   perl(ExtUtils::ParseXS) = 2.21
 Requires:   perl(Module::Metadata) = 1.02
+# Keep PAR support optional (PAR::Dist)
 Requires:   perl(Perl::OSType) = 1
 Requires:   perl(Test::Harness)
 
@@ -97,6 +102,9 @@ LANG=C TEST_SIGNATURE=1 MB_TEST_EXPERIMENTAL=1 ./Build test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Jun 04 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 2:0.40-2
+- Do not run PAR tests on bootstrap
+
 * Thu May 31 2012 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 2:0.40-1
 - 0.40 bump
 - All reverse dependecies must require use 2-digit Module::Build version now
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[Bug 828203] New: Locale-Codes 3.22 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828203

Bug ID: 828203
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   URL: http://search.cpan.org/~sbeck/Locale-Codes-3.22/
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: mmasl...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Assignee: ppi...@redhat.com
   Summary: Locale-Codes 3.22 is available
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: ppi...@redhat.com
  Type: Bug
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: ASSIGNED
 Component: perl-Locale-Codes
   Product: Fedora

New version 3.22 is available. The only change is a database of codes. Pushing
to older Fedoras is recommended.

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[Bug 828213] New: perl-Alien-SDL-1.434 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828213

Bug ID: 828213
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: mmasl...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Assignee: mmasl...@redhat.com
   Summary: perl-Alien-SDL-1.434 is available
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
  Type: ---
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Alien-SDL
   Product: Fedora

Latest upstream release: 1.434
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.430
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Alien-SDL/

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[Bug 828214] New: perl-Archive-Tar-1.88 is available

2012-06-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=828214

Bug ID: 828214
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: mmasl...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Assignee: mmasl...@redhat.com
   Summary: perl-Archive-Tar-1.88 is available
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
  Type: ---
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Archive-Tar
   Product: Fedora

Latest upstream release: 1.88
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.84
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Archive-Tar/

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