Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Dan Čermák]

Florian Weimer  writes:

> * Stephen Gallagher:
>
>> First, as the cleanup of unnecessary dependencies in the Fedora ELN
>> has not yet completed, we are revising our plan of performing a
>> mass-import of *all* Fedora ELN content to CentOS Stream 10 in July.
>> Instead, we plan to move to a phased approach wherein we will first
>> import, build and test only the portions of CentOS Stream 10 that we
>> currently have slated for inclusion in the delivered "runtime". As a
>> necessary side-effect of this, it means that we will NOT be
>> transitioning directly to CentOS Stream 10 as a self-hosted
>> environment.
>
> A bit related to the CentOS 10 bringup, the CentOS ISA SIG is currently
> porting CentOS 9 Stream to the x86-64-v3 ISA level.  I believe there are
> some failures that are not yet fixed in ELN/upstream, and we'll be
> sharing our workarounds with rawhide/ELN as appropriate.

Just out of curiosity, have you looked at the glibc-hwcaps effort that
has been going on the openSUSE side of the world for this? In theory it
should allow to have the optimized subpackages for the respective
architecture levels in the same repositories and it would not require a
full rebuild of the who distribution.


Cheers,

Dan
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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 17:59, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:


On 16. 06. 23 15:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

This leads me to my next schedule announcement: we will be performing
the initial CentOS Stream 10 branch creation in Gitlab for all
packages in the Fedora ELN runtime package set[1]  during the week of
July 19th, coincident with the Fedora 39 mass-rebuild.


Will you please, please, please, please import the packages with git history
and not via fepdkg srpm -> centpkg import?


YES!


Thank you so much for this!

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Till Hofmann]

On 6/16/23 09:47, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for 
limitations in the build system isn't nice.


Apologies for not being nice enough. However, we need to notify the 
folks who do that and ask them to stop, because as you say, the system 
is not perfect.


If you have specific suggestions, please speak up.


Just an idea: If you also directly send the email to the package 
maintainers ( via -maintain...@fedoraproject.org ) of all 
affected packages, the chance of missing the email may be much lower 
(this would certainly be the case for me).


That would be a lot of people in the initial email, but if you do that 
at least in the follow-up where you mention the packages that were 
rebuilt on accident, you could CC the affected maintainers.


Kind regards,
Till
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Re: [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : ELN SIG

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 9:46 AM Stephen Gallagher  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:45 AM Stephen Gallagher  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 8:00 AM  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > You are kindly invited to the meeting:
> > >ELN SIG on 2023-06-16 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/Eastern
> > >At fedora-meet...@irc.libera.chat
> > >
> > > The meeting will be about:
> >
> > * x86_64-v3 baseline and dropping
> > i686 multilib
> > * Plans for the next 3-6 months
>
>
> I've just sent out a message[1] to devel-announce describing our plans
> in broad strokes. Anyone who has questions or wants to help is welcome
> to join us for our meeting today.
>
> == tl;dr ==
> * We'll do an ELN mass rebuild to see how many builds will fail
> * We'll import ELN packages to c10s gradually, starting with just the
> runtime set. We'll use ELN as the buildroot at the start.
> * We'll import the buildroot set to c10s when it gets small enough.
> * You’ll see activity in CentOS Stream 10, but it’s not yet time to
> get involved. A general availability announcement will follow sometime
> in the first half of 2024.
> == tl;dr ==
>
> [1] 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IXNTPGKHWTW7H7XVMZICSJRUDOHO2KJC/


Due to failure to reach quorum again this week, I'm going to
reschedule this meeting for next Friday, June 23rd. This will NOT
impact the schedule for the June 30th meeting.
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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:46 AM Florian Weimer  wrote:
>
> * Stephen Gallagher:
>
> > First, as the cleanup of unnecessary dependencies in the Fedora ELN
> > has not yet completed, we are revising our plan of performing a
> > mass-import of *all* Fedora ELN content to CentOS Stream 10 in July.
> > Instead, we plan to move to a phased approach wherein we will first
> > import, build and test only the portions of CentOS Stream 10 that we
> > currently have slated for inclusion in the delivered "runtime". As a
> > necessary side-effect of this, it means that we will NOT be
> > transitioning directly to CentOS Stream 10 as a self-hosted
> > environment.
>
> A bit related to the CentOS 10 bringup, the CentOS ISA SIG is currently
> porting CentOS 9 Stream to the x86-64-v3 ISA level.  I believe there are
> some failures that are not yet fixed in ELN/upstream, and we'll be
> sharing our workarounds with rawhide/ELN as appropriate.

Much appreciated. I know Yaakov Selkowitz has stumbled across at least
one v3-specific issue that he's sent your way. We'll do whatever we
can to help.
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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Todd Zullinger]

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>>
>> On 16. 06. 23 15:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> This leads me to my next schedule announcement: we will be performing
>>> the initial CentOS Stream 10 branch creation in Gitlab for all
>>> packages in the Fedora ELN runtime package set[1]  during the week of
>>> July 19th, coincident with the Fedora 39 mass-rebuild.
>>
>> Will you please, please, please, please import the packages with git history
>> and not via fepdkg srpm -> centpkg import?
> 
> YES!

Excellent news!  As someone who takes git history (maybe a
little too) seriously, this is quite welcome.  Thanks to
all who helped make the change. :)

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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 16. 06. 23 15:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > This leads me to my next schedule announcement: we will be performing
> > the initial CentOS Stream 10 branch creation in Gitlab for all
> > packages in the Fedora ELN runtime package set[1]  during the week of
> > July 19th, coincident with the Fedora 39 mass-rebuild.
>
> Will you please, please, please, please import the packages with git history
> and not via fepdkg srpm -> centpkg import?

YES!
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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 15:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

This leads me to my next schedule announcement: we will be performing
the initial CentOS Stream 10 branch creation in Gitlab for all
packages in the Fedora ELN runtime package set[1]  during the week of
July 19th, coincident with the Fedora 39 mass-rebuild.


Will you please, please, please, please import the packages with git history 
and not via fepdkg srpm -> centpkg import?


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Re: SIG proposal: libreoffice-sig

[Mattia Verga via devel]

I've filed the request to set up a libreoffice-sig: 
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11372

If I forgot something in the request, please correct it. I've also quickly set 
up a wiki page which can be enhanced in many ways... ;-)

Mattia
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Re: Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Florian Weimer]

* Stephen Gallagher:

> First, as the cleanup of unnecessary dependencies in the Fedora ELN
> has not yet completed, we are revising our plan of performing a
> mass-import of *all* Fedora ELN content to CentOS Stream 10 in July.
> Instead, we plan to move to a phased approach wherein we will first
> import, build and test only the portions of CentOS Stream 10 that we
> currently have slated for inclusion in the delivered "runtime". As a
> necessary side-effect of this, it means that we will NOT be
> transitioning directly to CentOS Stream 10 as a self-hosted
> environment.

A bit related to the CentOS 10 bringup, the CentOS ISA SIG is currently
porting CentOS 9 Stream to the x86-64-v3 ISA level.  I believe there are
some failures that are not yet fixed in ELN/upstream, and we'll be
sharing our workarounds with rawhide/ELN as appropriate.

Thanks,
Florian
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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 17:16, Scott Talbert wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, Miro Hrončok wrote:

Hi, I have the python-qcengine package, which is not rebuilt by python 3.12 
yet.

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-qcengine


Hello. This is waiting for:

   python-qcelemental
   python-pint

Which is waiting for:

   python-matplotlib
   python-fs
   python-contourpy
   python-pillow
   python-pytest-mpl

python-pillow is currently one of the biggest blockers, blocked on 
python-pyqt5-sip, which segfaults during build :/


Fixed python-pyqt5-sip.


You are awesome!

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Scott Talbert]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, Miro Hrončok wrote:

Hi, I have the python-qcengine package, which is not rebuilt by python 3.12 
yet.

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-qcengine


Hello. This is waiting for:

   python-qcelemental
   python-pint

Which is waiting for:

   python-matplotlib
   python-fs
   python-contourpy
   python-pillow
   python-pytest-mpl

python-pillow is currently one of the biggest blockers, blocked on 
python-pyqt5-sip, which segfaults during build :/


Fixed python-pyqt5-sip.

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Re: (lack) of koji stability

[Fabio Valentini]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 4:37 PM Chris Kelley  wrote:
>
> Mine just failed with this, which doesn't look great:
>
>   File "", line 225, in makedirs
> OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: 
> '/var/tmp/koji/tasks/996/102220996/local/work'
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 15:31, Ralf Corsépius  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am facing (seemingly non-deterministic) FTBSes in builds, which
>> flawlessly build local mocks.
>>
>> On top of that, a couple of minutes ago, koji reported:
>>
>>   File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/daemon.py", line 1492, in
>> runTask
>>  response = (handler.run(),)
>>  ^
>>File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/tasks.py", line 335, in run
>>  return koji.util.call_with_argcheck(self.handler, self.params,
>> self.opts)
>> ^^ ...
>>
>> WTH is going on?

It looks like one of the x86 koji builders has run out of disk space.
It's already been reported: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11484

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Re: (lack) of koji stability

[Chris Kelley]

Mine just failed with this, which doesn't look great:

  File "", line 225, in makedirs
OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device:
'/var/tmp/koji/tasks/996/102220996/local/work'


On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 15:31, Ralf Corsépius  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am facing (seemingly non-deterministic) FTBSes in builds, which
> flawlessly build local mocks.
>
> On top of that, a couple of minutes ago, koji reported:
>
>   File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/daemon.py", line 1492, in
> runTask
>  response = (handler.run(),)
>  ^
>File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/tasks.py", line 335, in run
>  return koji.util.call_with_argcheck(self.handler, self.params,
> self.opts)
> ^^ ...
>
> WTH is going on?
>
> Ralf
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Re: (lack) of koji stability

[Arthur Bols]

On 16/06/2023 16:29, Ralf Corsépius wrote:

Hi,

I am facing (seemingly non-deterministic) FTBSes in builds, which 
flawlessly build local mocks.


On top of that, a couple of minutes ago, koji reported:

 File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/daemon.py", line 1492, 
in runTask

    response = (handler.run(),)
    ^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/tasks.py", line 335, in 
run
    return koji.util.call_with_argcheck(self.handler, self.params, 
self.opts)

^^ ...

WTH is going on?

Ralf


My build also just failed on i686 with the same error: 
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=102221654


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(lack) of koji stability

[Ralf Corsépius]

Hi,

I am facing (seemingly non-deterministic) FTBSes in builds, which 
flawlessly build local mocks.


On top of that, a couple of minutes ago, koji reported:

 File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/daemon.py", line 1492, in 
runTask

response = (handler.run(),)
^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/koji/tasks.py", line 335, in run
return koji.util.call_with_argcheck(self.handler, self.params, 
self.opts)

   ^^ ...

WTH is going on?

Ralf
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Re: update to jpegxl-0.8.1 with soname bump

[Sérgio Basto]

Hi, 

I'm going do a sidetag this weekend I will rebuild the 15 dependencies
[1] let me know, if you know of any impediment.

Thank you 

[1]
Depending on: jpegxl (15) 
ImageMagick (maintained by: dcavalca, epel-packagers-sig, kalev, luya,
ngompa, remi, salimma, sergiomb)
ImageMagick-1:7.1.1.11-1.fc39.src requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0
ImageMagick-libs-1:7.1.1.11-1.fc39.i686 requires libjxl.so.0.7,
libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0), libjxl_threads.so.0.7,
libjxl_threads.so.0.7(JXL_0)
ImageMagick-libs-1:7.1.1.11-1.fc39.x86_64 requires
libjxl.so.0.7()(64bit), libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0)(64bit),
libjxl_threads.so.0.7()(64bit), libjxl_threads.so.0.7(JXL_0)(64bit)

SDL2_image (maintained by: fcami, ngompa, pwalter, sergiomb)
SDL2_image-2.6.3-1.fc39.i686 requires libjxl.so.0.7,
libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0)
SDL2_image-2.6.3-1.fc39.src requires libjxl-devel = 1:0.7.0-6.fc38
SDL2_image-2.6.3-1.fc39.x86_64 requires libjxl.so.0.7()(64bit),
libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0)(64bit)
SDL2_image-devel-2.6.3-1.fc39.i686 requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0
SDL2_image-devel-2.6.3-1.fc39.x86_64 requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0

aom (maintained by: decathorpe, ngompa)
aom-3.6.0-1.fc39.src requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0
libaom-3.6.0-1.fc39.i686 requires libjxl.so.0.7, libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0)
libaom-3.6.0-1.fc39.x86_64 requires libjxl.so.0.7()(64bit),
libjxl.so.0.7(JXL_0)(64bit)
libaom-devel-3.6.0-1.fc39.i686 requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0
libaom-devel-3.6.0-1.fc39.x86_64 requires pkgconfig(libjxl) = 0.7.0

darktable (maintained by: aekoroglu, asn, germano, kalev)
darktable-4.2.1-1.fc39.src requires libjxl-devel = 1:0.7.0-6.fc38
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Re: [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : ELN SIG

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:45 AM Stephen Gallagher  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 8:00 AM  wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > You are kindly invited to the meeting:
> >ELN SIG on 2023-06-16 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/Eastern
> >At fedora-meet...@irc.libera.chat
> >
> > The meeting will be about:
>
> * x86_64-v3 baseline and dropping
> i686 multilib
> * Plans for the next 3-6 months


I've just sent out a message[1] to devel-announce describing our plans
in broad strokes. Anyone who has questions or wants to help is welcome
to join us for our meeting today.

== tl;dr ==
* We'll do an ELN mass rebuild to see how many builds will fail
* We'll import ELN packages to c10s gradually, starting with just the
runtime set. We'll use ELN as the buildroot at the start.
* We'll import the buildroot set to c10s when it gets small enough.
* You’ll see activity in CentOS Stream 10, but it’s not yet time to
get involved. A general availability announcement will follow sometime
in the first half of 2024.
== tl;dr ==

[1] 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IXNTPGKHWTW7H7XVMZICSJRUDOHO2KJC/
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Fedora ELN Plans for Summer 2023

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On behalf of the ELN SIG, I'd like to share with you some of our plans
for summer 2023. First, as some of you may know, we will be more
actively beginning the process of launching CentOS Stream 10. We have
made some recent changes to our strategy and schedule and this email
will attempt to cover them both in detail. This will be a long email,
so strap in!

== tl;dr ==
* We'll do an ELN mass rebuild to see how many builds will fail
* We'll import ELN packages to c10s gradually, starting with just the
runtime set. We'll use ELN as the buildroot at the start.
* We'll import the buildroot set to c10s when it gets small enough.
* You’ll see activity in CentOS Stream 10, but it’s not yet time to
get involved. A general availability announcement will follow sometime
in the first half of 2024.
== tl;dr ==

We plan to perform a targeted mass-rebuild of Fedora ELN in a side-tag
beginning on June 26th. We will be bumping the %{dist} value for ELN
(currently .eln126) to avoid rpmdev-bumpspec noise. This rebuild will
be used as a "canary" for how successful the initial import of CentOS
Stream would be if we were to start it on that day. We are making
several changes to our original plan as we do this.

First, as the cleanup of unnecessary dependencies in the Fedora ELN
has not yet completed, we are revising our plan of performing a
mass-import of *all* Fedora ELN content to CentOS Stream 10 in July.
Instead, we plan to move to a phased approach wherein we will first
import, build and test only the portions of CentOS Stream 10 that we
currently have slated for inclusion in the delivered "runtime". As a
necessary side-effect of this, it means that we will NOT be
transitioning directly to CentOS Stream 10 as a self-hosted
environment.

Instead, we will be retaining the Fedora ELN buildroot repository for
use as the CentOS Stream 10 buildroot repository for some time (quite
possibly until as late as February 6th, when Fedora 40 branches from
Rawhide and CentOS Stream ceases syncing builds from Fedora ELN).
During this time, CentOS Stream 10 builds will be superseded in the
buildroot by Fedora ELN builds. While this sounds counterintuitive,
this will actually allow us to take advantage of Fedora ELN to avoid
build-ordering problems, such as those from soname bumps. The reason
for this is that Fedora ELN, unlike when it in turn is synced from
Fedora Rawhide, will functionally contain all of the same intended
build attributes as CentOS Stream, such as build macros, compiler
baseline flags and specfile conditionals. Since Fedora ELN should
already be a preview of what CentOS Stream 10 should look like, we
anticipate that there will be far fewer opportunities for build
environment differences to rear their heads. Note that there will, of
course, be an override option in place should we need to explicitly
tag a CentOS Stream 10 build into the buildroot.

This leads me to my next schedule announcement: we will be performing
the initial CentOS Stream 10 branch creation in Gitlab for all
packages in the Fedora ELN runtime package set[1]  during the week of
July 19th, coincident with the Fedora 39 mass-rebuild. Once the
branches are created, we will also kick off the mass-build of that
package set using Fedora ELN as the buildroot. Given the timing with
the Fedora mass-rebuild, we are looking into whether to have our
CentOS Stream 10 import "piggyback" off of it by carrying our
Rawhide->ELN sync through to the ELN->CS10 sync, or if we would be
better off waiting and performing the import manually.

The last bit of the plan is something of a non-announcement. As of
right now, we do not have a firm date on when we will be importing the
CentOS Stream buildroot-only components into CentOS Stream 10. We're
toying with the idea of not doing this at all until we diverge from
Fedora 40 (2024-02-06) in order to maximize the time we have to trim
down the build dependencies. This way we do not end up importing and
retiring dozens or hundreds of unwanted packages into CentOS Stream
Gitlab, only to retire them shortly thereafter.

A lot of this is new and somewhat experimental. That's why we have
decided on this rather aggressive timeline: if this does not go as
smoothly as we hope, we will have ample time to correct before CentOS
Stream 10 goes live for wider contribution.

Alright, I guess this isn't quite as long as I expected it was going
to be, but it's quite dense. Questions and suggestions are most
welcome.


== Some Expected Questions We Have Answers For ==

Q1: Does this mean that CentOS Stream 10 is opening for contribution soon?
A1: From the geological scale of enterprise software, absolutely! From
the scale of a Fedora cycle, it's still at least six months out. That
said, since we're priming the pump in public this time around, you
will have a much clearer window into how things get rolling.

Q2: Why are the CentOS Stream 10 builds not going to take priority
over the ELN external repo 

Re: LibreOffice packages

[Gwyn Ciesla via devel]

I built it successfully in the side tag by disabling tests. There's a new 
release; I'll see if that fixes things.



-- 
Gwyn Ciesla
she/her/hers
 
in your fear, seek only peace 
in your fear, seek only love
-d. bowie


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--- Original Message ---
On Friday, June 16th, 2023 at 2:34 AM, Dan Horák  wrote:


> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:40:39 +0200
> Miro Hrončok mhron...@redhat.com wrote:
> 

> > On 01. 06. 23 22:16, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
> > 

> > > I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep 
> > > the lights on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome.
> > 

> > Thanks.
> > 

> > Could you please prioritize making it build? The LibreOffice package fails 
> > to
> > build in rawhide for months. It's now blocking the Python 3.12 rebuild:
> > 

> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2215352
> > 

> > This is not directed only at Gwyn, but all the other folks who offered help.
> 

> 

> for the record, the build failure is caused by a failing test, but it
> doesn't show if it's the only problem there
> 

> ...
> Test name: DesktopLOKTest::testSignDocument_PEM_PDF
> assertion failed
> - Expression: bResult
> Failures !!!
> 

> I believe we need a shared document to track who is doing what and
> generally coordinate the actions.
> 

> 

> Dan
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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Bastien Nocera]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 12:08, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 16. 06. 23 9:57, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 09:48, Miro Hrončok  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> >  > Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for
> limitations
> > in the
> >  > build system isn't nice.
> >
> > Apologies for not being nice enough. However, we need to notify the
> folks who
> > do that and ask them to stop, because as you say, the system is not
> perfect.
> >
> > If you have specific suggestions, please speak up.
> >
> >
> > Yes, tell folks that they might have missed an email instead of sending
> a
> > scolding " Please, don't do that."
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I honestly had no idea that "please, don't do
> that"
> could be considered unfriendly, but I hope that's language/cultural
> barrier
> (rather than me being a sociopath). I've adjusted my wording in the
> followup
> emails.
>

Thanks for heeding advice in good grace :)


> >  > I fixed my missing the devel-announce email by subscribing to the
> list
> > (though
> >  > this should probably be implemented somewhere in the accounts
> system)
> > but I'm
> >  > afraid I cannot do anything about the build system not allowing
> for
> > specific
> >  > blocking of builds in circumstances such as yours.
> >
> > I kindly ask you not to submit rawhide builds of packages that have
> been
> > already built in our side tag, until the side tag is merged. If you
> cannot do
> > that, I kindly ask you not to build any packages until the side tag
> is merged.
> > Unfortunately, asking people is the only thing I am able to do.
> >
> >
> > I'm talking about limitations in the build system that don't allow you
> to
> > automatically do what you're trying to get *people* to do instead.
> >
> > People are fallible, and filing an RFE for the build system would go
> some way
> > to shifting the burden to a computer.
>
> This has actually been discussed on this list several times already, but
> Fabio
> was kind enough to file that RFE today:
>
> https://pagure.io/koji/issue/3847
>
> That said, most of Fedora's RFEs to Koji that would make things easier for
> packagers seem to linger, presumably due to capacity reasons.
>

I think it's important, whether we can implement solutions now or not, to
track those problems. It will make it easier for others to find the ticket,
and comment on whether it would have been useful to them, and maybe figure
out just how much time they could have saved using those features.

Cheers

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Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230616.n.0 changes

[Fedora Rawhide Report]

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Nikita Popov]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:11 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 16. 06. 23 12:07, Nikita Popov wrote:
> > We have a conflicting python-lit build sitting in another side tag --
> we'll
> > discard that one and rebuild once your side tag is merged.
>
> If it's already built and ready to be shipped, do it. Our side tag will
> last
> for ~1 week at least. Happy to bump python-lit once again to make your
> side tag
> work unblocked. Just let us know.


It's part of an LLVM update, so our side tag will also include clang and
lldb rebuilds once done, which you'd then have to rebuild as well (again...)

So I think it's best if we delay our update until you're done. (cc Tulio
who is doing these builds.)

Regards,
Nikita
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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 12:07, Nikita Popov wrote:
We have a conflicting python-lit build sitting in another side tag -- we'll 
discard that one and rebuild once your side tag is merged.


If it's already built and ready to be shipped, do it. Our side tag will last 
for ~1 week at least. Happy to bump python-lit once again to make your side tag 
work unblocked. Just let us know.


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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 9:57, Bastien Nocera wrote:



On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 09:48, Miro Hrončok > wrote:


On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Bastien Nocera wrote:
 > Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for limitations
in the
 > build system isn't nice.

Apologies for not being nice enough. However, we need to notify the folks 
who
do that and ask them to stop, because as you say, the system is not perfect.

If you have specific suggestions, please speak up.


Yes, tell folks that they might have missed an email instead of sending a 
scolding " Please, don't do that."


Thanks for the suggestion. I honestly had no idea that "please, don't do that" 
could be considered unfriendly, but I hope that's language/cultural barrier 
(rather than me being a sociopath). I've adjusted my wording in the followup 
emails.



 > I fixed my missing the devel-announce email by subscribing to the list
(though
 > this should probably be implemented somewhere in the accounts system)
but I'm
 > afraid I cannot do anything about the build system not allowing for
specific
 > blocking of builds in circumstances such as yours.

I kindly ask you not to submit rawhide builds of packages that have been
already built in our side tag, until the side tag is merged. If you cannot 
do
that, I kindly ask you not to build any packages until the side tag is 
merged.
Unfortunately, asking people is the only thing I am able to do.


I'm talking about limitations in the build system that don't allow you to 
automatically do what you're trying to get *people* to do instead.


People are fallible, and filing an RFE for the build system would go some way 
to shifting the burden to a computer.


This has actually been discussed on this list several times already, but Fabio 
was kind enough to file that RFE today:


https://pagure.io/koji/issue/3847

That said, most of Fedora's RFEs to Koji that would make things easier for 
packagers seem to linger, presumably due to capacity reasons.


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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Nikita Popov]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:20 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 13. 06. 23 14:02, Tomas Hrnciar wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in order to deliver Python 3.12, we are running a coordinated rebuild in
> a side
> > tag.
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.12
> > 
> >
> > We anticipate starting this rebuildsometimethis week.
> >
> > If you see a "Rebuilt for Python 3.12" (or similar) commit in your
> package,
> > please don't rebuild it in regular rawhideor another rawhide side tag.
> If you
> > need to, please let us know, so we can coordinate.
> >
> > If you'd like to build apackageafter we already rebuilt it, you should
> be able
> > to build it in the side tag via:
> >
> > on branch rawhide:
> > $ fedpkg build --target=f39-python
> > $ koji wait-repo f39-python --build 
> >
> > Note that it will take a while before all the essential packages are
> rebuilt,
> > so don't expect all your dependencies to be available right away.
> Please, don't
> > attempt to build your package in the side tag before we do.
> > When in trouble, ask here or on IRC (#fedora-python on Libera.Chat).
> Ping me
> > (thrnciar) or Miro (mhroncok) if you need to talk to us.
> >
> > Builds:
> >
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0
> <
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0
> >
> >
> > Please avoid any potentially disturbing or major changes in Python
> packages
> > until the rebuild is over.
> >
> > Thanks. Let us know if you have any questions.
>
> Hey folks,
>
> apologies if you have missed our announcement, but I'd like to ask you not
> to
> build packages in rawhide if they have received a "Rebuilt for Python
> 3.12"
> commit. For details, see the announcement quoted above.
>
> The following packages have been rebuilt in rawhide after we have rebuilt
> them
> in the f39-python side tag and I will now bump them again and build them
> again
> in f39-python:
>
> clang
> lldb
>
> Please avoid further rawhide builds of them until the side tag is merged.
>
> Thanks and sorry for the trouble.
>

Whoops, sorry for the interference!

We have a conflicting python-lit build sitting in another side tag -- we'll
discard that one and rebuild once your side tag is merged.

Regards,
Nikita
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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 10:02, Felix Wang wrote:

Hi, I have the python-qcengine package, which is not rebuilt by python 3.12 yet.
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-qcengine


Hello. This is waiting for:

python-qcelemental
python-pint

Which is waiting for:

python-matplotlib
python-fs
python-contourpy
python-pillow
python-pytest-mpl

python-pillow is currently one of the biggest blockers, blocked on 
python-pyqt5-sip, which segfaults during build :/


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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Miro Hrončok wrote:
The following packages were built in rawhide after they were built in out 
Python 3.12 side tag (f39-python):


...
python-cerberus


I believe this also wasn't built after 3.12 rebuild, but the rawhide version is 
0-1.3.4-1.fc38, which is > 0-1.3.2-3.fc39.


The dist-git history goes:

1.3.1 -> 1.3.2 -> 1.3.4 -> 1.3.3 -> 1.3.2

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-cerberus/commits/rawhide

Not sure how to fix this properly without stepping on the maintainers' toes.


I've opened https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-cerberus/pull-request/2

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 13. 06. 23 14:02, Tomas Hrnciar wrote:

Hello,

in order to deliver Python 3.12, we are running a coordinated rebuild in a side 
tag.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.12 



We anticipate starting this rebuildsometimethis week.

If you see a "Rebuilt for Python 3.12" (or similar) commit in your package, 
please don't rebuild it in regular rawhideor another rawhide side tag. If you 
need to, please let us know, so we can coordinate.


If you'd like to build apackageafter we already rebuilt it, you should be able 
to build it in the side tag via:


on branch rawhide:
$ fedpkg build --target=f39-python
$ koji wait-repo f39-python --build 

Note that it will take a while before all the essential packages are rebuilt, 
so don't expect all your dependencies to be available right away. Please, don't 
attempt to build your package in the side tag before we do.
When in trouble, ask here or on IRC (#fedora-python on Libera.Chat). Ping me 
(thrnciar) or Miro (mhroncok) if you need to talk to us.


Builds: 
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0 


Please avoid any potentially disturbing or major changes in Python packages 
until the rebuild is over.


Thanks. Let us know if you have any questions.


Hey folks,

apologies if you have missed our announcement, but I'd like to ask you not to 
build packages in rawhide if they have received a "Rebuilt for Python 3.12" 
commit. For details, see the announcement quoted above.


The following packages have been rebuilt in rawhide after we have rebuilt them 
in the f39-python side tag and I will now bump them again and build them again 
in f39-python:


clang
lldb

Please avoid further rawhide builds of them until the side tag is merged.

Thanks and sorry for the trouble.

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Felix Wang]

Hi, I have the python-qcengine package, which is not rebuilt by python 3.12 yet.
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-qcengine
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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Bastien Nocera]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 09:48, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for limitations
> in the
> > build system isn't nice.
>
> Apologies for not being nice enough. However, we need to notify the folks
> who
> do that and ask them to stop, because as you say, the system is not
> perfect.
>
> If you have specific suggestions, please speak up.
>

Yes, tell folks that they might have missed an email instead of sending a
scolding " Please, don't do that."


> > I fixed my missing the devel-announce email by subscribing to the list
> (though
> > this should probably be implemented somewhere in the accounts system)
> but I'm
> > afraid I cannot do anything about the build system not allowing for
> specific
> > blocking of builds in circumstances such as yours.
>
> I kindly ask you not to submit rawhide builds of packages that have been
> already built in our side tag, until the side tag is merged. If you cannot
> do
> that, I kindly ask you not to build any packages until the side tag is
> merged.
> Unfortunately, asking people is the only thing I am able to do.
>

I'm talking about limitations in the build system that don't allow you to
automatically do what you're trying to get *people* to do instead.

People are fallible, and filing an RFE for the build system would go some
way to shifting the burden to a computer.

Cheers

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 9:41, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for limitations in the 
build system isn't nice.


Apologies for not being nice enough. However, we need to notify the folks who 
do that and ask them to stop, because as you say, the system is not perfect.


If you have specific suggestions, please speak up.

I fixed my missing the devel-announce email by subscribing to the list (though 
this should probably be implemented somewhere in the accounts system) but I'm 
afraid I cannot do anything about the build system not allowing for specific 
blocking of builds in circumstances such as yours.


I kindly ask you not to submit rawhide builds of packages that have been 
already built in our side tag, until the side tag is merged. If you cannot do 
that, I kindly ask you not to build any packages until the side tag is merged.

Unfortunately, asking people is the only thing I am able to do.

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Bastien Nocera]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 08:50, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 13. 06. 23 14:02, Tomas Hrnciar wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in order to deliver Python 3.12, we are running a coordinated rebuild in
> a side
> > tag.
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.12
> > 
> >
> > We anticipate starting this rebuildsometimethis week.
> >
> > If you see a "Rebuilt for Python 3.12" (or similar) commit in your
> package,
> > please don't rebuild it in regular rawhideor another rawhide side tag.
> If you
> > need to, please let us know, so we can coordinate.
> >
> > If you'd like to build apackageafter we already rebuilt it, you should
> be able
> > to build it in the side tag via:
> >
> > on branch rawhide:
> > $ fedpkg build --target=f39-python
> > $ koji wait-repo f39-python --build 
> >
> > Note that it will take a while before all the essential packages are
> rebuilt,
> > so don't expect all your dependencies to be available right away.
> Please, don't
> > attempt to build your package in the side tag before we do.
> > When in trouble, ask here or on IRC (#fedora-python on Libera.Chat).
> Ping me
> > (thrnciar) or Miro (mhroncok) if you need to talk to us.
> >
> > Builds:
> >
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0
> <
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0
> >
> >
> > Please avoid any potentially disturbing or major changes in Python
> packages
> > until the rebuild is over.
> >
> > Thanks. Let us know if you have any questions.
>
> The following packages were built in rawhide after they were built in out
> Python 3.12 side tag (f39-python):
>
> codespell
> devscripts
> iscsi-initiator-utils
> libxc
> miniupnpc
> petsc
> python-apypie
> python-bitarray
> python-boto3
> python-cerberus
> python-cloudflare
> python-hpack
> python-pyudev
>
> Please, don't do that.
>

Scolding people that haven't seen your original message for limitations in
the build system isn't nice.

I fixed my missing the devel-announce email by subscribing to the list
(though this should probably be implemented somewhere in the accounts
system) but I'm afraid I cannot do anything about the build system not
allowing for specific blocking of builds in circumstances such as yours.

Cheers


>
> I will now rebuild them in the side tag again.
>
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> IRC: mhroncok
>
>

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Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

[Miro Hrončok]

On 16. 06. 23 8:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 13. 06. 23 14:02, Tomas Hrnciar wrote:

Hello,

in order to deliver Python 3.12, we are running a coordinated rebuild in a 
side tag.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.12 



We anticipate starting this rebuildsometimethis week.

If you see a "Rebuilt for Python 3.12" (or similar) commit in your package, 
please don't rebuild it in regular rawhideor another rawhide side tag. If you 
need to, please let us know, so we can coordinate.


If you'd like to build apackageafter we already rebuilt it, you should be 
able to build it in the side tag via:


on branch rawhide:
$ fedpkg build --target=f39-python
$ koji wait-repo f39-python --build 

Note that it will take a while before all the essential packages are rebuilt, 
so don't expect all your dependencies to be available right away. Please, 
don't attempt to build your package in the side tag before we do.
When in trouble, ask here or on IRC (#fedora-python on Libera.Chat). Ping me 
(thrnciar) or Miro (mhroncok) if you need to talk to us.


Builds: 
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?latest=0&tagID=f39-python&order=-build_id&inherited=0 


Please avoid any potentially disturbing or major changes in Python packages 
until the rebuild is over.


Thanks. Let us know if you have any questions.


The following packages were built in rawhide after they were built in out 
Python 3.12 side tag (f39-python):


...
python-cerberus


I believe this also wasn't built after 3.12 rebuild, but the rawhide version is 
0-1.3.4-1.fc38, which is > 0-1.3.2-3.fc39.


The dist-git history goes:

1.3.1 -> 1.3.2 -> 1.3.4 -> 1.3.3 -> 1.3.2

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-cerberus/commits/rawhide

Not sure how to fix this properly without stepping on the maintainers' toes.


Please, don't do that.

I will now rebuild them in the side tag again.



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Re: LibreOffice packages

[Dan Horák]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:40:39 +0200
Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 01. 06. 23 22:16, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
> > I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep 
> > the lights on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Could you please prioritize making it build? The LibreOffice package fails to 
> build in rawhide for months. It's now blocking the Python 3.12 rebuild:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2215352
> 
> This is not directed only at Gwyn, but all the other folks who offered help.

for the record, the build failure is caused by a failing test, but it
doesn't show if it's the only problem there

...
Test name: DesktopLOKTest::testSignDocument_PEM_PDF
assertion failed
- Expression: bResult
Failures !!!

I believe we need a shared document to track who is doing what and
generally coordinate the actions.


Dan
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